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[Diadochi]

The only way I can find solace and peace with this ending is if Kishi does an interview - sooner rather than later - and admits that this horrendous finale wasn't the original ending he had in mind. But then again, it begs the question: if Kishi's been planning this movie for 2 years, WHY did he push NS as much as he did? Why didn't Hinata reach Naruto in his darkest hour? Why symbolize the fact that Sakura literally had Naruto's heart in the palm of her hand? Kishi has a responsibility to answers these questions.

[Khaleesi]

HEY, DORKS!

 

 

Well, this is my own version of the theories that some people are giving. I do know that this could end not being the case, so, well, unlike most of you I have reasons to believe this have a certain percentage to be true. Once again, maybe it’s not the case, but that doesn’t dismiss my reasons, because they are enough to suspect.

I believe most of you have already surrendered. I don’t want to give you false hopes if turns to be false, so you are reading this by your own will. Anyway, if you are in total denial and have already accepted NH/SS is the end game, life sucks, you hate Sakura, Naruto, the fly right there, the sound of people laughing, then, don’t even bother to read this or try to reply at this, because I don’t want to hear you.

In any case, there I go.

For all we know, the OOC-ness began with Sakura asking Sasuke to go with her. Some of you may think that it bagan with her “ignoring Naruto” when she finds them, but I will half disagree. She healed both of them, it’s just that Sasuke needed to say sorry.

 

 

This is Sakura IN character. She loves him, she wanted to save him, but she’s still resentful about it. She first doesn’t want to hear him, he says sorry anyway and she breaks and say “You’d better damn well be”.

However, the nightmare begins when Sasuke decides to go and she ask to go with him. That’s not the Sakura we know. Even some of the SS fans that “loves” Sakura—and I say ‘”loves” because how you can ship her with someone that hurts her in that way? – noticed that. I mean, they defended to the end that Sakura is more mature now, that she’s not the fangirl of before, and, because that, their love/relationship would be good once Sasuke is redeemed. Guess what, she’s practically a single-mother in the last chapter. But we are speaking about 699 first, so, the thing here is that Sakura would never let the village when they need her the most along with Tsunade. Isn’t Sakura supposed to know what the priorities are? I mean, just take a look at Sakura’s confession. After they knew what Sasuke was doing, Naruto’s life in danger and her village itself, she made a decision. If she could do it or not has nothing to do with it, because she already knew what comes first. They know too, at least, about NS friendship. Some of them shipped Narusaku as BROTP. But that friendship is also ruined in those few panels. Because, right away Sasuke is in the village, Sakura is up to him. What is that? Did she just used Naruto to get Sasuke? That’s not the Sakura we all know. And contradicts the manga itself. Sakura haters may be happy because their prejudices came “true”, but for the people that understood Sakura’s character knows that she’s not THAT.

Naruto probably didn’t confess because he heard what Sakura said. And for people saying Sasuke was OOC, yes it can be, but we didn’t know a Sasuke without hate, despair and feelings of void inside him. Just because you don’t like a character or believe they are 100% jerks doesn’t mean they are. Take a look at how Madara was when with Hashirama created the leaf.

Well, then 700 came out. And everything was exactly when it wasn’t supposed to be if we follow the manga’s time line.

Here is when my theory begins:

Some of you may already read Ramenanmitsu’s theory and other ones with the same feeling. Anyway, this is my variation.

Yes. Almost we all are up to the IT theory and the rest think that

• Or the “real” chapter didn’t come out, hence what we read is trolling for all the piracy they are victim of. But I really doubt this, since isn’t it too much to leak even colour pages? Before of what we have read—I mean, the scans—we’ve seen pics of the book itself (the pages of the book*). Either way, didn’t Evil tell us spoilers that came to be true? She has contacts inside, doesn’t she? And, how do you think the ones who translate the chapter gets…the chapters?
• Or that it’s over but Kishimoto feelt obligated for someone else. Since I know nothing about how these things work, I recommend you to read this http://www.narusaku....e=6#entry650084 . Reply #2.

That’s why I think a variation of Infinite Tsukuyomi can explain almost everything. And I mean almost everything because 699 is practically not remediable—even I have some ideas about how fix that but it’s highly less possible than anything—but we still can get a better ending than this one.

Okay. We have now a variation of the IT. I don’t believe it’s actually the IT we know.

The reason I believe it’s…well, because for the same IT you will need a Sharingan and a Rinnegan (?) and, for we know, Sasuke is not involved with the bad guys this time. Also, because it seems more to be “another world” than only Hinata’s perspective. Why? Because then Bolt wouldn’t be problematic or Naruto so busy. They will have had the perfect life. And because it also involves other people’s lives/feelings as not satisfied. If it were just Hinata’s IT, then we probably would have seen all from Hinata’s perspective. As if we’re her, not things she’s not interested about or she doesn’t know.

Kishimoto created a different version of the IT for RTN, why can’t do the same for this movie? I mean, in the manga says that Naruto have never talk with Hinata, but in the movie there is a flashback, so who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

Anyway, I could be wrong. There are things that can indicate that it is, indeed, Hinata’s IT dream. Her life along Naruto not being 100% perfect with Naruto, as should be if we are talking about IT, can be her conscience about Naruto not loving her, etc. Any way it can’t explain how other people’s feelings were showed too. Even people she doesn’t know about. I mean… the cat girl with Kiba? ¯\_(⊙︿⊙)_/¯

I believe is something more like RTN IT version but where they aren’t fully aware of it. Imagine the people just waking up in that world, singly confused, but with that world’s memories, so they aren’t really aware it’s an IT. An Infinite Tsukuyomi where all people’s desires combine and creates a “new world”. Have you seen Bruce Almighty? What happened to Bruce when he tried to solve everyone’s problems? A mess, chaos and more dissatisfaction. One’s desire can block something somewhere and it becomes a cycle that never ends.

One of the leaked designs of the other day contain Hinata with a dress.

She’s going to be kidnapped, right? And thanks to this translation

http://www.narusaku....e=6#entry650991

I can say that Toneri is apparently interested in Hinata more than anything. And this dress indicates a twisted wedding or part of a ritual. Typical cliché, if you ask me. She will be probably controlled in some way.  And maybe…the rescue team fails? And this is how the variation of the IT begins. At the end, this will be solved, because people will realize they are not happy, they really want something else, etc.

Why do I suspect that? Because of some elements, such as Sasusaku’s daughter looking like Karin or Naruhina’s kids with a cherry blossom hair. I mean, how even???

 

At the end, this could be about Hinata finally moving on.

So, how can we fix then the final chapter? Releasing another one after the movie is out. Someone here in H&E told me that, months ago, he read somewhere that for the ones who see the movie it will be a new chapter. Isn’t going to be an early release for the movie? For some “lucky” ones the tickets will be raffled? Either way the rumor about a new chapter after the early movie release may be false, but who knows? Maybe there will actually be one more chapter for all of us after the movie in December. For what I remember, Kishimoto’s assistant said that he drew along with Kishimoto and someone else (I believe?) 32 pages for the final chapter. But wasn’t it 21? I mean, for chapter 700. Either way, if I’m wrong in this last one it doesn’t affect anything I’ve said.

Now, you may be thinking why Kishimoto would do something like this?

Because it’s his big ending and he’s… a bit dramatic, don’t you think? He may have exaggerate in some things or drag the resolution of the romance sub-plot to the end. But you really think he’s stupid enough to poop in his own work which cost 15 years and time with his family? He has invested too much for just ruining everything.

The movie is being worked since almost…two years, isn’t it? What have we get in that time? From the interview about Sakura’s confession, Minato’s comment, CPR, SK and NS mirrored, more Hinata’s literally falling when she tried to be the person at Naruto’s side, more negative moments to add to Sasusaku’s relationship.

I mean, if we were “trolled” because the manga was up to be interpreted as a Narusaku ending, work of 15 years. Why can’t he troll NH/SS making them believe they are canon? How crazy is really that? Hinata’s feelings need a closure, after all and she’s a popular character, so… since he wasn’t able to do that in the manga, he decided to make a movie.

If it weren’t like that, he wouldn’t add to much positive moments for NS in the time he was making the movie. He would have foreshadowed NH and SS, but he didn’t. He could have make Hinata met Minato, but he didn’t. He could have make Hinata not fail to reach Naruto, but he didn’t. He could have make Sakura be with Sasuke instead of Karin, but he didn’t. He could have make Sasuke be more aware of Sakura’s life in danger, but he didn’t. Two years making the movie and drawing the manga and the end doesn’t match at all. That’s why I believe this is not the end.

The only thing I can’t really justify is 699. That chapter has Sakura blushing, with that destroys NS friendship, Sakura’s final development and kind of foreshadowed the possibility of him falling for her in a future…and she accepting him. Which is why he probably didn’t confess, which is why he went to Hinata (I’m not saying he doesn’t love her if this is the case, but that his feelings aren’t 100% positive for the relationship), which is why he doesn’t eat from Hinata’s bento and instead eats instant ramen and keeps himself busy* since he bottled up his feelings for Sakura.

(*This is an interpretation for the following reason right there.)

And so on, and so on.

I said early that I have an explanation for 699 but I also said that it was the less likely of all. And is that… for the sake of preparing people to 700, he drew that Sasusaku scene and Hinata alongside Naruto in Neji’s funeral. Either way, is too much, and what if after the movie he releases two chapters? One replacing 699, more like some scenes and 700, obviously. But as I said, I hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighly doubt this, so we are doomed about 699 anyway.

 

Well, those are my thoughts. I hope it was well explained.

 

If it turns not to be like this, then, indeed, Kishi has ruined his own manga breaking the continuity. And I'll be done forever and ever. 

#Bye.

 

Edited by theunburnt, 08 November 2014 - 06:29 PM.

[Nar123]

I have heard that there were rumors spreading that I went into deep depression and I never got off the bed for days. While I appreeciate the concern (I think), I am ok and nothing bad happened to me or anything. I just log off for days because well the end was near and I even got myself tested to see if I can handle without really going here constantly. I can, really. I didn't read the chapters until yesterday, hence why I'm late with everything. But yes, I am ok. No need to think crazy speculation on me. Lol.

So... Whats your impression about the ending?

[FireFox]

I have heard that there were rumors spreading that I went into deep depression and I never got off the bed for days. While I appreeciate the concern (I think), I am ok and nothing bad happened to me or anything. I just log off for days because well the end was near and I even got myself tested to see if I can handle without really going here constantly. I can, really. I didn't read the chapters until yesterday, hence why I'm late with everything. But yes, I am ok. No need to think crazy speculation on me. Lol.

Nice to hear that and welcome back XD Do you at least plan to stay  or you're done with this BS ?

[Kikuyu]

I have heard that there were rumors spreading that I went into deep depression and I never got off the bed for days. While I appreeciate the concern (I think), I am ok and nothing bad happened to me or anything. I just log off for days because well the end was near and I even got myself tested to see if I can handle without really going here constantly. I can, really. I didn't read the chapters until yesterday, hence why I'm late with everything. But yes, I am ok. No need to think crazy speculation on me. Lol.

 

That's good to know. :  

It kinda worries me that other people are taking it all in too much, but since I went through the same thing I can't blame them. I think I lacked sleep getting anxious at what others would do with all these heavy feelings and disappointment. 

[ALEX SENJU]

YAY 4Life is back i was worried 

[Gaara's hair]

I'm a dork!

[ALEX SENJU]

Does anyone else think that Bolt looks like a gangster lol

EDIT: and what is it about blonde uzumaki's that attract the stalkers

Edited by ALEX SENJU, 08 November 2014 - 06:31 PM.

[Gaara's hair]

Does anyone else think that Bolt looks like a gangster lol

Keep it gansta ya! HAHAHA, he probably is.

[TouKen4Life3g]

So... Whats your impression about the ending?

Look forward to podcast tonight.

Nice to hear that and welcome back XD Do you at least plan to stay  or you're done with this BS ?

What do you mean?

[NS4Life]

[quote name="DarkRadeon" post="651480" timestamp="1415469015"]TBH this is just like what happened in Digimon except the asspull ship there namely Matt and Sora at least were shown having a moment together.lol.As far as JKR goes at least she did some development between Harry and Ginny in the last 2 books.This guy did absolutely nothing in comparison.The last moment NH had was that handholding waay back in 615.No hug,no blush,no dialogue.Nothing.Not even a panel of Naruto and Hinata together.Just pairing em up and leaving us to deduce the Dad is Narutio through whiskers
Not to mention hadnt he said in one of the interviews he doesnt have any romance planned for Shikamaru?And yet he paired him off.lol[/quote

I think with HP, Harry was on his own (sasuke). Ron and Hermione were always together (naruto and sakura). You might not like it, but it made senses.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Your sarcasm level is never too high. 

MY CODING FAILED -sobs in embarrassment-



Also,Miguel can play that mandolin for me any time

Edited by Tsuki Hoshino, 08 November 2014 - 06:35 PM.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

The girlfriend comment could have been taken as comedy relief if it wasn't joked about more than once. There was no reason for Minato to compare her to Kushina if it was just for comedy relief, especially with Kushina's words on find on woman. You don't blush at someone if they've matured quicker than you thought. You don't do all of these parallels for nothing. You don't develop this bond from start to finish only to have the main characters feelings of 698 chapters tossed aside in the last two chapters. You don't introduce the heroine of the series as the love interest and develop the main characters feelings only for it to be tossed aside like salad. You don't show all the failures of past students/teachers only for Naruto to do the same thing. 

 

You just.. don't. 

 

This.  It's like all the morals of the story just jumped out the window.  There was no surpassing generations in this story.  We're not even sure if the cycle of hatred ended.

 

That was my point. He made SS kid look like Karin, he made Sakura look more like Kushina (gave her the same height and bangs in "The Last" and even the hair clip in the epilogue), made Naruto of all people make his son feel lonely and neglected, and then basically tells him to sick it up, made all the kids ugly (there's literally no other reason to pair Choji with Karui or make Sai's kid look like an alien), made Anko fat for no reason, and made the whole epilogue seem depressing.
In the chapters leading up to the epilogue NS was practically canon and SS was about as dead as possible (Sasuke says he couldn't care less if she died, specifically says "I have no reason to like her.", and says both to Naruto and in his own head that Naruto's the only person left he considers a friend and has any bond with. Kishi even had Kakashi say "Sakura's not trying or wanting to make you her's! She only wants to save you!". He killed off SS from both sides, yet it's canon in the epilogue.
Then we have his statement on the last chapter saying he "accepted" the last story, that it brings "sorrowful" feelings, and in response to that says "NEVERTHELESS, I can speak clearly.".
His part in the series ends with the manga. After that the rights to the series are being given to someone else for Part 3. Whoever has to do with Part 3 obviously wanted to continue the series with a NH/SS ending, so they made him end it that way. Hence him "accepting" the end.
Yet he wanted to make it clear that it's not what he wanted and because of that made the epilogue ridiculous and nonsensical. He even still left hints to NS/SK. He has Sakura with the same bangs, hair clip, and height as Kushina and made SS's kid look like Karin.
Even without his statement it's obvious that this isn't the ending he was building up to. Now this just confirms even further that he's disappointed about it and had to "accept" it.
So basically, he still had NS planned for the end but SP (for the movie and anime) and SJ (for Part 3) forced him to end it with NH/SS instead. That's the only possible way to look at all of this besides just "Kishi sucks! He ruined everything!".

 

This too.  I would like if my quota wasn't empty.

 

Thinking that way, I feel bad for Kishimoto having to end his story like this.  Tomino, Gundam's creator, suffered a depression because of that kind of crap, and made sure one of his series bombed e.g. Gundam Victory.  He even stated that he wishes people wouldn't watch it.  Anyway, he's long since recovered, but yeah, what authors and screenwriters have to go through sometimes, because of marketing.

 

I hope someday in the future that Kishimoto draws again.  Learn from his mistakes in Naruto, particularly regarding females.  I don't really see the difficulty in that, just treat them no different from the men in his case.  I hope he would create a Naruto and Sakura expy in that story, and fulfill with them what he failed to do with NS.  They don't even have to be main characters.

[Gaara's hair]

MY CODING FAILED -sobs in embarrassment-



Also,Miguel can play that mandolin for me any time

HA HA

[Lady Lys]

MY CODING FAILED -sobs in embarrassment-



Also,Miguel can play that mandolin for me any time

[milan kyuubi]

Reposting this from movie thread!

 

I'll say it again! NS was real, then something happened behind the scene. Probably when the info about Naruto only having 5 chapters came out. That felt so rushed!

 

It's clear that even Kishi didn't like the ending! Look what he did. He shat upon everything!

 

What happened I don't know. But I think if anyone who had the power to force Kishi to do something he didn't want. It would be SJ! They probably already planed part 3. And made Kishi change his ending to suit their new story.

 

Heck the new story is not even being written by Kishi. Shows that he never even planed part 3. But the SJ wanted to milk more cash. Which will never work. Since it's something everybody know. In 99% sequels suck!

Edited by milan kyuubi, 08 November 2014 - 06:39 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

HA HA

D:< no more Hina/rocku for you!

[Nar123]

 
This.  It's like all the morals of the story just jumped out the window.  There was no surpassing generations in this story.  We're not even sure if the cycle of hatred ended.
 .

Lol, i agree
So true, it would be so good if the final battle was against madara after all, it would be even better if tobi wasn't obito "The coolest guy " uchiha

Edited by Nar123, 08 November 2014 - 06:58 PM.

[Gaara's hair]

D:< no more Hina/rocku for you!

Well sorry miss ginger bread eater

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Mad props for the best use of that gif yet XD