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[Chatte]

Nah, Senju clan was always mentioned as very strong, overall... it indeed makes you think how they got extinguished...

[redragon88]

Nah, Senju clan was always mentioned as very strong, overall... it indeed makes you think how they got extinguished...

Or they could still be alive but not mentioned often.

I know the Senju clan was strong in the old era, but that reputation could clearly come to be thanks to select strong individuals like Hashirama and Tobirama. After they passed their level of power representation could potentially be diminished.

Let's say that the Uchiha clan was still alive, they would be considered a very powerful clan, right? Let's say that suddenly all of the members capable of using the sharingan died. Their reputation and overall power would surely go down, right? I'm sure that not all the Uchiha were able to awaken the sharingan.

[HauntedCake]

You missed the point of my post, i knew it was mistranslation even if she thought or not about killing Karin she wasnt capable of killing for Sasuke as she said on her confession on part 1, i think Sasuke asked her to kill Karin not just a proof of loyalty but also for Ksihimoto to prove the readers that her feelings for Sasuke wasnt the same.

That's a good point, if it were part 1 sakura and sasuke asked her to kill a random girl she would of probably done it.

[narusakurama]

That's a good point, if it were part 1 sakura and sasuke asked her to kill a random girl she would of probably done it.

I really do not think so . During her confession she would have said anything to get Sasuke to stay , but from saying to actually doing is a long way . I really do not think that even part 1 Sakura would actually have killed any1 for Sasuke .

[catsi563]

Actually no she wouldnt have. You drastically underestimate her character if you think that. Sakura was always compassionate and stronger then people gave her credit for. She would have recoiled from such a suggestion and would have most likely broken from Sasuke or run from him. She was a fan girl but not some brainwashed puppet, she showed clear concern throughout the earlier chapters for others, especially for Naruto the one she claimed to ""hate"".

On the chapter its going along the lines i thought it might be.

The development of Hashirama and Madaras friendship was solid especially as long as they didnt know their names, as long as the titles of clans and such werent put on them they could be friends. But like Sasuke who allowed the name of his clan and its honor to influence him to vengance for its loss and percieved persecution Madara made the same choice.

Hashirama chose to put aside clan and name in order to make peace, just as Naruto has done embracing Sasuke not as an uchiha but as a friend.

It looks like the final abttle will be Sasuke and Naruto full power for the right to see whose philosophy holds true. The notion of of the cycle of hatred and vengance or the notion of peace and brotherhood.

[HauntedCake]

I really do not think so . During her confession she would have said anything to get Sasuke to stay , but from saying to actually doing is a long way . I really do not think that even part 1 Sakura would actually have killed any1 for Sasuke .

Hmm, she did say whe would do ANYTHING..... but i guess killing someone is a bit drastic.

I don't ever underestimate her current character but i do have tendencies to look down apun her part 1 character a lot.

[merryGOflava]

Hmm, she did say whe would do ANYTHING..... but i guess killing someone is a bit drastic.

I don't ever underestimate her current character but i do have tendencies to look down apun her part 1 character a lot.

everyone uses that line to get someone to listen to them XD

she would never kill anyone innocent for sasuke ever. period.
not part 1 and totally not part 2.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Sakura is pure heart, so killing is too far and she acknowledge vengeance is never good. At best, if she did go with Sasuke, she will suffer a lot more because his journey is dark and nothing but killing intent (well at least during Kage Summit Arc). You can say his rejection is the blessing in disguise.

[sushi.]

Or they could still be alive but not mentioned often.

I know the Senju clan was strong in the old era, but that reputation could clearly come to be thanks to select strong individuals like Hashirama and Tobirama. After they passed their level of power representation could potentially be diminished.

Let's say that the Uchiha clan was still alive, they would be considered a very powerful clan, right? Let's say that suddenly all of the members capable of using the sharingan died. Their reputation and overall power would surely go down, right? I'm sure that not all the Uchiha were able to awaken the sharingan.

I think it's obvious that the Senju is an overall powerful clan.

First of all, Senju DNA is everyone's favourite candy nowadays. They're direct descendants of Rikudo. And it is said that most Uchihas were elites, and they were Konoha's most powerful clan before the massacre. The Senju were stronger. That means that somehow, they got wiped out. Unless it's another ploothooole, wouldn't be surprised XDD

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think it's obvious that the Senju is an overall powerful clan.

First of all, Senju DNA is everyone's favourite candy nowadays. They're direct descendants of Rikudo. And it is said that most Uchihas were elites, and they were Konoha's most powerful clan before the massacre. The Senju were stronger. That means that somehow, they got wiped out. Unless it's another ploothooole, wouldn't be surprised XDD

Best to wait after the flashback ends. When Hashirama reaches to the point where he dies, perhaps Tobirama will fill some other events like the downfall of Senju, assuming he lasted long enough to see them disappear.

[harry4e]

I think it's obvious that the Senju is an overall powerful clan.

First of all, Senju DNA is everyone's favourite candy nowadays. They're direct descendants of Rikudo. And it is said that most Uchihas were elites, and they were Konoha's most powerful clan before the massacre. The Senju were stronger. That means that somehow, they got wiped out. Unless it's another ploothooole, wouldn't be surprised XDD

They are all working minimum wage jobs to pay off the Huge debt Tsunade built up during her decade or two long gambling trip....lol They have to be extinct, if they are still around then Kishi deserves a good slap for treating the other clan in this centuries old fued as insignicant. 'The will of Fire burns strongly in you Naruto, and also in those few hundred Senju clan members who we failed to mention up until now'..lol

Actually talking of Will of Fire, I wonder if Hirashima coined that phrase because of Madara who is from the clan known for their Fire jutsu, and his dream of uniting the country....It's always been amusing how the land of fire is the only country that doesn't have many ninja's specialising in the element their land is fmous for (well they didn't until that entire platoon of Saratobi clan members popped up recently.)

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

So is Madara meant to be Sasuke or Itachi? He gave up his dream to protect his brother like Itachi, but became jaded because of his brothers death like Sasuke, so I guess he's a bit of both. Part of me wonders though if he did what he did because of his own guilt? If he'd been the older brother and listened to Hashirama instead of lettin his brothers mistrust dictate the continuation of the fued between the two clans. I also wonder by getting his brothers eyes he also gained his younger brother hatred for the Senju.

I do have to wonder once again, how did the Senju die out? It seems that they were the stronger of the two clans here, yet we have no idea how they disapeared, and I have a feeling Kishi won't tell us because he only really cares to tell us the Uchiha's history.

Sasuke because he was a kid that "my brother died my life makes no sense anymore".

[merryGOflava]

Tobirama: okay! let's kill him and end this! >:U

Hashirama: no.

Tobirama: what-? but!

Hashirama: I said NO. *death stare*......okay Madara...what do I gotta do to get you to trust us again?

Madara: ....eeh...kill your brother...or yourself...then we're cool~

Hashirama:......on second thought.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Tobirama: okay! let's kill him and end this! >:U

Hashirama: no.

Tobirama: what-? but!

Hashirama: I said NO. *death stare*......okay Madara...what do I gotta do to get you to trust us again?

Madara: ....eeh...kill your brother...or yourself...then we're cool~

Hashirama:......on second thought.

Lol.

You know, it's sad because it seems like Hashirama is to be blamed for not saving Uchiha name as well as causing Madara to plan the ultimate plan for the future. It all could have prevented if he just kill him there. It reminds me on how Hiruzen could have prevent a lot of moments concerning Orochimaru.

[narusakurama]

Lol.

You know, it's sad because it seems like Hashirama is to be blamed for not saving Uchiha name as well as causing Madara to plan the ultimate plan for the future. It all could have prevented if he just kill him there. It reminds me on how Hiruzen could have prevent a lot of moments concerning Orochimaru.

Just another thing that Naruto has in common with Hashirama , both will give anyone a second chance to redemption

[redragon88]

I think it's obvious that the Senju is an overall powerful clan.

First of all, Senju DNA is everyone's favourite candy nowadays. They're direct descendants of Rikudo. And it is said that most Uchihas were elites, and they were Konoha's most powerful clan before the massacre. The Senju were stronger. That means that somehow, they got wiped out. Unless it's another ploothooole, wouldn't be surprised XDD

I'm not going to interfere with that term but in actuality it's Hashirama DNA. I think people adopted the term Senju DNA because is had a better flow but in the end this is exclusive about Hashirama, not the entire Senju clan. I'll still call it Senju DNA though, I got used to it.

I'm not denying the overall strength of the Senju was huge back in the past but I still think Hashirama was a significant factor in their eventual superiority. Before Hashirama became the head of the Senju they always remained equal to the Uchiha. It was only after Hashirama's rise that the Uchiha started to loose their previous momentum and slowly became inferior.

I think the Uchiha were considered elite as a whole, not that most individuals were elite. And such eliteness came from the select members that were able to use the sharingan.

[Don-kun]

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Madara is a kittening idiot for discarding his friendship with Hashirama just because members of his clan killed his brothers. Madara ain't as special as his fragile ego makes him out to be. Itami Senju (who was a child at the time) was ganged up on by FULLY GROWN ADULT UCHIHAS! Sure Hashi was sad about it (and rightfully so), you don't see him advocating the utter annihilation of the Uchiha for that alone. Though to be fair, he probably had the luxury of not knowing the identities of the culprits, but then again we don't know how Madara knows that Senjus killed his brothers that died before Izuna unless he actually saw it before his eyes or said Senjus left behind evidence that they killed them. The same could be said that Hashirama might've known that the Uchiha killed Itama if he was heading towards a Senju-Uchiha battlefield. But at least Hashirama is actually trying to make amends with the Uchiha and actually work towards peace. Though that itself is a stupid idea considering how the Uchiha are pretty much the Clan of Butthurt, but at least Hashirama is actually TRYING to do something! But Madara is just acting like a spoiled brat because "waaaahhhdedbros!" and now he wants Hashi to kill his bro so he can get even. This is just another example of the revenge before reason tendencies that the Uchiha display and is exactly why Naruto should not waste his time trying to save Sasuke from his violent psychological urge to go amorally apekitten whenever things don't go his way and he loses something precious but instead off that pathetic pile of evil death worshiping garbage. But that's probably not going to happen because Kishi is so hellbent on preaching that you shouldn't toss away bonds and forgive people despite the fact that Sasuke is not only a poorly written brooding pretty boy type character that only appeals to bratty teenage girls who have various parental issues that are typical of a living stereotype of teenage girls,but is also a scumbag to the fullest degree. He's an international criminal in this fictional world that should rightfully make the Uchiha bastard accountable for his actions yet Kishi expects us to pity him and see him as a victim of the Ninja System because Naruto was dumb enough to even think of a psychopath like Sasuke as his first real friend in a time when the village pretty much ousted him as a pariah. The only thing likable about Sasuke in my honest opinion is his arsenal of jutsu, that's about it. Everthing else about the character is just not pleasant.



Well, that wraps up my rant on this subject.

Agree with everything you said here.


About the chapter, the only thing I can say is that the pace was fast and entertaining sadly the Uchiha crap is annoying.

[narulsaku]

so how do you guys know that every uchiha cant use sharinagn? those who werent uchiha they cant use it,, but who are born uchiha the can . cant they. the only thing matters when the become ready to use and the level they start.

[Jake]

so how do you guys know that every uchiha cant use sharinagn? those who werent uchiha they cant use it,, but who are born uchiha the can . cant they. the only thing matters when the become ready to use and the level they start.

I'm pretty sure its because back during the Wave arc when Kakashi reviled his Sharingan, Sasuke said that the Shaingan was something that awakened in only a few members of the Uchiha clan.

[StriderC]

That's a good point, if it were part 1 sakura and sasuke asked her to kill a random girl she would of probably done it.

I seriously doubt this. Just because she was a little crazed over Sasuke doesn't necessarily mean she would of killed some random person for him back then. She's never been like that at all. I don't even know why people think she would. Her confession didn't even hint at this nor did her actions back then either. It just meant she would defect from Konoha with him. That's about it.

Actually no she wouldnt have. You drastically underestimate her character if you think that. Sakura was always compassionate and stronger then people gave her credit for. She would have recoiled from such a suggestion and would have most likely broken from Sasuke or run from him. She was a fan girl but not some brainwashed puppet, she showed clear concern throughout the earlier chapters for others, especially for Naruto the one she claimed to ""hate"".

On the chapter its going along the lines i thought it might be.

The development of Hashirama and Madaras friendship was solid especially as long as they didnt know their names, as long as the titles of clans and such werent put on them they could be friends. But like Sasuke who allowed the name of his clan and its honor to influence him to vengance for its loss and percieved persecution Madara made the same choice.

Hashirama chose to put aside clan and name in order to make peace, just as Naruto has done embracing Sasuke not as an uchiha but as a friend.

It looks like the final abttle will be Sasuke and Naruto full power for the right to see whose philosophy holds true. The notion of of the cycle of hatred and vengance or the notion of peace and brotherhood.

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS! I couldn't of said it better myself. I really don't understand where "she'd kill for Sasuke in Part 1" came from anyway. Nothing she does in Part 1 even suggests this at all. You nailed her character perfectly with your post though. Nice!

Edited by StriderC, 20 March 2013 - 03:55 AM.