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[Psychox]

Guess I should say this:

 

Doesn't anyone find it funny how with the whole Heaven and Earth philosophy that with Naruto having Earth but needing Heaven and Sakura being the opposite, doesn't anyone find it funny how Naruto has a Wind Nature which can be attributed to the Sky or Heaven and Sakura has the power to break through earth like its nothing.

 

I find this kinda funny despite it not being part of that Heaven and Earth setup from the chunin exams saying where the two had to improve or dealing the with bridge where the 4 tails event took place. I only say this cause Naruto obtained the knowledge to utilize a wind nature while Sakura obtained the skill to become physically capable of breaking through earth.

 

Isn't it funny when you think of it like that?

 

Makes perfect sense to me , nicely done .

[sushi.]

Guys, another awesome tumblr post!

 

It describes MK/NS parallel perfectly.

 

If you don't bother to read the whole thing, I can highlight my favourite quotes for you

"Chances are he decided that because so much of Kushina’s story revolved around her romance with Minato, that he would have Kushina parallel the Naruto’s love interest, and have Minato and Kushina’s relationship be a simplified version of the whichever love story Kishimoto considers to be most important."

 

"Now obviously in reality her advice (find someone like me) wouldn’t matter, Naruto doesn’t have to follow his mother’s wishes (though it’s important to not that after Kushina’s chakra disappeared, Naruto made a point to list that he was trying to follow her advice), but remember this isn’t reality, this is a story and Kishimoto wouldn’t waste valuable manga space for unimportant drivel.  He included that information for a very specific reason, —in order to give us hints regarding the direction of the story over all."

 

"Minato and Kushina’s story was designed to be a simplistic summary, a representation of Naruto and Sakura’s story- (and no, that’s not may way of hating on Minato and Kushina as a couple, I enjoy them well enough, this is just an analysis of Kishimoto’s techniques and reason behind those technique)"

So basically, MK is a simplified, less complex summary/representation/reflection of NS.

 

God I love the NS fans on tumblr.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Guys, another awesome tumblr post!

 

It describes MK/NS parallel perfectly.

 

If you don't bother to read the whole thing, I can highlight my favourite quotes for you

"Chances are he decided that because so much of Kushina’s story revolved around her romance with Minato, that he would have Kushina parallel the Naruto’s love interest, and have Minato and Kushina’s relationship be a simplified version of the whichever love story Kishimoto considers to be most important."

 

"Now obviously in reality her advice (find someone like me) wouldn’t matter, Naruto doesn’t have to follow his mother’s wishes (though it’s important to not that after Kushina’s chakra disappeared, Naruto made a point to list that he was trying to follow her advice), but remember this isn’t reality, this is a story and Kishimoto wouldn’t waste valuable manga space for unimportant drivel.  He included that information for a very specific reason, —in order to give us hints regarding the direction of the story over all."

 

"Minato and Kushina’s story was designed to be a simplistic summary, a representation of Naruto and Sakura’s story- (and no, that’s not may way of hating on Minato and Kushina as a couple, I enjoy them well enough, this is just an analysis of Kishimoto’s techniques and reason behind those technique)"

So basically, MK is a simplified, less complex summary/representation/reflection of NS.

 

God I love the NS fans on tumblr.

Ooo.

 

I know that user from NF. Really good poster. So glad she got the attention. That said that was nicely read and pretty much got the right idea on parallel. This is something people need to understand clearly.

[Psychox]

Guys, another awesome tumblr post!

 

It describes MK/NS parallel perfectly.

 

If you don't bother to read the whole thing, I can highlight my favourite quotes for you

"Chances are he decided that because so much of Kushina’s story revolved around her romance with Minato, that he would have Kushina parallel the Naruto’s love interest, and have Minato and Kushina’s relationship be a simplified version of the whichever love story Kishimoto considers to be most important."

 

"Now obviously in reality her advice (find someone like me) wouldn’t matter, Naruto doesn’t have to follow his mother’s wishes (though it’s important to not that after Kushina’s chakra disappeared, Naruto made a point to list that he was trying to follow her advice), but remember this isn’t reality, this is a story and Kishimoto wouldn’t waste valuable manga space for unimportant drivel.  He included that information for a very specific reason, —in order to give us hints regarding the direction of the story over all."

 

"Minato and Kushina’s story was designed to be a simplistic summary, a representation of Naruto and Sakura’s story- (and no, that’s not may way of hating on Minato and Kushina as a couple, I enjoy them well enough, this is just an analysis of Kishimoto’s techniques and reason behind those technique)"

So basically, MK is a simplified, less complex summary/representation/reflection of NS.

 

God I love the NS fans on tumblr.

Well she/he made it dead obvious what and how parallels are used , but then again it easy to make the connection between the characters since the similarity is easily read . MinaKushi parallel means that Sakura and Naruto will get  together have a child and live a happy life , how is that so hard to comprehend ?  . The simplicity of the math 1+1 = 2.

Edited by Psychox, 15 August 2013 - 07:56 PM.

[Darkness]

Obito's unhealthy love can be better described as "Uchiha" love. As Tobirama said, the Uchiha is a clan possessed by evil because of the way people within the clan treasure love. 

Obito's love for Rin is very strong, similar to Sasuke's love for his brother and parents, if not more. When a Uchiha loses such love, the stressful condition brought out from losing that precious person causes the brain to release a special form of chakra that affects the optic nerves while transforming the eyes into the Sharingan, leading us to assume the Sharingan is a "symptom" that can measure how strong are those person's feelings. 

Rin's death caused Obito's Sharingan to transform from two tomoes into a fully evolved Mangekyo Sharingan instantaneously.

 

@Dαrkrєrsŧ

 

If you look from the perspective that this love is the reason behind many of the disastrous events that happened throughout the series, it's not wrong to say such feeling is unhealthy.

Edited by Darkness, 15 August 2013 - 08:59 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

It's odd. I don't recall seeing Obito going to that Uchiha crazy rape face. Usually, when I see that, that would mean the mental issue comes in play. Sasuke went through that and look how crazy he went. Madara went through that and look at how crazy he went knowing Hashirama is around. I feel like Kishi purposely eliminated the issue aspect for Obito because he wants only Sasuke and Madara to be paralleled. It's odd and crazy, but seriously, that's how I see it. Maybe later on, he will put that face. Maybe.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Obito's unhealthy love can be better described as "Uchiha" love. As Tobirama said, the Uchiha is a clan possessed by evil because of the way people within the clan treasure love. 

Obito's love for Rin is very strong, similar to Sasuke's love for his brother and parents, if not more. When a Uchiha loses such love, the stressful condition brought out from losing that precious person causes the brain to release a special form of chakra that affects the optic nerves while transforming the eyes into the Sharingan, leading us to assume the Sharingan is a "symptom" that can measure how strong are those person's feelings. 

Rin's death caused Obito's Sharingan to transform from two tomoes into a fully evolved Mangekyo Sharingan instantaneously.

 

@Dαrkrєrsŧ

 

If you look from the perspective that this love is the reason behind many of the disastrous events that happened throughout the serie, it's not wrong to say such feeling is unhealthy.

That's the part where makes me rage, what makes the uchiha so special then?

Nagato went though the same, the difference is that they got more power and that's all.

they dont suffer more or less than "normal" people.

 

Kakashi went though the same so just because he wasnt an Uchiha he didnt wanted to destroy the world?

That was the crappiest explanation and a fail attempt to make them look like victims from Kishi.

 

Madara caused so many disasters in the world, Obito was behind the whole Mist Ninja village which make them to be known as the village of the bloody mist.

Love is not the cause of disasters it's just that they act like immature kids like Madara asking Hashirama to kill himself, there were people like Itachi, Shisui and others who surpassed that.

 

Look at Madara, he almost destroyed his own clan just because his brother died because it was his fault for wanting to continue waging war when he knew he could not win.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 August 2013 - 09:02 PM.

[Dkey]

That's the part where makes me rage, what makes the uchiha so special then?
Nagato went though the same, the difference is that they got more power and that's all.
they dont suffer more or less than "normal" people.
 
Kakashi went though the same so just because he wasnt an Uchiha he didnt wanted to destroy the world?
That was the crappiest explanation and a fail attempt to make them look like victims from Kishi.
 
Madara caused so many disasters in the world, Obito was behind the whole Mist Ninja village which make them to be known as the village of the bloody mist.
Love is not the cause of disasters it's just that they act like immature kids like Madara asking Hashirama to kill himself, there were people like Itachi, Shisui and others who surpassed that.
 
Look at Madara, he almost destroyed his own clan just because his brother died because it was his fault for wanting to continue waging war when he knew he could not win.

It makes them clingy. But here is the joke. Sasuke has.no problem killing Naruto because he is hurt from Itachi's death. I think it's just a bad reasoning that only people like Tobirama cling to. Hashirama thou knowing the problem he ignored when it came to Madara.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

It makes them clingy. But here is the joke. Sasuke has.no problem killing Naruto because he is hurt from Itachi's death. I think it's just a bad reasoning that only people like Tobirama cling to. Hashirama thou knowing the problem he ignored when it came to Madara.

Yeah it's totally retarded.

I dont understand why Kishi make that explanation is ridiculous, look at Itachi and Shisui and the other good uchihas.

Them look at  people like Madara, he ask Hashirama to kill himself after he's defeated, i mean for god's sake, and in the end he's the victim because he's an uchiha?

 

It's like Sasuke trying to kill Sakura but it's okay because he's an uchiha.
Kishi give me a break.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 August 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[T XD]

Obito's mental issues cause he's an Uchiha comes into play, but his reason for doing all of this is because of Rin which is what Kishi is focusing on. The mental issues aren't that much shown with Obito since he wants the plot of Obito's part to be related more to Rin.

Edited by T XD, 15 August 2013 - 09:30 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Until that face shows up, Obito seems himself. Well, shell of himself.

[Dkey]

Yeah it's totally retarded.
I dont understand why Kishi make that explanation is ridiculous, look at Itachi and Shisui and the other good uchihas.
Them look at  people like Madara, he ask Hashirama to kill himself after he's defeated, i mean for god's sake, and in the end he's the victim because he's an uchiha?
 
It's like Sasuke trying to kill Sakura but it's okay because he's an uchiha.
Kishi give me a break.

 
The fact remains that both sides, Naruto and Konoha vs. Sasuke and the dynamic crazy duo (Madara and Obito) are half right half wrong. Probably a flash back or a reveal will show that the first one and the one to initiate the curse of hatred was the younger son when he killed the elder's sons lover, faithful follower or whatever. And this is what Sasuke sees. What the others see are basically 2 (with Sasuke 3) Uchihas have caused so much trouble that an entire world had to unite to defeat them. I wouldn't put to much thought into the Uchiha and brain sharingan thing. If Naruto or Sakura don't find out about this condition the Uchihas have from Tobirama or someone else than it was only something only for the reader to understand.

 

 

Until that face shows up, Obito seems himself. Well, shell of himself.

 

Maybe the face was covered when Obito was raging and killing those Myst Anbu guys. Only that Kishi for some reason decided to hide it using the spiral zetsu.

Edited by Dkey, 15 August 2013 - 09:49 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
The fact remains that both sides, Naruto and Konoha vs. Sasuke and the dynamic crazy duo (Madara and Obito) are half right half wrong. Probably a flash back or a reveal will show that the first one and the one to initiate the curse of hatred was the younger son when he killed the elder's sons lover, faithful follower or whatever. And this is what Sasuke sees. What the others see are basically 2 (with Sasuke 3) Uchihas have caused so much trouble that an entire world had to unite to defeat them. I wouldn't put to much thought into the Uchiha and brain sharingan thing. If Naruto or Sakura don't find out about this condition the Uchihas have from Tobirama or someone else than it was only something only for the reader to understand.

Yeah, it seems like it's only within the people who just learned it. It's not like Sasuke would announce it to the world. In fact, if he wants respect back, he got to do with his own hands. Not the best example but still it happened, take the event that he actually apologize to Karin. It was fast but the point is that he didn't do anything mind problem address, let alone she doesn't know, so pretty much, it's just us audience. After all, he's stable yet still wants to kill Naruto; that's pretty bad. Lol.

I don't think so. I think it's normal reaction. You would snap too if something would happen to you. Nagato did it and he's not Uchiha. It's a normal reaction. Remember, Obito can still show even after Rin is dead. After all, Sasuke did so.

Edited by NaruSaku4Life3g, 15 August 2013 - 09:54 PM.

[Darkness]

That's the part where makes me rage, what makes the uchiha so special then?

Nagato went though the same, the difference is that they got more power and that's all.

they dont suffer more or less than "normal" people.

 

Kakashi went though the same so just because he wasnt an Uchiha he didnt wanted to destroy the world?

That was the crappiest explanation and a fail attempt to make them look like victims from Kishi.

 

Madara caused so many disasters in the world, Obito was behind the whole Mist Ninja village which make them to be known as the village of the bloody mist.

Love is not the cause of disasters it's just that they act like immature kids like Madara asking Hashirama to kill himself, there were people like Itachi, Shisui and others who surpassed that.

 

Look at Madara, he almost destroyed his own clan just because his brother died because it was his fault for wanting to continue waging war when he knew he could not win.

 

It's just the way Kishimoto made their Kekkei Genkai function, the bigger the feeling is, the stronger gets the user's eyes so it's fair to assume the Uchiha are more susceptible to such strong feelings than other regular people even in an evolutionary point of view. It's also obviously a move to give the clan a little sympathy from the readers with that feeling "their love is too strong that's why they kill people"

 

But if you ask me their love is nothing but pure selfishness. They value people from their clan a whole lot more than any other person on the planet, going as far as to don't even care about hundreds of families that can be killed only for them to achieve their goals.

 

But there's still hope for the clan as some members are much more mature on this aspect as mentioned.

[Dkey]

Yeah, it seems like it's only within the people who just learned it. It's not like Sasuke would announce it to the world. In fact, if he wants respect back, he got to do with his own hands. Not the best example but still it happened, take the event that he actually apologize to Karin. It was fast but the point is that he didn't do anything mind problem address, let alone she doesn't know, so pretty much, it's just us audience. After all, he's stable yet still wants to kill Naruto; that's pretty bad. Lol.

I don't think so. I think it's normal reaction. You would snap too if something would happen to you. Nagato did it and he's not Uchiha. It's a normal reaction. Remember, Obito can still show even after Rin is dead. After all, Sasuke did so.

 

Sasuke is confident in his Uchiha heritage. Even if it throws him into darkness. I don't get the crazy downfall he has every time he uses Susanoo. Is it the feel of invincibility that it gives that pushes him to say or do something evil.

Right now he blames the Hokages for the problems of the world and probably sees Naruto as one who will repeat those mistakes.

[James S Cassidy]

You know this is going to sound like bashing, but....Sasuke is by far the worst character I have ever seen written. This is a character specifically designed to ruin all development of the main cast. Some have asked why Sakura is still hung up on Sasuke....I have to ask, why is Naruto still hung up on Sasuke? Sometimes Naruto is more hung up than Sakura is. This is why we have jokes about Naruto's gay relationship with Sasuke.

He is a lackluster villian cause he lacks conviction. He is a terrible hero cause he is still a jerk. I would say he is an anti-hero, but at times Sasuke doesn't even know what he wants nor goes after it. He is worse than Hamlet when it comes to excuses about "destroying Konoha."

Not only that, but whenever his character is brought up....it ruins the plot. That's true villainy. No, really, think about how much better would everything be if Sasuke was not invented?
 

 

Rofl at sasuke's rank. But how is Obito at the top of your list? His reason for killing his family, the whole of konoha is rin, rin, rin.

I actually like Obito's development because even if it is based on just Rin, there was more influence than that. Remember that Madara influenced him and messed with his head. I could even say brainwashed him into believing something he wanted him to believe and all for his own personal game. So in essence, it is good development and at has more meaning than Sasuke's story arc.

I have more sympathy for Obito than I do for Sasuke who comes off as more of a whiny b---- than a man out to set a goal.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 15 August 2013 - 10:48 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You know this is going to sound like bashing, but....Sasuke is by far the worst character I have ever seen written. This is a character specifically designed to ruin all development of the main cast. Some have asked why Sakura is still hung up on Sasuke....I have to ask, why is Naruto still hung up on Sasuke? Sometimes Naruto is more hung up than Sakura is. This is why we have jokes about Naruto's gay relationship with Sasuke.

He is a lackluster villian cause he lacks conviction. He is a terrible hero cause he is still a jerk. I would say he is an anti-hero, but at times Sasuke doesn't even know what he wants nor goes after it. He is worse than Hamlet when it comes to excuses about "destroying Konoha."

Not only that, but whenever his character is brought up....it ruins the plot. That's true villainy. No, really, think about how much better would everything be if Sasuke was not invented?
 

I actually like Obito's development because even if it is based on just Rin, there was more influence than that. Remember that Madara influenced him and messed with his head. I could even say brainwashed him into believing something he wanted him to believe and all for his own personal game. So in essence, it is good development and at has more meaning than Sasuke's story arc.

I have more sympathy for Obito than I do for Sasuke who comes off as more of a whiny b---- than a man out to set a goal.

Nah i dont think, he was good on part 1 serving as Naruto's rival, it's just that on shippuuden Kishimoto messed up, Naruto's obsession on Sasuke put the Akatsuki stuff on the background, the author decided to make Sasuke the ending villain and the main antagonist, and the plot seems to resolve between them, even someome said i dont remember if it was Itachi or Obito but he said 
"Even if you win the war, if you dont "save" Sasuke the victory is meaningless".

It's just that Kishi give this importance to Sasuke.

 

I dont even enjoy watching the anime anymore or revisiting older chapters because i cant stand this bromance.
I'll be sincere if wanst NS i would not even reading/watching this manga/anime.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 15 August 2013 - 11:21 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Nah i dont think, he was good on part 1 serving as Naruto's rival, it's just that on shippuuden Kishimoto messed up, Naruto's obsession on Sasuke put the Akatsuki stuff on the background, the author decided to make Sasuke the ending villain and the main antagonist, and the plot seems to resolve between them, even someome said i dont remember if it was Itachi or Obito but he said 
"Even if you win the war, if you dont "save" Sasuke the victory is meaningless".

It's just that Kishi give this importance to Sasuke.

 

I dont even enjoy watching the anime anymore or revisiting older chapters because i cant stand this bromance.
I'll be sincere if wanst NS i would not even reading/watching this manga/anime.

No, Kaiba is a rival. He spent his time trying to beat Yugi, but Yugi was always better. And at least Kaiba actually did stuff. Whether he succeeded or failed, he still did stuff and not constantly contemplate what kind of person he was. There were time Yugi had to save Kaiba and this urked Kaiba pushing him to be better at dueling.

Vegata was a rival who wanted to beat Goku. Who trained and fought at times with people to gain power. He knew what he wanted and he chose any path to get it. In the end, he knew that he couldn't beat Goku and decided to live knowing he will always be second best no matter how hard he trained.

 

Sasuke isn't even a rival because while yes, he was jealous of Naruto at times, his goal wasn't "I have to beat Naruto. I have to be the best." His goals were "I have to get revenge." At best all he wanted to do was fight Naruto. He already believes he is the strongest and thinks he can kill Naruto with little effort. So what kind of rival is he to Naruto? Compared to the other better well-known rivals, he lacks the rivalry part.

Sasuke wasn't even well written from the start and the only rivalry he really did was in being a "love interest" which he had no care for in the first place. So I think you are really wrong here. Sakura may have been useless in the beginning, but Sasuke has been pointless throughout the entire manga. Merely an excuse to add drama.

People complain about the useless drama in this manga and I have to say most of it would be gone if Sasuke was never a character in this one. I will stand by this even if you, Dark, try to prove how "important" he was in part 1.

[TouKen4Life3g]

You know, I know it's different between two things that I am about to bring up, but anyway, I just saw a video about Tom and Jerry (just hear me out first) and I just thought, "Hm, did anyone in the newer generation get to see this?" Why do I even think this? If you know the show, you'd know it's heavily violence but it sounds so funny. That said why is it funny when you see so many violence. While there are many things that made it successful, the fact violence comedy works begs the question: why can't you see it the same for NaruSaku comedy.

 

I know that they are completely different, but my point is that comedy violence exists, so why is it hard to accept it. Hell, why can't they accept tsundere comedy at all. Do I hear sadness and sorrow ost playing when Naruto gets punched by Sakura? No. Does Naruto think he can't confess because she will abuse her? No. Is it even realistically possible that Naruto can't dodge Sakura's attack yet he can own anyone else? Not really. So again, what is wrong with it then? You can't really tell me you never see comedy violence in your life. It's just not possible.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

No, Kaiba is a rival. He spent his time trying to beat Yugi, but Yugi was always better. And at least Kaiba actually did stuff. Whether he succeeded or failed, he still did stuff and not constantly contemplate what kind of person he was. There were time Yugi had to save Kaiba and this urked Kaiba pushing him to be better at dueling.

Vegata was a rival who wanted to beat Goku. Who trained and fought at times with people to gain power. He knew what he wanted and he chose any path to get it. In the end, he knew that he couldn't beat Goku and decided to live knowing he will always be second best no matter how hard he trained.

 

Sasuke isn't even a rival because while yes, he was jealous of Naruto at times, his goal wasn't "I have to beat Naruto. I have to be the best." His goals were "I have to get revenge." At best all he wanted to do was fight Naruto. He already believes he is the strongest and thinks he can kill Naruto with little effort. So what kind of rival is he to Naruto? Compared to the other better well-known rivals, he lacks the rivalry part.

Sasuke wasn't even well written from the start and the only rivalry he really did was in being a "love interest" which he had no care for in the first place. So I think you are really wrong here. Sakura may have been useless in the beginning, but Sasuke has been pointless throughout the entire manga. Merely an excuse to add drama.

People complain about the useless drama in this manga and I have to say most of it would be gone if Sasuke was never a character in this one. I will stand by this even if you, Dark, try to prove how "important" he was in part 1.

Rivalry is important but going to the starting point, Sasuke was strong and someome Naruto wanted to be, Sasuke had everything he wanted to have, he had popularity with girls, the acknowledgement of the villagers and he was strong. (removing his dark personality).

 

Naruto growed up trying to surpass him but failed at all times, even his love Sakura is explained because of him, while he worked hard to make Skaura loves him she was working hard for him to notice her.

 

He was a decent rival, but part 2 messed up, Sasuke lost it's purpose and he become a character that no one understand, it's like a rival but messed up, he became the main antagonist and even worse the plot start to be around him like the world will be in peace if Naruto succeeds on saving Sasuke, which is crazy.

 

Sasuke was very important to Naruto's development on part 1, Sasuke is like someome Naruto could be if he chose revenge against the village.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 16 August 2013 - 12:38 AM.