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[Sakura Blossoms]

Well at the time the poll went up...you kinda sorta were XD

[Onionhead Attacks]

Well at the time the poll went up...you kinda sorta were XD

Psstt... add Taang in there. I'm a shipper too!

[Sakura Blossoms]

Already tried, doesn't work XD

You can only vote once, so if you voted already you can't again for say a new Taang choice.

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And I loved Season 3. Didn't like Season 2 nearly as much. But anywhoos! Major spoiler for the possible new Avatar series 8D

Just watched the 'premier' episode of the series finale with 'pop-up' extras on Nicktoons, and what Aang did to Ozai when he took away his fire-bending is called Energy-bending, which was of course taught to him by the Lion Turtle (which pre-dates even the Avatars, and knows the many secrets of the world/universe and energies and powers)

Energy-bending's full definition is the ability to take away another's bending powers.


LMFAO! At the very end after Aang and Katara kiss, the pop-up says:

KATAANG WINS!

Oh the epic lulz XD

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Toph: Blind because she's incapable of seeing anything else less badass than her. 8D

[Sherry]

the trailer is so...

COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!

I have to watch it!!
damn, that movie makes me want to be a waterbender!

[krisk]

Yeah, but despite stopping Ozai from his world domination, there will still be pockets of resistance especially coming from a nation whose sole goal (as defined by Ozai and whoever was king before him, Azulon? I don't remember), for a century was world domination. It'd really be more of a spin-off dealing with the troubles of steering a war machine back to peace. Then, they would get more money for producing more shows and eventually milking the franchise.

lol love the face at the end there

well, honestly if we're speaking of Bryke and their team here, I'd rather they not take over this project. I'd prefer a more adult viewpoint of this particular plot-line. A fire nation rebellion seems to call for maturity and a more defined dramatic feel. Hell if anything, the original series lacked a huge amount of these factors for understandably obvious reasons. This teams good at what they did - they made a kids show for kids by taking war and giving it a very vanilla viewpoint. No fault to them at all, but I'd prefer a more realistic take on this idea. I dunno apparently I'm very protective of really badass potential.

I can see what your saying because that occurred with the Star Wars EU for dozens of stories. But I have to add though with Zuko being the new Fire Lord, he would be entitled to have rule over those pockets of resistance, so they can be marked as traitors. Plus a lot of the main influential leaders that worked under the old fire lord died.

That plus the fact Aang didn't just defeat Ozai, he severed his bending. Now I don't know about you but someone as powerful as Ozai was reduced impotent by a 13 y/o kid, if that's not a shot to moral, I don't know what is.

yes, traitors of course, but Zuko has to watch his steps from now on. This newly acquired nation is like being handed a barely held together glass sculpture - Mr. Fire Lord is seriously walking on eggshells. He can't hope to gain any support if he continues the brash treatment of the people inspired by daddy and pop-pop.

Also don't forget that the majority of the population does not support the newly crowned and company. Remember that play and the audience? Only a minuscule fraction of the rest of the fire nation. What's Zuko gonna do then? Lock everyone up? He'll have to redeem his bloodline somehow. And on the topic of newly level-capped Ozai, I disagree. This man has never needed morale, this guy relies on hate and sadism and pure love for killing and power. Power especially, and I bet he still has tons of it. A rebellion fueled by the former Fire Lord's vengeance would be seriously hard to fight and stop. OH MAN I just remembered: Azula. This girl still has her bending, member? And she's psychotic. And her desire of revenge is probably the only thing keeping her alive right now. pfffft good luck Zuzu.

Anyway all these open ends available for nothing but speculation is why I loathed the turn of "spirit bending" or whatever the hell they call it now. Deus ex machina up in this finale threw me off so much. Christ. Now they have all this wasted potential.

Yes.

no. times infinity. divided by zero. I win, sit down.

So does anyone else see how the Zutara ship gives off NaruHina-like vibes, or is it just me? (please don't kill me, Zutara shippers!)

eh no. Is Hinata even alive? If she is has she suddenly become Naruto's equal and not a stalker-type person like I fondly remembered her to be? Has she, I dunno, become an actual non socially-inept human being around him? Dude NaruHina? I thought Naruto!canontards regarded Zutara as the SasuSaku equivalent? I'm confuse.

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i think TophxSokka would be the best partners in crime in existence ever. And they wouldn't even have to be bumping uglies. SOOO MAYBE TOPH/AANG. I JUST DON'T KNOW AANG I STILL JUST DON'T KNOW.

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i like this picture, because of the art... yeah. --Click here to view--

NAH JK YAY ROCK BONDAGE.

[chouzu_tao]

Avatar The Last Air Bender Movie 2

Looks like their is going to be a sequel to a movie that's not even out yet. More info won't be released until 2011 though.

If you're talking about "The Last Airbender" movie, the idea was always to do a trilogy. And from the looks of the trailer Each movie will be one 'book'.

Already tried, doesn't work XD

You can only vote once, so if you voted already you can't again for say a new Taang choice.

~~~

And I loved Season 3. Didn't like Season 2 nearly as much. But anywhoos! Major spoiler for the possible new Avatar series 8D

Just watched the 'premier' episode of the series finale with 'pop-up' extras on Nicktoons, and what Aang did to Ozai when he took away his fire-bending is called Energy-bending, which was of course taught to him by the Lion Turtle (which pre-dates even the Avatars, and knows the many secrets of the world/universe and energies and powers)

Energy-bending's full definition is the ability to take away another's bending powers.


LMFAO! At the very end after Aang and Katara kiss, the pop-up says:

KATAANG WINS!

Oh the epic lulz XD

I wish I had seen the pop-up re-runs. Apparently the writers/creators ventured onto some forums and learned about 'shipping' from them. As far as further Avatar, I think the series is great, and should be left as is. When they started the series the creators set out to only do three seasons. Which I think helped them tell a more complete and fulfilling story without any extraneous episodes to expand the series. What I could see is a short series about Zuko finding his mother. Anyway, as scared as I am to see this movie on Thursday, I can't wait to see Appa.

[blindeye]

Apparently the writers/creators ventured onto some forums and learned about 'shipping' from them.

OHHHHH They learned about shipping alright!

Many people starting shipping Mike and Brian together. Needless to say, Mike and Brian became extremely PISSED off at the whole Avatar community. Major fights between the creators and the fans broke out. The Avatar team was always close with the fans, so they felt this was a major betrayal.

[krisk]

Apparently the writers/creators ventured onto some forums and learned about 'shipping' from them.

Forums? Are you kidding? The show set a wildfire of fanwank and shipping wars and the like and what usually results from it? The fandom grows more restless, wild and uncontrollable. And as expected, during the AtLA conferences at the various conventions, the fans made their "shipping" choices apparent with their cosplay display, their skits, their posters, their comments, their fanart. C'mon the only thing they needed to do to find out about all this (aside from the very livid attention they got during conventions) was google "Katara + Zuko" or "Aang + Toph" hell, even "Foamy + Cabbage Man"

seriously. They created a monster.

OHHHHH They learned about shipping alright!

Many people starting shipping Mike and Brian together. Needless to say, Mike and Brian became extremely PISSED off at the whole Avatar community. Major fights between the creators and the fans broke out. The Avatar team was always close with the fans, so they felt this was a major betrayal.

get out, they were pissed about that? WHAT THE HELL HAHAHAHAHAHA I'M DYING

I never knew that! Holy craaap, sometimes they can be so immature. It's amazing how far they'd go to piss back at the fans. Wow, I thought they were just responding to the craziness that were some extremist Zutarians, didn't think they were involved (before that BS Book 4 nonsense) directly in the wank. LOLLLL this makes me happy. Thank you for the info, blindeye.

[Sakura Blossoms]

well, honestly if we're speaking of Bryke and their team here, I'd rather they not take over this project. I'd prefer a more adult viewpoint of this particular plot-line. A fire nation rebellion seems to call for maturity and a more defined dramatic feel. Hell if anything, the original series lacked a huge amount of these factors for understandably obvious reasons. This teams good at what they did - they made a kids show for kids by taking war and giving it a very vanilla viewpoint. No fault to them at all, but I'd prefer a more realistic take on this idea. I dunno apparently I'm very protective of really badass potential.

I disagree with giving it a more 'adult' feel. If one wants that then they can go see the movie. It looks dark, way more 'adult' than the tv series, and looks to have near sucked out all the comedy and lightheartedness that made the tv show such a fun joy to watch.

The reason the show connected and clicked with so many people was because it had as you call it a 'vanilla' viewpoint. It was fun, it was fresh, and they still kicked all sorts of major ass in it. Taking that away to make it more 'grown-up' would kill exactly what made this series so great.

If you're talking about "The Last Airbender" movie, the idea was always to do a trilogy. And from the looks of the trailer Each movie will be one 'book'.



I wish I had seen the pop-up re-runs. Apparently the writers/creators ventured onto some forums and learned about 'shipping' from them. As far as further Avatar, I think the series is great, and should be left as is. When they started the series the creators set out to only do three seasons. Which I think helped them tell a more complete and fulfilling story without any extraneous episodes to expand the series. What I could see is a short series about Zuko finding his mother.

Well it reruns every day on Nicktoons, so you should be able to catch it if you have that channel ^^

This month was the month of the 'Avatar State', more than likely to coincide with the new movie. They have blocks of specific-themed episodes each day and week, and at 8pm EST they would premier a 'new' pop-up Extras episode. So they will more than likely start re-running them now that the series finale pop-up ep premiered last night

I agree that they really don't need a second series. I loved how things ended and wrapped up so nicely in the final episode. Which was why it was such a huge WTF moment when Zuke asked about his mother

[chouzu_tao]

Forums? Are you kidding? The show set a wildfire of fanwank and shipping wars and the like and what usually results from it? The fandom grows more restless, wild and uncontrollable. And as expected, during the AtLA conferences at the various conventions, the fans made their "shipping" choices apparent with their cosplay display, their skits, their posters, their comments, their fanart. C'mon the only thing they needed to do to find out about all this (aside from the very livid attention they got during conventions) was google "Katara + Zuko" or "Aang + Toph" hell, even "Foamy + Cabbage Man"

seriously. They created a monster.

Well, I bought the new Avatar special edition Book 1, which really is just the original disc set with new packaging on the outside, an extra disc, and some artwork. On the extra disc, they say they learned of shipping from the forums.

[No WhereMan]

I agree that they really don't need a second series. I loved how things ended and wrapped up so nicely in the final episode. Which was why it was such a huge WTF moment when Zuke asked about his mother

I do agree with you about not needing a secondary series. I think if they did another series it just wouldn't have the same feel of the original, plus tarnish the whole thing. I think they did just fine leaving it alone. Maybe M. Knight might add his own thing to Zuko's mother so we'll get an answer that way. Either way, I'm not going to loose sleep on each and every loose end the show had.

Despite that big WTF moment at the end of it. ^^

[Mik3]

Can't wait to see the film this week, even though the 3D was done post production

[Kamina-Yoshi]

no. times infinity. divided by zero. I win, sit down.

Yes times Christopher Walken.

You Krisk, Shauna Pite.

Edited by Kamina-Yoshi, 27 June 2010 - 12:26 AM.

[tricksie]

Yes times Christopher Walken.

I'm going to use that in my next argument FTW.

[crazyefra]

I saw the whole series I laughed and felt good at watching something that was way better than any other Nickelodeon cartoon (excluding Spounge bob). Some characters reminded me of Naruto characters, for example, Aang looks like Naruto, Sokka looks like a combination of Iruka and Shikamaru, Katara looks like a dark skinned Sakura, Toph looks like a bad mouthed Hinata and Zuko looks like Sasuke with all his emoness.

[krisk]

I disagree with giving it a more 'adult' feel. If one wants that then they can go see the movie. It looks dark, way more 'adult' than the tv series, and looks to have near sucked out all the comedy and lightheartedness that made the tv show such a fun joy to watch.

The reason the show connected and clicked with so many people was because it had as you call it a 'vanilla' viewpoint. It was fun, it was fresh, and they still kicked all sorts of major ass in it. Taking that away to make it more 'grown-up' would kill exactly what made this series so great.

I know, I watched the same show you did. I loved the laughs. I loved the characters' lighthearted ways. I loved the vanilla flavor. But I never implied I hated the added drama in it either, just that it sorely lacked a certain type and amount. You have to remember that the humor wasn't the only thing that made this show great. For instance, if AtLA didn't have Zuko's arc, I wouldn't doubt it being dropped from many peoples watch list (mine included), only to be finished grudgingly for closure. The main antagonist pulls a total heel face turn with an impressive amount of development throughout 3 seasons. That was an important thing for me, and it wasn't even lighthearted or humorous. And not just Zuko, most of the other main characters grew in their own ways - which added so much to the show - and it didn't in the least have to rely on being funny. Sokka growing up from the boy to a man and finding his role as something other than the comic relief, Katara accepting and understanding her father and mother's absence in her life, respectively, Toph's acceptance of her parents, hell even Mai and Ty Lee reformed and stuck together. Dramatic development is a huge factor here and, imho, it would not in the slightest hinder future projects if it outweighed humor. The original show centers around war and the way they handled it was very delicate and guarded, if not too much, but understandably enough for a kid's show.

If I had had my way, I would've kept all that humor. All of it. But I would've added a large amount of the heavy stuff. These are kids in a very adult situation and, as such, they need to react in the same way somehow. Aside from the character development, there are other ways I can imagine making the series greater. There were no main/supporting character deaths (aside from Jet, but that was really unclear), no sexual situations (it's genocidal war - any day you can lose your life - and when it comes down to it, you don't hesitate to grasp any amount of comfort you can, physical or otherwise), or no characters falling to dark temptations like substance abuse, abuse in general, mental imbalance, etc. Although, keep in mind that even though I admit that they did have hallucinogens (cactus juice) and allusions of sex (Suki visiting Sokka's tent), they were completely vague about it, if not masking it completely with humor. And they didn't concentrate on Azula's insanity until the very end. That said, I'd totally go wild and shamelessly take advantage of all the suppressed potential.

But I accept my situation; it is what it is - I'm in no position to even hope to call or influence the shots, the target audience does not/was not intended to include my generation, and the show itself is complete (so to speak).

And so that's why I'm really into the aspect of an edgier touch to the spin-offs, moreso now than before. They're not kids anymore, the war now takes place in-nation, and the possibility of letting someone else take charge of the projects is available and very possible. Moreover, they wouldn't have to lose the humor appeal, just lessen it and/or adapt it to the new audience. A rebellion in the Fire Nation would be Zuko's turn, and as I implied before, Zuko's side of the story didn't have to rely on being humorous or lighthearted to be memorable - Aang's story took care of the majority of that.

Also that movie is a farce, total and complete bull dookie. Not even the forced aangst being shoved down my throat can remind me of AtLAs' unique drama anymore. It's not AtLA, it's "The Last Airbender" and the creators aren't Bryan and Mike, it's M. Knight Shyamalan. So, I'm not interested.

oh and speaking of, I heard that Bryke are seriously "upset" with the adaptation. I have my issues with them, sure, but man do I feel sorry for them.




tl;dr wall of text, drama counts too i like it. if i were boss there'd be more, bryke has a sad.

Well, I bought the new Avatar special edition Book 1, which really is just the original disc set with new packaging on the outside, an extra disc, and some artwork. On the extra disc, they say they learned of shipping from the forums.

oh.

Yes times Christopher Walken.

You Krisk, Shauna Pite.

No I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how much more fancy my font is than yours.


Yes.

Sound.

[chouzu_tao]

the Last Airbender

This movie has no heart, nothing is present until the final moment in the film when Aang confronts his feelings of grief (which I don't agree with). For a long time I've noticed a pattern in M Night films where actors work more as walking ideas vs real people. It's not all the time, sometimes the actors pull off a little more, but the way things are written it's more about the outcome and more about the idea than real people. Yes I know people often represent more than just a person in stories, but the well written ones have some observance of humanity not just face value first looks. Having to adapt material instead of write original material, Shyamalan's shown he fails to deliver when it's someone else's characters he has to portray. From his writing we are shown that he has no understanding of the depth each character carries. They're all written at surface value and never deliver more than one note of emotion or thought. No depth, no life, no essence. This is hideous work. Especially since all the characters of the world of Avatar, although they're archetypes, they've got depth, emotional color and a variety of character. That is the ultimate disservice to the source material and my number one reason for disliking this movie. Moving on to other sucks this movie has:

You can't stay true to an entire season if you're cramming it into one movie. If you're going to adapt an entire season of a series into one movie, don't or whittle it down to the important parts. If you're so intent on making the adaptation of a whole season into a movie you're going to have to trim it and you're going to cut some parts that people like. There's no way around it if you want an effective and good movie. First 2/3 of the movie are unimportant, really they're not, but that's how the material is treated, in turn why should the audience care? Really the first two sections of the movie work almost like those points in most animes that last past 26 episodes, when they review everything that's happened before, just in case for some reason there's a new audience that missed anything. Just flash backs. Little unimportant blimps to present enough information for the actual story to continue.

The acting is terrible! Bad! Bad! Bad! The southern water tribe section felt like a terrible community theater production. There was a lot of turmoil going in to this film with the casting of caucasian children for non-caucasian characters. I too have problems with this. I mean why wouldn't they cast the roles as "minorities"? At first I conjectured that it was because the kids they cast embodied the spirit of the characters so well that they couldn't help but cast them. If that were the case I wouldn't have cared so much. But it's not the case. Not to be mean, but they're mediocre at best. So I thought maybe they were cast because they know martial arts. But honestly I don't buy that. Not only is the kid playing Aang the only one who knows martial arts but even he at times is a victim of energy-less martial arts. And I don't know if it was because he was trying really hard to be in sync with the Katara actress, or if he was just self-conscious but there was no energy present in their movement. I don't buy it M Night. There's no way they couldn't have found a kid who knew martial arts that could also act. There are billions of people on this planet, heck in North America alone. I don't buy that these were the best kids for the roles and now I'm pissed! I'm also convinced that these kids had friends of or were kids of producers, which sucks because the creators of the show had producer credit. I'm serious. They're bad. I wanted to walk out of the theater within the first ten minutes.

The bending: not impressive at all, except for the last moment of the battle. There is a little posturing done as a set up to bending in the show but not these long power ranger/ masked rider poses. And there's no sense of culture or art to this. A lot of these people felt like they didn't know martial arts. They couldn't even fake seeming to know martial arts. The Earth benders are laughable. I almost burst out laughing when they first started doing their forms before the 'riot' to free themselves. Also, I never noticed before, and I understand why they address it the way they do, but in the show, fire benders were the only ones who DIDN'T need their element present to bend. They created it somehow.

There's no sense of a world. Only a speckle of a world. I again blame this on the first two sections of the movie. There's no time to let things sink in. There's a half-arse attempt to show us how bad things have gotten for the Earth benders, but they don't show us the hidden pride, the shame they suffer at the hands of the fire benders.

The romance between Sokka and Yue. It's not as bad but can someone say Padme and Anakin #2? There's no development so when the emotional moment comes there's no payoff. Who cares?

When adaptations are made there are usually liberties taken. There were a few taken but here's one that I remember most at the moment:

The giant fish spirit, although I don't think it would've been too out of the realm of things, I can kind of understand why they left it out. But honestly keeping it in, they could've made it horrifying, which it was in the show.

The Avatar: I know one of the things Aang struggles with is the fact that he is supposed to stop fire Lord Ozai, and everyone believes it has to be by murder. But none of the avatars ever mention anything about him being the avatar so he's not suppose to hurt people. It's quite the opposite, his past selves want him to do whatever it takes to defeat the fire lord. And what makes the last moments more important is that Aang comes to this because he doesn't believe in killing, which to me has a greater impact. Others might feel differently but I don't think the Avatar is viewed as a god to be worshipped. I just think of it as a highly respected role. In the movie he's treated like a god. I know it's added to illustrate higher pressure on Aang but I don't think it's needed. He's already the spiritual police of the entire world. He doesn't need the stress of a being a god-figure just thrown in.

Zuko: Too whiny and one-note angry. Honestly, I know Zuko at the beginning of the show was often angry and spitting fire, but that's what he was doing. He was passionate. What is presented is fake passion. His burn scar! It's supposed to be a horrifying mark of hatred and darkness his father instills in him. A mark of shame. A physical reminder of his "failures" that he can never be rid of. What he has looks like a slight allergic reaction. WTF? Were they afraid people couldn't connect with a character who was badly scared? DUMB!

Sokka: no humor, all one note. "I have to protect you. I have to protect you. I have to protect you." That's only part of what Sokka was. Yes it was one of his main points, but that's the point it's only ONE of his main points. M Night couldn't figure it out so he took one of the main points and made this character flat.

Katara: I'm not sure if this is just bad writing or if it's poor acting or both. She's given a lot of cheesy lines with no emotional build up to carry them so she lands flat on her face. Honestly a head scratcher. Ideas? I just know I don't like what's here.

Unle Iroh: UNCLE IROH!!! What did they do to you? They've made you humorless. He was one of my favorite characters. And they made him dull.

Last note for now: Don't let the music and visual effects in the last third of the movie fool you into liking this entire movie.

[desaix]

I've gotta agree -- pretty much my reaction to the same movie. Only slight disagreement I have with you is Iroh -- yes, he had no sense of humor (he didn't have an opportunity to show one, really, they gave him so few lines), but I could believe the actor's interpretation of Iroh as an honest one. The others didn't even seem to be MAKING an interpretation of the characters -- they just seemed to be saying their lines (occasionally shouting or speaking hoarsely when a so-called "emotion" needs to be displayed).

[shadow_Uzumaki]

Pretty much yeah, my reaction. Though I still can't find it hard to judge the movie too harshly, I also agree with desaix's view on Iroh, though he could use some humor. But it seems harder to find Yensid!Iroh funnier because of how thin he looks. I was always having problem with Patel's Zuko, I thought he needed more anger, but you are right, what he needs is actual passion, not "one-note anger" as you mentioned. In the end, I just think the whole movie needs energy, everyone just feels....lifeless. Oh well.