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[Superman333]

He is just throwing random references, how is one or two sentences gonna make an eclipse on a whole manga of development ?
Some nh fans still believe that 633 Hinata is gonna be Naruto's wife by interpreting her words in romantic aspect , how is she gonna force something even it was romantic , she wants to support him not be his wife ..... When it comes to NH and SS every moment and sentences are romantic , but if its NS , its a joke , red herring and such ,tell me please how are those not double standards? 

if thats the case then Kishimoto is ruining his own stuff and doens't even realize it . But I guess since she held his hand already that its done and Hinata's chapter is finished and all she is used for is her Byakugan lols . A human x-ray vision . SS is horrible . NH is one sided and NS the both of them is shown with feelings toward each other , NS is one thing Kishi has been consistent about . chpater 573 pretty much made SS die because Kishi states that Sasuke is coming back to kill lots of people . 

[Psychox]

She doesnt because Neji's death became comparable to when Chyo-baa died and Sakura was there it served as the same purpose not development, Neji's death didnt give development to Hinata.

 I was measuring up that she lost some one close a relative , i wasn't talking about development .

[TouKen4Life3g]

So, what's the topic, because I am in a mood to respond to one.

[Dkey]

-''I already explained how this flashback is not credible in another of my posts, one that you responded to in fact, but let’s roll with it anyway. Say Naruto does plan to confess after Sasuke comes back. Sasuke is obviously going to come back given a happy ending, and Naruto decides to confess to Sakura. This does not mean Sakura will return Naruto’s romantic feelings. Sakura loves Sasuke, and given Sasuke fully redeems himself as he most likely will, Sakura will choose him no question.Also, Sakura is already aware of Naruto’s feelings thanks to Sai. As it turns out, learning that Naruto has serious romantic feelings for her devastates her. It was the final straw that broke Sakura in the guilt trip. After reacting so negatively to hearing it the first time, there is no chance in hell Sakura will react positively the second time, especially after Sasuke is back. ''

Apparently Sasuke's redemption has the magical powers to fix everything including installing feelings for Sakura .. So, she will react negatively because Sasuke is back and she will turn down Naruto , because she thinks she loves Sasuke ? I will say no , because she has already developed romantical emotions for Naruto , but thats what she refuses and denies it at the end yet again. Thoughts?
 

 

This is something I don't agree. If people considered that the summit and 540 regressed Sakura's character this will invalidate any action she did the entire story.

She knows Naruto loves her and doesn't want for Naruto to suffer because of her, regardless of what she is doing.

So let's say that Sasuke goes back to the village and even shows some willingness to return Sakura's feelings I don't think Sakura will want to have anything with Sasuke because of Naruto's feelings. In a way before we said that NS can happen if Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are resolved but now SS is in the same situation because of Naruto's feelings.

Not saying that she will try to become Naruto's girlfriend just because Naruto loves her but she won't do anything that she thinks will make Naruto upset.

 

As for the fact that she couldn't kill Sasuke, people should understand that it's the story we are talking about. And it's more important than Sakura. If Sasuke died there imagine what would have happened. No foreshadowed ultimate battle between Naruto and Sasuke and everything would have ended after this war, also any relationship between the 2 would have been destroyed. Nevermind the fact that Kishi made a point of making a bad act the killing of your friends. Heck this is why Obito hates the world. So that Rin could save the village she forced Kakashi to kill her.

[Superman333]

So, what's the topic, because I am in a mood to respond to one.

we are talking about chapter 540 and how the fact that Sakura thinking about Sasuke made no moral sense whatsoever . 

[Psychox]

 

This is something I don't agree. If people considered that the summit and 540 regressed Sakura's character this will invalidate any action she did the entire story.

She knows Naruto loves her and doesn't want for Naruto to suffer because of her, regardless of what she is doing.

So let's say that Sasuke goes back to the village and even shows some willingness to return Sakura's feelings I don't think Sakura will want to have anything with Sasuke because of Naruto's feelings. In a way before we said that NS can happen if Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are resolved but now SS is in the same situation because of Naruto's feelings.

Not saying that she will try to become Naruto's girlfriend just because Naruto loves her but she won't do anything that she thinks will make Naruto upset.

 

As for the fact that she couldn't kill Sasuke, people should understand that it's the story we are talking about. And it's more important than Sakura. If Sasuke died there imagine what would have happened. No foreshadowed ultimate battle between Naruto and Sasuke and everything would have ended after this war, also any relationship between the 2 would have been destroyed. Nevermind the fact that Kishi made a point of making a bad act the killing of your friends. Heck this is why Obito hates the world. So that Rin could save the village she forced Kakashi to kill her.

There are three  fatal flaws in her statement , 1st Sasuke is indifferent to her lover he always was . 2d she already has feelings for Naruto we know that ,they are manga facts , but  if they are at the same level she loves Sasuke dunno really .. 3rd She supports NH and expects Naruto to return Hinatas feelings because she was almost killed twice for him ... And everybody will have a happy ending  , sometimes im wondering if they fallow the manga or are watching a fictional movie made by fans..

Edited by Psychox, 15 August 2013 - 01:18 PM.

[Superman333]

 

This is something I don't agree. If people considered that the summit and 540 regressed Sakura's character this will invalidate any action she did the entire story.

She knows Naruto loves her and doesn't want for Naruto to suffer because of her, regardless of what she is doing.

So let's say that Sasuke goes back to the village and even shows some willingness to return Sakura's feelings I don't think Sakura will want to have anything with Sasuke because of Naruto's feelings. In a way before we said that NS can happen if Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are resolved but now SS is in the same situation because of Naruto's feelings.

Not saying that she will try to become Naruto's girlfriend just because Naruto loves her but she won't do anything that she thinks will make Naruto upset.

 

As for the fact that she couldn't kill Sasuke, people should understand that it's the story we are talking about. And it's more important than Sakura. If Sasuke died there imagine what would have happened. No foreshadowed ultimate battle between Naruto and Sasuke and everything would have ended after this war, also any relationship between the 2 would have been destroyed. Nevermind the fact that Kishi made a point of making a bad act the killing of your friends. Heck this is why Obito hates the world. So that Rin could save the village she forced Kakashi to kill her.

he could have went about it a different way though , kishi coud made it where Sakura was actually going to kill him with no second thoughts , but Sasuke caught her in the act . But to me that scene shows me how much she cares about Naruto's thoughts because I believe in my heart that it was because of Naruto that she couldn't kill Sasuke . because Naruto wanted Sasuke to come back . She showed her selflessness towards Naruto in that that scene . 

Edited by Superman333, 15 August 2013 - 01:31 PM.

[sushi.]

I don't think too much of 540. It just shows that Sakura is in love with Sasuke, but doesn't want to be. He is still her primary love interest, however she hates it. Naruto is still in the process of becoming a love interest to her.

 

In terms of importance in her life though, I'll say she's already chosen Naruto.

Edited by sushi., 15 August 2013 - 01:53 PM.

[Superman333]

I don't think too much of 540. It just shows that Sakura is in love with Sasuke, but doesn't want to be. He is still her primary love interest, however she hates it. Naruto is still in the process of becoming a love interest to her.

 

In terms of importance in her life though, I'll say she's already chosen Naruto.

you do this all the time :)

[sushi.]

you do this all the time :)

what?

[Superman333]

what?

always sum everything up in so little words but it comes out with so much sense . 

[sushi.]

always sum everything up in so little words but it comes out with so much sense . 

Oh thank you.

[TouKen4Life3g]

we are talking about chapter 540 and how the fact that Sakura thinking about Sasuke made no moral sense whatsoever . 

Oh ok. This is my defense but can be changed depending on the end.

Well when you recap, think to yourself: when was the last time Sakura's love for Sasuke was brought up? In fact, when was the first time in part 2? That's right, it all began in the last arc, the Kage Summit Arc. In Sai and Sasuke arc, Naruto and others finally meet Sasuke, but the conversation belongs to Naruto. Kage Summit arc was the true first arc that only individual gets to interact.

That arc was the first time that Sasuke was announced that he has sunk so low that it's almost impossible to like him anymore. Naruto was the hope keeper and when they learned Sasuke has officially become the world criminal, it's hard to keep up this hope. In fact, is it worth having him. So, Kishi had each members of Team 7 to interact Sasuke and get their pov straight. The result was a disaster.

Sakura got to meet Sasuke the first time alone after so long and it cannot be any worse. Sasuke announced his plan and how he treated people like a replaceable tool. Not only that, but she knows that he's way too deep in his own mind that he don't even care anymore. When Naruto entered the scene, it was him that made her feel better; however, it's about Team 7, not Sasuke individually. Does that matter? Actually yes.

Chapter 540 shows that even though she believes Team 7 will get their happy ending, why does she feel bad for thinking Sasuke? Shouldn't she gets hope up? No, because the situation is about love. Sasuke can get his "happy ending" with the rest of Team 7, but what about as a person in a relationship with Sakura? What is her status with Sasuke? Not happy at all. The main problem is that no one is willing to trust him and he doesn't care. At the moment, no one in there seems to trust him at all and since Shikamaru is one of them, then you know you are glued to him as a wanted criminal. It's rather funny how in the last arc, Naruto didn't help that Sasuke is a good man or anything like that, rather only hope that all of them will get a happy ending. Basically, he didn't tell or give an idea that Sasuke is a good guy, rather acknowledged that he has fallen and Naruto will be the final wall for Sasuke to break through in order for his hatred resume or ends.

So am I defending this chapter 540? Because since Kishi brought up Sakura's love for Sasuke from last arc, it's only fitting that Sakura has to enter a new step in her life: letting it go. She got what she needed: Sasuke always seek vengeance, shows no opening for any talk with her (hence her words in the confession), always pushing away because of his indifference, has no problem breaking bonds, especially Naruto's one, and now, he doesn't care, so long he can get his desire. Those are enough to pile up that Sasuke is not a good man and since this is the first time she has been questioned about her love, it finally makes her wonder: is it really love? Again, first time being questioned. That said why now?

Remember, the love for Sasuke wasn't brought up until last arc because this was necessary for Sakura to work on since she needs to end one of her weakness: lingering feelings for someone who never has yours. Chapter 635 boosted up this idea because it's yet another moment of her view in the current status and once again, it's not good. Sai represents someone who needed to understand how to feel to have someone from the past return. His first thought wasn't positive because he feels that Sasuke don't earn it after all that, so he hoped for something out of Sakura. It didn't helped.

Now that we are near conclusion, it's reasonable to think this part of the character needs to end. The best part is that if she ends SS, her character is still not done. Not only she has Team 7 aspect to deal with, but guess what else? That's right, Naruto. The fact that Naruto left her wondering about his last speech (Both of us will die) already sets up a conversation in the future. So if ending SS is true with this arc, then I have no problem with 540.

[Superman333]

Oh ok. This is my defense but can be changed depending on the end.

Well when you recap, think to yourself: when was the last time Sakura's love for Sasuke was brought up? In fact, when was the first time in part 2? That's right, it all began in the last arc, the Kage Summit Arc. In Sai and Sasuke arc, Naruto and others finally meet Sasuke, but the conversation belongs to Naruto. Kage Summit arc was the true first arc that only individual gets to interact.

That arc was the first time that Sasuke was announced that he has sunk so low that it's almost impossible to like him anymore. Naruto was the hope keeper and when they learned Sasuke has officially become the world criminal, it's hard to keep up this hope. In fact, is it worth having him. So, Kishi had each members of Team 7 to interact Sasuke and get their pov straight. The result was a disaster.

Sakura got to meet Sasuke the first time alone after so long and it cannot be any worse. Sasuke announced his plan and how he treated people like a replaceable tool. Not only that, but she knows that he's way too deep in his own mind that he don't even care anymore. When Naruto entered the scene, it was him that made her feel better; however, it's about Team 7, not Sasuke individually. Does that matter? Actually yes.

Chapter 540 shows that even though she believes Team 7 will get their happy ending, why does she feel bad for thinking Sasuke? Shouldn't she gets hope up? No, because the situation is about love. Sasuke can get his "happy ending" with the rest of Team 7, but what about as a person in a relationship with Sakura? What is her status with Sasuke? Not happy at all. The main problem is that no one is willing to trust him and he doesn't care. At the moment, no one in there seems to trust him at all and since Shikamaru is one of them, then you know you are glued to him as a wanted criminal. It's rather funny how in the last arc, Naruto didn't help that Sasuke is a good man or anything like that, rather only hope that all of them will get a happy ending. Basically, he didn't tell or give an idea that Sasuke is a good guy, rather acknowledged that he has fallen and Naruto will be the final wall for Sasuke to break through in order for his hatred resume or ends.

So am I defending this chapter 540? Because since Kishi brought up Sakura's love for Sasuke from last arc, it's only fitting that Sakura has to enter a new step in her life: letting it go. She got what she needed: Sasuke always seek vengeance, shows no opening for any talk with her (hence her words in the confession), always pushing away because of his indifference, has no problem breaking bonds, especially Naruto's one, and now, he doesn't care, so long he can get his desire. Those are enough to pile up that Sasuke is not a good man and since this is the first time she has been questioned about her love, it finally makes her wonder: is it really love? Again, first time being questioned. That said why now?

Remember, the love for Sasuke wasn't brought up until last arc because this was necessary for Sakura to work on since she needs to end one of her weakness: lingering feelings for someone who never has yours. Chapter 635 boosted up this idea because it's yet another moment of her view in the current status and once again, it's not good. Sai represents someone who needed to understand how to feel to have someone from the past return. His first thought wasn't positive because he feels that Sasuke don't earn it after all that, so he hoped for something out of Sakura. It didn't helped.

Now that we are near conclusion, it's reasonable to think this part of the character needs to end. The best part is that if she ends SS, her character is still not done. Not only she has Team 7 aspect to deal with, but guess what else? That's right, Naruto. The fact that Naruto left her wondering about his last speech (Both of us will die) already sets up a conversation in the future. So if ending SS is true with this arc, then I have no problem with 540.

yeah you have apoint to not to mention that Kishi already said that Sasuke is going to the battlefiled to start carnage . 

[Superman333]

Oh thank you.

you welcome . 

[TouKen4Life3g]

yeah you have apoint to not to mention that Kishi already said that Sasuke is going to the battlefiled to start carnage . 

You know what I think. I think Kishi purposely have Sasuke entered the battlefield on the good side for one reason: to make K9 wonder if it's good to have him back. I think the reason why Naruto is being left out with the conversation is because in the next arc, it will be Team 7 heavy, but, it will be mainly Naruto/Sasuke heavy when dealing with Sasuke. That said this could be the last time for Sakura to deal with him, besides the ending which most likely be a "Team 7 rejoice" but that's not the point.

Why you think Sakura is left behind? Not only because of medic but Kishi is having her feeling the moment of reunion of all teams, but even so, she can't help but feel uneasy with Sasuke. This is possible that this is the last time she has to draw a conclusion with him. Remember how Sasuke only listens to Naruto when talking? Well here you go. Let's face it, Sakura and all others have nothing else to say to him. Nothing. That said she's now in the phase of what is to feel have Sasuke back. Remember how people said that she should draw a conclusion when Sasuke returns in a "good" term. Well, here it is. Yes, we know he has bad intentions, but only us audience know that, not characters in the story. They only know that he returns to help because many things has happened.

So what's my theory on this whole setup? Have Sakura think over, when freely, if Sasuke is good enough and that smile really says it all. Again, only we know his intentions, not characters in the story. In short, this is the closest everyone is going to get to teamup with Sasuke.

[sushi.]

I can kind of understand why Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke.

 

Up until the Summit arc, she had no idea what kind of person he had become. It must be hard to imagine, so she only knows Sasuke as he was in part 1. Before the Summit arc, she had no problem with these feelings. It was alright to hold on to them, after all it gave her determination. Now she is combating them.

 

Sakura's mind and heart are against eachother. That must be difficult, and it all started only a few weeks ago.

 

Her process to letting Sasuke go is speeding up because he is present. She can witness the person she is now, it's easier to confront her feelings and what he means to her.. She doesn't like this Sasuke, she won't accept the way he is now. He's about to do something evil, and she's keeping an eye on him. What shows their lack of trust is not 635, it's that Sakura was suspiscious before Sasuke did something suspiscious.

 

When Sasuke was mean to her in the past she always bowed her head down, when he was mean to others (Naruto), she snapped at him. I really think this is her limit.

 

Can we briefly say she loves Sasuke, but doesnt like him?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

You know what I think. I think Kishi purposely have Sasuke entered the battlefield on the good side for one reason: to make K9 wonder if it's good to have him back. I think the reason why Naruto is being left out with the conversation is because in the next arc, it will be Team 7 heavy, but, it will be mainly Naruto/Sasuke heavy when dealing with Sasuke. That said this could be the last time for Sakura to deal with him, besides the ending which most likely be a "Team 7 rejoice" but that's not the point.

Why you think Sakura is left behind? Not only because of medic but Kishi is having her feeling the moment of reunion of all teams, but even so, she can't help but feel uneasy with Sasuke. This is possible that this is the last time she has to draw a conclusion with him. Remember how Sasuke only listens to Naruto when talking? Well here you go. Let's face it, Sakura and all others have nothing else to say to him. Nothing. That said she's now in the phase of what is to feel have Sasuke back. Remember how people said that she should draw a conclusion when Sasuke returns in a "good" term. Well, here it is. Yes, we know he has bad intentions, but only us audience know that, not characters in the story. They only know that he returns to help because many things has happened.

So what's my theory on this whole setup? Have Sakura think over, when freely, if Sasuke is good enough and that smile really says it all. Again, only we know his intentions, not characters in the story. In short, this is the closest everyone is going to get to teamup with Sasuke.

There will be no next arc probably.

There will be a fight between Naruto x Sasuke on this arc and Naruto is set to end next year.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I can kind of understand why Sakura still has feelings for Sasuke.

 

Up until the Summit arc, she had no idea what kind of person he had become. It must be hard to imagine, so she only knows Sasuke as he was in part 1. Before the Summit arc, she had no problem with these feelings. It was alright to hold on to them, after all it gave her determination. Now she is combating them.

 

Sakura's mind and heart are against eachother. That must be difficult, and it all started only a few weeks ago.

 

Her process to letting Sasuke go is speeding up because he is present. She can witness the person she is now, it's easier to confront her feelings and what he means to her.. She doesn't like this Sasuke, she won't accept the way he is now. He's about to do something evil, and she's keeping an eye on him. What shows their lack of trust is not 635, it's that Sakura was suspiscious before Sasuke did something suspiscious.

 

When Sasuke was mean to her in the past she always bowed her head down, when he was mean to others (Naruto), she snapped at him. I really think this is her limit.

 

Can we briefly say she loves Sasuke, but doesnt like him?

Hm, that's an interesting way to put it. I noticed that she always defend Naruto whenever a bad comment throws at him. Oddly enough, this reaction usually happens to the one will end up with the guy who is getting bad mouthed, if not already in relationship. No joke. Anyway, I do agree about 635 is not the first sign of lack of trust. I see 635 as a sign of her status overall with Sasuke. I am happy that Sasuke is here because not only this may the closest you can get to have him in your side, but this is the good time to think over with him being around.

[TouKen4Life3g]

There will be no next arc probably.

There will be a fight between Naruto x Sasuke on this arc and Naruto is set to end next year.

Never know yet. Next arc could be short, like first arc short. I rather have one more arc because everyone is weaken, especially Naruto. Unless Krillin shows up with senzou bean, then nevermind. Also, Kishi is known to mistake on his ending of manga. Even if it ends next year, you can fit 3-5 volumes a year and we still got 4 months left which probably all it needs to conclude this arc and head to the finale. Anything is possible with Kishi being mistaken multiple time. He said it himself.