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[LuckyChi7]

Hey This question is off topic, but I'm rewatching Legend of Korra Book 3 Change (one of my favorite seasons aside season 4 & 1) and just out of curiosity Does anyone know how Zuko got his dragon? 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Someone posted a link, and naruto not even got in it.

Yeah, I saw.

[RyohkiFan]

It was only 200 boxes, so

True...only 200? That's actually so little

[RyohkiFan]

Hey This question is off topic, but I'm rewatching Legend of Korra Book 3 Change (one of my favorite seasons aside season 4 & 1) and just out of curiosity Does anyone know how Zuko got his dragon? 

I think it's explained in the comic...I never know....but you are on the best season!!!

[Aizen-Sama]

During the Summit arc was when Naruto and Sakura's relationship started to get rocky. Obviously because Sasuke was involved. The guy plays a major factor in their relationship whether we want to admit it or not.
NS was always about working around Sasuke NOT Hinata who was barely on Naruto and Sakura's radar. This is the reason why NH relied so heavily on SS--Hinata fans were counting on Sasuke to take away Sakura so Naruto would end up with the scraps lol.

[luffyq1]

Someone posted a link, and naruto not even got in it.Part 2 early arcs had full of their interaction, what he means - Naruto never got to confess his emotions direclty to Sakura because he was seald by POAL due to plot. And it didn't lack of communication before Kage Summit arc - at all.

yes early part 2 had interations to build their relationship more, but that's also where their relationship should have been solidified because at that point it was obvious that sakura had feelings for naruto. there was absolutely no reason for her to continue having feelings for sasuke at that point, and it looked like that was the case too. 

 

and that's the problem. naruto used sasuke to determine important things in his life to pursue, becoming hokage and confessing to sakura. can't become hokage unless sasuke is safe. can't confess to sakura unless sasuke is saved. it's kitten writing and gives more credit that naruto was just a plot device while sasuke was the main character.

 

 

and it did lack communication before the kage arc, it's why their relationship remained stagnant instead blossoming into the couple we all yearned for years. 

[Change]

True...only 200? That's actually so little

Yup only 200, the post says it'll sell 200 each day until the 25th(wow 3 days!!) and that the picture was taken before it went on sell and sold out(you can pretty see how there's about 200 boxes in the picture)

Edited by TheMagicConch, 23 January 2015 - 03:43 AM.

[Liu bie]

Hey This question is off topic, but I'm rewatching Legend of Korra Book 3 Change (one of my favorite seasons aside season 4 & 1) and just out of curiosity Does anyone know how Zuko got his dragon? 

Remember where the get the fire maybe there.

[Aizen-Sama]

Naruto couldn't become Hokage or confess to a girl until he saved this guy who wanted to kill him. A plot like that is bound to turn into garbage.

[Narufan85]

Stupid question. If I'm finally starting TG, do I start with TG not TG:RE, right?

[Gaara's hair]

Stupid question. If I'm finally starting TG, do I start with TG not TG:RE, right?

TG! First.

[Tiller]

Naruto couldn't become Hokage or confess to a girl until he saved this guy who wanted to kill him. A plot like that is bound to turn into garbage.

I've said it a million times, this story would have been SOOOO much better had Sasuke stayed a villain, and died at the end. Instead Sasuke gets everything and is presented as a true hero....

 

kitten you Kishimoto.

[RyohkiFan]

Yup only 200, the post says it'll sell 200 each day until the 25th(wow 3 days!!) and that the picture was taken before it went on sell and sold out(you can pretty see how there's about 200 boxes in the picture)

That's too much advertising...not even Frozen did that much advertising...

[rocci]

True but he wouldn't of worked so hard.unless for poal and Sakura.

He will still work hard even without poal.
The poal has nothing to do with narusasu.
The poal has something to do with NS, well you can say it as add motivation.

[Aizen-Sama]

I've said it a million times, this story would have been SOOOO much better had Sasuke stayed a villain, and died at the end. Instead Sasuke gets everything and is presented as a true hero....
 
kitten you Kishimoto.

Yes there was an entire fandom sect hoping for that ending. It's not even about disliking Sasuke--realistically he was a villain who needed to be stopped. He committed every deed needed to be a villain (joining the bad guys trying to kill the hero and heroine attacking the home village etc) and yet he was not a villain. Any other character would've been killed but Sasuke had a protection stamp on him. No matter what he did he would never be a villain even if his one life goal was to kill the main character and steal his dreams. It is terrible kittening writing.

[LuckyChi7]

I think it's explained in the comic...I never know....but you are on the best season!!!

 

Hmm I may've missed it then, I've been keeping up to date with the comics so I'll have to check back on it again. Speaking of the comics if anyone's been skeptical about paying their money here is the link to read them online: 

 

 

The Promise (Takes place after the series finale of Avatar: The Last Airbender):  http://www.mangahere...e_promise/c001/

 

The Search (Continuation of The Promise):  

http://www.manga4fun...The-Search.html

 

The Rift: (The most recent comic that's come out): 

 

 

 

Remember where the get the fire maybe there.

 

Hmm it's possible that he could've gotten it there. 

[Change]

That's too much advertising...not even Frozen did that much advertising...

Well Frozen didn't need to shove their ideas onto people, it was a great movie that people loved because it actually made sense and had logic behind it

SP is trying so hard to make it seem like what they did was great, when in truth it isn't, so they try to shove it down people's throat.

[AHK]

i disagree. ns does lack communication. one of the reasons for this is because they had to rely on third party interpretations to push them forward.
 

naruto is one of the most emotional people in this story.

 

completely disagree. all the things you mentioned about his emotions being restrained, well he has expressed it for sasuke numerous times, and for other people as well. the only real expectations put on naruto was to rescue sasuke and having the hero complex he formed during the pein arc, which progressed further into the war. and that stuff about rejection making a man stronger, well that's from jiraiya's point of view, not naruto's. i mean, jiraiya actually told naruto that he should give up on chasing sasuke, so naruto isn't going to take jiraiya's words as some holy scripture. 
 

no one took his feelings seriously? i disagree. he spoke about his feelings to sai, and sai could tell that naruto was hurting about the poal. naruto wasn't this lame emo who was hiding his emotions.

 

and there's a bit of a contradiction here. you say that ns doesn't lack communication, and then go on to say that he was never allowed to voice his frustrations about his feelings towards sakura. and what does that make naruto for falling for a girl that just ignores him? why didn't naruto stop having feelings for a girl as shallow as sakura? why did naruto waste his time on somone as shallow as sakura? unless naruto's feelings were shallow too? and he did get angry at obito and sasuke, but not for the reasons that we all expected him to be angry for. naruto sees the good in despicable people like obito.   
 

agreed. but that's not really saying much to outdo kishi in portraying relationships. almost anyone can do that.

Communication between how they feel about each other, maybe, but in other aspects no. They knew each other better than they knew themselves at some points. They acted for each other, that's how they communicated.

 

Being emotional doesn't mean that you can express yourself the way you want to. The majority of the time, most of Naruto's real feelings were bottled up. He never really addressed how he felt until the time at the waterfall. You can be emotional but not show it. 

 

Naruto was only allowed to show his feelings towards Sasuke, and later Obito. Every other time he got hindered. He couldn't say anything about Sakura. His feelings got forced down his throat after Jiraiya's death because of the expectations Jiraiya and Minato levied on him. The only people he was able to she extreme emotion towards were Sasuke and Obito, and a brief bit to and with Gaara. but that's it. He had no other meaningful emotional interactions with anyone else. 

 

@bold, his feelings, and his understanding of them. got likened to ramen. That's how serious people took his feelings. 

 

It's not really a contradiction as our views of communication were probably different. He knew her better than anyone else did, and her him. He wasn't allowed to voice his true feelings to her. This goes back to what I was saying about Jiraiya. I didn't mean that Naruto learned that from Jiraiya, rather Jiraiya's quote was a underlying theme for the manga, as shown in the spoiler below: 

 

Think of it this way

Hashirama was mocked by the Kage and scolded by Tobirama for bowing his head out of emotion, Naruto was mocked by Ay for the same thing. Hashirama was mocked by Madara for much the same. Obito was mocked by Kakashi as a child for it, as well as scolded by Minato. Kakashi time and time again scolded Naruto for being emotional. Orochimaru mocked Naruto, saying his emotions made him trash in part one, and in part two also made light of Naruto's feelings towards Sasuke. Kabuto did much the same. Itachi, very negatively, described Naruto to Deidara as "the one who bursts in and barks the loudest", speaking towards his reliance of his emotions to guide him. Hinata never even considered Naruto's feelings, and Sakura (right or wrong), tried to manipulate them. Jiraiya, as you mentioned, berated Naruto for his feelings. Naruto was told by Iruka to not to grieve. Naruto was expected not to show any hatred, even though hatred is as natural to one as love. The same applies with anger. Obito made light of his feelings. Hell even Zabuza and Haku did as well.

 

There are many more instances, but the point is this: Kishi set up gender roles in his writing very clearly. The women were expected to have extreme emotions to a fault, because that was the only thing they could do: provide emotional support. Little girls were expected to fall in love with people they knew nothing about, and women were supposed to reflect the feelings of immature little fangirls, as is the case with Sakura, Ino, and Hinata. Their feelings were the most important, and when they tried to step into another role, they were second place to men. 

 

The men were expected to be the torch-bearers and pillars of strength, but if you showed emotions at any time, you were openly mocked for it. In the light of women, the feelings of men never mattered: Hinata's "love" for Naruto overrode his for Sakura, Sakura's obsession with Sasuke overrode his previous actions and statements. Men were meant by Kishi to be strong, but stoic, and their feelings never really mattered, else the ending wouldn't be the ending.

 

This is the dynamic set up by Kishi, and the underlying message in his writing. Men's feelings don't matter, and the feelings of women are the only thing that women have.

 

That's true, I guess I just use Oda because he's the one I'm most familiar with. 

 

 

Stupid question. If I'm finally starting TG, do I start with TG not TG:RE, right?

Start with Tokyo Ghoul. RE is basically to Tokyo Ghoul what Shippuden is to Naruto, RE is the continuation of the original manga. 

[TouKen4Life3g]

yes early part 2 had interations to build their relationship more, but that's also where their relationship should have been solidified because at that point it was obvious that sakura had feelings for naruto. there was absolutely no reason for her to continue having feelings for sasuke at that point, and it looked like that was the case too. 
 
and that's the problem. naruto used sasuke to determine important things in his life to pursue, becoming hokage and confessing to sakura. can't become hokage unless sasuke is safe. can't confess to sakura unless sasuke is saved. it's kitten writing and gives more credit that naruto was just a plot device while sasuke was the main character.
 
 
and it did lack communication before the kage arc, it's why their relationship remained stagnant instead blossoming into the couple we all yearned for years. 

Blame Kage Summit Arc. Things take time but instead, Kishi decided to revive the love triangle when every databank said that's gone. Don't have to be all lovey dovey, just unleash it when the time come. But yeah...pretty much that arc ruined everything. Then, the last arc destroyed the series.

[Aizen-Sama]

In order for Sakura to end up with Naruto/be his wife she had to shape up and let go of Sasuke. It was never accomplished and she lost out to Hinakittens--a girl Naruto didn't even love. Such a sad sad story.