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#5701 Paptala

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 05:49 AM

QUOTE (luffyq1 @ Nov 30 2012, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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QUOTE (redragon88 @ Nov 30 2012, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Given that Tsunade explicitly stated that only medic-nins that know how the use the Creation Rebirth technique (the one with markings that cover the body) are allowed to break the 3 Medic-nin rules (which basically says that medic-nins should stay away from the front lines), do you think it's possible for Sakura to surprise everyone by showing that she has learned the technique as well?

In a reasonable world it should make sense to show Sakura finally surpassing or at least equaling Tsunade in abilities. She already knows her medic ninja skills and her chakra control super strength, so the next logical step would be for her to use that particular technique. Of course there's the possibility that Kishi isn't interested in doing so, that's why I said in a reasonable world it would happen.

I don't want to set myself up for disappointment so I won't be expecting her to do it, but when I think about it it would make a lot of sense for her to master that technique. Given that Creation Rebirth seems to be Tsunade's signature technique to would be great if Sakura showed a somewhat improved version of it that she managed to develop. It would be reminiscent to how Jiraiya's signature jutsu was an incomplete version of Sage Mode and afterwards Naruto managed to developed to complete version in order to fight Pain.

Of course there's the issue that since Sakura doesn't appear to have a diamond marking in her forehead that it's not gonna happen anytime soon. Although if it was meant to be a surprise then maybe the diamond marking could be somewhere else in her body, like her back or upper chest. It would be something if Sakura would rip a little of the top of her shirt only to reveal that she has the diamond marking just below her neck. Or maybe she wouldn't need any previous markings anywhere if she would actually use an improved version.

I just bring it up because given that in her speech on her way to Naruto she said that they would be together I would find it weird if she just sticks to healing in the back the whole time. And yet, there's the sudden introduction of Tsunade's rules about medic-nins that make it look as if Sakura would do just that. In one of the databooks it says that Tsundade developed the technique for the sake of protecting her comrades, so it would only be fitting for Sakura to do so as well in order to be able to protect Naruto with her abilities.

Of course this is all just wishful thinking and I'm not gonna try to hope for that to happen since it would be disappointing then to never see it come to pass. For now I'll just stick to expecting they all fight together with no particular spotlight on anyone.

To be honest, I would love to see something like that, but like you, I'm doubtful that Kishi will go that far with Sakura's character. This is especially so since he hasn't given her anything new since the Sasori fight.

But there are hints that could lead to her playing a big role in this battle, or the battle against Sasuke given that:

1. Kishi promised us he'd show Sakura more herone-like (and since Kakashi's year was pushed back, I'm guessing it's just taking him longer to get to Sakura's part as well).
2. Chiyo's line to Sakura about saving someone really important to her next time / that she'll become a kunoichi to surpass Tsunade
3. Sakura's thoughts in 573, determined to fight by Naruto's side in this upcoming battle

and possibly, if its this battle:

4. The parallel between Sakura and Rin

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 08:17 AM

But.... PLOT TWIST, Sakura learnt how to do tsunades technique... Well idk....

Anyways, tell me your opinion on this

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 08:43 AM

hey guys from where this thought came from medic nins should stay away from the front line. is it in the manga or anime or databook. or something else and sorry chucky kun. i cant see the video so i cant post on it. mine problem dont worry. my mobile doesnt support that video i think got some problem

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:24 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Nov 30 2012, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Given that Tsunade explicitly stated that only medic-nins that know how the use the Creation Rebirth technique (the one with markings that cover the body) are allowed to break the 3 Medic-nin rules (which basically says that medic-nins should stay away from the front lines), do you think it's possible for Sakura to surprise everyone by showing that she has learned the technique as well?

In a reasonable world it should make sense to show Sakura finally surpassing or at least equaling Tsunade in abilities. She already knows her medic ninja skills and her chakra control super strength, so the next logical step would be for her to use that particular technique. Of course there's the possibility that Kishi isn't interested in doing so, that's why I said in a reasonable world it would happen.

I don't want to set myself up for disappointment so I won't be expecting her to do it, but when I think about it it would make a lot of sense for her to master that technique. Given that Creation Rebirth seems to be Tsunade's signature technique to would be great if Sakura showed a somewhat improved version of it that she managed to develop. It would be reminiscent to how Jiraiya's signature jutsu was an incomplete version of Sage Mode and afterwards Naruto managed to developed to complete version in order to fight Pain.

Of course there's the issue that since Sakura doesn't appear to have a diamond marking in her forehead that it's not gonna happen anytime soon. Although if it was meant to be a surprise then maybe the diamond marking could be somewhere else in her body, like her back or upper chest. It would be something if Sakura would rip a little of the top of her shirt only to reveal that she has the diamond marking just below her neck. Or maybe she wouldn't need any previous markings anywhere if she would actually use an improved version.

I just bring it up because given that in her speech on her way to Naruto she said that they would be together I would find it weird if she just sticks to healing in the back the whole time. And yet, there's the sudden introduction of Tsunade's rules about medic-nins that make it look as if Sakura would do just that. In one of the databooks it says that Tsundade developed the technique for the sake of protecting her comrades, so it would only be fitting for Sakura to do so as well in order to be able to protect Naruto with her abilities.

Of course this is all just wishful thinking and I'm not gonna try to hope for that to happen since it would be disappointing then to never see it come to pass. For now I'll just stick to expecting they all fight together with no particular spotlight on anyone.


I don't think and honestly I don't like the though of Sakura just getting the Creation Rebirth Jutsu, it'd be just to much of an asspull, I mean, the Creation Rebirth jutsu isn't like these new variants of the Rasangan that Naruto has been using since he arrived on the battlefield that could be improvised or at the vary least explained by all the training Naruto did back on the island, the Creation Rebirth Jutsu would need foreshadowing and every Jutsu Naruto has came with some foreshadowing, hell even Sasuke has some sort of vague foreshadowing, and by that I mean him saying that there is a jutsu he wants to try, not much to go on but hey it's there.

But I do believe that Sakura will be fighting because the entire Medic Division is there and having them there and not having them fight would be completely useless, there only real use would be as cannon fodder, yes you do need Medics on the battlefield to give immediate aid but you don't need the entire Division, hell if the Medics weren't going to fight then Naruto could just tell them that someone needs to go check on the Kages.

QUOTE (Paptala @ Dec 1 2012, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be honest, I would love to see something like that, but like you, I'm doubtful that Kishi will go that far with Sakura's character. This is especially so since he hasn't given her anything new since the Sasori fight.

But there are hints that could lead to her playing a big role in this battle, or the battle against Sasuke given that:

1. Kishi promised us he'd show Sakura more herone-like (and since Kakashi's year was pushed back, I'm guessing it's just taking him longer to get to Sakura's part as well).
2. Chiyo's line to Sakura about saving someone really important to her next time / that she'll become a kunoichi to surpass Tsunade
3. Sakura's thoughts in 573, determined to fight by Naruto's side in this upcoming battle

and possibly, if its this battle:

4. The parallel between Sakura and Rin


I'd like to know why is it that everyone thinks that Naruto is going to have assistance in his fight with Sasuke, it doesn't make any since to me, I mean throughout the entire Manga Sasuke has be saying that Naruto would never be stronger then him and having someone like Sakura assist him would only show that Sasuke was right, in order to prove Sasuke wrong Naruto has to defeat him without help form anyone else (excluding Kurama).

With Madara it makes since that Naruto is getting some help, Madara's mentality is that he is so superior that he the combined forces of all five of the great shinobi nations (and the Samurai for the Land of Iron) aren't enough to amount a threat let alone one single shinobi regardless of if he is a Jinchuriki, but Sasuke is not like that, while Sasuke clearly thinks that the he is stronger than an army of shinobi he A: hasn't backed that up and B: has acknowledged that Naruto is strong enough to challenge him (but not enough to beat him).

Given all of that is seems logical that the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight will be a one-on-one match, well technically two-on-one with Kurama but hey I'd believe you if you said that there was a voice in Sasuke's head telling him to do s*** too laugh.gif .

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 10:43 AM

@Jake

In a world where Izanagi exist there's no need for foreshadowing. laugh.gif

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:51 AM

I posted this in the chapter 611 disscuion but it felt debate-y so I'll just re-post it here- hope y'all don't mind. th_tongue.gif

So in every scene or chapter Sakura and Hinata are both in Hinata is usually worrying excessively about Naruto and just has no faith in his abilities while Sakura has absolute faith in him and his abilities.

So below are just three examples of this; I took a scene from chapter 383, the chuunin exams and the ones from the last chapter. The funny thing about the chuunin exams scene is that everyone thinks he's out and down for the count except for Sakura and Kakashi (I think, correct me if I'm wrong).



I didn't add Hinata's confession but that's another example- he tells the rest of the Konaha nin that he doesn't want any of them to interfere but Hinata isn't confident in his abilities (yet again) and jumps into the fight. Some might say that she did it because she was worried about him or what not but Sakura was worried about him too ("Hurry back Naruto"). She however, stayed back and respected his decision. IMO this last chapter seemed to give another example of that- Hinata immediately asks him if he's okay while Sakura gets down to healing people. To me it just shows just how well Hinata doesn't know him and how well Sakura does; Sakura knows he's a big boy and that it takes a lot more to knock him down.

So regardless of what Kiba said I actually see this as another Anti-NaruHina moment wrapped up in Pro-NaruHina garments, if I'm wrong I'm sorry but debating really isn't my thing sweatdrop.gif.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Dec 1 2012, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
@Jake

In a world where Izanagi exist there's no need for foreshadowing. laugh.gif


Oh gawd don't remind me of that asspull sad.gif

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:26 AM

Naruto should be going on for at least a hundred more chapters. That said what kind of final pieces of development (if any) NaruSaku is going to get before the ending?

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:04 AM

well dont get me wrong. cause i am talking about hinata. but i think that she has no doubt on narutos power or abillities. i dont remember she ever said that so we dont have any prove. yes she jumped in to the battle only for protecting naruto as she could see his condition then if sakura would see that she would have interfair too dont you think sugar. and i agree with braden. naruto has to find the real peace but i want it to happen after ns. when kisi will show us a moment. hey one question would naruto fight with sasuke in this arc. and sugar great post though . i like the last para the most .

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 03:23 AM

QUOTE (SugarJunkE @ Dec 1 2012, 05:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I posted this in the chapter 611 disscuion but it felt debate-y so I'll just re-post it here- hope y'all don't mind. th_tongue.gif

So in every scene or chapter Sakura and Hinata are both in Hinata is usually worrying excessively about Naruto and just has no faith in his abilities while Sakura has absolute faith in him and his abilities.

So below are just three examples of this; I took a scene from chapter 383, the chuunin exams and the ones from the last chapter. The funny thing about the chuunin exams scene is that everyone thinks he's out and down for the count except for Sakura and Kakashi (I think, correct me if I'm wrong).



I didn't add Hinata's confession but that's another example- he tells the rest of the Konaha nin that he doesn't want any of them to interfere but Hinata isn't confident in his abilities (yet again) and jumps into the fight. Some might say that she did it because she was worried about him or what not but Sakura was worried about him too ("Hurry back Naruto"). She however, stayed back and respected his decision. IMO this last chapter seemed to give another example of that- Hinata immediately asks him if he's okay while Sakura gets down to healing people. To me it just shows just how well Hinata doesn't know him and how well Sakura does; Sakura knows he's a big boy and that it takes a lot more to knock him down.

So regardless of what Kiba said I actually see this as another Anti-NaruHina moment wrapped up in Pro-NaruHina garments, if I'm wrong I'm sorry but debating really isn't my thing sweatdrop.gif.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 03:58 AM

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 1 2012, 05:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'd like to know why is it that everyone thinks that Naruto is going to have assistance in his fight with Sasuke, it doesn't make any since to me, I mean throughout the entire Manga Sasuke has be saying that Naruto would never be stronger then him and having someone like Sakura assist him would only show that Sasuke was right, in order to prove Sasuke wrong Naruto has to defeat him without help form anyone else (excluding Kurama).

With Madara it makes since that Naruto is getting some help, Madara's mentality is that he is so superior that he the combined forces of all five of the great shinobi nations (and the Samurai for the Land of Iron) aren't enough to amount a threat let alone one single shinobi regardless of if he is a Jinchuriki, but Sasuke is not like that, while Sasuke clearly thinks that the he is stronger than an army of shinobi he A: hasn't backed that up and B: has acknowledged that Naruto is strong enough to challenge him (but not enough to beat him).

Given all of that is seems logical that the Naruto vs. Sasuke fight will be a one-on-one match, well technically two-on-one with Kurama but hey I'd believe you if you said that there was a voice in Sasuke's head telling him to do s*** too laugh.gif .

You're right about that, especially since Sakura said herself that all she can do is believe in them. But that kind of contradicts the whole, "If you try to do things on your own, you'll fail" lesson Kishi's been pounding into Naruto, so I don't know.

Honestly, I just really want to see Sakura have a significant role in at least one of the final battles, and there are two we know are guaranteed - this one, and the one against Sasuke.
QUOTE (SugarJunkE @ Dec 1 2012, 06:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I posted this in the chapter 611 disscuion but it felt debate-y so I'll just re-post it here- hope y'all don't mind. th_tongue.gif

So in every scene or chapter Sakura and Hinata are both in Hinata is usually worrying excessively about Naruto and just has no faith in his abilities while Sakura has absolute faith in him and his abilities.

So below are just three examples of this; I took a scene from chapter 383, the chuunin exams and the ones from the last chapter. The funny thing about the chuunin exams scene is that everyone thinks he's out and down for the count except for Sakura and Kakashi (I think, correct me if I'm wrong).



I didn't add Hinata's confession but that's another example- he tells the rest of the Konaha nin that he doesn't want any of them to interfere but Hinata isn't confident in his abilities (yet again) and jumps into the fight. Some might say that she did it because she was worried about him or what not but Sakura was worried about him too ("Hurry back Naruto"). She however, stayed back and respected his decision. IMO this last chapter seemed to give another example of that- Hinata immediately asks him if he's okay while Sakura gets down to healing people. To me it just shows just how well Hinata doesn't know him and how well Sakura does; Sakura knows he's a big boy and that it takes a lot more to knock him down.

So regardless of what Kiba said I actually see this as another Anti-NaruHina moment wrapped up in Pro-NaruHina garments, if I'm wrong I'm sorry but debating really isn't my thing sweatdrop.gif.

First of all, is it just me, or does Hinata look like Hanabi in the panel from last chapter huh.gif

Secondly, I agree that's certainly why Sakura didn't ask Naruto if he was okay - he clearly was, and Sakura knows him well enough to see that he's fine for the moment. I think in Hinata's case it reflects more negatively on her that she didn't show concern for Kakashi, Gai, or Kirabi than that she was worried about Naruto, but I can see how the argument can be made. It was definitely a lack of faith in the other cases, imo.
QUOTE (Branden @ Dec 1 2012, 07:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto should be going on for at least a hundred more chapters. That said what kind of final pieces of development (if any) NaruSaku is going to get before the ending?

At a minimum, I expect Naruto to confess directly to Sakura, either for them to get together or for Naruto to get closure and move on, and for Sakura to understand that she does enough for Naruto just by caring about him and supporting him.

Ideally, I would like for them to have a private discussion, with no holds barred honesty between them, addressing the issues in their relationship that were highlighted in the events of the summit (i.e. Sakura's confession) and ending in a resolution to be honest with one another and to help shoulder each other's burdens rather than keeping things to themselves in order to try and protect one another.

I'm not holding my breath for the later.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:03 AM

hey hey biggrin.gif can you guys imagine this :3

you know Obito's flashbacks with Rin and Kakashi, and how Obito got hurt by that shuriken and tried to hide it from Rin?? then Rin said that "I'm watching you" thing :3

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what happens if sakura did that next chapter :3?



Naruto: I'm okay sakura-chan keep healing the others first-

Sakura: Naruto, it's not good to hide your wounds ya'know....

Naruto:..........

Sakura: "I'm looking after you"


huh huh!?......just me??..................

then Obito can have this whole realization, that Sakura reminds him of Rin BLAH BLAH BLAH biggrin.gif

.....i can dream right....T^T

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:19 AM

Wouldn't it be awesome if there was a chapter in which Hinata and Rock Lee protected their respective love interests? Although I think the main focus would still remain with Hinata since her character tends to receive more focus.

Then by the end of the chapter they each tell the one they love to go forward and finish it with something among the lines of:

Hinata: Sakura, In entrust Naruto to you.
Lee: Naruto, you better protect Sakura in my place right now.

As for the dialog beforehand, any different scenario could be done, but it would mainly involve Hinata and Lee finally coming to a resolution with their respective love interest. Acknowledging how even though they never loved them the way they envisioned that they still care for them regardless.

This came to mind when I remember that at the beginning of the war Lee was still pulling his "protecting Sakura even if he dies" routine. This happened when they were about to begin fighting Zabuza's unit. So it's pretty clear that Sakura is still a very precious girl to Lee even if he's aware that she'll never love him back.

I just kept wondering why did Kishi throw that line with Lee at that moment, because to be honest I had completely forgotten by that point how he had vowed to always protect Sakura. Unless, Kishi was planning to have Lee also resolve his feelings for Sakura before the end of the series.

I find it interesting how Naruto and Sakura also have in common dealing with a secondary character from another team as a love interest. Although Sasuke has one with Ino as well, her crush on him wasn't as prominent in the story as it was with Hinata and Lee.

Well, it sounds pretty in paper, but I won't hold my breath for it. Still, a man can dream, right? tongue.gif

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 06:51 AM

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Man wow just WOW kudos to you, spectacular post AWSOME come back great facts-one must always ALWAYS stick to facts or else its a downfall!!!

Thanks! And I agree about facts. Facts keep you sane, especially in fandom matters.

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Dec 1 2012, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't it be awesome if there was a chapter in which Hinata and Rock Lee protected their respective love interests? Although I think the main focus would still remain with Hinata since her character tends to receive more focus.

Then by the end of the chapter they each tell the one they love to go forward and finish it with something among the lines of:

Hinata: Sakura, In entrust Naruto to you.
Lee: Naruto, you better protect Sakura in my place right now.

As for the dialog beforehand, any different scenario could be done, but it would mainly involve Hinata and Lee finally coming to a resolution with their respective love interest. Acknowledging how even though they never loved them the way they envisioned that they still care for them regardless.

I get what you're shooting for here, and I suppose if I were more of a romantic I would think it was a nice way to resolve the (seemingly) one-sided affections of Hinata and Lee.

My main problem with it is the idea that Naruto is Hinata's to "entrust" to someone else, or that it was ever Lee's place to assume the role of Sakura's protector. It smacks a little more of entitlement than romance to me, but then I'm jaded.

I would like to see both of them feel good -- or at least okay -- when the objects of their affection are settled on each other. Like Kishimoto said in the interview (about hoping Hinata got a chance too), I hope they both get a chance at love, but with someone who doesn't appear destined to be with a different person.




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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:37 AM

QUOTE (Branden @ Dec 2 2012, 12:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Naruto should be going on for at least a hundred more chapters. That said what kind of final pieces of development (if any) NaruSaku is going to get before the ending?


i think he will way before, i do not see any hokages that were single.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:42 AM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Dec 2 2012, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i think he will way before, i do not see any hokages that were single.

Except Tsunade....




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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:26 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Dec 1 2012, 10:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You're right about that, especially since Sakura said herself that all she can do is believe in them. But that kind of contradicts the whole, "If you try to do things on your own, you'll fail" lesson Kishi's been pounding into Naruto, so I don't know.


Well Naruto has a way around the "If you try to do things on your own, you'll fail" lesson, and that is Kurama. After all didn't B say that Biju mode requires the Biju and Jinchuriki to work together and if Sasuke does get the Perfect Susanoo then Naruto will definitely need to use Biju mode.

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Honestly, I just really want to see Sakura have a significant role in at least one of the final battles, and there are two we know are guaranteed - this one, and the one against Sasuke.


Same here, lets hope we get to see Sakura shine real soon.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 2 2012, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well Naruto has a way around the "If you try to do things on your own, you'll fail" lesson, and that is Kurama. After all didn't B say that Biju mode requires the Biju and Jinchuriki to work together and if Sasuke does get the Perfect Susanoo then Naruto will definitely need to use Biju mode.



Same here, lets hope we get to see Sakura shine real soon.

well i do personaly want sakura to fight with naruto in the battle against obito, i want her to fight with naruto against sasuke too. but i am afraid that she wont. but hey will sasuke be redeemed.

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courage,,,,,,,,,,,
doesn't always roar.............
sometimescourage is quite voice at the
end of the day saying,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
'll try again tomorrow"


#5719 PhenixElite

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Dec 2 2012, 04:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
At a minimum, I expect Naruto to confess directly to Sakura, either for them to get together or for Naruto to get closure and move on, and for Sakura to understand that she does enough for Naruto just by caring about him and supporting him.

Ideally, I would like for them to have a private discussion, with no holds barred honesty between them, addressing the issues in their relationship that were highlighted in the events of the summit (i.e. Sakura's confession) and ending in a resolution to be honest with one another and to help shoulder each other's burdens rather than keeping things to themselves in order to try and protect one another.

I'm not holding my breath for the later.

I agree with you, but what im thinking about is that i cant see naurto beeing rejected after his confession because then the series would end with naruto and sakura beeing alone. The point is that we wont see naruto find someone else at least during the manga. SO before a rejection from sakuras side i can see an open ending before.

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#5720 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:54 PM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Dec 2 2012, 12:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I agree with you, but what im thinking about is that i cant see naurto beeing rejected after his confession because then the series would end with naruto and sakura beeing alone. The point is that we wont see naruto find someone else at least during the manga. SO before a rejection from sakuras side i can see an open ending before.

Cant see an open ending, kurama will encourage naruto to make his confession and she wont reject naruto( because of the lover-nin)
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