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#5961 FoolishYoungling

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:13 AM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Oct 19 2011, 02:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah happy.gif That's kind of what keeps my belief in NS going... Especially the way Kushina explained how she HAAAATED Minato to Naruto when they met. It reminded me so much of a certain pink haired ninja. o:

Yes, Kishi has to be going somewhere with it, I mean, red hair= Minato only likes, pink haired ninja forehead= Naruto only likes... Kushina= random anger, Sakura= random anger... oh I could go all day with these... want to finish for me? happy.gif

Edited by NaruSaku1, 19 October 2011 - 01:13 AM.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:16 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Oct 19 2011, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yes, Kishi has to be going somewhere with it, I mean, red hair= Minato only likes, pink haired ninja forehead= Naruto only likes... Kushina= random anger, Sakura= random anger... oh I could go all day with these... want to finish for me? happy.gif

xD I think theres no way someone can finish such a long list of similarities between the four. But yeah.. and also the hug scene, it was so.. fluffy. I dunno. laugh.gif As much as I sometimes feel like giving up on the whole pairing things, mostly cause some of the "down moments." , I look at these things, and I'm just all: "Damn straight. We're gonna be cannon. wink.gif " This site has been a positive infulence for all of that confidence towards this pairing, too. happy.gif

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:39 AM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Oct 19 2011, 02:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
xD I think theres no way someone can finish such a long list of similarities between the four. But yeah.. and also the hug scene, it was so.. fluffy. I dunno. laugh.gif As much as I sometimes feel like giving up on the whole pairing things, mostly cause some of the "down moments." , I look at these things, and I'm just all: "Damn straight. We're gonna be cannon. wink.gif " This site has been a positive infulence for all of that confidence towards this pairing, too. happy.gif

I think more NH fans are quiting than us... happy.gif

Edited by NaruSaku1, 19 October 2011 - 01:47 AM.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:43 AM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Oct 18 2011, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I've heard that Kishi said that her confession was true, though? What do you mean?
And sorry about seeming snappy earlier, I may of misunderstood you back in my other post happy.gif

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Similarity, eh? biggrin.gif

Funny, yesterday I ran across an old comparison of Sakura and Kushina I'd made ages ago. Fits with yours too!

I would aslo add in your comparison the picture of Naruto saving Sakura with Sasuke in the background, his arm up in the air in such a weird angle; and Minato saving baby Naruto from Madara, leaving Madara in the background, arm stretched up at the same weird angle. To me, that was proof positive that Naruto felt about Sakura the way Minato felt about him. They were saving their most precious person. And not just a sweet little young love, romantic hero sweeping in and saving the day. The visual comparison of Naruto saving Sakura is to the deep, unshakeable bond of a father saving his child. That's a powerful familial bond. And it's reinforced in all this repeated imagery of Naru/Saku to Mina/Kushi.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:56 AM

QUOTE (tricksie @ Oct 19 2011, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Funny, yesterday I ran across an old comparison of Sakura and Kushina I'd made ages ago. Fits with yours too!

Whoa. Thats really similar happy.gif
For some reason I just have this big feeling that Naruto will talk to his dad about Sakura, or his mom about Sakura, in some way shape or form. happy.gif Dunno, though. But I do think something is definately up with MinaKush/Narusaku.
 
 
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 02:07 AM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Oct 19 2011, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Whoa. Thats really similar happy.gif
For some reason I just have this big feeling that Naruto will talk to his dad about Sakura, or his mom about Sakura, in some way shape or form. happy.gif Dunno, though. But I do think something is definately up with MinaKush/Narusaku.

something like this?

Naruto: hey day, this this girl names Sakura and uh *blush*
Minato: I see!
Kushina: happy.gif hehe!
Minato: son, have I told you about the time me and your mom did-
Naruto: dad!
Minato: oh sorry... dry.gif

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 02:14 AM

I think we can honestly say NaruSaku isn't similar to MinaKush. Its exactly the same. Kishi can't make it anymore obvious. To deviate away from NS and make NH canon will be either bad writing or a severe case of trolling. As I said, I really believe NS will be the end pairing. We just have to be EXTREMELY patient with Kishi and wait until he delivers the moments properly. And to do that, he needs to resolve NH or more accurately, Hinata's feelings for Naruto. He needs to make this very clear, with Hinata blatantly saying it herself that she is over Naruto and accepts NS rather than showing hints like during her reaction during the NS hug after Pain's invasion. That is what I believe he is doing for last week's chapter. Don't be disappointed if the chapter that is going to be released later does not contain NS moments. I'm sure he is saving it for last because he needs to resolve everything else first, including Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke, in order to properly set NS as canon. He has been dropping bits and pieces of this, eg. Sakura's mental image of Sasuke as "a great guy", in recent chapters. NaruSaku is a longpainstaking process which requires alot of development for it to be perfect.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 02:34 AM

QUOTE (Darth Krypt @ Oct 19 2011, 02:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think we can honestly say NaruSaku isn't similar to MinaKush. Its exactly the same. Kishi can't make it anymore obvious. To deviate away from NS and make NH canon will be either bad writing or a severe case of trolling. As I said, I really believe NS will be the end pairing. We just have to be EXTREMELY patient with Kishi and wait until he delivers the moments properly. And to do that, he needs to resolve NH or more accurately, Hinata's feelings for Naruto. He needs to make this very clear, with Hinata blatantly saying it herself that she is over Naruto and accepts NS rather than showing hints like during her reaction during the NS hug after Pain's invasion. That is what I believe he is doing for last week's chapter. Don't be disappointed if the chapter that is going to be released later does not contain NS moments. I'm sure he is saving it for last because he needs to resolve everything else first, including Sakura's lingering feelings for Sasuke, in order to properly set NS as canon. He has been dropping bits and pieces of this, eg. Sakura's mental image of Sasuke as "a great guy", in recent chapters. NaruSaku is a longpainstaking process which requires alot of development for it to be perfect.

I'm hoping that Naruto does all the things Kishi has set up for him (forehead kiss, telling Sakura about his parents, hokage, saver of world, brings Sasuke back but then he probably dies but its okay cuz he turned good and we saw team 7 one more time, etc...)

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:25 AM

QUOTE (AzureWaters @ Oct 18 2011, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
When the chapter came out with the sentence I thought the same as everyone else, but since 469 was after this, the two sort of cancel one another out. If 469 proved that Sakura hadn't been in love with Naruto at that point, then the chapters before this basically meant the same. I'm not saying it wasn't a ship teasing moment, but later down the line Kishimoto made his official thoughts clear on the matter.

I'm not going to come to conclusions about Sakura's confession, but here's a few things you should note before coming to your own conclusions.

a.) It is more than possible for a girl to have feelings for more than one guy. Sure, she's a fictional girl, but she's also at the center of the romantic subplot, and she's also been stated, by Kishimoto, to be his intended 'realistic' girl. The last couple points you made seem centered around the idea that Sakura can only have feelings for one guy at a time, and loving Sasuke instantly disqualifies any previous evidence in canon that she had developed feelings for Naruto. Obviously not true.

b.) It was never stated in canon that Sakura was lying to Naruto. During Sai's speech in 474, he pointed out how Sakura was in love with Sasuke, but his only words regarding her previous actions were that she was thinking of Naruto, and that she wasn't telling the truth. Lack of truth doesn't necessarily equate to falsehood.
And even Naruto's words to Sakura, "I hate people who lie to themselves!" was curiously vague. It wasn't "I hate people who lie!" or "You are lying to me, Sakura-chan!" Instead Naruto spoke with a general phase, as in 'anyone who lies to themselves'. He also spoke about her own passive feelings, not what she actively telling him ('lying to yourself', not 'lying to me'). It seems more than likely to me that the 'lying' that Naruto was pointing was concerning her feelings for Sasuke, and not necessarily her confession to him.

c.) You mention Yamato's unfinished sentence being 'cancelled out' by Sakura's confession, almost as if Kishimoto is changing his mind on a dime as he writes the manga. If that's your personal belief regarding Kishimoto's style, that's fine, but I haven't seen any real evidence as of yet that the romantic subplot is prone to it. In fact, even recent events, like the Mina/Kushi similarities that people are mentioning up above, seem to support the idea that Kishi's endgame pairing probably hasn't changed from 297.
Also, keep in mind that the nature of Yamato's line as an unfinished sentence. It's not as if Kishi made a blatant hint, at the time, that Sakura was in love with Naruto. Instead, it's a neutral observer pointing out her feelings. It casts enough doubt that it can't be taken as instant proof of her feelings, but at the same time, it comes across as extremely obvious what Kishi is pointing at. The overall context of the scene is fairly straight-forward, despite the ambiguity. On top of that, being a scene in a work of fiction, it can't be tossed aside as a 'Oh, he just doesn't know what he's talking about' moment. Unless we see evidence that Kishi is really working on a chapter-by-chapter basis, without a real idea of what he wants to do in the end, the fact remains that this scene was inserted for a reason.

I'm not saying that Sakura's confession was necessarily true, but I think there are enough reasons to say that Kishimoto did not "make his official thoughts clear on the matter".

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:32 AM

QUOTE (Boom...Winning @ Oct 19 2011, 03:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not going to come to conclusions about Sakura's confession, but here's a few things you should note before coming to your own conclusions.

a.) It is more than possible for a girl to have feelings for more than one guy. Sure, she's a fictional girl, but she's also at the center of the romantic subplot, and she's also been stated, by Kishimoto, to be his intended 'realistic' girl. The last couple points you made seem centered around the idea that Sakura can only have feelings for one guy at a time, and loving Sasuke instantly disqualifies any previous evidence in canon that she had developed feelings for Naruto. Obviously not true.

b.) It was never stated in canon that Sakura was lying to Naruto. During Sai's speech in 474, he pointed out how Sakura was in love with Sasuke, but his only words regarding her previous actions were that she was thinking of Naruto, and that she wasn't telling the truth. Lack of truth doesn't necessarily equate to falsehood.
And even Naruto's words to Sakura, "I hate people who lie to themselves!" was curiously vague. It wasn't "I hate people who lie!" or "You are lying to me, Sakura-chan!" Instead Naruto spoke with a general phase, as in 'anyone who lies to themselves'. He also spoke about her own passive feelings, not what she actively telling him ('lying to yourself', not 'lying to me'). It seems more than likely to me that the 'lying' that Naruto was pointing was concerning her feelings for Sasuke, and not necessarily her confession to him.

c.) You mention Yamato's unfinished sentence being 'cancelled out' by Sakura's confession, almost as if Kishimoto is changing his mind on a dime as he writes the manga. If that's your personal belief regarding Kishimoto's style, that's fine, but I haven't seen any real evidence as of yet that the romantic subplot is prone to it. In fact, even recent events, like the Mina/Kushi similarities that people are mentioning up above, seem to support the idea that Kishi's endgame pairing probably hasn't changed from 297.
Also, keep in mind that the nature of Yamato's line as an unfinished sentence. It's not as if Kishi made a blatant hint, at the time, that Sakura was in love with Naruto. Instead, it's a neutral observer pointing out her feelings. It casts enough doubt that it can't be taken as instant proof of her feelings, but at the same time, it comes across as extremely obvious what Kishi is pointing at. The overall context of the scene is fairly straight-forward, despite the ambiguity. On top of that, being a scene in a work of fiction, it can't be tossed aside as a 'Oh, he just doesn't know what he's talking about' moment. Unless we see evidence that Kishi is really working on a chapter-by-chapter basis, without a real idea of what he wants to do in the end, the fact remains that this scene was inserted for a reason.

I'm not saying that Sakura's confession was necessarily true, but I think there are enough reasons to say that Kishimoto did not "make his official thoughts clear on the matter".

All great points, but what just caught my eye by what you said was the lying to yourself part. I mean, that is stating that she was lying about Sasuke, not Naruto.. well done! happy.gif

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 04:38 AM

QUOTE (NaruSaku1 @ Oct 19 2011, 11:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
All great points, but what just caught my eye by what you said was the lying to yourself part. I mean, that is stating that she was lying about Sasuke, not Naruto.. well done! happy.gif


I thought that was obvious when reading the confession. huh.gif At least I know alot of members here are aware which part of her confession she was lying about.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 06:01 AM

Also to add to the whole MK and NS theory:


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Posted 19 October 2011 - 06:15 AM

These pictures reminded of just how similar Sakura and Kushina are. It's baffling how obvious the parallel between those two is, and yet some still try and deny it.
Trying to bend the facts and foundation Kishimoto is clearly laying for us here is just clutching at straws. Ugh.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 06:16 AM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Oct 19 2011, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also to add to the whole MK and NS theory:


OH YEAH BABY. THE NS/MK POWAH.

AHHHHHHHHH.

Just realised that the panel with Minato saving Kushina is mirrored O.O OMGWTFBBQ

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Similarity, eh? biggrin.gif


EDIT: Nvm they're different scenes XD

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:37 PM

QUOTE (iamfenris @ Oct 19 2011, 02:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also to add to the whole MK and NS theory:

good stuff!

I've been thinking, Naru/Saku fandom should be prepared for a reunion of Sasuke and Sakura. Because there's been so much emphasis put on Hinata and her connection to Naruto, I think it's only natural to expect some sort of Sasuke saving or acknowledging Sakura moment. Something that will have deep Sasu/Saku overtones. It will serve two purposes: first to resolve Sakura's unrequited connection to him (I don't mean love, just their bond which was pretty strong. She had an impact on him, if you'll remember from the forest of death.); second, and most importantly, to prove that she has chosen Naruto. She has left Sasuke in the past, once and for all. And I'm sure it will go something along the lines of her choosing Naruto a long time ago, before she even realized it, so that it's really not much a "choice" anyway.

But as much as Kishimoto makes waves with the Naru/Hina moments, we should expect another round of Sasu/Saku before it's all over.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:19 PM

I think at one point, with all of those parallels, Naruto either talks about his parents to Sakura or in some way, shape, or form have Sakura see some sort of visual of his parents. Something that triggers to show Sakura how it all began for his parents and to show how that is similar to knowing Naruto, if she is willing.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:44 PM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Oct 19 2011, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think at one point, with all of those parallels, Naruto either talks about his parents to Sakura or in some way, shape, or form have Sakura see some sort of visual of his parents. Something that triggers to show Sakura how it all began for his parents and to show how that is similar to knowing Naruto, if she is willing.


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I'm sure Sakura does not know that the 4 Hokage is Naruto's father
he had enough time to give her the news after the Pain fight, but something tells me that Kishi was saving it for a final memento where Naruto tells Sakura who are his parents and how they met.

But there are also many people who say that Sakura is not equal to Kushina Sakura equal Tsunade if that so then Naruto equal to Jiraiya and Jiraiya did like Tsunade.
So is that is the case we already know Naruto will achieve all the things Jiraiya did not achieve.
example:
Save his friend
Bring Peace
Get the girl (Tsunade = Sakura)
Become Hokage (naruto's dream)

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:53 PM

QUOTE (donjoseph19 @ Oct 19 2011, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But there are also many people who say that Sakura is not equal to Kushina Sakura equal Tsunade if that so then Naruto equal to Jiraiya and Jiraiya did like Tsunade.
So is that is the case we already know Naruto will achieve all the things Jiraiya did not achieve.
example:
Save his friend
Bring Peace
Get the girl (Tsunade = Sakura)
Become Hokage (naruto's dream)


Oh yeah, the JiraTsu pairing is also another one that is similar to NaruSaku and do the things that their masters could not do in their generation, hence the will of the fire. Darn, and those two sannins would be all for NaruSaku, for numerous reasons, if only Jiraiya would have been alive to see the pairing be canon, but yeah what's done is already been done.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE (Anguyen92 @ Oct 19 2011, 11:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think at one point, with all of those parallels, Naruto either talks about his parents to Sakura or in some way, shape, or form have Sakura see some sort of visual of his parents. Something that triggers to show Sakura how it all began for his parents and to show how that is similar to knowing Naruto, if she is willing.

I'm sure we'll get the final piece of the scene with his mother when he responds to her statement about don't pick a weird one. Something like "Oh don't worry mom. I've already got that all figured out." Then a lovely image of Sakura. But that will come very near the end, when N/S is finally revealed.

It's too ovious an omission not to be intentional. And Kishimoto has shown his preference for using flashbacks in a very dramatic fashion. It's a plot device he relies on a lot. So he would have no problem saving that piece of the puzzle till the end.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 04:27 PM

QUOTE (tricksie @ Oct 19 2011, 06:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
good stuff!

I've been thinking, Naru/Saku fandom should be prepared for a reunion of Sasuke and Sakura. Because there's been so much emphasis put on Hinata and her connection to Naruto, I think it's only natural to expect some sort of Sasuke saving or acknowledging Sakura moment. Something that will have deep Sasu/Saku overtones. It will serve two purposes: first to resolve Sakura's unrequited connection to him (I don't mean love, just their bond which was pretty strong. She had an impact on him, if you'll remember from the forest of death.); second, and most importantly, to prove that she has chosen Naruto. She has left Sasuke in the past, once and for all. And I'm sure it will go something along the lines of her choosing Naruto a long time ago, before she even realized it, so that it's really not much a "choice" anyway.

But as much as Kishimoto makes waves with the Naru/Hina moments, we should expect another round of Sasu/Saku before it's all over.


Tricksie if you mean another moment of Sasuke trying to kill Sakura (for third time) then maybe or maybe not. I doubt Kishi will make Sasuke have a conversation with Sakura since he's probably more evil than the last time he tried to kill her.

Edited by Gravenimage, 19 October 2011 - 04:28 PM.

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