H&E's NaruSaku Debate Thread!
#5841
Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:07 AM

god is sweet.......
courage,,,,,,,,,,,
doesn't always roar.............
sometimescourage is quite voice at the
end of the day saying,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
'll try again tomorrow"
#5842
Posted 07 December 2012 - 07:51 AM
Today, we have a newer audiences and well, it would seem that these audiences doesn't like what Japan likes. Tsundare is probably the main target of the bunch and since Naruto is very popular, it will have the most criticized. The funny thing is that there are animes that are much worse than Sakura in terms of tsundare and trust me, I know what I'm talking. You think Sakura in manga, let alone anime, was bad to Naruto? Explore more and they are much worse. At this period of time, I find myself rewatching older animes and turns out they are still great as I remember. The funny thing is there are heroine that did more damage than Naruto ever gotten from Sakura. I don't think I ever see somebody uses a person literally to stop a speedy taxi (guess what anime and I will rep you
Now, in the present, just recently, I look over Love Hina once more and boy, I actually forgot how much punches the girl did to the guy. One episode did the same damage as Sakura anime version. That's right. Now I check the review and well, it was lowered. When I checked, I noticed a lot of them came from this time of year and people actually complained about tsundare. See my point now. I don't hate new generation or anything, but people should understand what Japan likes and whether you like it or not, got to deal with their style. You can hate and such, be my guess, but if this is their way of romance or friendship or anything, then accept it and move on.
So yeah, that's my story. I know not all newer people are like that. It just that Naruto got the most effect because the world knows Naruto and they want the story to be their way. The problem for Naruto, which I give big credit to Kishi, it's that today, many people are always demanding to be their way. I let the story flow, like it or not. So far, Kishi has been sticking to his plan. I don't know if he gets any threats, but if he does, he shouldn't let that cloud his judgment at all. What I said is not about NS will be canon, rather it's about if it happens, it happens. You can be mad, go ahead, but don't be like "Bad writing" this, "Bad writing" that.
#5843
Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:03 AM
In Naruto, there's a good balance where yeah, Naruto got the losing end when interacting with Sakura and vise-versa. It's a balance, but there's got to be the point where you have to say "I just don't want either of them to look like the loser." Obviously, we want both of them to win, in anything, because we care greatly for being invested in them. As for Hinata, I just really don't care much for Hinata winning or losing though, because she hasn't given me enough reasons to care so that's that.
Edited by Anguyen92, 07 December 2012 - 08:04 AM.

#5844
Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:16 AM
In Naruto, there's a good balance where yeah, Naruto got the losing end when interacting with Sakura and vise-versa. It's a balance, but there's got to be the point where you have to say "I just don't want either of them to look like the loser." Obviously, we want both of them to win, in anything, because we care greatly for being invested in them. As for Hinata, I just really don't care much for Hinata winning or losing though, because she hasn't given me enough reasons to care so that's that.
Exactly. One of the reasons why I like this pairing a lot. I felt like I have invested these two so much that I don't want them to feel sorrow and such. Naruto is the one I support the most because of how he was once a guy that I considered annoying and unlikeable. But he truly have a real developments throughout the manga. I remember the beginning of part 2, I couldn't believe that this is that same kid who acted like a total idiot. I know there are other anime that has the main character being concern on the love interest, so they do something that will cheer her up, and this one is no exception. It wouldn't make sense that all that will be nothing in the end. I mean why even include that you know. So yeah, there are other tsundere that are much worse than Naruto. So the excuse of abusive woman doesn't apply here. What you see from Sakura and Sasuke is that. Ok, not abusive but serious pain.
#5845
Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:41 AM
What do you guys think?
Edited by Askia31, 07 December 2012 - 08:41 AM.
#5846
Posted 07 December 2012 - 08:57 AM
What do you guys think?
There hasn't been a single development from NH since the first chapter of the manga. There hasn't been a single proof or evidence Naruto has fallen out of the blue for Hinata when he has already shown he will always love Sakura. Kiba is just being Kiba his comment doesn't insinuate its going to be NH after Kishimoto has spent over 400 chapters developing NS. Again I ask why are you people over reacting to a single comment? Especially after Naruto didn't reacted to his comment he was only paying attention to Sakura. What's next? Hinata was behind Naruto that makes NH canon?
People why are we getting desperate like NH fans who are still looking for concrete solid evidence of their pairing when they very well know there is none in the manga? It's the same thing with SS fans who have been very quiet for a while since Sasuke hasn't shown up and the times Sakura has been brought up she hasn't even thought about him in the slightest (excluding the love nin scene and that was over 50 chapters ago). Relax let's take a chill pill and watch these upcoming chapters which a lot of us are expecting Sakura to finally get some fighting action and for the Obito/Rin parallel to go exactly with NS.
Edited by Gravenimage, 07 December 2012 - 09:03 AM.
#5847
Posted 07 December 2012 - 09:12 AM
I think Naruto was focusing more on Obito, Madara and the Jubi.
#5848
Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:48 AM
People why are we getting desperate like NH fans who are still looking for concrete solid evidence of their pairing when they very well know there is none in the manga? It's the same thing with SS fans who have been very quiet for a while since Sasuke hasn't shown up and the times Sakura has been brought up she hasn't even thought about him in the slightest (excluding the love nin scene and that was over 50 chapters ago). Relax let's take a chill pill and watch these upcoming chapters which a lot of us are expecting Sakura to finally get some fighting action and for the Obito/Rin parallel to go exactly with NS.
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#5849
Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:40 AM
Since 2010...
Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 December 2012 - 12:40 AM.
#5850
Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:38 AM
Since 2010...
I made this post a long time ago and yeah, I'm sticking to this idea still.
#5851
Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:40 PM
It's an answer to my question "Can someone give me a logical reason why Nh will happen or is going to happen?"

Which I've told you - time and time again - is dangerous! There will never be consensus, son, among those you have helped to ascend. They will all differ in their views of what it means to be free. The peace you so desperately seek does not exist.
These men are united now by a common cause. But when this battle is finished they will fall to fighting amongst themselves about how best to ensure control. In time it will lead to war. You will see.
#5852
Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:17 PM
It's an answer to my question "Can someone give me a logical reason why Nh will happen or is going to happen?"
I told myself not to write a long post at work, but I'm bored, so why not.
First of all, Sakura already acknowledged that Naruto is a guy who is seen by many as a failure but really, he's a guy who will become Hokage one day. That was the point of her flashback during Naruto vs. Kiba. She recapped her mistake that she thought he was a loser back in chapter 3, but she now knows that's not true, which is why she wants him to tell everyone to prove them wrong. She was the only cheering him, as others doubted him (Gennins wise). Hinata was scared because even though she was inspired by him, she doesn't know how capable Naruto truly is. That's why Sakura and Kakashi were calm because they know Naruto is that strong. It's arguable that Sakura learned this back in the first arc, just now saying it in Chunnin exam arc.
The thing about Sakura is much different than Hinata. To begin with, she's there since the first arc and we started off with her hating/disliking Naruto with a reason that in some way, you can't blame her. Lets face it, Naruto in the beginning was really immature. He has a hidden maturity in him but it's being blocked due to the environmental area that he lives in, much like in real life. Each arc where she is involved has a development for her. The first arc was that she underestimated Naruto. The second arc was more of the same but this time, the friendship level increases. It's like a video game. There's like 5 hearts level and if you reach max, you two are close. If you want to step beyond that, time to do romantic phase. By the end of part1, she learned that she was wrong about Naruto. She saw the Naruto that has been inside of him for a long time. Now, this is like 5 hearts level because they are close friends now. So why push further in part 2? Because Kishi is secretly leveling their friendship into beyond. You know what is that.
Hinata, well, the thing is that we only had 1 arc with her in part 1. In part 2, her moment finally arise again in Pain Invasion arc. That is a long gap between them. Kishi seems like he has room to make one more development for certain K11 members, so this is it here. After all, we did have Team 10 dedicated arc. Anyway, Hinata always felt to me like something that is truly inspired by Naruto, like role model. That speech she had in part 1 was like what she believed in from Naruto. It's like if you get to talk to your hero, you would say your reasons to be inspired. For example, you see a hero, you talk and say something like, "It's great to meet you! You inspired me to keep working hard and someday I will be that champion like you. You make me proud to be a guy who is seen as a guy with no chance to achieve." That's how I saw it. In part 2, the problem now is confidence issue. She lacks of it. Naruto fixed that recently. And she is good to go to be the next heir to her clan. If romance really implies here as in needs to be done, well I wonder what's in store. I doubt she will win. If she did, then not only its rushed, it only makes me say, "Why not develop it since the beginning, Kishi?" She don't need to be a main character, but develop her and Naruto much much more.
Lastly, I noticed that the bad perk of Sakura happens when Sasuke is involved and oddly enough, it all happened in Kage Summit Arc. Look back at part 2, she hardly shows her worst. In Sasuke and Sai arc, the main focus was surprisingly her and Naruto, mainly Sakura POV. When Sakura met Sasuke in that arc, she was only a spectator and was going to throw a punch or two, but Sasuke was already reaching her for the kill or badly wounded. The worst of her really showed up again in Kage Summit arc and that's why I felt like in some way, it was the best timing to bring her feelings for Saduke into question when Lover nin mentioned about a great guy. We finally brought back the old love triangle of Team 7. Bottom line, it's over exaggerated and happened only in Kage Summit Arc. You can look over the old ones in part 2 and it's hardly there, which is why a lot of us are mistaking that she is over with Sasuke. I see this as Kishi did it on purpose because now Naruto is that high in terms of friendship level, hence "Naruto is close", Sakura is putting into test on which guy she truly loves. She can like both, but who she would romantically engage with. We wait for the final verdict.
#5853
Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:47 PM
First of all, Sakura already acknowledged that Naruto is a guy who is seen by many as a failure but really, he's a guy who will become Hokage one day. That was the point of her flashback during Naruto vs. Kiba. She recapped her mistake that she thought he was a loser back in chapter 3, but she now knows that's not true, which is why she wants him to tell everyone to prove them wrong. She was the only cheering him, as others doubted him (Gennins wise). Hinata was scared because even though she was inspired by him, she doesn't know how capable Naruto truly is. That's why Sakura and Kakashi were calm because they know Naruto is that strong. It's arguable that Sakura learned this back in the first arc, just now saying it in Chunnin exam arc.
The thing about Sakura is much different than Hinata. To begin with, she's there since the first arc and we started off with her hating/disliking Naruto with a reason that in some way, you can't blame her. Lets face it, Naruto in the beginning was really immature. He has a hidden maturity in him but it's being blocked due to the environmental area that he lives in, much like in real life. Each arc where she is involved has a development for her. The first arc was that she underestimated Naruto. The second arc was more of the same but this time, the friendship level increases. It's like a video game. There's like 5 hearts level and if you reach max, you two are close. If you want to step beyond that, time to do romantic phase. By the end of part1, she learned that she was wrong about Naruto. She saw the Naruto that has been inside of him for a long time. Now, this is like 5 hearts level because they are close friends now. So why push further in part 2? Because Kishi is secretly leveling their friendship into beyond. You know what is that.
Hinata, well, the thing is that we only had 1 arc with her in part 1. In part 2, her moment finally arise again in Pain Invasion arc. That is a long gap between them. Kishi seems like he has room to make one more development for certain K11 members, so this is it here. After all, we did have Team 10 dedicated arc. Anyway, Hinata always felt to me like something that is truly inspired by Naruto, like role model. That speech she had in part 1 was like what she believed in from Naruto. It's like if you get to talk to your hero, you would say your reasons to be inspired. For example, you see a hero, you talk and say something like, "It's great to meet you! You inspired me to keep working hard and someday I will be that champion like you. You make me proud to be a guy who is seen as a guy with no chance to achieve." That's how I saw it. In part 2, the problem now is confidence issue. She lacks of it. Naruto fixed that recently. And she is good to go to be the next heir to her clan. If romance really implies here as in needs to be done, well I wonder what's in store. I doubt she will win. If she did, then not only its rushed, it only makes me say, "Why not develop it since the beginning, Kishi?" She don't need to be a main character, but develop her and Naruto much much more.
Lastly, I noticed that the bad perk of Sakura happens when Sasuke is involved and oddly enough, it all happened in Kage Summit Arc. Look back at part 2, she hardly shows her worst. In Sasuke and Sai arc, the main focus was surprisingly her and Naruto, mainly Sakura POV. When Sakura met Sasuke in that arc, she was only a spectator and was going to throw a punch or two, but Sasuke was already reaching her for the kill or badly wounded. The worst of her really showed up again in Kage Summit arc and that's why I felt like in some way, it was the best timing to bring her feelings for Saduke into question when Lover nin mentioned about a great guy. We finally brought back the old love triangle of Team 7. Bottom line, it's over exaggerated and happened only in Kage Summit Arc. You can look over the old ones in part 2 and it's hardly there, which is why a lot of us are mistaking that she is over with Sasuke. I see this as Kishi did it on purpose because now Naruto is that high in terms of friendship level, hence "Naruto is close", Sakura is putting into test on which guy she truly loves. She can like both, but who she would romantically engage with. We wait for the final verdict.
This.
About hinata she thought kiba would "Rape" naruto in that fight and that his victory was impossible, same as neji, she thought naruto would lose and fainted because she thought naruto would be "humiliated." by neji.
After being the hero of the village naruto was recognized by everyone that he would be hokage even shikamaru said he would be a important person on the future.
She only recognized naruto's strength recently, when she said she would stop stalking him but still she's "naruto-kun(x666)"
Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 December 2012 - 07:52 PM.
#5854
Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:53 PM
First of all, Sakura already acknowledged that Naruto is a guy who is seen by many as a failure but really, he's a guy who will become Hokage one day. That was the point of her flashback during Naruto vs. Kiba. She recapped her mistake that she thought he was a loser back in chapter 3, but she now knows that's not true, which is why she wants him to tell everyone to prove them wrong. She was the only cheering him, as others doubted him (Gennins wise). Hinata was scared because even though she was inspired by him, she doesn't know how capable Naruto truly is. That's why Sakura and Kakashi were calm because they know Naruto is that strong. It's arguable that Sakura learned this back in the first arc, just now saying it in Chunnin exam arc.
The thing about Sakura is much different than Hinata. To begin with, she's there since the first arc and we started off with her hating/disliking Naruto with a reason that in some way, you can't blame her. Lets face it, Naruto in the beginning was really immature. He has a hidden maturity in him but it's being blocked due to the environmental area that he lives in, much like in real life. Each arc where she is involved has a development for her. The first arc was that she underestimated Naruto. The second arc was more of the same but this time, the friendship level increases. It's like a video game. There's like 5 hearts level and if you reach max, you two are close. If you want to step beyond that, time to do romantic phase. By the end of part1, she learned that she was wrong about Naruto. She saw the Naruto that has been inside of him for a long time. Now, this is like 5 hearts level because they are close friends now. So why push further in part 2? Because Kishi is secretly leveling their friendship into beyond. You know what is that.
Hinata, well, the thing is that we only had 1 arc with her in part 1. In part 2, her moment finally arise again in Pain Invasion arc. That is a long gap between them. Kishi seems like he has room to make one more development for certain K11 members, so this is it here. After all, we did have Team 10 dedicated arc. Anyway, Hinata always felt to me like something that is truly inspired by Naruto, like role model. That speech she had in part 1 was like what she believed in from Naruto. It's like if you get to talk to your hero, you would say your reasons to be inspired. For example, you see a hero, you talk and say something like, "It's great to meet you! You inspired me to keep working hard and someday I will be that champion like you. You make me proud to be a guy who is seen as a guy with no chance to achieve." That's how I saw it. In part 2, the problem now is confidence issue. She lacks of it. Naruto fixed that recently. And she is good to go to be the next heir to her clan. If romance really implies here as in needs to be done, well I wonder what's in store. I doubt she will win. If she did, then not only its rushed, it only makes me say, "Why not develop it since the beginning, Kishi?" She don't need to be a main character, but develop her and Naruto much much more.
Lastly, I noticed that the bad perk of Sakura happens when Sasuke is involved and oddly enough, it all happened in Kage Summit Arc. Look back at part 2, she hardly shows her worst. In Sasuke and Sai arc, the main focus was surprisingly her and Naruto, mainly Sakura POV. When Sakura met Sasuke in that arc, she was only a spectator and was going to throw a punch or two, but Sasuke was already reaching her for the kill or badly wounded. The worst of her really showed up again in Kage Summit arc and that's why I felt like in some way, it was the best timing to bring her feelings for Saduke into question when Lover nin mentioned about a great guy. We finally brought back the old love triangle of Team 7. Bottom line, it's over exaggerated and happened only in Kage Summit Arc. You can look over the old ones in part 2 and it's hardly there, which is why a lot of us are mistaking that she is over with Sasuke. I see this as Kishi did it on purpose because now Naruto is that high in terms of friendship level, hence "Naruto is close", Sakura is putting into test on which guy she truly loves. She can like both, but who she would romantically engage with. We wait for the final verdict.
If we see it logical, we can say that in shounen the shy girl almost never gets the guy, who is in love with the heroine tsundere.
But on the other side if the hero is in love with the heroine tsundere, he almost always gets together with her in the end.
I think thats enough said, if we go on facts and logic.
#5855
Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:54 PM
But on the other side if the hero is in love with the heroine tsundere, he almost always gets together with her in the end.
I think thats enough said, if we go on facts and logic.
i would love to put "heroine tsundere" on sakura for me she's just "main female character" she's not heroish on part 2, kishi forgot about her.
She's important for naruto of course, but the things she do is small compared to a hero like naruto, it's part of her character likewise, she's not a overpowered monster.
Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 December 2012 - 07:55 PM.
#5856
Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:59 PM
She's important for naruto of course, but the things she do is small compared to a hero like naruto, it's part of her character likewise, she's not a overpowered monster.
Maybe shes not shown very heroine like, but the fact is that shes is a heroine, since thats just her role in the manga
#5857
Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:01 PM
her role is a main female character, not heroine yet let's see what she will do since she's going to be on the same squad of naruto.
#5858
Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:04 PM

Sure her role is also heroine since kishi decided to make her to one, also if its not shown very often.
#5859
Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:04 PM
She's important for naruto of course, but the things she do is small compared to a hero like naruto, it's part of her character likewise, she's not a overpowered monster.
That may be true, but she is a heroine/main character no less. She has been in the role of those who can't fight main character like some other Shounen, but again, main character. That said nothing will take her away from that. Even Kishi has to point that out and this is the guy that has "forgotten" her. While she still does get development mentally, physical action or more like a big "boss" battle is on hold or already done. I hope for the first one because like I said multple times, I really enjoy her vs. Sasori. It truly felt like an underdog fight, especially when you considered that everyone is like S level bosses. Anyway, here's hoping for something.
#5860
Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:12 PM
I'm saying is i never see sakura fighting with naruto against someome only on the RTN srsly.
the only major heroish scene was her fight against sasori but the rest she became someome who needs to be protected at any cost.
There's only one arc left.
I hope we got a fight like naruto/sakura against someome because this cant be possible.
This is the main reason that i dont call her tsundere heroine.
Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 08 December 2012 - 08:13 PM.
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