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#5681 Advaith

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:48 PM

Look this is coming from a guy who lost almost all hope and faith in the beginning of this thread  after seeing the trailer as well as examining the facts and i was desperate as hell.I am well aware of the facts and situation at hand too,but i hereby say this:

 

                                                              Uzumaki Naruto's Wife will be Haruno Sakura

 

                                                       Because it is the truth and no matter what NS will happen

 

 

This is not because of any over positivity or over confidence,i will only confirm something if it will happen and this will.Just wait and see.....



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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:48 PM

I am so happy about that poster. It really breathe life into this movie. Hinata's feeling being subplot with the main plot being developing the Hyuga clan and the world ending. 

I'm sorry what poster? XD I don't wanna search in this ocean of posts :umm:


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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:49 PM

 
Oh yeah that changes everything. See there is so much more to this then we know. All we know is Hinata has a secret about her feelings that isnt she loves Naruto and NH hasnt happened for 2 years. 


Sakura knows about her feelings. Kiba knows about her feelings. Everybody in Konoha probably knows. It's unlikely they all got amnesia.

@Nefertieh:
 
There's a possibility that flashback might be linked to Naruto having a change of heart, but that completely contradicts everything the manga has shown us. There are many, many reasons to believe Naruto would not so easily fall for Hinata when his feelings for Sakura has persisted this long and that even after a 2-year timeskip, after her confession, Naruto still has not shown feelings for her.  Kishimoto has also been working on this movie since two years ago and we've gotten so many NS moments instead of NH moments since then. 631 and 662-663 being the biggest example.


Yes. But in a fictional story, contradictions can happen. Google the term "asspull", the first thing you get is Naruto.

While Naruto hasn't supposedly talked about Hinata's feelings to her, he and Sakura aren't together either. =|
 

Authors do change their mind. I know that and this movie may be for NH becoming canon. But I'm not going to truly believe that when we so many supporting of the evidence of the opposite. I'm not going to base all my conclusions on a trailer that might've been corrupted and edited by bias SP and is simply a marketing tool. It's important to keep an open mind, but we can't be sure of anything until we see it ourselves.


You mean biased? I am keeping an open mind, and by that I'm analysing both the facts that support and don't support NH being canon. The latter is just scarce, but I know we'll get more as time goes on.
 

As for the pairing drama, I know it's only natural before an end pair is canon. But Kishimoto has a tendency to utilize it too much that it genuinely effects believability and character image. 693, for example. Sakura confesses to Sasuke again, repeating history and regressing her development, to just make things look bleak. Then it's revealed it was platonic based on Kakashi's analysis, but doesn't really look that way and still dampened her character. Kishi took drama too far. If he could do that with Sakura despite her development than Naruto, then I absolutely no reason why he wouldn't toy with Hinata/NH too.


I didn't think he took it too far with Sakura at all. Kishimoto wrote it in a way that Sakura showed her most vulnerable and defeated side, just to make Sasuke look more cruel and heartless by knocking her out and mocking her feelings.
 

I know you don't particularly believe this all for shipping drama, but that doesn't mean more positive conclusions are out of equation either. All you're doing is focusing on the negative outcomes. You just seem awfully negative. :/  Now I'm not saying I'm right or anything, I consider how bad things seem, but I focus on the positive outcomes more because it makes no logical sense to the manga for Kishi to do something like this. And I hold on to what's logical and will believe in that until I have solid proof Kishimoto will do the opposite. NS has been built up this whole time. I'm certainly not going to ignore that based on a movie trailer alone.


I seem to be negative? No, I was one if the few people who was trying to calm people down in RtN, 469, 615 and 693. I've been a narusaku shipper before it was considered a "serious" pairing that had to be attacked. Focusing on solid outcomes is not doing anyone a favour of you're ignoring the other facts in place.
 
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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:50 PM

Look this is coming from a guy who lost almost all hope and faith in the beginning of this thread  after seeing the trailer as well as examining the facts and i was desperate as hell.I am well aware of the facts and situation at hand too,but i hereby say this:

 

                                                              Uzumaki Naruto's Wife will be Haruno Sakura

 

                                                       Because it is the truth and no matter what NS will happen

 

 

This is not because of any over positivity or over confidence,i will only confirm something if it will happen and this will.Just wait and see.....

I'm with you in this all the way :thumb:


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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:51 PM

I'm sorry what poster? XD I don't wanna search in this ocean of posts :umm:

 

http://www.narusaku....=14487&p=626173

 

From this post, not exactly a poster. This is awesome news. 


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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:52 PM

You dont know that though.


But I do know it's highly unlikely that Hinata was considering giving Naruto a scarf as a symbol of her love if he's already with someone.

Also, the tagline of the movie is "The beginning if love."
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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:52 PM

Narusaku didn't happen either.

 

While I'd agree that there's hardly any evidence that it might HAVE (we will see in the manga), there's also no evidence that is hasn't. I'm neutral on this point. But even if NS hasn't happened, Naruto might be just doing what he's always done, giving Sakura the space and time she's needed. He actually knows the girl well, and has been through hell and back with her. Underneath the obvious romantic notions, they also have what every great romance does, a solid foundation of genuine love for each other as people who know each other well, best friends. 

Which is also why NS not happening yet can't be compared fairly to NH not happening yet. We know Sakura to some level reciprocates Naruto's feelings, but may have been using those two years to completely heal and get over the whole experience with Sasuke. Naruto, if NS hasn't happened, would pick up on that as he did when Sakura "confessed" and out of love, be selfless enough to wait for her to be ready, just watching over her and making sure she's happy. 

People will argue the same for Hinata, but as obvious by the poster, she and Naruto aren't much closer than what they are in the manga now. They don't have that powerful, well-developed friendship underneath the completely one-sided romantic notions on Hinata's side, all they have had are sparce moments where Naruto inspires her. She doesn't know Naruto nearly as well as Naruto knows Sakura. Waiting for the girl you love (whose shown signs of loving you too) is different from hiding in the shadows waiting for a guy who already knows you love him to change his mind. 



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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:55 PM

I was joking earlier, but why would Sakura's "increased womanhood" have anything to do with Naruto? Are we to believe he's just been lusting after her for 2 years without doing anything about it? That would be such a lame cop out. Not that I would it put it past Kishi, but believing in NS as firmly as I do, I just can't see Kishi not just having them come full circle in the manga in 699-700 before the epilogue and events of The Last.

Speaking of the last, just think about it outside of a shipping perspective. What purpose does that film serve? Yeah, it's the beginning of the new era project but what does that have to do with the the manga that's about to end? If it's going to be referenced in the manga, how? The movie doesn't come out until a month later. It'd be such an awkward thing to do, to acknowledge it in any form in the manga, like "Remember we when we beat those space ninja, guys?" - I just don't see it. I'm not saying it's not canon, but I am saying that it feels thoroughly out of place and irrelevant in relation to the manga, and that's why I can't help but believe that Hinata's love story (surely it's the last time it'll be addressed?) was thrown in there to wrap it up nicely because it could be given closure in a movie where's the manga is clearly in favour of NaruSaku and will end on that pairing.

That's what I believe anyway.

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:56 PM

But I do know it's highly unlikely that Hinata was considering giving Naruto a scarf as a symbol of her love if he's already with someone.

Also, the tagline of the movie is "The beginning if love."

 

Which explains her having that scene with Sakura which many think is asking her to give it to Naruto or talking to her about it. 

 

Alot of things added up for NH but things are adding up for us too. 


Edited by Kster95, 02 November 2014 - 12:57 PM.

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:57 PM

 

http://www.narusaku....=14487&p=626173

 

From this post, not exactly a poster. This is awesome news. 

Oh I see :D thanks for saving me the trouble to find it.


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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:58 PM

Sorry if this has been posted before, but I found this on tumblr. (If you're a Hinata fan, don't click tho srsly this person needs to chill) But it was interesting nonetheless. Is it true? Or a mistranslation? idk Japanese, wish i did tho :pinch:


I actually theorized about that myself on my last blog post...

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:59 PM

[I'm not really buying into the "this movie is about Hinata moving on from Naruto" theory. If that was the case, then Naruto and Sakura would share the spotlight, while Hinata's feelings would be sidecasted as a subplot that resolves by itself. 
Hinata growing out of her feelings simply doesn't warrant a movie of its own.]

 

I don't think it is about her moving on. I think it's closure for NH and a way to give limelight to that ship, even if isn't canon. I can say with confidence she won't get with the villain, that's ridiculous. Hinata will have her feelings understood and addressed by Naruto as they haven't been before. I think it's going to end with Hinata saying something about the torn scarf, and how no matter how hard she tried it just doesn't seem to be fated for Naruto to love her. Naruto will be saddened to see her obviously upset, but she'll smile and thank him for inspiring her, accrediting him for allowing her to become strong, thanking her for allowing her to adopt his ninja way. She'll become the Hyuuga clan leader and change the branch-head family tradition, becoming a strong and capable leader. While obviously still in that half-sad-but-happy-for-you look, she'll tell Naruto that even though her first love wasn't fated, He, as he never has done before, shouldn't give up on his. Naruto will thank her for reminding him, smile apologetically and run to find Sakura. 



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Posted 02 November 2014 - 12:59 PM

 
Which explains her having that scene with Sakura which many think is asking her to give it to Naruto or talking to her about it. 
 
Alot of things added up for NH but things are adding up for us too. 



may I ask u what u interpret with that scene?

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:00 PM

While I'd agree that there's hardly any evidence that it might HAVE (we will see in the manga), there's also no evidence that is hasn't. I'm neutral on this point. But even if NS hasn't happened, Naruto might be just doing what he's always done, giving Sakura the space and time she's needed. He actually knows the girl well, and has been through hell and back with her. Underneath the obvious romantic notions, they also have what every great romance does, a solid foundation of genuine love for each other as people who know each other well, best friends. 

Which is also why NS not happening yet can't be compared fairly to NH not happening yet. We know Sakura to some level reciprocates Naruto's feelings, but may have been using those two years to completely heal and get over the whole experience with Sasuke. Naruto, if NS hasn't happened, would pick up on that as he did when Sakura "confessed" and out of love, be selfless enough to wait for her to be ready, just watching over her and making sure she's happy. 
People will argue the same for Hinata, but as obvious by the poster, she and Naruto aren't much closer than what they are in the manga now. They don't have that powerful, well-developed friendship underneath the completely one-sided romantic notions on Hinata's side, all they have had are sparce moments where Naruto inspires her. She doesn't know Naruto nearly as well as Naruto knows Sakura. Waiting for the girl you love (whose shown signs of loving you too) is different from hiding in the shadows waiting for a guy who already knows you love him to change his mind.


I'm hoping the manga will give a conclusion about which pairing is endgame. But with the movie ads hammering Hinata's love to the death, it seems like there's a chance we won't.

The biggest evidence we have that they aren't together is that Hinata wants to give Naruto a scarf, which is supposedly a romantic winter festival thing people now do. It would be extremely awkward if she was written as a homewrecker, no?

And Sasuke's fighting with Naruto again. Maybe he didn't confess to Sakura. :(

Edited by Nefertieh, 02 November 2014 - 01:00 PM.

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:02 PM

But I do know it's highly unlikely that Hinata was considering giving Naruto a scarf as a symbol of her love if he's already with someone.

Also, the tagline of the movie is "The beginning if love."

 

The tagline of the movie is "The Last Story end with first love" very cleverly open-ended. I think the movie is about her making a last-stand effort to have her feelings for Naruto addressed. Like I said, I'm neutral on whether Naruto and Sakura are anything in the movie when it starts. Not enough evidence either way. 



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Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:03 PM

 

"Hinata dislikes herself for always watching from far away" - sounds like she wants to be with him.

 

"Hinata's feelings are secret" - I'm sure everyone knows they're not.

"Her feelings have yet to reach him - where are these hidden feelings headed towards?" - obviously into a wall, people on this thread are telling me.

Because Naruto must reciprocate her feelings in the first five minutes of the movie for NH to be canon.
 
She's scare to confront him? About what? The fact that he upset her when she was a kid and now she wants to throw a tantrum about it, or because she fell in love with him?

I'm not panicking per se, I am still hopeful of the manga. But people on this thread are comforting themselves with anything but facts. Which is making me feel worse.

"sounds like she wants to be with him" It doesn't mean it will go anywhere, she probably feels really sad because she was with him during the IT dream but not anymore. There's also the chance that being in a relationship with him isn't really what she's aiming for, but that she just wants to give him a scarf only as a symbol of her love before she moves on.

 

"obviously into a wall, people on this thread are telling me. Because Naruto must reciprocate her feelings in the first five minutes of the movie for NH to be canon." - She's not even close to him as a friend, and it doesn't seem like there has been any development in their relationship, because she's STILL watching him from a distance. Also, are we supposed to assume that he's not in love with Sakura anymore from the start of the movie? If he's in love with Sakura, why would he reciprocate Hinata's feelings by the end of it if they are not even close?



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Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:03 PM

may I ask u what u interpret with that scene?

 

Almost like that. Hinata talks to Sakura about that childhood situation, she asks Sakura to give it to Naruto since she cant and since its weird for her to give it since NS is together. This is shown by that weird sad/blushing face she makes. Sakura knowing how Hinata feels/felt about Naruto tells her she can do it herself and give her like a pep talk in a way. 


Edited by Kster95, 02 November 2014 - 01:03 PM.

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Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:04 PM

Which explains her having that scene with Sakura which many think is asking her to give it to Naruto or talking to her about it. 
 
Alot of things added up for NH but things are adding up for us too.


Do you think it's likely Hinata went to ask Sakura if she could give Sakura's boyfriend a scarf? Which the magazine says is a romantic gift from a woman to a man? And Sakura not only agrees, but encourages her to do so?
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Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:05 PM

I'm hoping the manga will give a conclusion about which pairing is endgame. But with the movie ads hammering Hinata's love to the death, it seems like there's a chance we won't.

The biggest evidence we have that they aren't together is that Hinata wants to give Naruto a scarf, which is supposedly a romantic winter festival thing people now do. It would be extremely awkward if she was written as a homewrecker, no?

And Sasuke's fighting with Naruto again. Maybe he didn't confess to Sakura. :(

Naruto and Sakura not yet being together makes NS really lame, IMO. Not sure I would like to still ship it if that's the case.

 

Not that I would start shipping NH.

 

Naruto's love life is maybe  taking a turn for the worst. :twitch:


Edited by abloublou, 02 November 2014 - 01:07 PM.


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Posted 02 November 2014 - 01:05 PM

What if Hinata's feelings are secret because everyone believed she moved on after Naruto and Sakura became an item? She smiled when Sakura hugged Naruto so it's not like she hasn't been happy for them before on the outside. Who else would know about the scarf anyway? That could easily be her closure, and I can see her approach Sakura to ask for her permission, and there's no way Sakura would tell her no.


Edited by SuperChief, 02 November 2014 - 01:17 PM.





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