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[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't know if you have heard, but probably you did, the Motherfu*ker that planned the terrorist attack died - hopefully and very probably - in quite the nasty way.
 
I'd say good riddance and, of course, may he rot in hell. 

Hell shall hold a feast of him being the feast itself.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Hell shall hold a feast of him being the feast itself.

With any luck many more will join the banquet.

[sushi.]

Its not only from that site, its just the first one i had up also, i feel that i should add that just because its "ultra conservative." does not make the information false. 

But since its not good enough https://www.washingt...22c2_story.html

http://www.telegraph...now-so-far.html

You know whats more dangerous then feeding into " fear and resentment." not recognizing there is a real, clear and present danger because you don't want to seem "Intolerant."

 

Travelling through Greece doesn't make him a Syrian refugee, and the false passport was just a cheap trick that had the opposite effect. I don't see what you're getting at here. Posing as a refugee is not a good strategy, and there are a lot more efficient and simpler ways to get into a country than that.  I was about to explain thoroughly, but I don't need to because I just found this video on fb. Noor Tagouri took the words out of my mouth, she's great and you should all follow her.

 

You know what's more dangerous than looking out for danger?, looking in the wrong place, fearing the wrong people. None of the Paris terrorists were refugees. They were people who had lived their whole lives in Belgium/France, and as they grew up they started getting into ISIS. As time went by, some of them tried to get into Syrian borders to fight with them, but were stopped by their governments. They didn't grow up in Syria and immigrated to Europe, it was sort of the other way around. That is a lot more scary to me. Terrorists not hiding among refugess, but among good citizens. Or even, they were good citizens that turned on humanity. There is another one right now(a Swedish man), suspected for being another member. His name is Mutar Muthanna Majid and he was just apprehended by the police.

 

The commander of the attack is believed to have been very active in IS's operations and close to their leader. France managed to capture/kill almost all of the terrorists behind this, I gotta say well done. People who wanted the commander to die painfully can sleep on the fact that his body was found covered in bullet holes, and that 8 others were captured.

Edited by sushi., 19 November 2015 - 09:47 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Travelling through Greece doesn't make him a Syrian refugee, and the false passport was just a cheap trick that had the opposite effect. I don't see what you're getting at here. Posing as a refugee is not a good strategy, and there are a lot more efficient and simpler ways to get into a country than that.  I was about to explain thoroughly, but I don't need to because I just found this video on fb. Noor Tagouri took the words out of my mouth, she's great and you should all follow her.

 

You know what's more dangerous than looking out for danger?, looking in the wrong place, fearing the wrong people. None of the Paris terrorists were refugees. They were people who had lived their whole lives in Belgium/France, and as they grew up they started getting into ISIS. As time went by, some of them tried to get into Syrian borders to fight with them, but were stopped by their governments. They didn't grow up in Syria and immigrated to Europe, it was sort of the other way around. That is a lot more scary to me. Terrorists not hiding among refugess, but among good citizens. Or even, they were good citizens that turned on humanity. There is another one right now(a Swedish man), suspected for being another member. His name is Mutar Muthanna Majid and he was just apprehended by the police.

 

The commander of the attack is believed to have been very active in IS's operations and close to their leader. France managed to capture/kill almost all of the terrorists behind this, I gotta say well done. People who wanted the commander to die painfully can sleep on the fact that his body was found covered in bullet holes, and that 8 others were captured.

He came in on a wave of other Refugees through Greece using them as a cover. because its far easier for a person of questionable nature to slip in using a large crowd to go unseen, and unchecked. That is the entire point that I'm making. Again, one of them-possibly a second were not raised in France or Belgium. 

"Ahmad Al Mohammad died in a suicide bomb at the Stade de France. A Syrian passport bearing his name was found at the scene.

The 25-year-old was born in Idlib, a city in north-west Syria, and the Paris prosecutor's office said fingerprints from the attacker match those of a person who traveled through Greece last month."

"It’s a question being asked after French prosecutors confirmed Monday that the fingerprints of one of the Paris suicide bombers matched those of a man who passed through Greece last month. That was the clearest sign yet that one of the attackers blended in among the hundreds of thousands of refugees and migrants who have arrived in Europe this year."

Is this enough, or should I copy and paste some more to disprove that notion that he wasn't a "refugee"?   and I quote that because he was not in fact a Refugee, he only claimed to be one. If he could do it, how many more have or will? because once they are in they might as well become ghosts.


I'm not saying there are not people who need help, I am saying the way that countries are allowing this to go about is IRRESPONSIBLE and dangerous. I'm saying that the Refugees coming in the number and and ways that they are arriving is also dangerous for an untold number of reasons and the possibility of an insurgent group of terrorists is just ONE. 









 

 

[sushi.]

Look, even if you are right about that one person, it isn't enough for such drastic methods. You will need a statistic/pattern or at least some other incidents which points to terrorists among refugees. Right now you are using your fear and clinging to the one example you have to turn our back on the people who needs us the most.

 

I can of course not guarantee that 0.00000% of ISIS members are doing what you're afraid of, but the chances are so small that you have to look at where the danger flocks together. Maybe we could've stopped 9/10 terrorists? But let's say that we'd closed our borders and stopped 1/10 people from coming in, all the others came from the same place and yet you are focusing on what may be the one exception.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Its not "if you are right." Its I was right...but that's ok.

Soo saving upwards if 1000 lives--possibly more in the future if there are in fact more terrorists hiding under the guise of refuugees is to much to ask of a country whose main duty and purpose is to protect THEIR own citizens?
I see.

You know what those people need the most? To stay in their own country instead of making a perilous trip to a place that is not equipped to handle their numbers at such a fast pace.


What Syrians need is a Syrian safe zone in Syria, but if countries are to busy worrying for their own safety, their own security while struggling to handle the influx and failing to vet them properly, that (much better) alternative becomes further waylaid.

You can call me fearful, but better to be cautious then naive.

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 20 November 2015 - 12:58 AM.

[Hanabi]

Its not "if you are right." Its I was right...but that's ok.

Soo saving upwards if 1000 lives--possibly more in the future if there are in fact more terrorists hiding under the guise of refuugees is to much to ask of a country whose main duty and purpose is to protect THEIR own citizens?
I see.

You know what those people need the most? To stay in their own country instead of making a perilous trip to a place that is not equipped to handle their numbers at such a fast pace.


What Syrians need is a Syrian safe zone in Syrian, but if countries are to busy worrying for their own safety, their own security while struggling to handle the influx and failing to vet them properly, that (much better) alternative becomes further waylaid.

You can call me fearful, but better to be cautious then naive.

i feel the same way.. at the very least, able bodied adults should fight for their country. dragging down other countries' citizens may lead to a bigger war

Edited by Hanabi, 20 November 2015 - 12:38 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

i feel the same way.. at the very least, able bodied adults should fight for their country. dragging down other countries' citizens may lead to a bigger war

...the fact that most of the migrants are young men of fighting age, leaving behind defenceless women and children Is probably one of the worst things in all this.

Syria needs a safe zone for the betterment of everyone.

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 20 November 2015 - 12:57 AM.

[sushi.]

...the fact that most of the migrants are young men of fighting age, leaving behind defenceless women and children Is probably one of the worst things in all this.
Syria needs a safe zone for the betterment of everyone.

I'm confused. You're proposing an alternative that is practically impossible. That's common knowledge. IS rules vurnerable countries in the middle east, we can't just go down and save the world in the final battle like Naruto does.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

I'm confused. You're proposing an alternative that is practically impossible. That's common knowledge. IS rules vurnerable countries in the middle east, we can't just go down and save the world in the final battle like Naruto does.

I really have to question how informed about all this you are because no its not impossible.

In fact it's already in the works

You are more then welcome to do your own research on the matter

http://www.theguardi...urd-uk-military

Will it completely end the refuugees exodus? Probably not but it will sure help and it's better then what's going on now.

[Hanabi]

 

...the fact that most of the migrants are young men of fighting age, leaving behind defenceless women and children Is probably one of the worst things in all this.

Syria needs a safe zone for the betterment of everyone.

some are making a step ahead to look for a better home for their families back there, and others.. i imagine many lost their families too.

 

escaping is something that i frankly can't blame them for, as most of us are raised in peaceful states and never even dreamt of fighting in a war..

 

but.. they are ultimately the ones who can save themselves and their homeland. outside interventions can only do so far to stop the fighting, (look at france forces bombing a syrian nursery, which will breed more france / western haters) there's many other problems like internal politics and whatnot.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

At the end of the day no matter what they do or don't do someone is going to take issue with it. " Oh you took out a whole bunker of ISIS and killed 2 civilians by accident?! No more airstrikes!"

It's pretty much the entire story of modern war....

The middle east desperately needs intervention and boots on the ground, but that's not going to happen from the u.s under this administration. They're still dancing around the proposed Syrian safe zone, going one step forward and 2 back.

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 20 November 2015 - 01:41 AM.

[sushi.]

I really have to question how informed about all this you are because no its not impossible.
In fact it's already in the works
You are more then welcome to do your own research on the matter http://www.theguardi...urd-uk-military
Will it completely end the refuugees exodus? Probably not but it will sure help and it's better then what's going on now.

Stop questioning my knowledge when you talk about two different things. Safe Syria is not the same as safe areas. Do not drag them in when you were looking to send them all back. Because I never said there aren't any safe areas, but they are small and not enough for the rest if they are to be sent back. Do you know how many refugees there are? Can you not do your research on if there is room for 2million extra people in those areas? I thought that much was obvious. You're grasping at straws. If you want to expand safe zones you have to at least weaken IS enough for millions to roam free. Don't forget the bombs western governments drop on them. That has not happened yet, thus your alternative is as of right now impossible. Someday I hope they may be able to return, but not now. Did you honestly not understand what I said or are you just looking for a fight?

Edited by sushi., 20 November 2015 - 02:03 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Stop questioning my knowledge when you talk about two different things. I never said there aren't any safe areas, butthey are small and not enough for the rest if they are to be sent back. Do you know how many refugees there are? Can you not do your research on if there is room for 2million extra people in those areas? I thought that much was obvious. You're grasping at straws. If you want to expand safe zones you have to at least weaken IS enough for millions to roam free. Don't forget the bombs western governments drop on them. That has not happened yet, thus your alternative is as of right now impossible. Someday I hope they may be able to return, but not now. Did you honestly not understand what I said or are you just looking for a fight?

I think the only one looking for a fight here is you given your explosion at me questioning how much news you've read.

The proposed area is surrounded by 5 u.s air bases, with Turkey directly on the otherside and 2 turkish military bases behind it. It's extremely well protected.

I very clearly said it would not stop everything, but that it was an important stepand should take precidence but cannot because Europe is in utter chaos.

Its as equally a dumb idea to expect Europe to handle everything to their detriment like you seem to favor.

Talking about 2 different things? No I really haven't.

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 20 November 2015 - 02:00 AM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

The french have been hit a second time 

http://www.breitbart...son-hotel-mali/

10 shooters. 

[Ryriena]

He came in on a wave of other Refugees through Greece using them as a cover. because its far easier for a person of questionable nature to slip in using a large crowd to go unseen, and unchecked. That is the entire point that I'm making. Again, one of them-possibly a second were not raised in France or Belgium. 

"Ahmad Al Mohammad died in a suicide bomb at the Stade de France. A Syrian passport bearing his name was found at the scene.
The 25-year-old was born in Idlib, a city in north-west Syria, and the Paris prosecutor's office said fingerprints from the attacker match those of a person who traveled through Greece last month."

"Its a question being asked after French prosecutors confirmed Monday that the fingerprints of one of the Paris suicide bombers matched those of a man who passed through Greece last month. That was the clearest sign yet that one of the attackers blended in among the hundreds of thousands of refugees and migrants who have arrived in Europe this year."

Is this enough, or should I copy and paste some more to disprove that notion that he wasn't a "refugee"?   and I quote that because he was not in fact a Refugee, he only claimed to be one. If he could do it, how many more have or will? because once they are in they might as well become ghosts.


I'm not saying there are not people who need help, I am saying the way that countries are allowing this to go about is IRRESPONSIBLE and dangerous. I'm saying that the Refugees coming in the number and and ways that they are arriving is also dangerous for an untold number of reasons and the possibility of an insurgent group of terrorists is just ONE. 









 




 

Look it was a stolen passport they had planted this is a fact. http://www.ibtimes.c...ugees-2191677'> http://www.ibtimes.c...efugees-2191677 In fact this person was a national of Europe not Syria for your information he visited said area yes he did, but was not a nationalized citizen of Syria herself.

By all means lock the borders down from Syrian refugees by the wars our governments started with their tendencies to over throw elected officials and to throw a dictor in their place because you know they aren't that friendly to the west.

The bogeyman the right is thrown us is Syria Nationals and refugees, when none of them were from Syria in the first place. They have proof that it might have been a stolen passport planted by ISIL to spread hatred of the refugees so they have more of a free regin to slaughter them and radicalize them.

Edited by Ryriena, 20 November 2015 - 01:33 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Okay, lets look at some more sources, shall we? 

Posted today

http://www.irishtime...-raid-1.2437848

"Members of the terrorist cell which carried out the attacks took advantage of the refugee crisis to “slip in” to France, according to the country’s prime minister.

Manuel Valls said the EU’s passport-free zone — under the Schengen agreement — would be “undermined” if Europe did not tighten security at its external borders."

http://www.telegraph...Paris-live.html

"There are key security concerns after the revelation that Abaaoud entered Europe as a 'refugee'. The French interior minister was unaware Abaaoud had entered the country despite his being one of the world's most wanted terrorists. EU interior ministers will today move to tighten the continent's borders to ensure that every single migrant is checked against a terrorism watchlist"

The date for your source is yesterday, the date for my two, are today. 


Oh and a 3rd; 

From 12 hours ago.  http://www.telegraph...ir-fingers.html


The passport being forged or not does not negate the fact that they used "refugee" Status as a cover and no one caught them until it was to late. 

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 20 November 2015 - 01:27 PM.

[Ryriena]

Again did you read the article?

Ismaël Omar Mostefaï, 29 - French

Samy Amimour, 28 - French

Ibrahim Abdeslam, 31 - French (living in Belgium)

Salah Abdeslam, 26 - French (living in Belgium)

Hamza Attou, 21 - Belgian

Mohamed Amri, 27 - Belgian (born in Morocco)

*Eighth suspect (unidentified) carrying stolen passport in name of 'Ahmad al-Mohammad', 25 - from Idlib, Syria

The alleged mastermind is Abdelhamid Abaaoud, 27, from Belgium


None of them were refugees none hell the authorities even confirmed this as a fact and non were from Syria but the facts aren't on your side Tskiu.

http://www.independe...s-a6735476.html

Edited by Ryriena, 20 November 2015 - 01:45 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Again did you read the article?

Ismaël Omar Mostefaï, 29 - French

Samy Amimour, 28 - French

Ibrahim Abdeslam, 31 - French (living in Belgium)

Salah Abdeslam, 26 - French (living in Belgium)

Hamza Attou, 21 - Belgian

Mohamed Amri, 27 - Belgian (born in Morocco)

*Eighth suspect (unidentified) carrying stolen passport in name of 'Ahmad al-Mohammad', 25 - from Idlib, Syria

The alleged mastermind is Abdelhamid Abaaoud, 27, from Belgium


None of them were refugees none hell the authorities even confirmed this as a fact and non were from Syria but the facts aren't on your side Tskiu.

I read all three, I have to question if you did though. But its cool.

In any-case its disturbing how easy it is to steal/forge a passport. 

They seem to have a hardcore vendetta against France since they've hit their stuff a second time. 

 

[Ryriena]

I read all three, I have to question if you did though. But its cool.

In any-case its disturbing how easy it is to steal/forge a passport. 

They seem to have a hardcore vendetta against France since they've hit their stuff a second time. 


 

I did in fact read all three it is, in fact, you that needs to stop questioning people's knowledge because they might disagree with your opinion on the matter. None of them even entered under refugee status and the one that they suspected came with another person assumed to be his brother and could be a stolen or planted passport. Like the passport, found after the 9/11 attacks in perfect condition at least the French actually think that this could be a planted item. http://www.theguardi...eptember11.iraq