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QUOTE (catsi563 @ May 5 2010, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
yes I am a SasuKarin fan, but that doesnt mean I cant objectively look at the manga and take it at face value. The arguments for SasuKarin are as compelling and in some cases more compelling then are own NaruSaku.
theres a deeper connection between them that shows through in the actions they take towards each other. it was only after Sasuke stepped along the darker path he did that his fate came into question.
the one thing though to keep in mind is this. Karin ""so some of her haters claim"" is a ""so called"" minor character below even hinata in that regard. So i ask this, why if shes so minor didnt she die at Sasukes hands? why did she get the entire flahsback to the bear sequence? why was she taken back healthy and fine to Konoha?
Its because she has a purpose left in this manga, her story and the conenction she has with Sasuke is far from done. She was used to showcase how far and hard Sasuke had fallen, and she will show up again at a dramatically appropriate moment in Sasukes redemption as well.
theres a deeper connection between them that shows through in the actions they take towards each other. it was only after Sasuke stepped along the darker path he did that his fate came into question.
the one thing though to keep in mind is this. Karin ""so some of her haters claim"" is a ""so called"" minor character below even hinata in that regard. So i ask this, why if shes so minor didnt she die at Sasukes hands? why did she get the entire flahsback to the bear sequence? why was she taken back healthy and fine to Konoha?
Its because she has a purpose left in this manga, her story and the conenction she has with Sasuke is far from done. She was used to showcase how far and hard Sasuke had fallen, and she will show up again at a dramatically appropriate moment in Sasukes redemption as well.
It's hard for me to think that arguments for the two main characters, Naruto and Sakura, who have an entire manga series of development are not as compelling as the introduction of a fangirl late into the story, who happened to have developed 'love' rather than idolization, for all the wrong reasons. To be honest, arguments against SasuSaku work very well against SasuKarin as well, and if you're seriously looking at both pairings, not in favour of either, you can tell SasuSaku and SasuKarin are incredibly similar.
NaruSaku fans like to say that the reason why Sakura fell in love with Sasuke is because of the bench scene--she got the wrong image of Sasuke through Naruto's illusion. Catsi, you place a huge amount of faith in this one bench scene.
Karin's flashback shows that her one prominent memory is Sasuke saving her from a bear. She sees him as her hero. This baffles me sort of, because since then he's been acting anything but that persona since she was introduced. He doesn't smile, he's driven by revenge, and she always found him to be 'cool' and liked that bad side of his.
The differences in treatment is that it is assumed that through Sakura's experiences with Sasuke, her sole reason for loving Sasuke is because she thought him to be something he wasn't, and not because as a teammate she got to spend time with him and her crush grew to care. With Karin the bear scene is supposedly her seeing into Sasuke's true nature deep down, and despite showing a lot of "fangirl" type infatuation early into her introduction, she somehow has a greater insight into Sasuke than Sakura did. I feel Sakura had more of a reason to love him than Karin did, and the fact she was surprised that he would backstab her and that her motivation was that he 'saved' her, is sort of hard for me to really believe.
What applies to one should apply to the other. Now on Sasuke's side... Why would he like her more than Sakura? Depsite our dislike of SasuSaku, to deny that he considered her important is just being biased. SasuSaku had their scenes, certainly, and SasuKarin had a few as well. However, from what I see the love is very one-sided. Sasuke is not going to so easily fall in love when he has so many issues to deal with. If he can't even embrace Naruto, why do we as shippers have this need to insist that no, it's different for Sakura or Karin? It's very popular female fantasy--a woman will save her man from the darkness; change him to be better. Karin and Sakura both tried to reach Sasuke in different ways, and both ended up getting hurt. I really, really liked the way they connected together. They are hurting from their feelings. Karin even decided that she was done with Sasuke, and Sakura has decided she is putting her faith in Naruto to deal with Sasuke.
From my perspective, if SasuKarin has possibility than so does SasuSaku. It was what really bugged me early on when a lot of NaruSaku shippes jumped to a SasuKarin bandwagon. I don't like SasuSaku because I feel as a character Sasuke is going through too much to develop a realistic pairing. He for the majority of the time doesn't acknowledge the people that care about him, and quite frankly I find Sasuke's relationship (non romantic) with Naruto far more interesting to look into than what fangirl he's going to get with. He's a character that shouldn't be with anybody, not until he sorts himself out and that could take years. I respect Karin more if she lets him go. Her character since the introduction has been hugely Sasuke-centric, that it felt like that's all there was to her character. When she steps away from Sasuke, she actually has something to her. I'm rooting for both girls to move on. Karin doesn't need a pairing, Sasuke shouldn't have a pairing, and obviously I think Naruto and Sakura should get together.
