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[sushi.]

I don't see people bashing Sakura for violence anymore. That stuff is old.

 

However I do see statements like "It makes them brother and sister" or "Sakura hits Naruto when he does something stupid, Hinata is effective enough with only words!"

 

..which is also a form of misunderstanding. People take it too seriously.

 

That's pretty much it. I see it all because I'm a lurker at MF/NF/NB etc.. ;P

Edited by sushi., 16 August 2013 - 04:58 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It's weird but the rivalry became reverse did it not? Even though it has been shown that Naruto is definitely stronger than Sasuke and shown to compete with people that is bars higher than Sasuke's power level. Sure, Naruto uses the Nine-tails chakra, but Naruto was able to take one almost all the tailed beast by himself and not even sweat. Can Sasuke do that? I don't think so.

Yet, we have Naruto who probably still thinks he is weaker than Sasuke and Sasuke who doesn't care about rivaling Naruto at all. There is no real rivalry of Sasuke trying to best Naruto. He already thinks he is the best simply because he is an Uchiha. Which seems to be a problem with the Uchiha is simply too much pride, not too much love.

@NaruSaku4life3g

 

Then again, Tom and Jerry weren't really lovers and by today's standards cartoon violence is looked very harsh upon simply because parents think kids are impressionable. We grew up in a much different time where we watch cartoons with violence like Tom and Jerry, X-Men, Power Rangers, and such because we knew that violence was wrong and this was only entertainment. We didn't need people to tell us "Don't try this at home" because we knew it was dangerous. Sadly, no more with the newer generation. Not sure what happened, but it seems like parents are not teaching their kids the difference between a fictional world and reality.

Still this doesn't excuse older generations where at their youth, cartoon violence was comedy. It kind of reminds me of South Park and the movie about how they were going to execute Terrance and Phillip because one mother thought they were just too violent and disgusting yet not realizing that the it is just media and because the parents find that punishing the kids were not the way to go about solving the problem.

So why NS "violence" is looked down upon even though to the Japanese it is just comedy? Honestly, it could be just because they want Naruto to be with Hinata and find any excuse to bash Sakura into the ground. Which makes what I just said above completely irrelevant.
 

 

 

This one always had me confused when it came to people who said SS will end up in the end. Really, how can it end up when Sasuke really doesn't care about Sakura? I mean, He really doesn't care about her to the point that he doesn't care if she lives or dies. It's not just about not being in love with her, but at times he rather her be dead just so he doesn't have something of his past to remain.

You can't build a relationship off that and people try showing Part 1 stuff to prove it, but Part 1 Sasuke and Part 2 Sasuke are two different characters now. And this weird idea that Sasuke hates Naruto and wants to kill him, but supposedly loves Sakura unconditionally is rather stupid.

I think I like what Novinater once said: "Just because Sasuke was Sakura's first love does not mean it is her ONLY love."

I think he "cares" but it depends on the point of view, i woudl say she's not important, she was when he thought about his friends but she is for him on the same level of Ino, Shikamaru and others, she's not important but this is the reason why he doesnt love her, which SS claims, if there's a person he consider important to him is Naruto, i mean he says he want to kill him but we all know that what he really wants is to prove to Naruto that he's right because Naruto rejects Sasuke's way.

[Psychox]

About the 3rd point, I remember in the FoD she brought the "good" Sasuke back by hugging him. She never did anything like that post timeskip and it doesn't look like she intend to either. : / But If I was a SS fan, I would want a moment like that.

Yes..all these excuses makes my head spin. I feel like Kishi is crushing them one by one. XD You know the saying that Naruto would be Sakura's silverprize? Well the confession clearly tells me Naruto would never accept such a thing.

 

He wants it all or nothing.

 
Oh , but they do i was at the SS tag once, they expect  FOD hug number 2 in front of Naruto's very eyes , quite tactical , right?

    , of course who wouldn't? If i was Naruto i would say the EXACT same thing , all or nothing , so ... yeah . If she loves me she has to with all her heart.

[Psychox]

So why NS "violence" is looked down upon even though to the Japanese it is just comedy? Honestly, it could be just because they want Naruto to be with Hinata and find any excuse to bash Sakura into the ground. Which makes what I just said above completely irrelevant.
 

Exactly , they want Sakura to be with Sasuke and to suffer for the mental and physical damage she has caused Naruto. Hinata deserves him .

They don't want to see the mutual development between them , because it will crush  everything that they believed in aka patient love or the reward base system ..

Oh my scary

 

 

I don't see people bashing Sakura for violence anymore. That stuff is old.

 

However I do see statements like "It makes them brother and sister" or "Sakura hits Naruto when he does something stupid, Hinata is effective enough with only words!"

 

..which is also a form of misunderstanding. People take it too seriously.

 

That's pretty much it. I see it all because I'm a lurker at MF/NF/NB etc.. ;P

 

Mm, they still do , even if its old as my grandma they still bring it up .

Yep, they take it too seriously , even though this manga shows 12 year old boys trying to kill each other .

A lurker ? If you lurk in NB , do you have an account or just a spy ^^?

Edited by Psychox, 16 August 2013 - 05:36 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

I think he "cares" but it depends on the point of view, i woudl say she's not important, she was when he thought about his friends but she is for him on the same level of Ino, Shikamaru and others, she's not important but this is the reason why he doesnt love her, which SS claims, if there's a person he consider important to him is Naruto, i mean he says he want to kill him but we all know that what he really wants is to prove to Naruto that he's right because Naruto rejects Sasuke's way.

 

????

 

 "I think he "cares," but it depends on the point of view," What does that even mean? You either care or you don't. I don't even understand what you mean by the rest of what you typed.

The Naruto part is pretty simple, but I am not sure what you mean by Sakura to Sasuke is on the same level of Ino, Shikamaru, and Others.....so, she is nothing just like the rest of them? Even Sasuke said "I don't really care what you think of me." Although, I don't think we should mistake "caring" for "tactical advantage." Yeah people will argue that Sasuke saved Sakura when he returned, but he didn't save her cause he cared about her. He saved her because she is an asset. A tool. Losing the medic is bad from any standpoint.

He may have somewhat cared about her in Part 1, but now he is rather indifferent about her. And indifference is worse than outright hating her.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 16 August 2013 - 06:10 PM.

[Psychox]

 

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 "He cares, but it depends on the point of view" What does that even mean? You either care or you don't. I don't even understand what you mean by the rest of what you typed.

The Naruto part is pretty simple, but I am not sure what you mean by Sakura to Sasuke is on the same level of Ino, Shikamaru, and Others.....so, she is nothing just like the rest of them? Even Sasuke said "I don't really care what you think of me." Although, I don't think we should mistake "caring" for "tactical advantage." Yeah people will argue that Sasuke saved Sakura when he returned, but he didn't save her cause he cared about her. He saved her because she is an asset. A tool. Losing the medic is bad from any standpoint.

He may have somewhat cared about her in Part 1, but now he is rather indifferent about her. And indifference is worse than outright hating her.

I think he meant if you want Sasuke to end up with Sakura then you will say that he cares . Just guessing ^^.

[James S Cassidy]

I think he meant if you want Sasuke to end up with Sakura then you will say that he cares . Just guessing ^^.

 

Your guess is as good as mine. That first sentence kind of throws me off. Still, POVs is not the same as fact and truth be told, the facts show that Sasuke is indifferent about Sakura to the point of barely even recognizing her existence.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 16 August 2013 - 06:12 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I don't see people bashing Sakura for violence anymore. That stuff is old.

 

However I do see statements like "It makes them brother and sister" or "Sakura hits Naruto when he does something stupid, Hinata is effective enough with only words!"

 

..which is also a form of misunderstanding. People take it too seriously.

 

That's pretty much it. I see it all because I'm a lurker at MF/NF/NB etc.. ;P

Brother and sister, huh? Well, lately I have seen "brother and sister" becoming lovers. So long they're not by blood, but even then, I'm not so sure. I mean I have witness step siblings to become lovers or at least gain feelings. Also, if they are like that, that means I have seen so many brother and sister getting together then.

[Psychox]

 

Your guess is as good as mine. That first sentence kind of throws me off. Still, POVs is not the same as fact and truth be told, the facts show that Sasuke is indifferent about Sakura to the point of barely even recognizing her existence.

Do not forget that ''she filled his lonely existence ''  , so there you have it people like to put two characters together without proper interaction even without spending time with one other ,  without feelings , nothing, just because they want to .

But refuse to see the mutual development between NS .

[Hanabi]

When he trampled on her feelings (literally trampled on the apples) SS was pretty much out of the window.

[sushi.]

Do not forget that ''she filled his lonely existence ''  , so there you have it people like to put two characters together without proper interaction even without spending time with one other ,  without feelings , nothing, just because they want to .

But refuse to see the mutual development between NS .

With all these "brother and sister" arguments against NS, who's to say Sakura didn't fill his lonely existence..as his sister?

When he trampled on her feelings (literally trampled on the apples) SS was pretty much out of the window.

That's what it was for me too. They had nice moments in the FoD, but I threw the possibility of shipping them out of the window right there and then. He never apologized either. Did he ever apologize to Sakura for anything?

[Psychox]

With all these "brother and sister" arguments against NS, who's to say Sakura didn't fill his lonely existence..as his sister?

That's what it was for me too. They had nice moments in the FoD, but I threw the possibility of shipping them out of the window right there and then. He never apologized either. Did he ever apologize to Sakura for anything?

, LOL , Yep , I'd b sure to remember that ..

MMM, nope actually for nothing , he complicated her Genjustu talent so that he could fight the strong guys in the chuunin exams , even though he was the one who made her feel so down on her self in the first place.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Actually, FoD moments weren't positive at all. The last one was genjutsu moment. Honestly, that was all. To make matter worse in terms of pairing, he combined her worries and Naruto's into a Team 7 moment for him, not a one-on-one moment. So yeah, Sasuke is made to be a guy who wants to be in a family.

[Hanabi]

With all these "brother and sister" arguments against NS, who's to say Sakura didn't fill his lonely existence..as his sister?

Nice one! hahaha!

 

That's what it was for me too. They had nice moments in the FoD, but I threw the possibility of shipping them out of the window right there and then. He never apologized either. Did he ever apologize to Sakura for anything?

 

No. The biggest thing in SS was that he thanked her before leaving konoha.

[sushi.]

Actually, FoD moments weren't positive at all. The last one was genjutsu moment. Honestly, that was all. To make matter worse in terms of pairing, he combined her worries and Naruto's into a Team 7 moment for him, not a one-on-one moment. So yeah, Sasuke is made to be a guy who wants to be in a family.

I meant the moment Sakura hugged Sasuke, and she brought him back because he was about to be overtaken by the curse seal.

 

The best time for SS might be when they fought Gaara. Sasuke was nothing compared to what Naruto did for her, but he saved her bridal style a few times.

No. The biggest thing in SS was that he thanked her before leaving konoha.

What do you mean it's the biggest thing? I never said it wasn't.

[Hanabi]

I meant the moment Sakura hugged Sasuke, and she brought him back because he was about to be overtaken by the curse seal.

 

The best time for SS might be when they fought Gaara. Sasuke was nothing compared to what Naruto did for her, but he saved her bridal style a few times.

What do you mean it's the biggest thing? I never said it wasn't.

 

I was answering to this.

Did he ever apologize to Sakura for anything?

He never did apologize to her, so i was trying to say the most emotional thing sasuke said to sakura was his final gratitude to her before leaving konoha.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I meant the moment Sakura hugged Sasuke, and she brought him back because he was about to be overtaken by the curse seal.
 
The best time for SS might be when they fought Gaara. Sasuke was nothing compared to what Naruto did for her, but he saved her bridal style a few times.
What do you mean it's the biggest thing? I never said it wasn't.

Yeah, but the main problem is that he never took it to a new level or anything. He is the one that needs to step up. When Naruto get the nice moment, he don't need to do anything because he loves her already, so it's heavily effective that Sakura did all this when us audience supposed to believe she don't love Naruto in that way. Plus, how is that hug didn't make him anything nicer. He's still an kitten. Actually, the moment when he knocked the apple is what made me hate him and SS completely. I don't hate hate him, but I can't wait Naruto beat him. That will be my second best day next to NS.

[sushi.]

Yeah, but the main problem is that he never took it to a new level or anything. He is the one that needs to step up. When Naruto get the nice moment, he don't need to do anything because he loves her already, so it's heavily effective that Sakura did all this when us audience supposed to believe she don't love Naruto in that way. Plus, how is that hug didn't make him anything nicer. He's still an a**hole. Actually, the moment when he knocked the apple is what made me hate him and SS completely. I don't hate hate him, but I can't wait Naruto beat him. That will be my second best day next to NS.

The first sentence..exactly. The opportunity for SS was opened, but Kishi never took it to the next level.

 

You could say I hate Sasuke as a fictional person, but I'm neutral to his character. Does that make sense?

 

I was answering to this.

He never did apologize to her, so i was trying to say the most emotional thing sasuke said to sakura was his final gratitude to her before leaving konoha.

I truly believe he meant that "Thank you". He was grateful to all she did for him(cried for him, comforted him etc), but wanted to end it there and then. Which worked, because 2 years later he is completely indifferent to her.

[Paptala]

I meant the moment Sakura hugged Sasuke, and she brought him back because he was about to be overtaken by the curse seal.

 

The best time for SS might be when they fought Gaara. Sasuke was nothing compared to what Naruto did for her, but he saved her bridal style a few times.

What do you mean it's the biggest thing? I never said it wasn't.

I don't really agree that the Gaara fight is the best time for SasuSaku - If you compare his reactions to when Naruto was in danger during that fight (shouting and desperate look on his face) and to when Karin was in danger during the Kirabi fight (desperate look on his face and awakening a new power to save her), its clear that his bond with Sakura isn't on the same level as his bonds with the abovementioned two.  His expressions regarding Sakura the entire fight were completely apathetic/stoic - we never saw him worry overly about her, even if he did tell Naruto to save Sakura and run, even if he did tell Pakkun to watch over her, it still wasn't on the same level as what he's shown for Naruto and Karin - not to mention what he's shown for Itachi.

 

Heck, even when Sakura confesses to him, and he thanks her, we only get apathy and a smirk.  Naruto and Karin have gotten genuine smiles from him, one the only apology he's ever given, and the other had several characters say that only he can save Sasuke from the darkness.  Where is Sakura's bond with Sasuke pointed out as unique or standing above his other bonds?  It isn't.

 

I'm not even arguing in favor of NaruSasu or SasuKarin, simply pointing out how ridiculous the argument that Sasuke is in love with/will fall in love with Sakura just because she still loves him and his redemption is inevitable when he's shown so much more emotion for other people, one even in a smilar situation as Sakura (a femal teammate whom he's tried to kill still in love with him).

Edited by Paptala, 16 August 2013 - 07:32 PM.

[sushi.]

I don't really agree that the Gaara fight is the best time for SasuSaku - If you compare his reactions to when Naruto was in danger during that fight (shouting and desperate look on his face) and to when Karin was in danger during the Kirabi fight (desperate look on his face and awakening a new power to save her), its clear that his bond with Sakura isn't on the same level as his bonds with the abovementioned two.  His expressions regarding Sakura the entire fight were completely apathetic/stoic - we never saw him worry overly about her, even if he did tell Naruto to save Sakura and run, even if he did tell Pakkun to watch over her, it still wasn't on the same level as what he's shown for Naruto and Karin - not to mention what he's shown for Itachi.

 

Heck, even when Sakura confesses to him, and he thanks her, we only get apathy and a smirk.  Naruto and Karin have gotten genuine smiles from him, one the only apology he's ever given, and the other had several characters say that only he can save Sasuke from the darkness.  Where is Sakura's bond with Sasuke pointed out as unique or standing above his other bonds?  It isn't.

 

I'm not even arguing in favor of NaruSasu or SasuKarin, simply pointing out how ridiculous the argument that Sasuke is in love with/will fall in love with Sakura just because she still loves him and his redemption is inevitable when he's shown so much more emotion for other people, one even in a smilar situation as Sakura (a femal teammate whom he's tried to kill still in love with him).

I agree that what he feels for Sakura is nothing compared to what he feels for Naruto, Karin and most of all Itachi. But I was not trying to compare his bond with Sakura to his bond with others.

 

I'm not saying he could've fallen in love with Sakura then either, because SS doesn't necessarily mean romantic to me. Maybe I should've been more clear about that, but I meant that that was the time their bond was strongest, because his bond with team 7 was strongest then, in my opinion. He had opened up to them, but not yet fallen to the darkness completely. Sasuke cared for Sakura, but as a part of team 7. He never highlighted her like he did Naruto.

Edited by sushi., 16 August 2013 - 07:40 PM.