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[VanitasDS76491]

Just making sure. Also, yes. Naruto was the world strongest man by the time he was 17. Honestly in the Bolt movie from what I've saw if Naruto had kept in shape would have been able to handle both of the villains on his own. But he went to seed after marrying Hinata, which even the gaiden points out.
 
But if he had kept in shape all he would need to do is just learn the skills needed to become hokage and he would have been fine. Instead he sat around with Hinata raising their spoiled spawn, and look what we got instead.
 

It is coming out next week.
 
Both nH and SS only use Naruto and Sakura as insert characters. They fantasize about having sex Hinata and Sasuke. It why the SS fans got upset at the Gaiden when it implied that Sasuke and Sakura never had sex because that means they couldn't use her to imaging sex with Sasuke in their weird fantasies. Once they "learned" that Salad is their daughter they calmed down since that all they cared about (from what I understand they also sent many angry letters over those ten weeks.) nH hate Naruto as he is characterized that why in their fanfic they always make him the generic badass like bolt seems to turn into when he grows up.

If he was with Sakura he'd stay in shape and eat right and Sakura would make sure of that. Wow the nh and ss fans aren't even human my God.

[totherpage95]

 

remember this 

 

that's what naruto's about not about hinata getting married to someone she stalked since a young age...

 

i wonder if anyone can argue naruto surpassed his father in the end especially at hard work

Edited by totherpage95, 25 March 2017 - 04:38 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

If he was with Sakura he'd stay in shape and eat right and Sakura would make sure of that. Wow the nh and ss fans aren't even human my God.

Even people that hate Sakura have admitted that if Naruto had married her instead of Hinata. She would never have tolerated him neglecting his kids like he is doing now with Hinata. It one of the reasons why the more logical nH and SS fans are leaving and/or have left their fanbase.

 

that's what naruto's about not about hinata getting married to someone she stalked since a young age...

 

i wonder if anyone can argue naruto surpassed his father in the end especially at hard work

If you recall the hokages' talk with Sasuke it implied that the way Naruto would surpass them is by fixing their mistakes with the Uchiha and finishing the First's dream of preventing the death of children on the battlefield, by reforming the ninja system. The First died too young to finish his dream and was unable to mend his relationship with Madara. The Second focused more on finishing up setting up the infrastructure of the village, also due to his distrust of the Uchiha set up a compound to isolate them from the rest of the village and only trust those that had proven themselves. The Third ruled for the longest time and formed the general idea of what it meant to be a leaf ninja, but he kept Danzo around in the shadows to do his wet-work which is part of the reason he was unable to make peace with the Uchiha leading to a democide. The Fourth died too young to fix anything even though he knew their were problems going on in the village. The Fifth Tsunade made it clear that the main reason she accepted the role was to hold the position until she considered Naruto was ready; so she didn't really change much, she also didn't really have to deal with the Uchiha. The Sixth Kakashi took Naruto's spot and did nothing with it since he was just their for the posters for the last, and he all but in word banished the last Uchiha from the village. And now Naruto the Seventh has done nothing as well since the war end well over 14 years before he became hokage; so any real reform to the ninja system after the war beyond technological advancement was to late to seriously enact, and the Uchiha problem was all but resolved by the time he took the position. Since Sasuke is the only one who knows the whole truth of what happened to his clan which he is not telling his daughter, who dreams of becoming hokage.

 

So Naruto has done nothing as Hokage.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 25 March 2017 - 09:35 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

Even people that hate Sakura have admitted that if Naruto had married her instead of Hinata. She would never have tolerated him neglecting his kids like he is doing now with Hinata. It one of the reasons why the more logical nH and SS fans are leaving and/or have left their fanbase.
 

If you recall the hokages' talk with Sasuke it implied that the way Naruto would surpass them is by fixing their mistakes with the Uchiha and finishing the First's dream of preventing the death of children on the battlefield, by reforming the ninja system. The First died too young to finish his dream and was unable to mend his relationship with Madara. The Second focused more on finishing up setting up the infrastructure of the village, also due to his distrust of the Uchiha set up a compound to isolate them from the rest of the village and only trust those that had proven themselves. The Third ruled for the longest time and formed the general idea of what it meant to be a leaf ninja, but he kept Danzo around in the shadows to do his wet-work which is part of the reason he was unable to make peace with the Uchiha leading to a democide. The Fourth died too young to fix anything even though he knew their were problems going on in the village. The Fifth Tsunade made it clear that the main reason she accepted the role was to hold the position until she considered Naruto was ready; so she didn't really change much, she also didn't really have to deal with the Uchiha. The Sixth Kakashi took Naruto's spot and did nothing with it since he was just their for the posters for the last, and he all but in word banished the last Uchiha from the village. And now Naruto the Seventh has done nothing as well since the war end well over 14 years before he became hokage; so any real reform to the ninja system after the war beyond technological advancement was to late to seriously enact, and the Uchiha problem was all but resolved by the time he took the position. Since Sasuke is the only one who knows the whole truth of what happened to his clan which he is not telling his daughter, who dreams of becoming hokage.
 
So Naruto has done nothing as Hokage.

Well that's shocking that sakura haters say she should have gotten with naruto instead a kittening whore.
So in other words all 7 hokage where useless in the grand scem of things, also I don't think naruto has been hokage for 14 years if both his kids where around I'd say he was hokage for 7 or 8 at most. So he does less then he use to.
Wait if naruto for that long in gaiden who was watching the village? I'm still waiting for someone to plan an assassination attempt on him cause you it would happen and it would be welcomed.

[Bail o' Lies]

Well that's shocking that sakura haters say she should have gotten with naruto instead a kittening whore.
So in other words all 7 hokage where useless in the grand sceme of things, also I don't think naruto has been hokage for 14 years if both his kids where around I'd say he was hokage for 7 or 8 at most. So he does less then he use to.
Wait if naruto for that long in gaiden who was watching the village? I'm still waiting for someone to plan an assassination attempt on him cause you it would happen and it would be welcomed.

It not should have gotten with Sakura as much as, "she would have been better then Hinata."

 

Not the first three. The first established the village, the second made the village, and the third ran the village. The fourth gave his life before he could do anything, but his death sets off the story. It the next three that are the problem. Both Kakashi and Tsunade are both hokage so they can hold the title till they give it to Naruto when they think he is ready for it. Kakashi should not have become hokage and the only reason he did is because they wanted a cool image to sell the Last. Naruto should have become the Sixth after the war and reformed the ninja system and made peace with Sasuke.

 

"Wait if naruto for that long in gaiden who was watching the village?" What? Naruto only recently became hokage by the time the gaiden came out, which was 14-15 years after the war arc. Too late to do any real reform to the ninja system that would have been more effective after the war arc, and Sasuke resolved the Uchiha problem on his own by carrying the truth to the grave and letting his daughter be raise without his involvement. Who eventually dreams of becoming hokage and will marry Naruto's son ending the Uchiha clan by marrying into the Uzumaki clan. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 25 March 2017 - 01:06 PM.

[totherpage95]

I agree with your logic bail o lies (i almost don't remember that sasuke met with the kage it feels like so long ago) but what i don't understand is what the naruto fandom's reaction to the anime ending is... seems like i see fans sad it's over but personally its been terrible recently so i don't really care it ended. and some narusaku fans feel like it should've been narusaku but i really wouldn't want narusaku this way

Edited by totherpage95, 25 March 2017 - 05:43 PM.

[Bail o' Lies]

I agree with your logic bail o lies (i almost don't remember that sasuke met with the kage it feels like so long ago) but what i don't understand is what the naruto fandom's reaction to the anime ending is... seems like i see fans sad it's over but personally its been terrible recently so i don't really care it ended. and some narusaku fans feel like it should've been narusaku but i really wouldn't want narusaku this way

It been going on in the states since roughly 2003 right? That's a long time that it been apart of their lives.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

remember this 

 

that's what naruto's about not about hinata getting married to someone she stalked since a young age...

 

i wonder if anyone can argue naruto surpassed his father in the end especially at hard work

And in terms of power and such, the only thing Naruto really surpassed Minato in is pure brute power, but that's really it, and even that's only really because of Sage Mode + Kurama's chakra boosting him up, not Naruto's own power. Even though Hashirama was revealed to suddenly have a Sage Mode out of nowhere and Minato somehow got a Kurama chakra cloak too despite the properties of the Shiki Fuin supposedly keeping his and half of Kurama's chakra locked in combat in the Shinigami's stomach for eternity, they at least showed beforehand how skilled and powerful the two were naturally without such things. (Really, I'm pretty sure the only reason such things were introduced to them was because of how OP they made Obito and Madara as well as the whole "Naruto must be directly connected to every non-Uchiha powerhouse because he's 'special' even though he's also supposed to be about 'hard work'" crap).

I don't even consider him to have truly mastered the Rasengan yet either, largely because he can't do it all "on his own" - still requiring 1-2 Kage Bushin or Kurama's chakra just to start making it, then if he wants to actually add Futon chakra to it for the Rasenshuriken, he has to use Sage Mode just so the blades of wind don't slice up his own arm into being unusable, as well as to be able to throw it. And even then, it still takes considerably longer to form whereas, if Minato hadn't died so young, he probably would be able to form and throw an elemental Rasengan all on his own in just a second or two compared to Naruto's like...10, even with Kage Bunshin and Sage Mode / Kurama's chakra.

And when it comes to skill...yeah...Naruto has been a generally one-trick pony overall and so it stands to reason that the only reason members of Akatsuki, especially ones like Kakuzu and Pein, would keep falling for Naruto's age-old Kage Bunshin + henge trick that he's used ever since against Zabuza is PIS (Plot-induced stupidity) on their part. Otherwise, you'd think that a group that has been constantly keeping tabs on the Biju and Jinchuriki would know Naruto's simplistic method of fighting to a T, expect it in battle, and counter it.

[Nostradamus]

Naruto was one of the best and longest running series from their childhood=They supported nH despite the fact that it was obviously going for NS the entire time=By being one of the people that supported nH since the beginning they were proven right despite everything against them, this gives them an ego boost for finally being right about something=A movie was made about the pairing they supported despite everything going against it, so it must be well love in order to get a movie= A movie is made about the pairing son there for the previous movie must have been a success and people love the pairing they supported=A new series is coming out being based on the child must mean their movie sold well=Seeing as the series that ended in the perfect pairing that you supported and they raised a child together the child must have the combine traits that you love from them=So this is going to be a better story then the original with even better character from the original since this they are spawned from the pairings they supported.

 

Haven't thought about it like that. Nice perspective. Also makes sense.

 

Nos you are a smart independent person that can think for themselves and have their own opinion. nH are nothing like you. They are fanatics. They want to be in a part of a big group that all think the same and don't have a single dissenting thought. By being apart of that big group makes them feel smarter since everyone is agreeing with them and everyone thinks the same as them. They hate people that have a differentiating opinion then them because it not you just have a different view. to them you are question their very intelligence if not their reality. 

Here we have an old saying. "Cei ce se aseamana, se aduna." it means "Those who are alike, gather." Recently we've started to use it as a means of making fun of others. But the real meaning behind it, is that we as humans seek acknowledgement, we seek people who view things and have thoughts as we do. We try to find people like us.

I am here because you guys have similar thoughts to mine, however I'm not going to agree with everything all the time just so I can fit in.

And this is something I think most people are afraid to do. To step outside of the norm and declare their independent thoughts. And I think the fear is because they believe if they show to have other thoughts, then the others won't agree with them anymore, or see them the same way.

I believe people should not be afraid of speaking their mind or disagreeing with something. I believe that's what makes us grow.

[VanitasDS76491]

It not should have gotten with Sakura as much as, "she would have been better then Hinata."
 
Not the first three. The first established the village, the second made the village, and the third ran the village. The fourth gave his life before he could do anything, but his death sets off the story. It the next three that are the problem. Both Kakashi and Tsunade are both hokage so they can hold the title till they give it to Naruto when they think he is ready for it. Kakashi should not have become hokage and the only reason he did is because they wanted a cool image to sell the Last. Naruto should have become the Sixth after the war and reformed the ninja system and made peace with Sasuke.
 
"Wait if naruto for that long in gaiden who was watching the village?" What? Naruto only recently became hokage by the time the gaiden came out, which was 14-15 years after the war arc. Too late to do any real reform to the ninja system that would have been more effective after the war arc, and Sasuke resolved the Uchiha problem on his own by carrying the truth to the grave and letting his daughter be raise without his involvement. Who eventually dreams of becoming hokage and will marry Naruto's son ending the Uchiha clan by marrying into the Uzumaki clan.

So how far is naruto into his term as hokage in the ending or gaiden?
At this point sakura would make a better hokage than Naruto.
Ya sakura and sarada are better off without sasuke and it would be great if sarada hated sasuke in the end of gaiden and finds her own path. That could work if shinachiku was a thing, he and sarada would work well together.

[BlueStarSaber]

So how far is naruto into his term as hokage in the ending or gaiden?
At this point sakura would make a better hokage than Naruto.
Ya sakura and sarada are better off without sasuke and it would be great if sarada hated sasuke in the end of gaiden and finds her own path. That could work if shinachiku was a thing, he and sarada would work well together.

Funny enough I believe the Baruto movie novel stated that sakura was sutiable to replace Naruto as Hokage (I assume this was when Naruto was captured)

[VanitasDS76491]

Funny enough I believe the Baruto movie novel stated that sakura was sutiable to replace Naruto as Hokage (I assume this was when Naruto was captured)

Really that's interesting plus she was trained by tsunade so she qualified to hokage. I'm surprised cause that's a complaining to sakura, I though they'd asspull that hinata would take over as hokage til naruto came back If he was still alive.
I've heard the so called perfect wedding we don't even see it, we don't see at the altar, saying vows, doing the I do' s, they kissing. Which makes me wonder why even show do the wedding if your not actually going to show it, but all this series do is waste our time now.

[rocci]

@halfdemoninuyahsa
Sm and km are naruto own power.
Naruto is not skillful but he's resourceful like most manga protagonist.
I agree with the rest.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

@halfdemoninuyahsa
Sm and km are naruto own power.
Naruto is not skillful but he's resourceful like most manga protagonist.
I agree with the rest.

Naruto's Sage Mode belongs to the Toad Summons and Kurama's chakra is obviously Kurama's, not Naruto's (the only way it would have become "Naruto's" is due to Minato's seals forcibly extracting Kurama's chakra, then converting it into Naruto's little by little as he grew up and his chakra coils developed). They're both otherwise completely separate powers that Naruto had to learn from others from  another dimension or, in the case of Kurama's chakra, forcibly taken / be given in order to use.

On the other hand, say what you will about the Sharingan in general, at least it's still "Sasuke's power" from being born of the Uchiha Clan.

[VanitasDS76491]

Naruto's Sage Mode belongs to the Toad Summons and Kurama's chakra is obviously Kurama's, not Naruto's (the only way it would have become "Naruto's" is due to Minato's seals forcibly extracting Kurama's chakra, then converting it into Naruto's little by little as he grew up and his chakra coils developed). They're both otherwise completely separate powers that Naruto had to learn from others from  another dimension or, in the case of Kurama's chakra, forcibly taken / be given in order to use.
On the other hand, say what you will about the Sharingan in general, at least it's still "Sasuke's power" from being born of the Uchiha Clan.

But doesn't stop sasuke from being a theif and learning things without really working for it.

[totherpage95]

i almost wish i could go back in time and not watch the last naruto episode

[rocci]

@half demoninuyahsa
So does rasengan, sakura power punch, sand control, and almost everything in this manga and other manga are learnable power that acquire or claim by any mean necessary.
That mean anything that naruto or any characters learn or claim become their own power. That's why I never count out km and especially sm as not naruto power.

@vanitas
Imo the hardwork vs genius is wrong concept in this manga. It should be "how to make arrogant genius a humble person".
Because genius in this manga does indeed work hard.

[Bail o' Lies]

And in terms of power and such, the only thing Naruto really surpassed Minato in is pure brute power, but that's really it, and even that's only really because of Sage Mode + Kurama's chakra boosting him up, not Naruto's own power. Even though Hashirama was revealed to suddenly have a Sage Mode out of nowhere and Minato somehow got a Kurama chakra cloak too despite the properties of the Shiki Fuin supposedly keeping his and half of Kurama's chakra locked in combat in the Shinigami's stomach for eternity, they at least showed beforehand how skilled and powerful the two were naturally without such things. (Really, I'm pretty sure the only reason such things were introduced to them was because of how OP they made Obito and Madara as well as the whole "Naruto must be directly connected to every non-Uchiha powerhouse because he's 'special' even though he's also supposed to be about 'hard work'" crap).

I don't even consider him to have truly mastered the Rasengan yet either, largely because he can't do it all "on his own" - still requiring 1-2 Kage Bushin or Kurama's chakra just to start making it, then if he wants to actually add Futon chakra to it for the Rasenshuriken, he has to use Sage Mode just so the blades of wind don't slice up his own arm into being unusable, as well as to be able to throw it. And even then, it still takes considerably longer to form whereas, if Minato hadn't died so young, he probably would be able to form and throw an elemental Rasengan all on his own in just a second or two compared to Naruto's like...10, even with Kage Bunshin and Sage Mode / Kurama's chakra.

And when it comes to skill...yeah...Naruto has been a generally one-trick pony overall and so it stands to reason that the only reason members of Akatsuki, especially ones like Kakuzu and Pein, would keep falling for Naruto's age-old Kage Bunshin + henge trick that he's used ever since against Zabuza is PIS (Plot-induced stupidity) on their part. Otherwise, you'd think that a group that has been constantly keeping tabs on the Biju and Jinchuriki would know Naruto's simplistic method of fighting to a T, expect it in battle, and counter it.

Naruto normally relies on either brute force, endurance, or trickery to win his battles. That works for when he was a genin. That doesn't really work for the role of Hokage. From what we seen the kages even if they don't or can't use a wide range of abilities; they tend to have a broad of enough knowledge that if a unique ability or object comes before them they either know what it is or can analyze it to figure it out pretty quickly. From what I've seen in both the gaiden and the Boruto manga Naruto doesn't have then as hokage. he may have once had it in his manga but if he did its long gone to seed like the rest of him.

 

I think we had a topic talking about the problems with battles, and power scaling sometime this or last month.

 

 

Naruto was one of the best and longest running series from their childhood=They supported nH despite the fact that it was obviously going for NS the entire time=By being one of the people that supported nH since the beginning they were proven right despite everything against them, this gives them an ego boost for finally being right about something=A movie was made about the pairing they supported despite everything going against it, so it must be well love in order to get a movie= A movie is made about the pairing son there for the previous movie must have been a success and people love the pairing they supported=A new series is coming out being based on the child must mean their movie sold well=Seeing as the series that ended in the perfect pairing that you supported and they raised a child together the child must have the combine traits that you love from them=So this is going to be a better story then the original with even better character from the original since this they are spawned from the pairings they supported.

 

Haven't thought about it like that. Nice perspective. Also makes sense.

 

Nos you are a smart independent person that can think for themselves and have their own opinion. nH are nothing like you. They are fanatics. They want to be in a part of a big group that all think the same and don't have a single dissenting thought. By being apart of that big group makes them feel smarter since everyone is agreeing with them and everyone thinks the same as them. They hate people that have a differentiating opinion then them because it not you just have a different view. to them you are question their very intelligence if not their reality. 

Here we have an old saying. "Cei ce se aseamana, se aduna." it means "Those who are alike, gather." Recently we've started to use it as a means of making fun of others. But the real meaning behind it, is that we as humans seek acknowledgement, we seek people who view things and have thoughts as we do. We try to find people like us.

I am here because you guys have similar thoughts to mine, however I'm not going to agree with everything all the time just so I can fit in.

And this is something I think most people are afraid to do. To step outside of the norm and declare their independent thoughts. And I think the fear is because they believe if they show to have other thoughts, then the others won't agree with them anymore, or see them the same way.

I believe people should not be afraid of speaking their mind or disagreeing with something. I believe that's what makes us grow.

 

We don't agree on everything here. We are bonded together with the knowledge that none of us like the ending, but we have differentiating opinions on why it was bad and what was once good about it. The problem with nH fanbase is that they have a very collective mindset you have to agree with everything in the party line or your not one of them. I've seen several Hinata fans complain about this online. They even question if the ending was good and they get harassed by their own friends. 

 

So how far is naruto into his term as hokage in the ending or gaiden?

 

At this point sakura would make a better hokage than Naruto.

 

Ya sakura and sarada are better off without sasuke and it would be great if sarada hated sasuke in the end of gaiden and finds her own path. 

Look at the one shot of the hokages inauguration. Bolt, Salad, and the daughter don't look that much younger then they do in the gaiden. Also in chapter 700 kiba mentions that kakashi only recently stepped down.

 

She probably would simply because she use to help Tsunade and most likely Kakashi while Naruto spent his time with Hinata. She knows more about the job then the main character that spent over twenty years striving towards becoming hokage; mainly because instead of 14-15 years of being trained for the job he instead spent his time lounging around the village till the last happened then spent 12 year raising terrible spoiled children.

 

She does. Does anyone actually read to my summaries or my post? By the time of the movie she wants to be the antithesis of her father and looks to Naruto as a role model that why her dream is to become hokage.

 

Funny enough I believe the Baruto movie novel stated that sakura was suitable to replace Naruto as Hokage (I assume this was when Naruto was captured)

Honestly, if she became hokage after Naruto is killed that might be one of the only interesting ideas that manga may have. Even then it just makes her another Tsunade holding the position till a worthy succession comes along.

 

@half demoninuyahsa
So does rasengan, sakura power punch, sand control, and almost everything in this manga and other manga are learnable power that acquire or claim by any mean necessary.
That mean anything that naruto or any characters learn or claim become their own power. That's why I never count out km and especially sm as not naruto power.

@vanitas
Imo the hardwork vs genius is wrong concept in this manga. It should be "how to make arrogant genius a humble person".
Because genius in this manga does indeed work hard.

Honestly that genius vs hardwork theme only seems to exist during the chunin exams every other arc other then sometime the conflict between Naruto and Sasuke it's barely brought up.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 26 March 2017 - 12:14 PM.

[rocci]

@bail
Naruto get nerf in order to make burito shine.

Yeah, I agree but that's how the narutofan perceived. That theme brought up with rock lee and neji. But doesn't naruto also use that theme especially with loser design, his rivalry with genius sasuke, and his never give up attitude?

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

@half demoninuyahsa
So does rasengan, sakura power punch, sand control, and almost everything in this manga and other manga are learnable power that acquire or claim by any mean necessary.
That mean anything that naruto or any characters learn or claim become their own power. That's why I never count out km and especially sm as not naruto power.

@vanitas
Imo the hardwork vs genius is wrong concept in this manga. It should be "how to make arrogant genius a humble person".
Because genius in this manga does indeed work hard.

The most I consider them are "tools" Naruto acquired, but not truly "his power". Like I don't see the normal Rasengan as "his", but Minato's, but the Rasenshuriken I do see as his as it's something he made on his own, just not, from my POV, not truly mastered yet.