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[TouKen4Life3g]

I wonder the makers of Rock Lee sd might so that.

[Hiraishin]

It would be kind of dumb for the world's most powerful technique to be countered by a pair of sunglasses.

Yeah haha but I've seen some people speculating that it might not affect him cause of his sunglasses.

Oh boy! I wished he was out of IT. I wanted to see him fight more XD

Same. It's too bad, but I didn't expect anything different.

[TouKen4Life3g]

That sounds like One Piece joke of counter. It won't work here since this is established to be "serious".

You know, I noticed something. Naruto lost his jutsu and can't do anymore or for time being. Damn.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

Going back to the discussion of Sakura losing feelings for Sasuke and how she could acknowledge her love for Naruto.

 

One thing that is not certain for me is that Sakura's feelings for Sasuke are decreasing because he is evil. I know this is the position that some have here and why they think her feelings haven't changed after all as it would harm her character in their eyes. Could Sakura's feelings not be changing because she realizes that Sasuke doesn't care about her romantically and possibly never cared about her that way, or maybe that she also has growing feelings for someone else? This wouldn't preclude her from thinking sadly of Sasuke as he is still her old friend and still in darkness.

 

This is a possible scenario I have for how Sakura will resolve her feelings.

 

At some point Sakura may confront her own feelings for Sasuke and why she developed them in the first place. The user Redragon88 on this site has a good theory on why she did. (Hope I got your name right!) She would maybe come to realize that her love wasn't exactly based on the purest of feelings. She sought validation from the most popular, talented, and good looking boy in the class. Having him return her feelings would make up for the insecurities she felt. Later her love evolved into wanting to save him from darkness yet she still sought his validation. Maybe at the time she's realizing this she would recognize everything Naruto had done for her and even the feelings that she she felt for him at certain times. She would realize that Naruto had been acknowledging her from the very start and that she in turn had grown closer to him without fully realizing it, not wanting to see him fail and putting her faith in him entirely. But maybe Sakura would have uncertainty about Naruto's feelings for her until he confessed his own feelings as his earlier conversation with Sai implied. Alternatively maybe she doesn't even think about Naruto until he actually makes his confession.

 

This isn't very well thought out as I honestly haven't thought about this aspect too much and I'm sure I've reiterated much of what others have said. Also it's pure conjecture. It may happen or it won't. Regardless I think it makes sense and it doesn't put Naruto into a position of silver medal. Sakura will resolve her feelings on her own. She may or may not reveal this information to Sasuke to finally get it off her chest though I'm hoping that she will. Naruto will be given agency in asking for Sakura's love and she will be happy to give it rather than her going to him as a sense of obligation as many here seem to fear.

 

This is probably more or less the idea that's been floating around my head for the final resolution for a while now, but I haven't up till now tried putting it together. I guess I more or less assumed that everything would turn out alright but many people are worrying about it and even I was starting to wonder how it was going to be resolved. Again I've borrowed bits and pieces from what other users have mentioned in addition to my own thoughts.

 

Please whoever reads this, criticize and point out any contradictions you may find so we might discuss it. This is a seriously sticky issue on this forum and I'd like to be able to address it in a way that makes us all feel better. Thanks!

 

 

Hmmm... Maybe I should have posted this in the debate thread?

 

Here is fine.  The chapter discussion is versatile.

 

I agree with what you said about Sakura confronting her feelings for Sasuke.  Her wanting to be acknowledged by Sasuke has been around since chapter 3.  However, we don't know why she wants that specifically from him.  It could be related to her competition to Ino, or it could be as you said, to have acknowledgment from the most popular student to make up for her insecurities.  It started as something shallow, but she did start to genuinely love him, when experiencing Sasuke's darker moments, and still wanting to be with him.  However, it's uncertain if this love was one from a lover or a friend.  It's natural to want to help your friend in times of need, and that doesn't necessarily relate to romantic love, or else Naruto would be guilty of the same thing, and it's what created the NaruSasu ship.  A moment must come for Sakura to explore her own feelings, and find the root of her affection for Sasuke.  Also, she can't do that without facing herself too, because she has to discover why she sought for his acknowledgment in the first place.

 

We already her questioning her feelings in chapter 54:

54

 

Out of the things she could have said about Sasuke, why would she say "I always said I liked Sasuke-kun."?  Wouldn't it have made more sense in this case to say she wanted Sasuke's acknowledgement?  Two things can be taken from this.  One is that her love for Sasuke and wanting his acknowledgment are likely the same thing.  The second is that Kishimoto wrote it like that to get Sakura and the audience to question her love for him.  We know what Sakura's childhood was like.  She was bullied about her wide forehead.  Ino managed to help her in ways to have more confidence, but it's not easy to repair the confidence damaged.  She exhibits confidence outwardly, but that's more for show than anything else.  In the scan above, she even says that when it matters, she's in the back, watching her teammates, despite the confidence she displays or what she thinks of herself.  Maybe, in the beginning, she didn't like Sasuke, what she liked was his strength and self-confidence.  Traits she desired herself.  If she could gain the acknowledgment of such a person, she could feel that she had the same qualities as him, as talked about earlier of making up for her insecurities.  It's actually quite common for people to do that.  We seek what we lack in others, and as such, we are attracted to that person.  Naruto was similar.  He was drawn to Sasuke because they both were alone.  However, Naruto was also envious that Sasuke was good at everything, while he wasn't, and as such, made him a rival, and his goal.  The difference between Naruto and Sakura is that Sakura may have confused this attraction as love, when it's really just similar to Naruto's feelings, and have been the whole time.  She just needs to confirm that for herself.

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 22 May 2014 - 08:03 PM.

[narusaku256]

but bee is one of the jinchuriki left, there may be some chance for him to escape, not much, but some little chance..

Well, if its the case of a jinchuuriki then probably Gaara should be no different and he should also remain unaffected.

[TrueSacrifice]

@DattebayoXShannaro

 

 

About your reference,I think it's likely that Sakura was referring to ways in which she wasn't helping the team. She could have been doing something more productive other than trying to get Sasuke's attention. She realized that it wasn't benefiting them and that she was the least effective of the group. Of course it could also be her questioning her feelings that early on but I'm not so sure. I think her feelings developed into true love but for somewhat skewed reasons. She took an incredible burden on herself without being aware of the possible consequences. And even though she was worried for him I still believe it was at least partly for selfish reasons. She still wanted Sasuke and his validation.

 

My hope is that she will come to recognize this or already has and now feels the same as Naruto. They both want to save their friend no matter the cost.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Well, if its the case of a jinchuuriki then probably Gaara should be no different and he should also remain unaffected.

 

What? Gaara isn't a jinchuuriki anymore.

[Hanabi]

Well, if its the case of a jinchuuriki then probably Gaara should be no different and he should also remain unaffected.

that's just my speculation about jinchuriki, i thought bee still have some remains of gyuki, like the trick he used against taka sasuke. gaara was dead when akatsuki left his body and bee is still moving.

[narusaku256]

@DattebayoXShannaro
 
 
About your reference,I think it's likely that Sakura was referring to ways in which she wasn't helping the team. She could have been doing something more productive other than trying to get Sasuke's attention. She realized that it wasn't benefiting them and that she was the least effective of the group. Of course it could also be her questioning her feelings that early on but I'm not so sure. I think her feelings developed into true love but for somewhat skewed reasons. She took an incredible burden on herself without being aware of the possible consequences. And even though she was worried for him I still believe it was at least partly for selfish reasons. She still wanted Sasuke and his validation.
 
My hope is that she will come to recognize this or already has and now feels the same as Naruto. They both want to save their friend no matter the cost.

But the question which rests and apparently the main issue is....'Does Sakura realise this?' Everyone including Kakashi can see she is over with Sasuke romantically, but does Sakura realizes that herself? Not trying to bash her in any way but this question really pops up.

[TouKen4Life3g]

But the question which rests and apparently the main issue is....'Does Sakura realise this?' Everyone including Kakashi can see she is over with Sasuke romantically, but does Sakura realizes that herself? Not trying to bash her in any way but this question really pops up.

If that's the case, well, we don't know. We can either assume she's done already or not. And no, last chapter doesn't really help. Again, what if this is not love speaking, but more of a team speaking? I can't truly confirm it but neither can you. Whatever the conclusion is, we have to keep on waiting.

[narusaku256]

that's just my speculation about jinchuriki, i thought bee still have some remains of gyuki, like the trick he used against taka sasuke. gaara was dead when akatsuki left his body and bee is still moving.

Uhmm...quite a possibility but can you please elaborate on the 'Bee containing parts of Gyuki' part? We cannot consider a Hachibi chakra only situation because that was brought by me just some posts ago to which Hiraishin cleared the things saying that it has to be a tailed beast and not only his chakra which frees a user from genjutsu. So will you please elaborate on the part I mentioned?

[narusaku256]

If that's the case, well, we don't know. We can either assume she's done already or not. And no, last chapter doesn't really help. Again, what if this is not love speaking, but more of a team speaking? I can't truly confirm it but neither can you. Whatever the conclusion is, we have to keep on waiting.

Yeah, exactly. What we can do is just assumption, in this case. Maybe it can be the team speaking. Definately why not! But why it cannot be the love speaking? Neither can I confirm it nor you, as you said. There you go with the waiting thing again Lol XD. Apparently, time has all the answers eh? XD

Bee also technically isn't a jinchuuriki anymore, right? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here.

[LadyGT]

Bee also technically isn't a jinchuuriki anymore, right? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here.

I think he still is, looks like he did the same trick he used against Sasuke.

[DattebayoXShannaro]

@DattebayoXShannaro

 

 

About your reference,I think it's likely that Sakura was referring to ways in which she wasn't helping the team. She could have been doing something more productive other than trying to get Sasuke's attention. She realized that it wasn't benefiting them and that she was the least effective of the group. Of course it could also be her questioning her feelings that early on but I'm not so sure. I think her feelings developed into true love but for somewhat skewed reasons. She took an incredible burden on herself without being aware of the possible consequences. And even though she was worried for him I still believe it was at least partly for selfish reasons. She still wanted Sasuke and his validation.

 

My hope is that she will come to recognize this or already has and now feels the same as Naruto. They both want to save their friend no matter the cost.

 

But when missions came, she wasn't trying to get Sasuke's attention.  It was the opposite during the Chuunin exams, when in the written test, she was more worried about Naruto than Sasuke.  The lines she said are also pretty exact.  It was an evaluation on herself, and how she wanted be more like Naruto and Sasuke, who are in the front, instead of always being protected.  I agree that the whole thing was that she wanted to not be a burden, and be of use to the team.  However, I still think the panel on Sasuke in itself was a question of her feelings for him.  At least, that's my interpretation of what it was.

 

My stance doesn't change that her feelings for Sasuke stemmed in the traits he had that she didn't, similar to Naruto making Sasuke a rival.  That it's always been that, but she confused that attraction for romantic love.  From that, I also agree it was for selfish reasons why she liked him.

 

@narusaku256

Please use the edit button, instead of making consecutive posts

Edited by DattebayoXShannaro, 22 May 2014 - 09:08 PM.

[sushi.]

With my paintbrush abilities, I was able to discover Hinata's true identity!

 

It was you all the time, Lee-kun!

I always wondered why they were the only ones who would call Naruto "Naruto-kun"...

omg for one sec I thought that really was Lee. They have the same bangs!

[narusaku256]

I think he still is, looks like he did the same trick he used against Sasuke.

Really? But then, it also means that the eight tails chakra Madara has is fake, right? And I think this is not the case. I mean incase of Sasuke it was one of his tails that transformed into Bee or something like that right? And then again, it won't make sense for a panel of Hachibi telling Bee that he will create an opening for him to escape. If this is true then probably Hachibi is inside Madara and either Bee has some of his chakra or some parts of Hachibi like Hanabi stated. Its a bit tedious actually

@DattebayoxShannaro I am really sorry for the consecutive posts but since I am using my cell, I cannot quote multiple posts, so I have to post consecutively. I am very very sorry for that.

Edited by narusaku256, 22 May 2014 - 09:11 PM.

[BakeNeko-Chan]

Bee also technically isn't a jinchuuriki anymore, right? Feel free to correct me if I am wrong here.

 

I really don't know if Bee is still technically a jinchuuriki or not. He didn't die so I assume he managed to pull the same trick he used on Sasuke, and if he still has a portion of the Hachibi's chakra it would be able to regenerate again, wouldn't it? Meaning, technically, he is still a jinchuuriki. It's kind of confusing actually, and possibly a bit of a plot hole depending on the circumstances of Bee's survival.

 

I suppose it is possible Bee could be able free himself from the genjutsu but the Tsukuyomi isn't really a 'normal' genjutsu, so I can't say I'm convinced that it would be so easy to break out of it once you're caught. I'm just confused as to how it would relate to Gaara, since Shukaku was completely extracted from him and he would have no such possible immunity to the Tsukuyomi.

[Nostradamus]

Technically Bee is still a Jinchuuriki, he has a small amount of Gyuuki's chakra inside of him. It's what allowed him to still live after the extraction.

[Hanabi]

Uhmm...quite a possibility but can you please elaborate on the 'Bee containing parts of Gyuki' part? We cannot consider a Hachibi chakra only situation because that was brought by me just some posts ago to which Hiraishin cleared the things saying that it has to be a tailed beast and not only his chakra which frees a user from genjutsu. So will you please elaborate on the part I mentioned?

naruto too had parts of other bijuus (after the naru-bee vs other jins fight), but when yang kurama was pulled out by madara naruto immediately lose conciousness and need yin kurama (and other bijuus) to recover.

 

the fact that bee can recover and move about means he still have gyuki inside him, not just it's chakra.

Edited by Hanabi, 22 May 2014 - 09:19 PM.

[narusaku256]

 
I really don't know if Bee is still technically a jinchuuriki or not. He didn't die so I assume he managed to pull the same trick he used on Sasuke, and if he still has a portion of the Hachibi's chakra it would be able to regenerate again, wouldn't it? Meaning, technically, he is still a jinchuuriki. It's kind of confusing actually, and possibly a bit of a plot hole depending on the circumstances of Bee's survival.
 
I suppose it is possible Bee could be able free himself from the genjutsu but the Tsukuyomi isn't really a 'normal' genjutsu, so I can't say I'm convinced that it would be so easy to break out of it once you're caught. I'm just confused as to how it would relate to Gaara, since Shukaku was completely extracted from him and he would have no such possible immunity to the Tsukuyomi.

Point to be noted though I still doubt about that regeneration theory. Oh, the Gaara thing I brought up because it was said that since Bee was/is a jinchuuriki he might be able to resist the genjutsu. And because Gaara was a jinchuuriki, he might be no different. But oh well, maybe I was wrong on that part

@Hanabi Maybe that's what the case is. This can be one of the reasons IMO. But I suppose it isn't the whole of Hachibi as before, but some parts of it as you explained.

Edited by narusaku256, 22 May 2014 - 09:22 PM.