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[Verilance]

Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura dynamic has its roots in Slam Dunk this is nothing new Kishimoto admitted this years ago

 

that is what you should expect and what you actually get...

[TouKen4Life3g]

Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura dynamic has its roots in Slam Dunk this is nothing new Kishimoto admitted this years ago
 
that is what you should expect and what you actually get...

True. Though I wonder why that manga never got the right conclusion people hoped for.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

True. Though I wonder why that manga never got the right conclusion people hoped for.

The ending was so good that people spreaded gossip saying that the author died on a car accident years ago.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The ending was so good that people spreaded gossip saying that the author died on a car accident years ago.

Really? I was late in the game watching/reading the series.

[rocci]

@darkrest & James
That's what happen when kishi "force" naru sasu the last fight in this manga. That mean he should make naruto and sasuke equal while the truth is rival character never mean to equal. Just look at the other jump battle manga for example: no matter how strong zorro, Luffy will always strongest, no mater how strong vegeta, goku will always stronger than him, and no mater how strong ishida, ichigo will always stronger than him.

But now in order to make sasuke equal, kishi need to make naruto pathetic early in part two until let's say kage summit. And all thing about jinchuriki and uzumaki didn't develop well enough.

Oh and uchiha is special because they're the saiyan of this manga. You know the angrier they are, the stronger they become.

[redragon88]

Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura dynamic has its roots in Slam Dunk this is nothing new Kishimoto admitted this years ago

 

that is what you should expect and what you actually get...

 

That's true, although that brings the question of whether or not Kishi will dare give proper closure to his romance when the author of Slam Dunk left it all up in the air.

 

I haven't seen the series but from what I've heard Sakuragi (the Naruto) tried to confess to Haruko (the Sakura) but backed out at the last minute. Haruko make a conscious realization that Rukawa (the Sasuke) will never like her and mentally forces herself not to like him anymore, but despite that it seems she still retained her feelings for him until the end.

 

What Haruko did actually reminds me of Sakura mentally forcing herself not to love Sasuke in the Summit arc.

 

Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about the conclusion of Slam Dunk. What I mentioned up there was what I've heard only.

 

On one hand stuff like chapter 631, which fulfilled a foreshadowing of over a 100 chapters in the making, makes it clear that Sakura is Naruto's destined one. On the other hand, you have Sakura's ridiculously overdrawn feelings for Sasuke. One side makes it feel like Kishi will give a conclusion to Sakura's feelings, and the other makes you think that it will probably be left up in the air.

 

Let's be honest, despite Sakura's feelings there's no chance that Sasuke will reciprocate them unless he's put in a genjutsu. Sasuke's constant lack of interest for Sakura outside of Team 7 margins makes it clear he doesn't have a romantic interest for her and it would be abnormal for him to develop one now. Add that to Sasuke probably knowing that Naruto is in fact in love with her, plus him knowing that Naruto makes Sakura very happy (seeing her smile after telling her about Naruto saving her), I wouldn't be surprised if Sasuke actually wanted them to get together.

 

All that said the logical conclusions are either Naruto and Sakura finally getting together, or it's left an ambiguous mess like it was for Slam Dunk. Although, I also heard that love wasn't as focused or as dramatic in Slam Dunk as it was for Naruto, so that might be the indicator that Kishi does intent to take the romance even further than his predecessor did.

[rocci]

@verrilance & redragon
Yes it is.
But unlike slam dunk, naruto setting didn't allow it to happen. I mean naruto is a generations battle manga using fantasy setting, while slam dunk is a school life sport manga with modern setting and that allow takehiko inoe to not resolve the love triangle.

[TouKen4Life3g]

The huge difference between that and Naruto is this one has highly devoted to dream coming true as well as really build around the concept of many things, leaving an actual conclusion. In short, if Naruto ends with open ending, it will be much much worse than Slam Dunk and it's not because of fandom. It's the story that is telling. Slam Dunk had a different direction, as in not trying to tell you a meaning of life or something, rather the passion of basketball as well as teamwork. Sports series, for whatever reason, seems to neglect romance altogether if not never concludes it. It's always bromance in a way. Heck, even Kishi's one shot has bromance. To be fair, there are romance aspect in some sport, just rare.

Anyway, this is Kishi's first mainstream manga and I can't help but feel confident that we will get an a proper ending. Is the ending will have everything we wanted? Hard to say, because we may be hoping for epilogue, hoping for marriage, hoping for anything, but the minimum like NS confirmation is going to happen. Again, Kishi worked a lot of these focuses and if he admits that he's the guy who wants a conclusion for everything, we're in safe hand.

[Phantom_999]

Actually Naruto and Sakura's relationship is pretty much perfect right now. Well not absolutely perfect (no Relationship is), but I mean that they do not need to understand each other any deeper than right now. They are already displaying the qualities of true love, and all they need to do now is just to confess to each other. Well for their their relationship upgrade to  being lovers. but you know even if they don't end up together (hypothetically speaking) I'm cool with that because the affection they displayed towards each other shows to be too strong to break over something like not being together. Not saying I want them to go with Hinata of Sasuke respectively but if it did come down to that, just remember this. Naruto and Sakura show that they love one another the most and even if they are not together the link between them will still remain, and they show us what an Ideal relationship is; not about looks or comfort, but to accept each other completely for who they are and to do anything for the other's  well being and happiness even if it is a little selfish on their part.

 

While Hinata may hint at being capable of doing that there is no screen time depicting her showing such a close connection with Naruto, and to be honest I find the whole " Naruto-kun is the universe to me" a wee bit shallow. I mean I say Naruto and Sakura love each other most of all, but they are capable if thinking of others too, and that's what makes their characters rich and diverse. Hinata is all about Naruto, and let's be fair, if she wasn't thinking about Naruto for a few seconds, then her concern or regard for the other person is instantly overshadowed by her concern/regard to Naruto. Really I'm sure Kishi is trying to make her a Naruto fan girl to compensate for all the fan girls Sasuke had in his youth. I like Hinata, and as I said I have nothing against her character, but she ain't going anywhere in terms of development. The proof is none other than the fact that her own identical cousin died. Y'know, HER FAMILY that threw himself in front of those branches to protect her,ending with his life snuffed out, and then she revolves her determination and inspiration back to Naruto again right  after. If there was actually a point to her character besides being Naruto's only 100% worshiper, I 'd like to see it sometime in the near future. 

 

Sasuke and Sakura, Well okay let's give them a shot, Sasuke , somehow realizes that he has feelings for Sakura. BUT from what we've seen here, he is a living avatar of revenge that puts nothing else above his vendetta, And If Naruto is no exception what are the chances Sakura would be? Right now Sasuke even seems to want to erase the past including his own best friend. So I would have to wonder if he'd put any effort into a relationship with Sakura or even Karin. Even after he apologized to the latter he still felt uncomfortable with being touched by a woman.  Now not meaning to torpedo SasukeX ships here but that's the gist of his Personality, So I can't see him with any Narutoverse girl personally in existence till he changes his attitude. Else the perfect match for him would be a female Sasuke, har har har.   Not literally, but if he found a girl as obsessed with revenge and being cold to others as he is they'd make the perfect couple. That said, I ship Sasuke with some girls, it's just as he is now, I can't say those relationships would last

 

 *note* *my 3000th post!!!!!!!!!*     

Edited by Phantom_999, 16 August 2013 - 06:17 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Actually Naruto and Sakura's relationship is pretty much perfect right now. Well not absolutely perfect (no Relationship is), but I mean that they do not need to understand each other any deeper than right now. They are already displaying the qualities of true love, and all they need to do now is just to confess to each other. Well for their their relationship upgrade to  being lovers. but you know even if they don't end up together (hypothetically speaking) I'm cool with that because the affection they displayed towards each other shows to be too strong to break over something like not being together. Not saying I want them to go with Hinata of Sasuke respectively but if it did come down to that, just remember this. Naruto and Sakura show that they love one another the most and even if they are not together the link between them will still remain, and they show us what an Ideal relationship is; not about looks or comfort, but to accept each other completely for who they are and to do anything for the other's  well being and happiness even if it is a little selfish on their part. *note* *my 3000th post!!!!!!!!!*     

Congrats.

 

To be honest, leaving it open would be chickening it out. Honestly, after his writing lately, I don't see him doing such thing, which is good. Besides, he already shows he has...you know...to make NH a normal friendly pairing. Plus, he's in too deep, so I think he's comfortable where he stands.

[Psychox]

 

It's just the way Kishimoto made their Kekkei Genkai function, the bigger the feeling is, the stronger gets the user's eyes so it's fair to assume the Uchiha are more susceptible to such strong feelings than other regular people even in an evolutionary point of view. It's also obviously a move to give the clan a little sympathy from the readers with that feeling "their love is too strong that's why they kill people"

 

But if you ask me their love is nothing but pure selfishness. They value people from their clan a whole lot more than any other person on the planet, going as far as to don't even care about hundreds of families that can be killed only for them to achieve their goals.

 

But there's still hope for the clan as some members are much more mature on this aspect as mentioned.

 

That's just an excuse nothing more . I love so much my brother so i am gonna kill little children along with my best friend and my team mates which i once called family . When does that begin to make sense? Now that Sasuke has heard the story from Hashirama and Tobirama's explanation about the Sharingan he should reconsider going this dark road , cuz lets face it he hasn't changed . As much as some people cling to the hope  and words of Naruto that team 7 will have a happy ending , something he said under the samurai bridge , the way the story has progressed its almost impossible , unless somehting is done with those eyes of his ... Heck, some people believe that Naruto and Sasuke will have a friendly match between them for the Hokage thrown between chaps and they will leave happily ever after , then Sasuke is redeemed back in the leaf , somehow he then magically develops feelings out of nowhere for Sakura , marries her then ''revives'' the Uchiha clan aaaaand Naruto is probably gonna be dead . His crimes and the negativity he has done is of no concern , not to mention that no one wants him back except Naruto ,Sakura and Kakashi , who will recommend him for Hokage , when nobody trust or acknowledges him , i think that he will become Madara 2.0.

The thing is that he chose those options his whole life , he left the leaf on his own he went to Orochimaru on his own , he learn ''the truth'' about Itachi decided to walk in darkness than to be redeemed .
The story from Hashi and Tobirama was meaningless . He hasn't changed an micro meter not by  a long shot.

I've ranted about this , i think that that is the massage of the manga , selfish vs selfless love which selfless has to triumph over selfish .
 

[Superman333]

 

That's just an excuse nothing more . I love so much my brother so i am gonna kill little children along with my best friend and my team mates which i once called family . When does that begin to make sense? Now that Sasuke has heard the story from Hashirama and Tobirama's explanation about the Sharingan he should reconsider going this dark road , cuz lets face it he hasn't changed . As much as some people cling to the hope  and words of Naruto that team 7 will have a happy ending , something he said under the samurai bridge , the way the story has progressed its almost impossible , unless somehting is done with those eyes of his ... Heck, some people believe that Naruto and Sasuke will have a friendly match between them for the Hokage thrown between chaps and they will leave happily ever after , then Sasuke is redeemed back in the leaf , somehow he then magically develops feelings out of nowhere for Sakura , marries her then ''revives'' the Uchiha clan aaaaand Naruto is probably gonna be dead . His crimes and the negativity he has done is of no concern , not to mention that no one wants him back except Naruto ,Sakura and Kakashi , who will recommend him for Hokage , when nobody trust or acknowledges him , i think that he will become Madara 2.0.

The thing is that he chose those options his whole life , he left the leaf on his own he went to Orochimaru on his own , he learn ''the truth'' about Itachi decided to walk in darkness than to be redeemed .
The story from Hashi and Tobirama was meaningless . He hasn't changed an micro meter not by  a long shot.

I've ranted about this , i think that that is the massage of the manga , selfish vs selfless love which selfless has to triumph over selfish .
 

I just heard something ridiculous and this person said NaruSaku revolves around Sasuke . wtf .?

[Psychox]

I just heard something ridiculous and this person said NaruSaku revolves around Sasuke . wtf .?

Oh, you're not the first one to hear that , my debate with the SS fan (girl) went in  the same pattern , show him the NS hug or when Sakura wanted to preserve Naruto's dream , for  the rest PM me .

Seriously , people shoot themselfs  in the foot with those arguments ..
 

Edited by Psychox, 16 August 2013 - 12:15 PM.

[sushi.]

I just heard something ridiculous and this person said NaruSaku revolves around Sasuke . wtf .?

Only in the beginning. The PoAL which was completely on Naruto's side, then the moment Sakura decided to help him so they could bring Sasuke back together. In my opinion Sakura gave up on this and forfeited from the quest in the Kage Summit. She doesn't have faith in Sasuke anymore, as an individual. As a teammember, Naruto gives her hope that Team 7 can laugh again. It is important to notice the difference.

 

You know what also makes me kinda happy, that may be an unpopular opinion? Sakura didn't drop her feelings for Sasuke because of how evil he has become. She still has feelings for him even though he is not the nicest guy in the world. This shows that Sakura will not get over him because he is evil, and choose "the nice guy".

 

In my opinion, she will get over him because;

1. How distant and unknown to her he has become.

2. They haven't had a moment for years, in fact most of the part 2 SS interaction is murder attempt 1 and 2.

3. She has been shocked and disappointed of Sasuke's current behavior, but not expressed a slightest desire or wish that he could change, unlike Naruto. This makes me question if she still wants "her old Sasuke" back.

 

Ofc there are more reasons, but these are the ones I can come up with on the spot. : )

[TouKen4Life3g]

I just heard something ridiculous and this person said NaruSaku revolves around Sasuke . wtf .?

It's their goal but they don't base it to make their friendship developed. It's one of those moments that it will magically make the two into a stronger couple to the point they can fall in love. This happens a lot with many media. Example would be like taking this person home in a long journey and before they make it, they fallen in love with each other. It's not that Naruto and Sakura talk about Sasuke all day to make them closer. It's just something they work together to do so. In fact, Sai and Sasuke Arc proved that Sakura was highly focus on Naruto's goal than together as one. While she too wish for Team 7, it's Naruto that makes her go around. After all, this is how Sai got the clear indication on Sakura's feelings.

[Psychox]

Only in the beginning. The PoAL which was completely on Naruto's side, then the moment Sakura decided to help him so they could bring Sasuke back together. In my opinion Sakura gave up on this and forfeited from the quest in the Kage Summit. She doesn't have faith in Sasuke anymore, as an individual. As a teammember, Naruto gives her hope that Team 7 can laugh again. It is important to notice the difference.

 

You know what also makes me kinda happy, that may be an unpopular opinion? Sakura didn't drop her feelings for Sasuke because of how evil he has become. She still has feelings for him even though he is not the nicest guy in the world. This shows that Sakura will not get over him because he is evil, and choose "the nice guy".

 

In my opinion, she will get over him because;

1. How distant and unknown to her he has become.

2. They haven't had a moment for years, in fact most of the part 2 SS interaction is murder attempt 1 and 2.

3. She has been shocked and disappointed of Sasuke's current behavior, but not expressed a slightest desire or wish that he could change, unlike Naruto. This makes me question if she still wants "her old Sasuke" back.

 

Ofc there are more reasons, but these are the ones I can come up with on the spot. : )

Nailed it . Good points , sushi.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Only in the beginning. The PoAL which was completely on Naruto's side, then the moment Sakura decided to help him so they could bring Sasuke back together. In my opinion Sakura gave up on this and forfeited from the quest in the Kage Summit. She doesn't have faith in Sasuke anymore, as an individual. As a teammember, Naruto gives her hope that Team 7 can laugh again. It is important to notice the difference.

 

You know what also makes me kinda happy, that may be an unpopular opinion? Sakura didn't drop her feelings for Sasuke because of how evil he has become. She still has feelings for him even though he is not the nicest guy in the world. This shows that Sakura will not get over him because he is evil, and choose "the nice guy".

 

In my opinion, she will get over him because;

1. How distant and unknown to her he has become.

2. They haven't had a moment for years, in fact most of the part 2 SS interaction is murder attempt 1 and 2.

3. She has been shocked and disappointed of Sasuke's current behavior, but not expressed a slightest desire or wish that he could change, unlike Naruto. This makes me question if she still wants "her old Sasuke" back.

 

Ofc there are more reasons, but these are the ones I can come up with on the spot. : )

Nicely said. It's as if she is realizing that Sasuke isn't the guy she wants. It's like Sasuke is good on the cover (cool looking), but knowing inside, not that good. It's human nature to be mistaken. It's like I said about FoD moment. It's not that he lost control to anything, rather this is him, the inner him, the vengeance one.

[sushi.]

Nicely said. It's as if she is realizing that Sasuke isn't the guy she wants. It's like Sasuke is good on the cover (cool looking), but knowing inside, not that good. It's human nature to be mistaken. It's like I said about FoD moment. It's not that he lost control to anything, rather this is him, the inner him, the vengeance one.

About the 3rd point, I remember in the FoD she brought the "good" Sasuke back by hugging him. She never did anything like that post timeskip and it doesn't look like she intend to either. : / But If I was a SS fan, I would want a moment like that.

Nailed it . Good points , sushi.

Yes..all these excuses makes my head spin. I feel like Kishi is crushing them one by one. XD You know the saying that Naruto would be Sakura's silverprize? Well the confession clearly tells me Naruto would never accept such a thing.

 

He wants it all or nothing.

[James S Cassidy]

@darkrest & James
That's what happen when kishi "force" naru sasu the last fight in this manga. That mean he should make naruto and sasuke equal while the truth is rival character never mean to equal. Just look at the other jump battle manga for example: no matter how strong zorro, Luffy will always strongest, no mater how strong vegeta, goku will always stronger than him, and no mater how strong ishida, ichigo will always stronger than him.

But now in order to make sasuke equal, kishi need to make naruto pathetic early in part two until let's say kage summit. And all thing about jinchuriki and uzumaki didn't develop well enough.

Oh and uchiha is special because they're the saiyan of this manga. You know the angrier they are, the stronger they become.

It's weird but the rivalry became reverse did it not? Even though it has been shown that Naruto is definitely stronger than Sasuke and shown to compete with people that is bars higher than Sasuke's power level. Sure, Naruto uses the Nine-tails chakra, but Naruto was able to take one almost all the tailed beast by himself and not even sweat. Can Sasuke do that? I don't think so.

Yet, we have Naruto who probably still thinks he is weaker than Sasuke and Sasuke who doesn't care about rivaling Naruto at all. There is no real rivalry of Sasuke trying to best Naruto. He already thinks he is the best simply because he is an Uchiha. Which seems to be a problem with the Uchiha is simply too much pride, not too much love.

@NaruSaku4life3g

 

Then again, Tom and Jerry weren't really lovers and by today's standards cartoon violence is looked very harsh upon simply because parents think kids are impressionable. We grew up in a much different time where we watch cartoons with violence like Tom and Jerry, X-Men, Power Rangers, and such because we knew that violence was wrong and this was only entertainment. We didn't need people to tell us "Don't try this at home" because we knew it was dangerous. Sadly, no more with the newer generation. Not sure what happened, but it seems like parents are not teaching their kids the difference between a fictional world and reality.

Still this doesn't excuse older generations where at their youth, cartoon violence was comedy. It kind of reminds me of South Park and the movie about how they were going to execute Terrance and Phillip because one mother thought they were just too violent and disgusting yet not realizing that the it is just media and because the parents find that punishing the kids were not the way to go about solving the problem.

So why NS "violence" is looked down upon even though to the Japanese it is just comedy? Honestly, it could be just because they want Naruto to be with Hinata and find any excuse to bash Sakura into the ground. Which makes what I just said above completely irrelevant.
 

 

In my opinion, she will get over him because;

1. How distant and unknown to her he has become.

2. They haven't had a moment for years, in fact most of the part 2 SS interaction is murder attempt 1 and 2.

3. She has been shocked and disappointed of Sasuke's current behavior, but not expressed a slightest desire or wish that he could change, unlike Naruto. This makes me question if she still wants "her old Sasuke" back.

 

This one always had me confused when it came to people who said SS will end up in the end. Really, how can it end up when Sasuke really doesn't care about Sakura? I mean, He really doesn't care about her to the point that he doesn't care if she lives or dies. It's not just about not being in love with her, but at times he rather her be dead just so he doesn't have something of his past to remain.

You can't build a relationship off that and people try showing Part 1 stuff to prove it, but Part 1 Sasuke and Part 2 Sasuke are two different characters now. And this weird idea that Sasuke hates Naruto and wants to kill him, but supposedly loves Sakura unconditionally is rather stupid.

I think I like what Novinater once said: "Just because Sasuke was Sakura's first love does not mean it is her ONLY love."

Edited by James S Cassidy, 16 August 2013 - 04:55 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Then again, Tom and Jerry weren't really lovers and by today's standards cartoon violence is looked very harsh upon simply because parents think kids are impressionable. We grew up in a much different time where we watch cartoons with violence like Tom and Jerry, X-Men, Power Rangers, and such because we knew that violence was wrong and this was only entertainment. We didn't need people to tell us "Don't try this at home" because we knew it was dangerous. Sadly, no more with the newer generation. Not sure what happened, but it seems like parents are not teaching their kids the difference between a fictional world and reality.

Still this doesn't excuse older generations where at their youth, cartoon violence was comedy. It kind of reminds me of South Park and the movie about how they were going to execute Terrance and Phillip because one mother thought they were just too violent and disgusting yet not realizing that the it is just media and because the parents find that punishing the kids were not the way to go about solving the problem.

So why NS "violence" is looked down upon even though to the Japanese it is just comedy? Honestly, it could be just because they want Naruto to be with Hinata and find any excuse to bash Sakura into the ground. Which makes what I just said above completely irrelevant.

Yeah, that's pretty much it.