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[PhenixElite]

Cant see an open ending, kurama will encourage naruto to make his confession and she wont reject naruto( because of the lover-nin)

Well thats exactly the way i see it too. But i can see an open ending more then a rejection from sakura because of what ive written in my previous post.
Thats my two opinions; sakura and naruto canon, or open ending but for me open ending has 1% chance of happening

[Namaenash]

I agree with you, but what im thinking about is that i cant see naurto beeing rejected after his confession because then the series would end with naruto and sakura beeing alone. The point is that we wont see naruto find someone else at least during the manga. SO before a rejection from sakuras side i can see an open ending before.

Learning from the past, whenever rookies 11 are shown, Sakura's always got less screentime. But whenever she does, it always depicted that she plays quite an important role. When they first met Tobi, she was deducing Tobi's intangible jutsu. During the current war, she was deducing how exactly Zetsu's clone works.

Nonetheless, embrace yourself for more fanservices for NH / SS. Just bear with it I personally think Hinata will play a role in making Naruto and Sakura together, or at least encouraging Naruto to make a move. That'll fit her character as a secondary support. But, I might be wrong.

Personally, since POAL chapter, I think the series will end tragically, therefore the possibility of open ending. If somehow Naruto survives till the end, and if Kishi's consistent with his story-telling for more than a decade, I could only see Naruto end up with Sakura. If people say it is cliche, then they miss the whole point of story-telling. What matters the most in story-telling is how you tell your story, not necessarily about what the ending will be.

We all know that the good will win against the bad --otherwise, what's the point of the story? But we dont know how they will win against the bad.

I sincerely hope that Naruto could be together with Sakura, it will make all those development and build up between them worth it -- and at the same time, the story is consistent and leaves a good message to the readers. It's not solely based on a sudden spark from a confession, or a love based on unknown reasons. It has good times, bad times, but above all it has both parties (Naruto and Sakura) make sacrifice towards each others' happiness. How it will happen? Only Kishi knows how.

But again, I'm just a fan in this whole Naruto manga business and I might be just plain wrong

[PhenixElite]

Learning from the past, whenever rookies 11 are shown, Sakura's always got less screentime. But whenever she does, it always depicted that she plays quite an important role. When they first met Tobi, she was deducing Tobi's intangible jutsu. During the current war, she was deducing how exactly Zetsu's clone works.

Nonetheless, embrace yourself for more fanservices for NH / SS. Just bear with it I personally think Hinata will play a role in making Naruto and Sakura together, or at least encouraging Naruto to make a move. That'll fit her character as a secondary support. But, I might be wrong.

Personally, since POAL chapter, I think the series will end tragically, therefore the possibility of open ending. If somehow Naruto survives till the end, and if Kishi's consistent with his story-telling for more than a decade, I could only see Naruto end up with Sakura. If people say it is cliche, then they miss the whole point of story-telling. What matters the most in story-telling is how you tell your story, not necessarily about what the ending will be.

We all know that the good will win against the bad --otherwise, what's the point of the story? But we dont know how they will win against the bad.

I sincerely hope that Naruto could be together with Sakura, it will make all those development and build up between them worth it -- and at the same time, the story is consistent and leaves a good message to the readers. It's not solely based on a sudden spark from a confession, or a love based on unknown reasons. It has good times, bad times, but above all it has both parties (Naruto and Sakura) make sacrifice towards each others' happiness. How it will happen? Only Kishi knows how.

But again, I'm just a fan in this whole Naruto manga business and I might be just plain wrong

Why do you think that naruto will die in the end? Kishi alreday stated that we should keep supporting naruto, besides it would destroy the whole story. I also dont see an tragic ending in naruto since the whole story is already tragic. Im 99,99% sure that wll get a happy ending.

[Namaenash]

Why do you think that naruto will die in the end? Kishi alreday stated that we should keep supporting naruto, besides it would destroy the whole story. I also dont see an tragic ending in naruto since the whole story is already tragic. Im 99,99% sure that wll get a happy ending.

Simply, because it'll fit his character --an ultimate sacrifice and a symbol for the peace of the ninja world. That's why I've made peace with the pairing result. Again, this is just my personal take, which I made since POAL chapter years ago, so I think we can agree to disagree

I personally think... --Click here to view--

... that the death of a particular character in Naruto manga, generally used to emphasize the message from the author. Take for example:

- Minato and Kushina's death: is shown as parents sacrifice towards the well-being of their child. They used their last breath as parents who put lots of hopes, love and advice to their newborn.

- Jiraiya's death: is shown as a proud shinobi doing his duty. He used his last breath to craft a secret message to Konoha.

Similarly, all other deaths are also depicted to emphasize the message, such as unconditional love of a brother (Itachi's death), sacrifice towards comrades (Yahiko's death), parents' trust to their son's decision (Uchihas' deaths by Itachi), etc. In one hand, Kishi is trying to depict how cruel the ninja world could be, at the same time, he wanted to emphasize what's the role of a character in his manga by their last moments before death.

You can check the final moment before a particular character dies, there will always be a message which is depicted through the character. (e.g. Konan is depicted as the pillar of the bridge to the peace (Yahiko & Nagato), etc).

I wont be surprised if Naruto dies in the end. I personally think it'll fit his role perfectly. An ultimate sacrifice and a symbol towards the peace. His death will be remembered, his dream of peace will carry on, such that his name will be another synonym of 'peace' in the ninja world.

[PhenixElite]

Simply, because it'll fit his character --an ultimate sacrifice and a symbol for the peace of the ninja world. That's why I've made peace with the pairing result. Again, this is just my personal take, which I made since POAL chapter years ago, so I think we can agree to disagree

I personally think... --Click here to view--

... that the death of a particular character in Naruto manga, generally used to emphasize the message from the author. Take for example:

- Minato and Kushina's death: is shown as parents sacrifice towards the well-being of their child. They used their last breath as parents who put lots of hopes, love and advice to their newborn.

- Jiraiya's death: is shown as a proud shinobi doing his duty. He used his last breath to craft a secret message to Konoha.

Similarly, all other deaths are also depicted to emphasize the message, such as unconditional love of a brother (Itachi's death), sacrifice towards comrades (Yahiko's death), parents' trust to their son's decision (Uchihas' deaths by Itachi), etc. In one hand, Kishi is trying to depict how cruel the ninja world could be, at the same time, he wanted to emphasize what's the role of a character in his manga by their last moments before death.

You can check the final moment before a particular character dies, there will always be a message which is depicted through the character. (e.g. Konan is depicted as the pillar of the bridge to the peace (Yahiko & Nagato), etc).

I wont be surprised if Naruto dies in the end. I personally think it'll fit his role perfectly. An ultimate sacrifice and a symbol towards the peace. His death will be remembered, his dream of peace will carry on, such that his name will be another synonym of 'peace' in the ninja world.

Since his parents and many other characters died this way i rellay dont see somthing,like this happening i think he should acchieve the goals hes working for the whole time, not just dying in the end.

[redragon88]

@Namaenash

Too sad man, I just don't want.

But if Naruto dies what do you theorize happens with Sakura, do you really want her to have a family with Sasuke?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Simply, because it'll fit his character --an ultimate sacrifice and a symbol for the peace of the ninja world. That's why I've made peace with the pairing result. Again, this is just my personal take, which I made since POAL chapter years ago, so I think we can agree to disagree

I personally think... --Click here to view--

... that the death of a particular character in Naruto manga, generally used to emphasize the message from the author. Take for example:

- Minato and Kushina's death: is shown as parents sacrifice towards the well-being of their child. They used their last breath as parents who put lots of hopes, love and advice to their newborn.

- Jiraiya's death: is shown as a proud shinobi doing his duty. He used his last breath to craft a secret message to Konoha.

Similarly, all other deaths are also depicted to emphasize the message, such as unconditional love of a brother (Itachi's death), sacrifice towards comrades (Yahiko's death), parents' trust to their son's decision (Uchihas' deaths by Itachi), etc. In one hand, Kishi is trying to depict how cruel the ninja world could be, at the same time, he wanted to emphasize what's the role of a character in his manga by their last moments before death.

You can check the final moment before a particular character dies, there will always be a message which is depicted through the character. (e.g. Konan is depicted as the pillar of the bridge to the peace (Yahiko & Nagato), etc).

I wont be surprised if Naruto dies in the end. I personally think it'll fit his role perfectly. An ultimate sacrifice and a symbol towards the peace. His death will be remembered, his dream of peace will carry on, such that his name will be another synonym of 'peace' in the ninja world.

Sasuke dying has more symbolism than naruto's death, naruto sacrificing would be a mistake from kishi simly because after all his hard work he wont become hokage, wont get the girl he loves and etc..
He may achieve peace but his dreams and desires no.

Sasuke dying means the death of the 1st Big boss legacy, the end of the uchiha clan, the end of the "clan wars", end of the sharingan console cheat, u cant sav eeveryone, good wins the bad, i wish sasuke die with an asspull jutsu it would be EPIC.

Edited by dovahkiin, 02 December 2012 - 04:39 PM.

[Namaenash]

@Namaenash

Too sad man, I just don't want.

But if Naruto dies what do you theorize happens with Sakura, do you really want her to have a family with Sasuke?

Sad indeed, but fitting nonetheless. Again, this is my personal take.

As for Sakura... --Click here to view--

As for Sakura, personally, as long as she fully realized that it was always Naruto all along that she truly care, it will be enough. It is good enough to convey the message to the readers that most of the time, someone who meant a lot to you, who gives you happiness and who you truly love is right there next to you. Not a person you've hardly talked to and have left the village for a revenge-driven quest.

I personally think that this is what Kishi's trying to convey through Sakura's characterization. Her realization of what love actually is, would be her greatest closure. I hope she wont end up with Sasuke, because it'll just bring a bad message to the readers. lol.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Sad indeed, but fitting nonetheless. Again, this is my personal take.

As for Sakura... --Click here to view--

As for Sakura, personally, as long as she fully realized that it was always Naruto all along that she truly care, it will be enough. It is good enough to convey the message to the readers that most of the time, someone who meant a lot to you, who gives you happiness and who you truly love is right there next to you. Not a person you've hardly talked to and have left the village for a revenge-driven quest.

I personally think that this is what Kishi's trying to convey through Sakura's characterization. Her realization of what love actually is, would be her greatest closure. I hope she wont end up with Sasuke, because it'll just bring a bad message to the readers. lol.

Oh god not Cloud Strife and Aeris again please.
It's sad....

[PhenixElite]

Sad indeed, but fitting nonetheless. Again, this is my personal take.

As for Sakura... --Click here to view--

As for Sakura, personally, as long as she fully realized that it was always Naruto all along that she truly care, it will be enough. It is good enough to convey the message to the readers that most of the time, someone who meant a lot to you, who gives you happiness and who you truly love is right there next to you. Not a person you've hardly talked to and have left the village for a revenge-driven quest.

I personally think that this is what Kishi's trying to convey through Sakura's characterization. Her realization of what love actually is, would be her greatest closure. I hope she wont end up with Sasuke, because it'll just bring a bad message to the readers. lol.

As i said, i really cant see kishi destroying his chareacter he has been building up for over 10 years just to make a tragic end in an already tragic manga.
In my opinion that would be just bad writing. Also i wont deliver any messag!

[redragon88]

Sad indeed, but fitting nonetheless. Again, this is my personal take.

As for Sakura... --Click here to view--

As for Sakura, personally, as long as she fully realized that it was always Naruto all along that she truly care, it will be enough. It is good enough to convey the message to the readers that most of the time, someone who meant a lot to you, who gives you happiness and who you truly love is right there next to you. Not a person you've hardly talked to and have left the village for a revenge-driven quest.

I personally think that this is what Kishi's trying to convey through Sakura's characterization. Her realization of what love actually is, would be her greatest closure. I hope she wont end up with Sasuke, because it'll just bring a bad message to the readers. lol.

Is still too sad. Do not want!

So Sakura would end up exactly like Tsunade? That's definitely a parallel I don't want.



Besides, after so many tragic events that happened to so many characters, it's only fitting that Naruto gets the happy ending they could never have.

Edited by redragon88, 02 December 2012 - 05:12 PM.

[PhenixElite]

Is still too sad. Do not want!

So Sakura would end up exactly like Tsunade? That's definitely a parallel I don't want.

All i have to say to this is surpassing the old generation.

EDIT:
Also letting naruto die would be just weired after kishi wants us to support naruto. I mean how would it look like if he kills him in the end but before he said we should keep supporting him.
Another point would be tsunade. She supported nawaki to become hokag, he died, she supported dan, he died, she suppotrs naruto and he also should die? Thats just weired.
All the buildup for nothing. Also why all those parralels then?

Edited by PhenixElite, 02 December 2012 - 05:48 PM.

[Paptala]

hey hey can you guys imagine this :3

you know Obito's flashbacks with Rin and Kakashi, and how Obito got hurt by that shuriken and tried to hide it from Rin?? then Rin said that "I'm watching you" thing :3

http://www.mangahere...60/c603/17.html <---- this scene

what happens if sakura did that next chapter :3?



Naruto: I'm okay sakura-chan keep healing the others first-

Sakura: Naruto, it's not good to hide your wounds ya'know....

Naruto:..........

Sakura: "I'm looking after you"


huh huh!?......just me??..................

then Obito can have this whole realization, that Sakura reminds him of Rin BLAH BLAH BLAH

.....i can dream right....T^T

Though I don't know if we'll get such a direct parallel as described above, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Obito relates Sakura to Rin in some manner, due to some interaction while she's healing him is she even going to heal him at all? He was pretty banged up himself, wasn't he?

It seems like the most logical way to bring up Naruto's feelings for Sakura again, especially since Kishi did make pains to show that the same love triangle existed there, and to show that Obito's major motivation behind his actions is the loss of romantic love. I don't really see the point of having them have almost the exact same love set up and not do anything with it.

@ redragon: There's something to that idea, but I have pretty much the same issues with it as KnS—I would be more surprised if Kishi did anything more with Lee's unrequited feelings for Sakura (given that they haven't gotten nearly as much attention as Hinata's have) than if he did something with Hinata's feelings - Hinata's feelings have been featured so prominently that I can't see them NOT being resolved in some manner on panel (and probably relatively soon as well if the frequency of her feelings being brought up are any indication).

Well Naruto has a way around the "If you try to do things on your own, you'll fail" lesson, and that is Kurama. After all didn't B say that Biju mode requires the Biju and Jinchuriki to work together and if Sasuke does get the Perfect Susanoo then Naruto will definitely need to use Biju mode.

Good point, I hadn't thought of it that way - yes, that does seem to get around that scenario perfectly. So you're right, Naruto is almost certain to fight against Sasuke with no more than Kurama's aid.

Same here, lets hope we get to see Sakura shine real soon.

Exactly - here's hoping that she's prominently included in the "you'll get to see all of your favorite characters shine" claim.

I agree with you, but what im thinking about is that i cant see naurto beeing rejected after his confession because then the series would end with naruto and sakura beeing alone. The point is that we wont see naruto find someone else at least during the manga. SO before a rejection from sakuras side i can see an open ending before.

I agree its highly unlikely he would get rejected if he confessed, but what I meant about confessing for the sake of moving on would be more along the lines of him saying either, "I used to love you, but I'm moving on. You'll always be one of my most precious people though, blah blah etc." or "I love you a lot. You don't need to say anything, I already know you don't feel the same way. I just need to tell you myself so I can let go and move on."

Thus, Naruto is getting his feelings off of his chest for the sake of moving on, and there's no turning down by Sakura.

Nonetheless, embrace yourself for more fanservices for NH / SS. Just bear with it I personally think Hinata will play a role in making Naruto and Sakura together, or at least encouraging Naruto to make a move. That'll fit her character as a secondary support. But, I might be wrong.

Hinata could certainly play a role - but I think if she does, it will be an indirect one (i.e. making Sakura realize the romantic nature of her feelings faster because she doesn't like watching Hinata express romantic love for Naruto OR making Naruto realize that he should tell Sakura how he feels sooner than he would have otherwise). What makes the former more plausible is the scene in 442 where Sakura looks bothered over the fact that Hinata loves Naruto.

This could also explain the frequency of Hinata's love for Naruto still being brought up after 559 (which should have been the end of it/closure for that subplot)—because now Hinata's feelings are being used as a plot device (again) to push Naruto and Sakura together (funnily enough, AU!Hinata kind of played this role in RtN, since Kishi was using her character to show that Naruto and Sakura's relationship comes off as a romantic one to outsiders).

Personally, since POAL chapter, I think the series will end tragically, therefore the possibility of open ending. If somehow Naruto survives till the end, and if Kishi's consistent with his story-telling for more than a decade, I could only see Naruto end up with Sakura. If people say it is cliche, then they miss the whole point of story-telling. What matters the most in story-telling is how you tell your story, not necessarily about what the ending will be.

We all know that the good will win against the bad --otherwise, what's the point of the story? But we dont know how they will win against the bad.

Naruto dying at the end is certainly possible, but I'm not sure how probable it is, given Kishi's clear unwillingness to kill anyone from Naruto's generation in the entirety of the manga. I think its more likely that Naruto will either die temporarily and be revived somehow, or will just appear to be dead/come very close to death (i.e. an OVA 2011 scenario).

I would certainly prefer to see him survive, however, to get a happy ending.

[redragon88]

It seems like the most logical way to bring up Naruto's feelings for Sakura again, especially since Kishi did make pains to show that the same love triangle existed there, and to show that Obito's major motivation behind his actions is the loss of romantic love. I don't really see the point of having them have almost the exact same love set up and not do anything with it.

I think sometimes we should ask ourselves what was the point of having Rin have feelings for Kakashi. It's not like Obito wants to control the world because he's bitter that Rin liked Kakashi, he's simply doing it because he loves her and wants to see her again, so Rin liking Kakashi doesn't affect his motivation in any way. Although, sadly, there are people who actually believe that Obito is just angry for being friendzoned.

Rin liking Kakashi couldn't have been just for the sake of establishing a Team 7 parallel. If it was as simple as that then having a love triangle isn't really necessary. Take the Sannin for example, each of the main characters is a parallel to their respective sannin, but the Sannin themselves didn't have a love triangle in their group.

I think Rin was made to have feelings for Kakashi precisely so that she could be purposely paralleled to Sakura in the story. I do think Obito is meant to view Sakura as the Rin of Naruto's life and this is foreshadowed by how Team Pre-7 is the most similar to Team 7 in character dynamic out of any other team.

[Namikaze Sakura]

How can a girl outright reject someone like Naruto? She must have some badass valid reason in doing so.

Naruto dies in the end? Hmm... He must leave some sort of "legacy" behind before he should die! [before I could accept that he'd die hehe]

[narulsaku]

hey hey whats all this naruto dies in the end. thats impossible. well if you see one way then it can be but whats that. why would kishi kill naruto, that ll leave a bad message. like how much you do improve or try you cant be successfull in the end. just all goes in vain

[Paptala]

I think sometimes we should ask ourselves what was the point of having Rin have feelings for Kakashi. It's not like Obito wants to control the world because he's bitter that Rin liked Kakashi, he's simply doing it because he loves her and wants to see her again, so Rin liking Kakashi doesn't affect his motivation in any way. Although, sadly, there are people who actually believe that Obito is just angry for being friendzoned.

Rin liking Kakashi couldn't have been just for the sake of establishing a Team 7 parallel. If it was as simple as that then having a love triangle isn't really necessary. Take the Sannin for example, each of the main characters is a parallel to their respective sannin, but the Sannin themselves didn't have a love triangle in their group.

I think Rin was made to have feelings for Kakashi precisely so that she could be purposely paralleled to Sakura in the story. I do think Obito is meant to view Sakura as the Rin of Naruto's life and this is foreshadowed by how Team Pre-7 is the most similar to Team 7 in character dynamic out of any other team.

I think this is an extremely likely possibility, especially since not only is the romantic love triangle pretty much exactly the same as Team 7's, Kishi emphasized that in the flashback chapter, and purposefully made romance a big issue - specifically, Obito's romantic feelings for Rin, whose feelings are very much mirrored in Naruto's for Sakura.

I too have difficulty in seeing Kishi making the same set up, then emphasizing it, then expressly paralleling Obito to Naruto, and not going anywhere with it afterwards.

I know people have said it before, but Obito's remark that Naruto will become like him, that he's ignorant right now but that will change with time, and Naruto shouting back that he'll never become like Obito multiple times just kind of screams that Obito may try something on Sakura should he make the connection that Sakura is Naruto's Rin.

[redragon88]

Do you guys remember how Mito Uzumaki has a diamond marking on her forehead? It couldn't be to perform Tsunade's techniques since Tsunade herself was the creator of those. So what do you guys think was the purpose of the marking? Fashion choice?

I really wish we could eventually get a flashback from Madara. One that involves how he met Hashirama and later decided to create Konoha with him. I would also wish for it to include Mito in some way as well.

[Quinny52]

@ Paptala - That's exactly what I think is going to happen. Obito himself has admited the similariies he and Naruto share, and what better way for him to make Naruto see things his[Obito's] way than by taking the life of the 'Rin' of his[Naruto's] life. Add to that (hypothetically speaking, he succeeds in killing her) Obito may further attempt to break Naruto's spirit be promising him that he can be with Sakura in the dream world of Infinite Tsukuyomi (on top of being Hokage, which he mentioned just now in this chapter), just as he[Obito] can be with Rin, and may end up proving his point (that Naruto is naive, like he believes he once was).

But again, this is just me speaking hypothetically (a what-if scenario), because the closest I can imagine Obito getting to actually killing Sakura would be a mortal wound/NDE type of scenario.

@ Red Dragon - I feel the same, Iwant to know if that diamond marking has any significance to Mito and Tsunade. What we do know is that Tsunade didn't have it when she was a kid (Genin years), so it isn't a birthmark. If I were to guess, I'd guess it's an Uzumki sealing technique, as while Tsunade is credited as the creator of Cration Rebirth and Byakugo, perhaps her diamond seal was taught to her by her grandmother and later in life used it to store the chakra needed to use those techniques (when she was developing them). If so then the question turns to 'why did Mito have a seal, and what did it do for her?', and perhaps 'can/will anyone else learn it?'.

Edited by Quinny52, 03 December 2012 - 10:08 AM.

[PhenixElite]

My personal opinion about the obito/naruto parallel is, that theres going to happen something big for sure.
I dont really see obito killing sakura, maybe just hurting her. The point is that shes got the whole alliance behind her, also naruto. I personally could see Obito somehow capturing sakura. I thought about that because it could also lead back to yamato somehow, if obito would bring her to the same place yamato is right now.

Then naruto alone or with kakashi and sai tries to get them back. Would be cool i think, on the way they could also meet sasuke like kishi sated in the interview.
I dont know how propable this is but i would really like to see simething like that.
(Would also be a small parallel to Road to ninja)

But one thing is for sure:
No matter how often we get to see hinata development or anything else including hinata, we can be sure that we will also get to see the parrallel between sakura and rin. Why do i know that? Because kakashi still hasnt told obito why he killed rin and he also still hasnt told naruto anything about obito and rin. I think it will happen in the end of that arc and there will be a huge NS moment (same like in the end of every arc )

Im also looking happily forward for sakura finnaly realizing her feelings for naruto, like mentioned in the databook. Maybe in the end of that arc, who knows?

Edited by PhenixElite, 03 December 2012 - 05:00 PM.