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[Jake]

I don't think she will be shown to come from a clan all of a sudden and also termed as someone related to sage's wife! Because sage's wife topic was never brought up and I think he might not have a wife also he just created his son using creation of all things!

The thought of the Sage creating his sons like that has crossed my mind before. Even if that isn't the case we don't know that the Sage was even married, it's not like we haven't seen something like that happen before in the manga judging by the way Asuma and Kurenai acted I'd say they never married.

[lord287]

The thought of the Sage creating his sons like that has crossed my mind before. Even if that isn't the case we don't know that the Sage was even married, it's not like we haven't seen something like that happen before in the manga judging by the way Asuma and Kurenai acted I'd say they never married.

I really think sage must have made his sons with creation of all things but their are many loopholes in manga like if senju clan ancestor and uchiha clan ancestor killed each other before marrying or something how were senjus, uchihas and uzumakis came to life! I don't think they already had made babies and they were also the one which could not use creation of all things! I am pretty confused at that thought but I think I won't be getting any answer to that ever, moreover
I really found it crazy that people over here are thinking sakura as sage's wife incarnation or legacy because sage's wife is something I don't expect and think at all was their!

Also, I really don't think sakura or any other girl has left to do many things in manga! Sakura's role in manga will get complete whenever she makes the right choice of choosing naruto over sasuke without any kind of forceful or half hearted choice!

[Jake]

I really think sage must have made his sons with creation of all things but their are many loopholes in manga like if senju clan ancestor and uchiha clan ancestor killed each other before marrying or something how were senjus, uchihas and uzumakis came to life! I don't think they already had made babies and they were also the one which could not use creation of all things! I am pretty confused at that thought but I think I won't be getting any answer to that ever, moreover
I really found it crazy that people over here are thinking sakura as sage's wife incarnation or legacy because sage's wife is something I don't expect and think at all was their!

Also, I really don't think sakura or any other girl has left to do many things in manga! Sakura's role in manga will get complete whenever she makes the right choice of choosing naruto over sasuke without any kind of forceful or half hearted choice!

If I'm not mistaken Tobi said that the younger son defeated the elder son and I don't remember him saying that ether of them were killed in the fight.

[KnS]

judging by the way Asuma and Kurenai acted I'd say they never married.

For what it's worth, it might not be conclusive proof but in chapter #342 Kurenai is clearly shown with a wedding band-type ring on her finger.

[ciardha]

judging by the way Asuma and Kurenai acted I'd say they never married.

She's wearing a wedding ring at the cemetery when Shikamaru talks about being the baby's godfather. That's more than Kushina had, and Kushina calls herself Minato's wife. So yeah, they were married. They just believed they needed to keep it secret- remember they were teenagers when Minato and Kushina died and Asuma's mother Biwako died too- and not in battle as far as they knew about Biwako and Kushina (true in Biwako's case- she was killed before she could fight back, not true in Kushina's case.), so that likely made a major impression on them about the safety of the spouse of a ninja that is very well known (and remember Asuma had a high price on his head in another ninja country's bingo book) They likely felt they had to keep their relationship even more secret from other country's spies than Minato and Kushina did theirs...

Edited by ciardha, 27 April 2012 - 06:14 AM.

[Jake]

For what it's worth, it might not be conclusive proof but in chapter #342 Kurenai is clearly shown with a wedding band-type ring on her finger.

Well I may be wrong then. based on the way Asuma was being teased about his relationship with Kurenai and him denying it, I figured that they were not married although I guess they could have kept it a secert although I don't know why they would.


EDIT: @ciardia: I guss that makes since but I still don't know why Asuma wouldn't let Shikamaru, Choji and Ino know it's not like they would blab it all over the ninja world that Asuma and Kurenai were married.

Edited by Jake, 27 April 2012 - 06:19 AM.

[ciardha]

Well I may be wrong then. based on the way Asuma was being teased about his relationship with Kurenai and him denying it, I figured that they were not married although I guess they could have kept it a secert although I don't know why they would.

to protect Kurenai and the baby. Asuma had a high price on his head in other country's bingo books.

[lord287]

If I'm not mistaken Tobi said that the younger son defeated the elder son and I don't remember him saying that ether of them were killed in the fight.

No, I remember that he said both of them died fighting! Moreover where are we going by talking this kind of things! It doesn't matter! We have brought up sage's wife, kurenai and asuma's relationship and now what is left we might end up making akamaru(kiba's dog) pair up with some b*tch....LOL!

Just forget about this guys, the only important thing now is the three major battles going on, and what will happen to narusaku once sakura reaches naruto!

Either everything will go good for us starting there or narusaku will just become crack! Can't wait what happens when sakura reaches naruto! I truly wish we will get our NS moment we have been waiting for so long!

Edited by lord287, 27 April 2012 - 10:38 AM.

[Jake]

No, I remember that he said both of them died fighting! Moreover where are we going by talking this kind of things! It doesn't matter! We have brought up sage's wife, kurenai and asuma's relationship and now what is left we might end up making akamaru(kiba's dog) pair up with some b*tch....LOL!

Just forget about this guys, the only important thing now is the three major battles going on, and what will happen to narusaku once sakura reaches naruto!

I'm pretty sure that he said that the younger son won. But I do agree that we have gone far off topic here.

P.S. If we ever get to the point where we are pairing up Akamaru with anyone somebody please beat the crap out of me.

[Forlong]

I think the best approach to a NaruSaku defense is to put out the strongest evidence along with evidence counteracting the weakest points of the relationship.

Strongest point: Naruto's unwavering feelings
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Weakest point: Sakura's ambiguous feelings
This is where I'm going to need help. Making a strong argument for Sakura's hidden feelings is rather difficult. The more evidence from the source material (especially the manga) the better. I hardly have to say anything about Naruto's feelings, because only willful ignorance would be the reason someone would argue against that overwhelming evidence.

So Sakura's feelings and making sense of them should be our priority.

[Codus N]

P.S. If we ever get to the point where we are pairing up Akamaru with anyone somebody please beat the crap out of me.

Let's see... which do you prefer?? a club or a shotgun??

[Anguyen92]

EDIT: @ciardia: I guss that makes since but I still don't know why Asuma wouldn't let Shikamaru, Choji and Ino know it's not like they would blab it all over the ninja world that Asuma and Kurenai were married.

Are you kidding me? I think Ino is actually the one person you shouldn't tell her something unless you want this go public in an inadvertent way, though, in this case, had Asuma told them that he and Kurenai were married, this would have been the one that she would have kept secret for a while. I mean, this is actually a private matter that does not really affect the grand scheme of things and that if it went public, when Asuma was still alive, it would have bring more downside than upside.

Edited by Anguyen92, 27 April 2012 - 03:48 PM.

[Fyuria'sLeo]

Are you kidding me? I think Ino is actually the one person you shouldn't tell her something unless you want this go public in an inadvertent way, though, in this case, had Asuma told them that he and Kurenai were married, this would have been the one that she would have kept secret for a while. I mean, this is actually a private matter that does not really affect the grand scheme of things and that if it went public, when Asuma was still alive, it would have bring more downside than upside.

Bro Ino comes from an interrogation clan if it's something really important she wont go blabbing it around.

[The Tax-Man]

No, I remember that he said both of them died fighting! Moreover where are we going by talking this kind of things! It doesn't matter! We have brought up sage's wife, kurenai and asuma's relationship and now what is left we might end up making akamaru(kiba's dog) pair up with some b*tch....LOL!

Just forget about this guys, the only important thing now is the three major battles going on, and what will happen to narusaku once sakura reaches naruto!

Either everything will go good for us starting there or narusaku will just become crack! Can't wait what happens when sakura reaches naruto! I truly wish we will get our NS moment we have been waiting for so long!

Really, try to read carefully. NO, they didn't die. And no, NaruSaku won't become crack if we dont get moments immediately. It's debate dude, not 'make useless and baseless claims and go away'.

[Jake]

Let's see where to begin.

@Anugyen92: Like what Leo said I don't think she would go blabbing importent information like that, in fact looking at all the Konoha 11 the one I'd think is most likely to blab that kind of information is Naruto and considering he hasn't gone around telling everyone he's the Fourth Hoakge's son shows that even he know when to shut his mouth.

By the way what do you Sakura's reaction would be to finding out he is the Fourth's son?


@The Tax-Man: I knew the Sage's sons didn't kill each other, thanks for the backup on that.


Finaly @Leo: Club.

[lord287]

I think the best approach to a NaruSaku defense is to put out the strongest evidence along with evidence counteracting the weakest points of the relationship.

Strongest point: Naruto's unwavering feelings
http://www.narutopod...003_101.jpg.php
http://www.narutopod...183_p12.png.php
http://www.narutopod...183_p13.png.php
http://www.narutopod...h299_09.png.php
http://www.narutopod...308_p15.png.php
http://www.narutopod...-457/11.png.php
http://www.narutopod...-457/12.png.php
http://www.narutopod...-458/15.png.php
http://www.narutopod...-459/14.png.php

Weakest point: Sakura's ambiguous feelings
This is where I'm going to need help. Making a strong argument for Sakura's hidden feelings is rather difficult. The more evidence from the source material (especially the manga) the better. I hardly have to say anything about Naruto's feelings, because only willful ignorance would be the reason someone would argue against that overwhelming evidence.

So Sakura's feelings and making sense of them should be our priority.

U don't really need naruto's view to put up here because all fans know even NH and SS fans know that he has always loved, still loves and most probably will continue to love sakura forever even if they don't admit it! For us the major portion where we can get attacked from is sakura's feelings only! Their only have been subtle hints for sakura which are nice to see but still not enough to make canon! But don't worry I think everything will go right in near future and sakura's feelings will/should definitely go towards feeling and accepting love for naruto and when that happen vola narusaku is canon!

[The Tax-Man]

Also, I really don't think sakura or any other girl has left to do many things in manga! Sakura's role in manga will get complete whenever she makes the right choice of choosing naruto over sasuke without any kind of forceful or half hearted choice!

I didn't see this before. Sorry, but what do you think being a heroine means? Your interpretation makes her nothing but pairing fodder, which is quite misguided. The thing is, you don't pay attention and see what you want to see. I'd point out that you seem to put way too much emphasis on recent chapters to the point of forgetting anything else ever happened. At this point, a conversation is useless unless you at least go to Narutopedia or something and brush up on the story. No offense intended, but I think a conversation is useless if we're not on the same page.

Edited by The Tax-Man, 27 April 2012 - 07:02 PM.

[ciardha]

I didn't see this before. Sorry, but what do you think being a heroine means? Your interpretation makes her nothing but pairing fodder, which is quite misguided. The thing is, you don't pay attention and see what you want to see. I'd point out that you seem to put way too much emphasis on recent chapters to the point of forgetting anything else ever happened. At this point, a conversation is useless unless you at least go to Narutopedia or something and brush up on the story. No offense intended, but I think a conversation is useless if we're not on the same page.

Heh, I wouldn't suggest Narutopedia. As people have noted the entries on the characters are riddled with outright contradictions from what is in the manga- and Sakura's is the most off kilter, with Hinata's running a close second. He needs to go reread the manga from chapter 1.

There's nothing ambiguous about Sakura's feelings if you read the story as a whole. Sakura is in love with Naruto. She is haunted and shamed by her younger attraction to Sasuke- because it created a bond to a person in herself that she thought she had eliminated, and it feels like she failed Naruto by not being able to do what she believed she had. Sakura way underestimated the strength of an emotional bond- even an very much unwanted one to Sasuke that she is deeply ashamed of. There you go, Sakura's romantic feelings in a nutshell.

I think it's funny the people that are so sure Sakura lied to Naruto and is still a Sasuke fangirl, decide that Karin's "maybe I should give up on Sasuke" was an absolute statement of completely ending her feelings for Sasuke and that she now hates Sasuke and wants to kill him. Seriously, no. Just the sentence before Karin was crying out trying to plead with Sasuke in an anguished swell of her love for him. This, after he had stabbed her, as he told her his feelings for her had created an obstacle to his goal. It was Sasuke's attacking others that he had once had a bond to in a complete psychotic break that caused Karin to wonder if maybe she should let Sasuke go. Note, Karin was able to do convincingly with those guards what didn't even cross Sakura's mind when she spoke right to Sasuke- act the complete obsessive fangirl. Karin was able to do so convincingly because she still has romantic feelings for Sasuke.

It didn't even occur to Sakura to act like her part 1 self around Sasuke because, as she said several times to Naruto and Sai repeated firmly to Naruto, she has moved on from Sasuke in her heart and fallen in love with Naruto. What Sakura still has is the powerful bond to Sasuke that was created as a result of her one sided crush. That's still there even though she doesn't want it and is horrendously ashamed of it.

Sakura also doesn't know the depth of Naruto's feelings for her- if he loves her as much as she loves him (as Sai's words in 458 led her to believe), his actions when he rescued her from Sasuke reestablished the fact that Naruto does have some true romantic feelings for her, something Naruto's actions during her confession led her to doubt. She walked away from that moment thinking Naruto had far deeper feelings for Sasuke that he ever would have for her. Even when he tacitly accepted her feelings he was flippant about it and immediately jumped to how much more important saving Sasuke was to him (chapter 470). Sai called Naruto on his behavior in 474 and Naruto looked a bit ashamed- as he finally saw Sakura in his mind as the person she is now. Note, how as soon as Naruto starts talking about how much Sakura loves Sasuke, his mental image of her shifts way back to Sakura as a 12 year old, soon after the team was formed, not even the 13 year old Sakura he made the promise to, much less Sakura now. It's Sai's words that finally shatters that timelocked image of Sakura in his mind.

Edited by ciardha, 27 April 2012 - 08:36 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Heh, I wouldn't suggest Narutopedia. As people have noted the entries on the characters are riddled with outright contradictions from what is in the manga- and Sakura's is the most off kilter, with Hinata's running a close second.

close second?
sorry but i can see only three main characters , naruto , sasuke and sakura.

i think the other females are more coadjuvants

about heroine i think sakura did not reach this level, she could not kill sasuke and did mistakes l, she showed her weakesses a lot i hope that she can prove this title in this war.

Edited by dovahkiin, 27 April 2012 - 07:28 PM.

[Deej]

Heh, I wouldn't suggest Narutopedia. As people have noted the entries on the characters are riddled with outright contradictions from what is in the manga- and Sakura's is the most off kilter, with Hinata's running a close second.

This page also seems to be a lightening rod.

http://naruto.wikia....s_Relationships