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[NarutoUzumaki01]

Funny how we will never see the process and all that. Because everyone knows there's nothing you can do. Hell, with NS, there are tons of potentials to mess around. You got a strict mom and very carefree dad; that's like comedy waiting to unfold. Nope. Instead, we got highly questionable bland pairing that has no perk to go for.

You can create whole part 4 of flashbacks for time between 699 and 700. The amount of BS and stupidity Kishimoto could place in 40 pages is beyong huge, beacuse it's closure for 15 years of story. And people like it, because two famous self-insert characters got everything they ever wanted. Price for that - destroyed characters, logic of story, builed up till now parallels, foreshadowed scenes and reasons of almost any character that didn't die in the end. For only purpose of milking franchise name. Hail to the King.

[luffyq1]

Agree. Plus Quarterbacks from around the league have said they've done the same thing, but it's only a big deal because it's the pats.

lol remember when the pats lost against the chiefs earlier this season? 

 

[Nostradamus]

 

it's normal that Himawari is an abomination. After all, she cleans wcs with that hairstyle.

  Oh my God.

Can you imagine what the kids in school are doing with her. Every time someone pees on the floor or makes a mess, they grab her by legs and use her hair to clean the floor.

[Swagkura]

himawari is an abomination and bolt is a poor man's naruto.

Yeah, Bolt's honestly not that bad, but he is a Naruto redux. Himawari definitely should've never existed.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Hey guys, sorry to do this, but this has been weighing on my mind for a while

When I started reading part 2 and saw sakura's growing respect, admiration, connection with naruto, with her treating him similarly to how she treated sasuke in part one, sasuke's abandoning her and breaking team 7's one rule, as well as sakura herself never really saying how she felt one way or the other until chapter 540, I really thought that narusaku could have happened. But now, after going to all of the other news sites and reading all of the other fans comments, I've gotten really demoralized about narusaku's development and what I thought made for a good pairing. I'm not gonna lie, it really hurts for me to think about this pairing now and how all of our connection had been written off as only platonic/brother& sister , and or them getting closer to sasuke.

Sakura's unwavering and illogical romantic love for sasuke in part 1 and the last end of 2, apparently with it being even stronger than when he left, hinata trying to save naruto, neji dying so naruto and hinata could grow closer, and sakura's false confession. Those were all it took to put us down as a pairing. Out of all of this, I hate how sakura's false confession essentially made her sound like a bandwagon jumper for naruto when she herself had been, from what I could see before 469, growing closer and more affectionate than most to naruto and actually getting to know him. Also, what happened to what she said at the end of chapter 459 about not wanting to make another mistake about naruto? Was I really so wrong in thinking she could have fallen for naruto when he had already changed so many people and their convictions when they've had these convictions that lasted longer and more intensely than sakura's love for sasuke? Why couldn't she lose romantic interest in sasuke?Could she have written off her love for him as her being, you know, 12 and not knowing what love is and just really want him back in the same way naruto did when she was 16? Why were Hinata's and Sakura's romantic interest given more consideration than Naruto's, especially considering he's the main character and he was willing to sacrifice so much for Sakura? Why couldn't she fall for naruto?

Because Kishimoto didn't wrote it, in the end of Pain arc, Sakura shows how much she cared for Naruto, not only as her friend. But after that arc, Kishimoto forced that crap about being in love with Sasuke, when Sakura overgrowth already. But Kishimoto changed his mind. If it all was "platonic" then there is good part of manga - have no reason from both sides. Because you clearly can ask why both of them never talked about that confession after that, or why Naruto aka Main Character didn't get to confess his feelings, and till the very end showed care and intrest for Sakura. Author that coudn't handle characters properly - that what made things impossible. And about other fans, be it NH that saw it "all along" - when there was nothing, or SS - that likes Sakura around Sasuke, when she become lost in the dark kitten that asks for help. Both fandoms really twisted with this "platonic/non-existens/brootp" kitten they brought after ending.

[tekopi]

Hey guys, sorry to do this, but this has been weighing on my mind for a while

When I started reading part 2 and saw sakura's growing respect, admiration, connection with naruto, with her treating him similarly to how she treated sasuke in part one, sasuke's abandoning her and breaking team 7's one rule, as well as sakura herself never really saying how she felt one way or the other until chapter 540, I really thought that narusaku could have happened. But now, after going to all of the other news sites and reading all of the other fans comments, I've gotten really demoralized about narusaku's development and what I thought made for a good pairing. I'm not gonna lie, it really hurts for me to think about this pairing now and how all of our connection had been written off as only platonic/brother& sister , and or them getting closer to sasuke.

Sakura's unwavering and illogical romantic love for sasuke in part 1 and the last end of 2, apparently with it being even stronger than when he left, hinata trying to save naruto, neji dying so naruto and hinata could grow closer, and sakura's false confession. Those were all it took to put us down as a pairing. Out of all of this, I hate how sakura's false confession essentially made her sound like a bandwagon jumper for naruto when she herself had been, from what I could see before 469, growing closer and more affectionate than most to naruto and actually getting to know him. Also, what happened to what she said at the end of chapter 459 about not wanting to make another mistake about naruto? Was I really so wrong in thinking she could have fallen for naruto when he had already changed so many people and their convictions when they've had these convictions that lasted longer and more intensely than sakura's love for sasuke? Why couldn't she lose romantic interest in sasuke?Could she have written off her love for him as her being, you know, 12 and not knowing what love is and just really want him back in the same way naruto did when she was 16? Why were Hinata's and Sakura's romantic interest given more consideration than Naruto's, especially considering he's the main character and he was willing to sacrifice so much for Sakura? Why couldn't she fall for naruto?

Simple. It defies Kishi's Logic.

[AHK]

lol remember when the pats lost against the chiefs earlier this season? 
 

Lmfao I was laughing the whole time after that game. To say such things as Tom Brady is done was laughable, I'm glad that they had to eat their words.

Lol Jerome Bettis just said on SC that "if it was a Tennessee or a Jacksonville team, it wouldn't be a big deal, but because it's New England, it is." Media double standards at its finest.

[Chatte]

Because Kishimoto didn't wrote it, in the end of Pain arc, Sakura shows how much she cared for Naruto, not only as her friend. But after that arc, Kishimoto forced that crap about being in love with Sasuke, when Sakura overgrowth already. But Kishimoto changed his mind. If it all was "platonic" then there is good part of manga - have no reason from both sides. Because you clearly can ask why both of them never talked about that confession after that, or why Naruto aka Main Character didn't get to confess his feelings, and till the very end showed care and intrest for Sakura. Author that coudn't handle characters properly - that what made things impossible. And about other fans, be it NH that saw it "all along" - when there was nothing, or SS - that likes Sakura around Sasuke, when she become lost in the dark kitten that asks for help. Both fandoms really twisted with this "platonic/non-existens/brootp" kitten they brought after ending.

Actually I think that's where the popularity problem began, the whole Hinata is better than Sakura, Sakura is a kitten for using Naruto for his feelings, bla blah, kitten.

 

Think about the under layers of both their confessions - Hinata's is written off as selfish (she even says it) but she faces Pein and with SP's help, she magically transforms in this warrior despite manga showing otherwise, while Sakura's one is written as selfless but realistic. Kishi even insists that she was honest in the interview where people tell him that Sakura used Naruto and that Hinata would make a better heroine.

Because the public all that has in its mind is the Pein episode, not how Hinata was really written off and the dangers she caused. And with Sakura well... we all know.

So that's why up until there everything is okay but then the War Arc starts pushing more NH/SS... because the decision has been made up until now, but they want to keep everyone engaged because ... reasons. And thus ta-da here we are today.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Actually I think that's where the popularity problem began, the whole Hinata is better than Sakura, Sakura is a b*tch for using Naruto for his feelings, bla blah, kitten.

 

Think about the under layers of both their confessions - Hinata's is written off as selfish (she even says it) but she faces Pein and with SP's help, she magically transforms in this warrior despite manga showing otherwise, while Sakura's one is written as selfless but realistic. Kishi even insists that she was honest in the interview where people tell him that Sakura used Naruto and that Hinata would make a better heroine.

Because the public all that has in its mind is the Pein episode, not how Hinata was really written off and the dangers she caused. And with Sakura well... we all know.

So that's why up until there everything is okay but then the War Arc starts pushing more NH/SS... because the decision has been made up until now, but they want to keep everyone engaged because ... reasons. And thus ta-da here we are today.

I always saw those confession as something other. For Hinata - it was closure of her thing with Naruto, so she could grown up in some other way but be around nardo-kuning. And Sakura I never saw it as she uses Naruto, she just tried to save him, her feelings was there, but not in that amount to sound honest, because she didn't have any closure with Sasuke, after bridge scene - everythnig could be over with SS, Sakura just coudn't kill him because she knew him way before he became evil, nothing romantic or anything. But that's only my logic in here. Kishimoto belive that doing nothing for 7 years, and one jump in front of stronger opponent for getting your ass handed to you, means more then selfless doings for person and putting her happines above your own. I can say thank you for not destroying NS with pittiful scene in manga (oh wait, there is 2 extra pages in 72nd volume). But even if I wasn't fan of NS, I will remember how f**cked up Naruto's character was handed, come on, none on his goal was fulfilled for 100%, not even one in right way. But people will say "salty" because you know... someone cared not only for Hinata getting her D. But about main hero and I don't mean Sasuke.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 22 January 2015 - 03:05 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Too much good posts. Out of likes!

[FireFox]

Actually I think that's where the popularity problem began, the whole Hinata is better than Sakura, Sakura is a b*tch for using Naruto for his feelings, bla blah, kitten.

 

Think about the under layers of both their confessions - Hinata's is written off as selfish (she even says it) but she faces Pein and with SP's help, she magically transforms in this warrior despite manga showing otherwise, while Sakura's one is written as selfless but realistic. Kishi even insists that she was honest in the interview where people tell him that Sakura used Naruto and that Hinata would make a better heroine.

Because the public all that has in its mind is the Pein episode, not how Hinata was really written off and the dangers she caused. And with Sakura well... we all know.

So that's why up until there everything is okay but then the War Arc starts pushing more NH/SS... because the decision has been made up until now, but they want to keep everyone engaged because ... reasons. And thus ta-da here we are today.

To be honest  except 615  NH wasn't really pushed  and SS wasn't even there  in fact it was even more destructive then ever  and if we count every moment since War Arc  NS still had more meaningful scenes  then NH/SS combined and it was more from Sakura's side then Naruto's . It was all leading to NS until  675 this is where I think he changed his pace  when Kishimoto start making Sakura look pathetic  but even then he was still adding more NS sign .But  no matter how we slice it its all just BS  and one Retcon after another . 

[NarutoUzumaki01]

To be honest  except 615  NH wasn't really pushed  and SS wasn't even there  in fact it was even more destructive then ever  and if we count every moment since War Arc  NS still had more meaningful scenes  then NH/SS combined and it was more from Sakura's side then Naruto's . It was all leading to NS until  675 this is where I think he changed his pace  when Kishimoto start making Sakura look pathetic  but even then he was still adding more NS sign .But  no matter how we slice it its all just BS  and one Retcon after another . 

So much of this. If NH had their 615 that was platonic (oi salty one  !) SS - didn't have nothing, and amount of NS on this war was much bigger and much deeper then everything that got for their NH/SS delusions. Because mangaka himself told that NH wasn't there, he didn't have any intend on doing it. If anything was put in manga to even create visuality of NH, it was only fore teasing and not making NS to amount of Natsu and Lucy in FT.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It wasn't even fleshed out right. The "red herring" got more convincing pairing moment than the others. That's so sad. This is why pairing war exist because at times, people like what they see though know it can't be done hence crack pairing. At other times, people reads the story and adapt to its universe and care for the story, hence the writing of "you want to see the protagonist to succeed." You do that, you win their attention.

Going back to NS. NS got more realistic approach as things remain the same, almost to the point that Naruto and Sakura are "two-face". There's a reason why Sakura shined through Naruto only aspect. We're not saying it because of our pairing choice. We're saying it because that was written. That's why we can't engage towards SS because of two things:

1) Presented in a negative light to the point it's considered abusive.
2) Another pairing is shown greatly in comparison.

It's no denying that NS did exist to become canon because of use of romantic undertone writing. It's basically what you see in all different stories and usually either become canon or just remain friends but they're not paired with someone else. It's embarassing when you read other series and noticed the similarities, only that the other one goes all the way.

In short, this series lost the meaning of a journey worth going for. When things keep going circle, revisiting problems that was once ended, and change the course by the end, then the end doesn't justify the mean. The end is the mean.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 22 January 2015 - 03:20 PM.

[Nar123]

kikittenmoto is an kitten instead of deciding on one pairing and following accordingly he kept the ship teases going on till the end, bastard

[NarutoUzumaki01]

kikittenmoto is an a**hole instead of deciding on one pairing and following accordingly he kept the ship teases going on till the end, bastard

Good question, please watch the movie ©.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Good question, please watch the movie ©.

Lmao. I remember that post that has so many questions and all of them are answered the same thing as you wrote it.

[Nar123]

You guys should read this

 

http://gweatherwax.t...right-person-to

 

 

The initial box office revenues from The Last were artificially boosted by early ticket sales which were not refunded when the movie plot came out.

What happened was that a whole lot of people who never cared about Naruhina or any pairing bought those early tickets because the first 100,000 fans who got their tickets early got original comic covers drawn by Kishimoto himself. There are three in total, one each for Naruto, Sasuke and Kakashi, and there was also a 1.5 million issue exclusive booklet for people who bought the tickets.

So people got hyped up about that - and the fact that in Japan practically the entirety of the promo material featured Sasuke and Kakashi, NOT Hinata, so you can imagine the uproar when the entire plot leaked and people who don’t care about Naruhina, and especially the Sasuke and Kakashi fans (who btw are the 2 most beloved Naruto characters in Japan, Naruto himself is like the 3rd or 4th and Hinata is like way, WAY lower, lower than Sakura even) - and spent 4.25 million dollars in tickets just for the first weekend (there’s word that pre-sales went well over a month). That was registered as the largest B.O. for a Naruto movie weekend release.

After the first weekend, not only the no-refund scandal roared but also the plot leaks made the movie’s reputation drop a lot in Japan. Currently (January 2015) Studio Pierrot boasts something around 16 million dollars in ticket sales, which would make it earn 4 million dollars more than RtN did.

However, according to what I’ve read around the interwebs, The Last cost over 12 million dollars, while RtN cost something around 4 million dollars (the equivalent of a 13 episode season).

And that’s where The Last shows its true floptastic colors: a movie has to make several times its production costs to be considered profitable, not only because it has to pay production, marketing and distribution costs at home, but it has to do so worldwide AND pay for the costs of dvd production, marketing and distribution before the dvds are sold.

Naruto The Last has, according to the budget figures, hardly paid for its own estimated costs, and that’s not counting on the extra interviews that SP had to set up with the cast and Kishimoto to try to defuse the outrage or the amount of extra media incentive (TV shows - including news programs - newspapers, blogs, magazines, vlogs and social media experts are paid to counter-damage public discontent over products everywhere in the world, and that IS legal because you don’t have to blatantly lie about the product, you just have to not publish or broadcast the complaints and most people - who unfortunately are quite stupid - will think there’s nothing wrong with the product at all).

All that costs a crap load of money, and that is probably why the movie is schedule to release on a measly 20 theaters in the USA in February, which is honestly a ridiculously low number for a movie that has to make at least 36 million dollars in worldwide box office sales to escape flop status when compared to its predecessor (because RtN made 3 times its cost in sales).

Just so you can gauge for yourself how important it is for an anime to open in a large number of USA theaters, I give you this link which is for the Box Office Mojo website, showing the lifetime b.o. earnings of Anime in the USA, classified from largest to smallest.

Check how many 20 theater opening anime actually made over a million dollars lifetime b.o. sales and see if there’s any real, honest hope for Naruto to make the amount of money it needs to do in order not to flop.

I hope I have explained more or less why the idea that The Last is a success doesn’t stand.

[NarutoUzumaki01]

Lmao. I remember that post that has so many questions and all of them are answered the same thing as you wrote it.

"Movie about bonds". As kitten.

You guys should read this
 
http://gweatherwax.t...right-person-to

Did it, and I expect for one person to ask about it.

Edited by NarutoUzumaki01, 22 January 2015 - 03:34 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

"Movie about bonds". As kitten.

Shikamaru: I'm here because reasons.

Sai: I'm here to try to let everyone know that I'm Team 7! Wait, that's about to die? Oh...Useless.

Kakashi: I'm here as the Hokage to avoid any actions since I can't fight without Sharingan at all.

Sasuke: I'm here to fool the audience of my relevant.

Sakura: I'm here to make NH fans love me but further derail my heroine status and character. I hate this sh-

Hinata: I'm here to tell you that the manga is filler and this is canon when I say it is.

Naruto: I'm here to assassinate myself as a role model, a character, and the protagonist. I just let other dreams come true while mine get alternated. I am the greatest of all time.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 22 January 2015 - 03:35 PM.

[Narufan85]

It really comes down to this, and I apologize if I get too deep here, or if this makes no sense.

 

A manga like Naruto is fictional. That's pretty darn obvious. But what drew me to NS was the fact that it felt like the most realistic pairing in Naruto. Naruto and Sakura both had their faults in Part I. That's really obvious. But they grew and matured together. There was a sense of mutual respect and admiration that developed between the two. They each helped the other person grow and be better. And really, isn't that what you want from a partner? Someone who stands beside you and supports you as you strive to accomplish your goals? They see you at your best and your worst and they still care for you. That's NS.

 

You don't see that from the other pairings. Sure, there's some parts in Part I where Hinata reflects on how Naruto makes her want to be better. But you never see that fleshed out. You never see her become clan head, or gain the respect of her father. She's always on the sidelines fawning after Naruto. And most importantly, you never really see Hinata supporting Naruto's quest to become Hokage like you do with Sakura.

As for SS, that's pretty obvious. Sakura is always reduced to her worst when Sasuke is involved. Even in 699, she's back to being that insecure, pathetic 12-year old.

 

That's why these pairings are unsatisfying to me. Sure, a lot of it is because my OTP lost. But it's also because I saw how realistic and satisfying NS was.

 

Oh what could have been.