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[Atheck]

Would be but Naruto knows it was Itachi.
He even says this when the edo tensei's fade away.

 

Oh, but then you have the matter of Itachi wanting to maintain the facade he created for himself in order to maintain what dignity his clan held. Would Naruto disregard his request to maintain the secrecy of his intentions or would he make an open proclamation revealing to the world the reality of the Uchiha Clan and as a result who Itachi really is?

[HauntedCake]

 

Aren't you aware? Sasuke is the eliminator of four dangerous radicals (despite the fact that one of these individuals was recently resurrected and another has an absurd premise to itself that was never verified) and he terminated Edo Tensei which has been the cause for most of the deaths within the alliance forces. Now he is battling in order to protect the world and Naruto will definitely assert his own influences on the Kages to grant him leniency. Regardless of what his ulterior motivations are, his lack of remorse for previous crimes, or that there is no actual evidence to prove that he carried out several of these heroic executions there will be no prosecution of Sasuke Uchiha as he carries more leverage with himself than any other villain in this series. In fact, he may even be christened as a hero if Onoki's words hold up.

You see, Naruto would seem a corrupted leader if he was to let Sasuke off the hook for these crimes and no-one else. What kind of hokage lets someone get away with these crimes?

 

Naruto is not going to let Sasuke get away with what he's done, sure he'll probably be able to pull strings so Sasuke isn't executed but prison is definatly in his sentence

[Atheck]

You see, Naruto would seem a corrupted leader if he was to let Sasuke off the hook for these crimes and no-one else. What kind of hokage lets someone get away with these crimes?

 

Naruto is not going to let Sasuke get away with what he's done, sure he'll probably be able to pull strings so Sasuke isn't executed but prison is definatly in his sentence

That's incredibly doubtful as well. It would be uncharacteristically harsh of Naruto to do something like that as he makes it an effort to try and have characters better themselves through their actions, not through having them incarcerated for the duration of their lives (though I personally believe that Sasuke warrants the sentence). If he allowed someone like Konan, who was an international criminal as well technically, to flee without any attempt made at having her prosecuted by Konoha then there is probably little to no chance of him punishing Sasuke to any significant degree. 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Oh, but then you have the matter of Itachi wanting to maintain the facade he created for himself in order to maintain what dignity his clan held. Would Naruto disregard his request to maintain the secrecy of his intentions or would he make an open proclamation revealing to the world the reality of the Uchiha Clan and as a result who Itachi really is?

 

if he says that the result will be that the Uchiha clan were traitors and Itachi was a hero.

It doenst change what the k11 views Sasuke.

Funny is how he said "you cant let bygones by bygones" the whole manga was him not letting bygones by bygones.

 

@HauntedCake

I feel that Sasuke will not return to the village as a punishment, everyone was there and no one ever acknowledges him aside from Ino, even Sakura doesnt see him as a good person, Shikamaru/Shino just said the truth "do you think you can just erase everything you did".
The fact is aside from Ino, no one really liked Sasuke, aside from Naruto and Sakura who cares him about teammates and Ino who has a crush on him but the rest doesnt seem to really care about Sasuke, mostly that the rest were doing that for Naruto rather for Sasuke himself.

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One note i can say is how, Sakura really changed when it comes to Sasuke, Ino and Karin all there were thinking about Sasuke holding into something he is not, while out of all the girls Sakura was the only one who knew who he really was, and explain why she was distrustfull and did not fangirled over him i feel that it is a hint that she doesnt love him anymore, i think that 540 changed her view about Sasuke, she doesnt see him like she thought he was.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 June 2013 - 11:14 AM.

[Atheck]

 

if he says that the result will be that the Uchiha clan were traitors and Itachi was a hero.

It doenst change what the k11 views Sasuke.

Funny is how he said "you cant let bygones by bygones" the whole manga was him not letting bygones by bygones.

 

Will Naruto disregard Itachi's request to preserve his identity though? The repercussions that the realization would entail if everyone understood Sasuke's motivations is unknown but the matter revolves around the choice between expressing a dark revelation about one of the prestigious clans in the world and upholding Itachi's wishes.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Will Naruto disregard Itachi's request to preserve his identity though? The repercussions that the realization would entail if everyone understood Sasuke's motivations is unknown but the matter revolves around the choice between expressing a dark revelation about one of the prestigious clans in the world and upholding Itachi's wishes.

Yeah but would not be some kind of double standard?
Naruto suffered way more than Sasuke, he lived up alone and was hated by everyone when his parents sacrificed Naruto to save the village.
He lived up the entire life without knowing who their parents are, just because the "third" said that they should not know that to protect Naruto who was ridiculous because everyone knew who Naruto was and who were their parents aside from the village and Naruto himself.

Based off on their words and everything(shino,shikamaru,kiba etc..), is basically doesnt matter what were his reasons doesnt justify what he did.

 

Naruto also didnt even voiced his opinion though, he knew that Sasuke crossed the line based on his actions the only thing he wanted was to prevent Sasuke to keep on going on the dark road.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 June 2013 - 11:25 AM.

[Chatte]

Could someone translate me exactly what Sakura says here?

 

[六道仙人]

Could someone translate me exactly what Sakura says here?

 

 

I don't see the image... what's that?

[Chatte]

 

I don't see the image... what's that?

Damn, popular image.

It was Sakura's panel upon summoning.

[六道仙人]

Damn, popular image.

It was Sakura's panel upon summoning.

 

Oh that... well It should be so: "If it's the current me... I can even to recover constantly all those who are seriously injured nearby..."

[HauntedCake]

That's incredibly doubtful as well. It would be uncharacteristically harsh of Naruto to do something like that as he makes it an effort to try and have characters better themselves through their actions, not through having them incarcerated for the duration of their lives (though I personally believe that Sasuke warrants the sentence). If he allowed someone like Konan, who was an international criminal as well technically, to flee without any attempt made at having her prosecuted by Konoha then there is probably little to no chance of him punishing Sasuke to any significant degree. 

Thing is, i believe it would be moraly wrong for Naruto to let Sasuke get off scott free. What would Kishi be teaching his audience with this? That having a friend in a high place is good for committing multiple crimes and murders?

 

As dark said none of them save Ino,Sakura and Naruto want him back and depending on what Sasuke does in the future (if he kills any of the alliance/k11) then maybe all of them will refuse him.

 

one things for sure, his hokage claim ain't going to be happeneing without a fight

[Atheck]

Yeah but would not be some kind of double standard?
Naruto suffered way more than Sasuke, he lived up alone and was hated by everyone when his parents sacrificed Naruto to save the village.
He lived up the entire life without knowing who their parents are, just because the "third" said that they should not know that to protect Naruto who was ridiculous because everyone knew who Naruto was and who were their parents aside from the village and Naruto himself.

Based off on their words and everything(shino,shikamaru,kiba etc..), is basically doesnt matter what were his reasons doesnt justify what he did.

 

Naruto also didnt even voiced his opinion though, he knew that Sasuke crossed the line based on his actions the only thing he wanted was to prevent Sasuke to keep on going on the dark road.

 

The difference is that revealing to the world the exact specifics of the Uchiha's demise has no outreaching repercussions to anyone except Sasuke and their moral reputation. Unless the population somehow became dismayed or unsatisfied with Konoha's authorities due to their choice of massacring the clan instead of making further diplomatic attempts, but then you could attribute that decision to Danzo and the Elders who acted as the deciding vote for that particular matter. Once again though, I'm not referring to how this would impact Sasuke. It's a matter of revealing to the world what Itachi hoped would remain a silent event. What benefit would there be to this knowledge being provided to everyone? Is it revealed solely for the purpose of enlightening them about the reasons for the Uchiha's destruction? Perhaps it could be used a deterrent and moral lesson to the future generations about the consequences of hatred. That's one possible reason for Naruto to divulge the truth like that. 

 

Considering that Naruto's aspirations refer to Team 7 having a "happy ending" and the seemingly ecstatic comment that he made just two chapters about the group finally coming back together I believe that we can infer from that information that he wants the group to be reconstituted, with Sasuke as an active member again. That is unless the impression is referring to another situation like Sasuke being reformed yet imprisoned for the rest of his life but Naruto referring to that as a "happy ending" nonetheless.

 

Thing is, i believe it would be moraly wrong for Naruto to let Sasuke get off scott free. What would Kishi be teaching his audience with this? That having a friend in a high place is good for committing multiple crimes and murders?

 

As dark said none of them save Ino,Sakura and Naruto want him back and depending on what Sasuke does in the future (if he kills any of the alliance/k11) then maybe all of them will refuse him.

 

one things for sure, his hokage claim ain't going to be happeneing without a fight

 

Look, I agree with what you're saying but what matters most is Kishi's own perspective of the characters and their actions. If it were left to me I would have had not just Sasuke prosecuted but Gaara, Baki, and Konan as well. Two of those people conspired to bring about mass destruction on one or more nations and they are all guilty of at least one murder. People are going to disagree with the moral of Kishi's story but we have to accept that this is the course of action that he has chosen for the manga.

 

Whatever eventual actions Sasuke takes the rookies will undoubtedly oppose him at every moment which I believe they should do as Sasuke's heart remains apathetic and harsh as it did hundreds of chapters ago. He does not value the opinions of the people whom he should be attempting to sway if he desires the Hokage position. Even if Sasuke had committed no crimes and was not being pursued by the military of any nations I still believe that he should not return to Konoha since his lack of concern for its people or the village's well being confirms that he is only a liability in their ranks.

Edited by Atheck, 06 June 2013 - 12:39 PM.

[Nefertieh]

You see, Naruto would seem a corrupted leader if he was to let Sasuke off the hook for these crimes and no-one else. What kind of hokage lets someone get away with these crimes?

 

Naruto is not going to let Sasuke get away with what he's done, sure he'll probably be able to pull strings so Sasuke isn't executed but prison is definatly in his sentence

 

Madara was excused by Hashirama.

 

 

Thing is, i believe it would be moraly wrong for Naruto to let Sasuke get off scott free. What would Kishi be teaching his audience with this? That having a friend in a high place is good for committing multiple crimes and murders?

 

As dark said none of them save Ino,Sakura and Naruto want him back and depending on what Sasuke does in the future (if he kills any of the alliance/k11) then maybe all of them will refuse him.

 

one things for sure, his hokage claim ain't going to be happeneing without a fight

 

That people can change.

 

[arian_rad]

Why is the thread for this chapter so dead lmao... Everyone seems to be tired of the shipping wars... I sort of am too. At the end of the day we mostly know what's going to happen :) unless kishi trolls us all

[HauntedCake]

 

Madara was excused by Hashirama.

 

 

 

That people can change.

 

1) Hashirama stabbed Madara...

 

2) Change is all good, but does change overrule justice now?

 

Criminal: I've killed 1000 people but i'm going to change

 

Village: Oh ok, we forgive you

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

The difference is that revealing to the world the exact specifics of the Uchiha's demise has no outreaching repercussions to anyone except Sasuke and their moral reputation. Unless the population somehow became dismayed or unsatisfied with Konoha's authorities due to their choice of massacring the clan instead of making further diplomatic attempts, but then you could attribute that decision to Danzo and the Elders who acted as the deciding vote for that particular matter. Once again though, I'm not referring to how this would impact Sasuke. It's a matter of revealing to the world what Itachi hoped would remain a silent event. What benefit would there be to this knowledge being provided to everyone? Is it revealed solely for the purpose of enlightening them about the reasons for the Uchiha's destruction? Perhaps it could be used a deterrent and moral lesson to the future generations about the consequences of hatred. That's one possible reason for Naruto to divulge the truth like that. 

 

Considering that Naruto's aspirations refer to Team 7 having a "happy ending" and the seemingly ecstatic comment that he made just two chapters about the group finally coming back together I believe that we can infer from that information that he wants the group to be reconstituted, with Sasuke as an active member again. That is unless the impression is referring to another situation like Sasuke being reformed yet imprisoned for the rest of his life but Naruto referring to that as a "happy ending" nonetheless.

 

As for the itachi thing i dont feel that there will be an impact on others, because the whole hatred thing is already being combated with the alliance after this war, you cant simply imagine how people would fight against their former allies, it mirrors to the whole hundred of years war, when due to constant fighting, the french and english Nationalism were born.

I feel that on this war the whole Nationalism will be born with people acknowledging each other as brothers, like Naruto did, he even acknowledged people he never met on his life as his comrades.

 

Naruto's team 7 aspiration the only conclusion that i can get is that Sasuke not going on that road again, Team 7 was reborn but there are things that prevent it to happen, it's most likely (we will fight again as a team 7) just to give it for the last time, Sasuke has his own team, and Naruto will become hokage, when Sakura refers to happy ending it's mostly due to Sasuke not being evil anymore and Naruto becoming hokage, mostly all the mess being resolved.

[Don-kun]

1) Hashirama stabbed Madara...

 

2) Change is all good, but does change overrule justice now?

 

Criminal: I've killed 1000 people but i'm going to change

 

Village: Oh ok, we forgive you

I was about to agree with Nefertieh since I strongly believe that is the message Kishimoto is trying to show his readers, but I cannot disagree with you, what you said here is truth either because liked or not Sasuke has done a lot of wrong thing and Kishimoto should at lease have some decency and show Sasuke wanting to work hard to get everyones trust again.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I was about to agree with Nefertieh since I strongly believe that is the message Kishimoto is trying to show his readers, but I cannot disagree with you, what you said here is truth either because liked or not Sasuke has done a lot of wrong thing and Kishimoto should at lease have some decency and show Sasuke wanting to work hard to get everyones trust again.

I feel that this is the role of the taka team, he might not be forgiven and will eventually not be able to return to the village then but he will not be alone again because he now has new friends, Karin, Suigetsu and Juugo, then he has his good ending.

Also look at Naruto he did not forgive Pain after what he've done until he sacrificed his life to ressurrect the people he killed.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 06 June 2013 - 01:49 PM.

[Tsuki Hoshino]

Honestly...I just don't see how Sasuke CAN have a happy ending- except in a fictional world. 

I don't see how a man who was willing to toss aside the people in his life, Team seven, Team Taka can just heel-face-turn and go "Oh I'm not that guy anymore." Without making any REAL tangible amends for what he's done. I don't see him living a normal, peaceful life. It just doesn't fit with him. 

I also don't think Sasuke is done being evil yet, considering he's basically already threatened Konoha by saying "I'll take it by force, whether you like it or not." to Everyone. 

On the other hand, I'm well aware that these are my opinion's and more than likely Kishimoto is going to redeem Sasuke and that's that, no matter how cheap and unrealistic of an ending it may be. 

 

[HauntedCake]

Honestly...I just don't see how Sasuke CAN have a happy ending- except in a fictional world. 

I don't see how a man who was willing to toss aside the people in his life, Team seven, Team Taka can just heel-face-turn and go "Oh I'm not that guy anymore." Without making any REAL tangible amends for what he's done. I don't see him living a normal, peaceful life. It just doesn't fit with him. 

I also don't think Sasuke is done being evil yet, considering he's basically already threatened Konoha by saying "I'll take it by force, whether you like it or not." to Everyone. 

On the other hand, I'm well aware that these are my opinion's and more than likely Kishimoto is going to redeem Sasuke and that's that, no matter how cheap and unrealistic of an ending it may be. 

 

Agreed, however Sasuke being redeemed.... I believe his redemption will come through his death (doing something noble/heroic) not just him having a wake up call...