Is it now? That's nice. Of COURSE there aren't extremist feminists. And of course I haven't met any! I'm sure PETA doesn't have any extremists either. Hell, I wasn't even talking about the characters in general, whom I'd agree are strong female characters. But thanks for the laugh. I needed it.
There's a difference between not tolerating a mans crap and being as sexist as the men railed against. And yes, there are women who fall under the latter. But hey, thanks for judging me and thanks for playing.
Sigh. I've been a feminist for all those years and I've never, ever met a so called "man hating extremist feminist" and I've known all types of feminists. (from conservative feminists who have beliefs like Sarah Palin to radical feminists who have beliefs like Andrea Dworkin) It's called the "straw feminist argument" used by it's misogynists of all political stripes and yes, both genders too. Give me names of these so called men hating extremist feminists.... I'm betting you'll replay the typical "these women I knew" straw women story... Oh or repeat the usual misogynist lies about Andrea Dworkin- sorry but those so called statements, she never made them- read her books and see what she actually said- and another shocker for you- she lived with a man for her last 25 years, and they were quite close companions, no one was closer to her than her male companion.
I'll give you another piece of truth, those women that fawn all over men actually have more negative attitudes about men than the so called "man hating extremist feminists" do. The fawning women are taught to believe men are big babies, easy to fool if you put out enough. Feminist women see men as no different from women, they just want men to treat them with the same respect as they do other men and not treat women as sex toys but equal human beings. Feminist women know that image of men as big babies cripples any chance for equality almost as much as the way men are taught to treat women.
The fact you made that first misogynist comment warned me, and the fact you reacted exactly the way every other person who ever made that comment does- you went off and threw out another straw feminist attack depresses me. I gave you the opening a person that wasn't sexist would have leaped at- calmly pointed out that this straw feminist image is not reality, the reality is these women you are now calling men hating extremists are not like what our misogynist culture makes you believe, but like the strong women in Naruto. I can see all the strong feminist women who have been in my life reflected pretty realistically personality wise in the strong women in Naruto. I'm more than a bit like those women too...
You didn't really listen when a woman spoke to you- something Kishimoto told you men should do via Chiyo. A man that really believes in women's equality would have listened, apologized for the comment, thought about it seriously and decided to stop viewing so called "men hating extremist feminist" women as the straw feminist image he's been taught all his life (just as a person learning not to be racist will drop the racist straw images they've been taught to believe is reality and listen to what people of other races actually say.) and listen to what those women have to say. Treat a feminist woman with the same respect you would another man and you'll find a woman who's going to dialogue with you. Yes, she'll point out the sexist things you do and say- because she believes you are just as able to throw off our culture's sexism as any woman is. The women who fawn over you will "nag" you to do things but actually not believe you are capable of being anything but a big baby.
Now, the question is will you continue the straw feminist game or will you tell me you'll think about what I said and try an experiment of looking at any woman that you've judged as "man hating extremist feminist" not as that straw feminist image but as if they were Sakura, Tsunade, Chiyo, Temari, etc... listen to what they say the same as you would reading the dialogue of Kishimoto's characters.
I honestly wish guys in the Naruto fandom would do that. Kishimoto lays out some great stuff about the reality that could be of gender relationships if guys would look at women the way the heroic male characters in Naruto do, heck even Jiraiya is better than some guys in Naruto fandom. Jiraiya was a perv but he learned to listen to what women said to him seriously and have some respect for women once he grew out of his early teens. In part 2 of the manga Shikamaru stopped making negative comments about girls and women and clearly actually respects and listens to Sakura, Tsunade, Ino, etc... He and Temari play a flirting game, but that's all it is. He says something mildly sexist then she mocks him and he concedes the battle, both with faint smiles on their faces.
Dream you dream alone is only a dream, but dream we dream together is reality- Yoko Ono 1971
When you go to war, both sides lose totally- Yoko Ono
Remember, our hearts are one. Even when we are at war with each other, our hearts are always beating in unison- Yoko Ono 2009