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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 9 2012, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He said he had a ending planned but what was the ending it could be without pairing of course and trust me he do change stuff in the middle of the story, that why he stopped talking about naruto's future.
only about things he already wrote.

Yes he can do changes but normally not that big like changing the developed pairing in the middle. Also the end of the whole manga can be changed a bit but not like that that it destroys the story

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:48 PM

I do believe Kishi has the conclusion to Naruto's character planned out already. I do believe that the pairing is planned out already too, just the moments might be changeable, especially additional fanservice for pairings he doesn't plan/care. He has the ending already; however, the events to that moment can be changeable. It's normal as long as it makes sense and not too jumpy. I don't mind. I don't know the recent ones but just enjoy it as long as it is done well.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Nostradamus @ Dec 5 2012, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@ Canadian_DJ
Quote: “wait, are you trying to say that hinata has the potential to be your favourite character if it weren't for all the "naruto-kuns"?”

No no no no and hell no. Actually every single chapter and episode without Hinata is a happy day for me. What really bugs me about Hinata is that she is incredibly selfish, she doesn’t care about Naruto or anyone the only thing she cares about is Getting Naruto. I don’t want to see some great revelation about her that she is the reincarnation of the Rikudou Sennin mother or something ridiculous like that. And I also don’t want to see Hinata fighting against Madara or Obito or the Juubi and even worse holding her ground that will be just stupid. The proper development that she needs is if she finally opens her eyes to the truth. Which is that she is selfish and she’s obsessed with Naruto. The problem with this is the only way I can see this happen is if someone close to her (and by someone close to her I don’t mean Naruto, Naruto is a complete stranger to her) like Neji, Kiba, Shino or her father dies in front of her eyes and that person dies (or is greatly injured) because instead of focusing on the enemy she was too busy looking at Naruto. The problem with this is that I don’t want someone who actually did something in this storyline die or nearly die just so Hinata can finally open her eyes and realize that her entire life she was an idiot. That instead of being obsessed with Naruto she should’ve decided to help the people around her, to became strong so she can protect her friends, her younger sister, the members of her clan, the villagers etc. I mean she could’ve decided to change the way of the Hyuga because she is supposed to lead her clan when her father dies. But instead she decided to be obsessed with Naruto.
This is why I like Naruto and Sakura as characters because they understood that it’s n
ot what they want that matters. It’s what the world wants and what the world needs that matters.
They understood that they must put away their own selfish desires so other people can be happy or safe.

Yeah man, AWSOME post, your so right if hinata can just get over naruto and actually become a freakin' character yhen my hate for her would vanish but since we dont know what kishis keeping in stock for that tart, but whatever it ia, knowing kishi im sure im not gonna be disappointed.And before anybody calls us bias or haters, these are just facts-not bashing.Anyhow awsome post nostradamus i love reading your posts, say, do you mind sharing some more of your marvellous posts? if it doesn't trouble you 121721.gif

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:06 PM

Ah, I didn't read all the 200+ pages, but just wondered.
Have any of you read the analysis of the NaruSaku fan pairing done my a guy named Nostradamus? smile.gif
I have it on my Tumblr and although he is a bit mean concerning Hinata, he is right with all he says.
Just wondered if you guys knew about it happy.gif

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:24 PM

Look, I don't hate Hinata. I do like her, but lately, it's been a struggle. I won't hate her, but I feel like this is either Kishi 's game or act of revenge on the fans. I can't help but think maybe it's the latter. I wonder when that interview, where he addressed that Sakura is the heroine, was released. Ever since then, I feel like Kishi dropped subtle hate on her. Kushina saying "Watch out for weird ones," sounds like a hidden message, or her being now known as a fanservice character if that playboy (out of all things) interview truly exist. I could be over thinking (most likely), but who knows. I just wish her whole love thing will end soon. I can imagine Kakashi and Gai being stabbed to the wall, dead, and she will just say, "Naruto-Kun, are you okay?"

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:32 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 9 2012, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Look, I don't hate Hinata. I do like her, but lately, it's been a struggle. I won't hate her, but I feel like this is either Kishi 's game or act of revenge on the fans. I can't help but think maybe it's the latter. I wonder when that interview, where he addressed that Sakura is the heroine, was released. Ever since then, I feel like Kishi dropped subtle hate on her. Kushina saying "Watch out for weird ones," sounds like a hidden message, or her being now known as a fanservice character if that playboy (out of all things) interview truly exist. I could be over thinking (most likely), but who knows. I just wish her whole love thing will end soon. I can imagine Kakashi and Gai being stabbed to the wall, dead, and she will just say, "Naruto-Kun, are you okay?"


Well, dunno about that, but where I read it, he was very dissapointed of the hate letters he got from the crazy Hinata fans.
He said something like "You always say Hinata,Hinata. I say Sakura is not Hinata" or someting like that anyway.
But what I read for sure is that he was very disappointed in the fandom's reaction over Sakura's confession and the hate letters.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:43 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Dec 9 2012, 01:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, dunno about that, but where I read it, he was very dissapointed of the hate letters he got from the crazy Hinata fans.
He said something like "You always say Hinata,Hinata. I say Sakura is not Hinata" or someting like that anyway.
But what I read for sure is that he was very disappointed in the fandom's reaction over Sakura's confession and the hate letters.

I did hear about him being annoyed that Hinata is the heroine for one thing. It was needed for Naruto to meet his dad, bonus, Hinata gets a development. Why people can only see it like this? I mean shouldn't Naruto comes to Hinata after him fighting Pain ended? I would. The only thing he cared was that if she and the village are safe or not. Once they are safe, that was it. I haven't seen Naruto thinking about her. There's no mind image of Hinata. Only the ones he placed higher than normal friends. I didn't hear anything about the confession, except he dodged the question about Sakura used Naruto's feeling.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:51 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 9 2012, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I did hear about him being annoyed that Hinata is the heroine for one thing. It was needed for Naruto to meet his dad, bonus, Hinata gets a development. Why people can only see it like this? I mean shouldn't Naruto comes to Hinata after him fighting Pain ended? I would. The only thing he cared was that if she and the village are safe or not. Once they are safe, that was it. I haven't seen Naruto thinking about her. There's no mind image of Hinata. Only the ones he placed higher than normal friends. I didn't hear anything about the confession, except he dodged the question about Sakura used Naruto's feeling.


Actually, I read he didn't dodge the question.
When the interviewer said that why Sakura used Naruto's feelings for him against him, lying to him, Kishi got pissed as well and said that he felt like depicting an honest girl with an impressive stubborn determination.
The only part from the interview that is suspected to be translated wrong is regarding Kishi said Sakura love[s] Sasuke, many think it's love[d] Sasuke because it contradicts with the rest of his statement that Sakura is an honest girl, meaning she was honest when she told Naruto she loves him.
Because if you look at it an [s] and an [d] change very much the whole thing.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 9 2012, 07:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Look, I don't hate Hinata. I do like her, but lately, it's been a struggle. I won't hate her, but I feel like this is either Kishi 's game or act of revenge on the fans. I can't help but think maybe it's the latter. I wonder when that interview, where he addressed that Sakura is the heroine, was released. Ever since then, I feel like Kishi dropped subtle hate on her. Kushina saying "Watch out for weird ones," sounds like a hidden message, or her being now known as a fanservice character if that playboy (out of all things) interview truly exist. I could be over thinking (most likely), but who knows. I just wish her whole love thing will end soon. I can imagine Kakashi and Gai being stabbed to the wall, dead, and she will just say, "Naruto-Kun, are you okay?"



:3

anonymous delivers.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:59 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 9 2012, 01:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

:3

anonymous delivers.

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That's awesome. Suddenly, I just thought of the ending of the battle. The whole place is destroyed, her father and Neji are MIA, many Hyuugas are dead, and all she can say is "Does Naruto-Kun needs help?" Sakura is doing the ova moment with Naruto. Neji and her dad return, look at her and say "...awkward." That will be gold but that won't happen.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:27 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Dec 9 2012, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, I read he didn't dodge the question.
When the interviewer said that why Sakura used Naruto's feelings for him against him, lying to him, Kishi got pissed as well and said that he felt like depicting an honest girl with an impressive stubborn determination.
The only part from the interview that is suspected to be translated wrong is regarding Kishi said Sakura love[s] Sasuke, many think it's love[d] Sasuke because it contradicts with the rest of his statement that Sakura is an honest girl, meaning she was honest when she told Naruto she loves him.
Because if you look at it an [s] and an [d] change very much the whole thing.

Well, if chapter 540 is anything to go by then I think Kishi meant "loves", as in present.

But if he meant her to be honest with her confession to Naruto then it really becomes tricky. Maybe the issue is that Sakura believes she still loves Sasuke romantically and the whole point is for her to realize that what she feels for Sasuke is different than her new found feelings for Naruto.

I think that at the very least Sakura is aware that she feels something beyond friendship for Naruto, but she's trying to associate her love for Naruto to what she feels for Sasuke. That's why she kept comparing Naruto and Sasuke during her confession while making Naruto look like the better option and even said that she just switched from Sasuke to Naruto. The fact is the feelings she has for each guy is different, but until she realizes that what she feels for Naruto is what true genuine love is then she'll still associate those feelings to Sasuke.

Naruto doesn't want Sakura to just switch from Sasuke to him, because that would mean that she'll just view Naruto as the version of Sasuke that she wanted. Naruto wants Sakura to love him for who he is and not because he's what she wished Sasuke was. So Sakura needs to understand that she doesn't love Naruto because he changed and became the man she always wanted, she loves Naruto because she herself changed and came to love him for who he's always been.

I thinks that might be what Kishi is going for if you put his insistence that Sakura was being an honest girl with the fact that he still portrays Sakura thinking of Sasuke when she thinks about love as with chapter 540.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:37 PM

Oh the interview which you are talking about is that one !?

http://narutoxsakura...rview-334624389

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:39 PM

QUOTE (Chatte @ Dec 9 2012, 01:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually, I read he didn't dodge the question.
When the interviewer said that why Sakura used Naruto's feelings for him against him, lying to him, Kishi got pissed as well and said that he felt like depicting an honest girl with an impressive stubborn determination.
The only part from the interview that is suspected to be translated wrong is regarding Kishi said Sakura love[s] Sasuke, many think it's love[d] Sasuke because it contradicts with the rest of his statement that Sakura is an honest girl, meaning she was honest when she told Naruto she loves him.
Because if you look at it an [s] and an [d] change very much the whole thing.

Last time I checked the interview, he was agreeing with the interviewer, then for odd reason, he just did a 180, by saying that if that happened, and he doesn't remember and needs to recheck. To me, he seems to have fun with us and toying our judgment. I should gather all of these interviews, but in the end, it wouldn't matter. But if you want to, let's not forget that Kishi said Naruto is close but Sakura loves Sasuke. This occurred after the Kage Summit Arc. That would mean Naruto is almost there, just as much as he's near to Sasuke. It's coincidence but planned that with Sasuke turning good or whatever conclusion is, Sakura and Naruto will be confronting each other and that will be the main breaking point of their relationship.

But what redragon88 said is also good too.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:59 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 9 2012, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Last time I checked the interview, he was agreeing with the interviewer, then for odd reason, he just did a 180, by saying that if that happened, and he doesn't remember and needs to recheck. To me, he seems to have fun with us and toying our judgment. I should gather all of these interviews, but in the end, it wouldn't matter. But if you want to, let's not forget that Kishi said Naruto is close but Sakura loves Sasuke. This occurred after the Kage Summit Arc. That would mean Naruto is almost there, just as much as he's near to Sasuke. It's coincidence but planned that with Sasuke turning good or whatever conclusion is, Sakura and Naruto will be confronting each other and that will be the main breaking point of their relationship.

But what redragon88 said is also good too.


If i was the interviewer i would say to kishi (the interview ends here) and leave because, you're interview a guy and then he says "she stills loves sasuke" and on the next question he says "on the contrary.." i would say to him, dude.
and quit the interview because if he didnt wanted to say anything about pairings he could just say "i dont want to talk about this" but what he did was totally disrepectfull with the interviewer.
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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 9 2012, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If i was the interviewer i would say to kishi (the interview ends here) and leave because, you're interview a guy and then he says "she stills loves sasuke" and on the next question he says "on the contrary.." i would say to him, dude.
and quit the interview because if he didnt wanted to say anything about pairings he could just say "i dont want to talk about this" but what he did was totally disrepectfull with the interviewer.

Like I said, I think he was toying with them. Not surprised. He seems like a private guy, keep it to himself. That's the vibe I get from him, especially for whatever reason, he had his face covered back in RtN promos. But that just me.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:19 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 9 2012, 10:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Like I said, I think he was toying with them. Not surprised. He seems like a private guy, keep it to himself. That's the vibe I get from him, especially for whatever reason, he had his face covered back in RtN promos. But that just me.

No, watching his interview at NHK about the movie naruto, he seems to me as someome who "i dont give a kitten", a private person as you said,but he speaks as if there was something preventing him from saying something
There's a difference between toying and trolling.
He trolled the interviewer, he was doing his job and kishimoto agreed and therefore he makes 180 and a lot of things.
Like saying that she loves sasuke and on the next question saying she was being honest to naruto confessing his love, i dont know what he meant with this but that scene could be anything minus heroish.

he was disrespectful.
I dont know how his magazine let him publish those two questions because it's the same as trash.
And the guy who interviewed must had leave that interview a bit sad.
He's good when the interviews are about other stuff like his job and promoting the movie.
But for god's sake dont make an interview talking about naruto.

No one likes to interview kishimoto i think because of stuff like this.
and moreover to not send the magazine on a trash can, they got commentaries adding stuff, dafuq this is the worst interview ever.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (Dαrkrєrsŧ @ Dec 9 2012, 05:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No, watching his interview at NHK about the movie naruto, he seems to me as someome who "i dont give a kitten", a private person as you said,but he speaks as if there was something preventing him from saying something
There's a difference between toying and trolling.
He trolled the interviewer, he was doing his job and kishimoto agreed and therefore he makes 180 and a lot of things.
Like saying that she loves sasuke and on the next question saying she was being honest to naruto confessing his love, i dont know what he meant with this but that scene could be anything minus heroish.

he was disrespectful.
I dont know how his magazine let him publish those two questions because it's the same as trash.
And the guy who interviewed must had leave that interview a bit sad.
He's good when the interviews are about other stuff like his job and promoting the movie.
But for god's sake dont make an interview talking about naruto.

No one likes to interview kishimoto i think because of stuff like this.

Ah I see what you mean.

To be fair, people don't like to be interviewed because they don't ask them questions about themselves. They usually ask for spoilers or something that don't get his/her story right. I don't know, it's best to let the work do the answer. Maybe he do see Sakura as his wife. Who knows. Maybe that's why he's annoyed by Hinata's fans. I do feel like he has written hidden message back in Kushina's last words. Who knows.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:40 PM

QUOTE (NaruSaku4Life3g @ Dec 9 2012, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah I see what you mean.

To be fair, people don't like to be interviewed because they don't ask them questions about themselves. They usually ask for spoilers or something that don't get his/her story right. I don't know, it's best to let the work do the answer. Maybe he do see Sakura as his wife. Who knows. Maybe that's why he's annoyed by Hinata's fans. I do feel like he has written hidden message back in Kushina's last words. Who knows.

when someome want to make an interview with someome first off is, what the interview is about.

It was an interview scheduled, he still trolled.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:30 PM

lol I never watched any Naruto fillers, so I always wondered how people could ship NaruHina so hard even before pain arc ( well after that they at least have a reason) .. but omg anime team really make that scene???! :O

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Dec 9 2012, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Oh the interview which you are talking about is that one !?

http://narutoxsakura...rview-334624389


Yeah that one and I know I found it on another forum as well, some time ago, but can't remember where.

Anwyay, sometimes dunnow hat to say, especially after the whole recent chapters.
It's like Kishi is turning to 180 getting away the whole development he did with Naruto and Sakura...
Or I might be wrong.

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