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[merryGOflava]

Most likely, yeah. But even if it's not, Tobi will have my love, whoever he is. I just hope that Kishi doesn't waste Tobi's potential like he did Kabuto's.

But if it IS obito...why is he doing this?? does he regret stuff?? .....arrrrrg I'm confused!!! ....I'm starting to wonder if kishi even knows...

[Toasty Warrior]

Finally a chapter worth getting excited over and I'm glad to see Kurama is playing nice and helping out Naruto instead of trying to overtake him. I'll be looking forward to next week's chapter when Tobi finally decides to fight, this should be good!

[TerrorKing]

Yeah, Obito is a pretty likely candidate. Right now I'm just trying to come up with a good explanation for why? However, the only thing I can come up with is just that he want's to "unite" the world in peace because he saw how war ruins lives or something.

Or maybe he's just want's his eye back from Kakashi, who knows really. All I know is that, for the first time in a really really long time, I'm super excited about Naruto again.

[pharix]

if it is obito how did he look the size of an adult when kakashi was still a kid (keeping up a henge would probably be pretty hard while doing eye warpy stuff)? (speaking of kyuubi's attack)

Edited by pharix, 18 July 2012 - 10:31 PM.

[sushi.]

I waited to comment on this chapter, because I have so much to say. But I'm not a fond of long posts, so I can start with saying this was an awesome chapter!! Naruto, I thought I would never see you again

I always thought Tobi was from Konoha, mixed with Zetsu, but does it need to be Obito? If there's one thing I would hate, it's that the only simply kind Uchiha turned evil. Obito died, if Tobi used his body, I don't know why, but I just don't like to think of it. Edit; After reading the comments above, if it really is Obito, we need another flashback arc. Because how the heck did he survive then?? My best guess is that someone found his body, you know Uchiha and how worthy they are. Maybe the experimented with him, and made him nuts. But I still refuse to think it's Obito.

I predict that by next chapter, K11 will be there with Naruto, as we'll probably stick to him for a while.
And Killer Bee-sama He and Jiraiya would be best-budds, I bet!

Edited by sushi., 18 July 2012 - 11:19 PM.

[xxRomanceGirlxx]

Finally! Back to Naruto . Don't get my wrong, I love the Uchiha brothers but I'm glad Sasuke wasn't in that chapter for once . Tobi I think might be Obito given his statement but it would make me sad that the only non-f**cked up Uchiha had to turn evil.


I'm completely looking forward to the next chapter. Tobi vs. Naruto . Also, Bee and Jiraiya would get along great

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

How can u swallow a entire ocean?

[FoolishYoungling]

Why does everybody think Tobi is Obito? In Itachi's flashback to Sasuke, Tobi was much too old to be Obito. Tobi looked to be at least 30, while Obito was only 7-8.

[kirabook]

If you're big and strong enough, swallowing an ocean is probably like taking a sip of water.

Also, I believe Tobi will end up underestimating the Juubi honestly.

As for the Tobito theory, he's the same age as Kakashi. We first saw Tobi in the past when he attacked Minato. Not sure how old Kakashi was then, but he was way older than 7-8.

Edited by kirabook, 19 July 2012 - 12:11 AM.

[sushi.]

Obito was 13 when he died. But apparently, Tobi knows Gai and Kakashi enough to make snide comments. He must be originate from Konoha. Like every other famous villain.

Konoha is badass.

Edited by sushi., 19 July 2012 - 12:37 AM.

[Shadow Wolf]

Why does everybody think Tobi is Obito? In Itachi's flashback to Sasuke, Tobi was much too old to be Obito. Tobi looked to be at least 30, while Obito was only 7-8.

If you're big and strong enough, swallowing an ocean is probably like taking a sip of water.

Also, I believe Tobi will end up underestimating the Juubi honestly.

As for the Tobito theory, he's the same age as Kakashi. We first saw Tobi in the past when he attacked Minato. Not sure how old Kakashi was then, but he was way older than 7-8.

These two, and also the fact that he had both eyes (if not, he would've been able to use Izanagi against Konan).

But anyway, to stick to chapter talking, did anyone noticed that Mazou looked like it had a severely strong headache?

[Jake]

I really don't think that Tobi is Obito because A: he looks way to old to be 31 (which is how old Kakashi is right now), B: He had two sharingan's during his fight with Konan (If I'm not mistaken you can see both of them at one point during the fight), and C: I don't see why Obito would do this, it goes completely against his character.

Although I do believe that he is an Uchiha manly because he had two sharingans, and I think the reason we never saw them before the Itachi Persute arc was because he wasn't using it.

[Darth Krypt]

The way Tobi spoke to Kakashi, it seems both of them know each other personally. And the only regret Kakashi had that we know of is with his Team Minato. Obito is a strong candidate. But what if Tobi is actually an Edo Tensei body of a random Uchiha who had materialization powers(possibly Shisui)?

[kirabook]

Given Tobi had that lair full of Uchiha eyes, it's not too far fetched to believe he implanted them, or at least the one he hid behind his mask. Just look at people like Danzo, he had them all in his arm and everything.

[Lid]

Okay, is it just me, or does Tobi's plot of "Making this world one, and free of anyone, no war, no peace, nothing, a perfect world" & "all that will exist is a single neverending dream" give off vibes of the Instrumentality Project from Evangelion?

Edited by The Notorious L.I.D., 19 July 2012 - 04:59 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

I don't know who Tobi is anymore. It is the biggest mystery in this manga. We all thought it was Madara Uchiha because he knew things from long ago even before Obito was alive in great detail yet this chapter just proves that it could be Obito. We also got an inconsistency that Madara knew how to do the Edo Tensei, yet Tobi new nothing of it and had to have Kabuto explain it. Yet, many of the mannerism that Tobi does do is similar to Madara.

I am glad we are back to Naruto again.

[ciardha]

Given Tobi had that lair full of Uchiha eyes, it's not too far fetched to believe he implanted them, or at least the one he hid behind his mask. Just look at people like Danzo, he had them all in his arm and everything.

I've always thought the theory could be plausible- if what happened was that Orochimaru found the not quite dead body of Obito, and implanted Madara's soul in it, but because Obito wasn't quite dead a messed up fragment of his personality and memories remained- which is why Tobi's personality has such a dramatic difference from the personality we see of the Edo of Madara.

As for the height issue, it's not as much of one as it first might seem- look at Kakashi and Gai in the Kyubi attack flashback- they are nearly within adult male height at 14, and we've seen that Obito was taller than Kakashi at 13, plus we've also seen Uchiha males hit their peak growth spurt early.

It's not a totally ridiculous theory, especially with qualifiers like the above. I'm not totally sold on the Obito=Tobi theory, but if it happens I won't be surprised.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Still think its Obito do to the fact that he made that comment to Kakashi.

[Nate River]

Still think its Obito do to the fact that he made that comment to Kakashi.

People act like Obito would have special knowledge that no one else could and I don't see how that is. Kakashi has lived a life of regrets primarily because of what happened to Obito.

So why would that piece of knowledge be unique to Obito? In fact, assuming Obito dies at that point how would he know it? His "death" was the cause of it. He would have had to learn that by spending at least some time hovering around the guy (or simply assuming it)(assuming he ended up living) after the fact. Something anyone could do.

The Kakashi he knew was not living a life of regrets up to that point and if Rin is included in that she was still alive at that point. I also suspect Obito's death was not super secret knowledge within Konoha. It's hard to believe that the death of a rookie teammate remains unknown to the people of the village. Especially when it's an Uchiha. It would be hard to hide that Team Seven is suddenly down a man.

It's unique knowledge to those outside of Konoha and subsequent generations, but not unique to Kakashi personally. Tobi has been in and around Konoha for years and Kakashi is a well-known ninja. It's not impossible for him to have acquired it by some other method or be some other ninja related to Konoha.

I'm not sold either, but like ciardha, I would not be surprised to see it be Obito in some capacity (used his body, fragmented consciousness or whatever).

If anything is telling it is the fact that he has Kakashi around at a time when it appears Tobi's identity is going to be revealed. It could have been anybody or nobody. I think it's obviously going to be someone familiar to Gai and Kakashi and that one or both of them will be used to explain to Naruto who it is. I don't think Naruto is going to know off-hand.

Anyway, I think the statement means less than people say it does. The most I am willing to say is that is shows exactly what Kakashi's presence does: that it is someone who is familiar Kakashi's past and his response to that event. Obito and his Uchiha connection is certainly an available possibility, but there are others who could fit the bill.

[tricksie]

People act like Obito would have special knowledge that no one else could and I don't see how that is. Kakashi has lived a life of regrets primarily because of what happened to Obito.

So why would that piece of knowledge be unique to Obito? In fact, assuming Obito dies at that point how would he know it? His "death" was the cause of it. He would have had to learn that by spending at least some time hovering around the guy (or simply assuming it)(assuming he ended up living) after the fact. Something anyone could do.

The Kakashi he knew was not living a life of regrets up to that point and if Rin is included in that she was still alive at that point. I also suspect Obito's death was not super secret knowledge within Konoha. It's hard to believe that the death of a rookie teammate remains unknown to the people of the village. Especially when it's an Uchiha. It would be hard to hide that Team Seven is suddenly down a man.

It's unique knowledge to those outside of Konoha and subsequent generations, but not unique to Kakashi personally. Tobi has been in and around Konoha for years and Kakashi is a well-known ninja. It's not impossible for him to have acquired it by some other method or be some other ninja related to Konoha.

I'm not sold either, but like ciardha, I would not be surprised to see it be Obito in some capacity (used his body, fragmented consciousness or whatever).

If anything is telling it is the fact that he has Kakashi around at a time when it appears Tobi's identity is going to be revealed. It could have been anybody or nobody. I think it's obviously going to be someone familiar to Gai and Kakashi and that one or both of them will be used to explain to Naruto who it is. I don't think Naruto is going to know off-hand.

Anyway, I think the statement means less than people say it does. The most I am willing to say is that is shows exactly what Kakashi's presence does: that it is someone who is familiar Kakashi's past and his response to that event. Obito and his Uchiha connection is certainly an available possibility, but there are others who could fit the bill.

I agree. I can't decide if this chapter was meant to drop hints that it's Obito or be a red herring for everyone who already believes it is.

If it is, then I smell a flashback and redemption for Tobi. Unfortunately it's entirely too convenient that Kakashi's there. Because this fight could go down like the Kabuto one, where Naruto doesn't have to sully his hands. And if Tobi isn't interested in resurrecting a completed Juubi, then Naruto's dodged another bullet of having the kyuubi removed. So Tobi could cleanly be dealt with by Kakashi with no adverse plot effects.

Tell me again, what was the purpose of Tobi luring Naruto into battle if he could have already gotten what he needed from the Golden Twins?

All of those things make it very convenient to do away with Tobi (having Naruto's kyuubi chakra without actually having to disable Naruto, and having the hint of Tobi's making being tied to Kakashi somehow) without actually having to have Naruto do it, or have a reason to do it. Tobi's not actually going after Naruto anymore and Kakashi has the most reason to defeat/redeem Tobi if he's really Obito.