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#5641 Lady Lys

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 12:49 PM

 

Yeah, the ending is to crazy to be believable. Therefore, it makes dealing with it, a little bit easier.

Yeps. I feel most of us are not angry that NS didn't happen, They are angry because of the way the author decided to undo something he has been building for many years.

 

I'm sure in the (hopefully not so distant future) we will have some explanations. Because right now things just don't make sense. I'll wait for them and then I'll pass my judgement. After all probably Kishi just suffered from a concussion  :zaru:


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 12:49 PM

 

He totally went back on the message he's been establishing since Part 1. The manga was all about Sasuke's redemption story basically. As little as he was focused on, he always got the most developments and got what "he wanted" (he really didn't want anything but revenge right? And he still got the girl)

Exactly! I honestly can't believe this manga is called 'Naruto' instead of 'Uchihas'. 

 

I have never read a story where the main character was handled so poorly. In the end, Naruto was made a failure. He failed to beat his rival in battle, he failed to win the heart of the girl he loved so much, he was made a Hokage as a consolation after Kakashi and he also seems to be a failure as a father.

 

So much for Naruto being the hero in Jiraiya's novel. Kishimoto conveniently forgot everything he wrote before 698. 


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 12:53 PM

So much for Naruto being the hero in Jiraiya's novel. Kishimoto conveniently forgot everything he wrote before 698. 

 

I think something happened behind the scene. When the info came that manga will end in 5 chapters! That felt rushed! And I think kishi didn't want this ending. Because if he really wanted this ending we wouldn't have got what we did!


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 12:53 PM

 

I'm sorry, when I perceive some one pretending to be a sheep when they are actually wolf and trying to incite forum riots, as well as being accused several times before for trolling...

 

I cannot and will not stand by that.  If necessary I'll gather the evidence and submit it to an admin.  Notice how when I called them out, they vanished, poof.  Perhaps a coincidence, but..those other posts they did only for them to back track and go "Uh...Just kidding! NARUSAKU FOR LYFE!"  I'm not buying it.  Again, I'm not your enemy, I'm your friend here. I'm trying to make sure every one gets through this.

 

Notice how every one spoke their grievances, and in return I supported every one. I never once denied you your feelings.  I stated only the obvious, eventually we do get over bad things.  Or at least, we will feel better about tem.  Getting over something bad that happens to you does not mean giving up on your morals.  You listening far too much to the crazy counter shippers who are truly the embodiment of cruel grade school bullies.

 

Also, if Kishimoto was an american and he attempted to do what he pulled, it would not fly.  America is far different than what is acceptable in Japan, that's just a fact. Kishimoto as far as he concerned is depicting a female honestly.  Compared to most Shonen he actually allowed the females to be more apart of the story too.  A good step, but Japan has a ways to go.  Western fiction is starting to top the world for a reason.

No you have a right to call someone out if you think that they are doing something wrong.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to report him. From what I have seen he's not harassing anybody but do what you think is right.

 

I moved on from Naruto a long time ago. When 693 came along I gave up on Sakura's character. And with 699 I gave up on NS. I don't feel sad or angry. But a part of me doesn't accept it and a part of me does. It's like after you move on from breaking up with someone. You feel happy that you have moved on but a part of you wonders what really went wrong and what might have been.

 

I know that women's rights and attitudes are different in Japan, but this isn't even about that. This is about the rights of a person. He tried to murder her several times and mind raped her. No matter what culture you are from cold-blooded murder is a serious taboo even from an eastern perspective. I don't feel that Naruto was progressive in any way. I feel like it was counter progressive completely. I've been in 3 relationships and while I know that mine are more western I can tell you that if I had done half of the things that Sasuke or even Naruto did (ignoring confessions and not seizing moments) I never would have gotten to know any of those ppl. Hell Japan's birthrate is declining. My guess is Japanese women are fed up with this kind of treatment. 


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 12:54 PM

Exactly! I honestly can't believe this manga is called 'Naruto' instead of 'Uchihas'. 

 

I have never read a story where the main character was handled so poorly. In the end, Naruto was made a failure. He failed to beat his rival in battle, he failed to win the heart of the girl he loved so much, he was made a Hokage as a consolation after Kakashi and he also seems to be a failure as a father.

 

So much for Naruto being the hero in Jiraiya's novel. Kishimoto conveniently forgot everything he wrote before 698. 

 

Yeah! I'm annoyed also, because although he did earn the title of Hokage originally, making Kakashi Hokage and then him stepping down to essentially what, give Naruto a shot at his dream or something? What was with that? Naruto has always been playing catch up while Sasuke was being spoon fed everything. It's like Sasuke was testing the limits of how far he could take things (essentially he could take it as far as he wanted) and still everything worked out for him in the end AND yet still, he walked away from his family, walked away from responsibility. The Uchiha's essentially got everything they wanted, the only person that paid for everything, was the one good Uchiha, Itachi.


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 12:54 PM

 

Exactly! I honestly can't believe this manga is called 'Naruto' instead of 'Uchihas'. 

 

I have never read a story where the main character was handled so poorly. In the end, Naruto was made a failure. He failed to beat his rival in battle, he failed to win the heart of the girl he loved so much, he was made a Hokage as a consolation after Kakashi and he also seems to be a failure as a father.

 

So much for Naruto being the hero in Jiraiya's novel. Kishimoto conveniently forgot everything he wrote before 698. 

 

Sasuke is very popular.  Wasn't Sasuke forced to be introduced back sooner than what Kishimoto wanted to?  I believe so, it was in an interview some where...  

 

It's odd people tend to prefer very perfect/talented characters more than the main character.  I know Kishimoto preferred the underdog story, but SJ figured that Sasuke needed to still be important in things.  

 


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 12:54 PM

Man, this ending just drives home all the reasons I hate Sasuke.

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 12:56 PM

 

 

 

Sasuke is very popular.  Wasn't Sasuke forced to be introduced back sooner than what Kishimoto wanted to?  I believe so, it was in an interview some where...  

 

It's odd people tend to prefer very perfect/talented characters more than the main character.  I know Kishimoto preferred the underdog story, but SJ figured that Sasuke needed to still be important in things.  

 

 

 

You know what they could've done? Spin-off. That way they can make more money and readers can read about Sasuke all they wanted until he was reintroduced into the main manga. They would've made a killing off of it too.


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 12:59 PM

 

You know what they could've done? Spin-off. That way they can make more money and readers can read about Sasuke all they wanted until he was reintroduced into the main manga. They would've made a killing off of it too.

 

The same thing they did with Angel from Buffy! :D

 

I really have no idea what is going on with Kishi's head! 


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:01 PM

I seriously can't get over the fact that the closing lines in 698 and 699 went to Sasuke.

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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:01 PM

 

The same thing they did with Angel from Buffy! :D

 

I really have no idea what is going on with Kishi's head! 

 

Exactly! I thought this people were supposed to have a one-track mind when it came to money. They had an opportunity blew it and then they thought doing this, could make them more money but it may just end up blowing up in their faces.


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:02 PM

I seriously can't get over the fact that the closing lines in 698 and 699 went to Sasuke.

 

Yeah, I mean it's still Naruto's series. Let him finish the damn thing off lol.


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:02 PM

This was back on page 2 of this thread.

 

Chatte, please tell me that you haven't lost your marbles... :twitch:

Nope, I haven't. :)

 

By the way guys, I would need your help to collect some data in one place because sadly, it's a lot of info to go through myself.

Therefore, I was asking if I could make a thread where we can collect all the info I need in order to write my theory... Someone interested in helping? I am only talking to the interested ones, not the ones who have no interest nor hope nor nothing, bc I know how hard this must be to some people so yeah...What do you guys say?

Thanks a lot!


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:04 PM

Nope, I haven't. :)

 

By the way guys, I would need your help to collect some data in one place because sadly, it's a lot of info to go through myself.

Therefore, I was asking if I could make a thread where we can collect all the info I need in order to write my theory... Someone interested in helping? I am only talking to the interested ones, not the ones who have no interest nor hope nor nothing, bc I know how hard this must be to some people so yeah...What do you guys say?

Thanks a lot!

 

Yeah, no I wouldn't mind.


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:04 PM

http://sgcafe.com/20...mber-4-episode/

 

Look at this kitten.They are now focusing more on Hinata side stories in the anime.

 

Ah this is why we never got Hinata's sketches until then.

They were meant to be shared with this announcement.

I just can't help but think it's really a SP decision, and not Kishi's.


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:08 PM

Nope, I haven't. :)

 

By the way guys, I would need your help to collect some data in one place because sadly, it's a lot of info to go through myself.

Therefore, I was asking if I could make a thread where we can collect all the info I need in order to write my theory... Someone interested in helping? I am only talking to the interested ones, not the ones who have no interest nor hope nor nothing, bc I know how hard this must be to some people so yeah...What do you guys say?

Thanks a lot!

 

I wouldn't mind helping either. :D


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:08 PM

 

Ah this is why we never got Hinata's sketches until then.

They were meant to be shared with this announcement.

I just can't help but think it's really a SP decision, and not Kishi's.

 

SP is very very biased. Which I dodn't understand since ther are the suposed profesionals! Hell if it was me. I wouldn't give in no matter what. Look at Joss Wheson. When they refused him new season/s of Buffy. He went to a new network. Sadly it seams Kishi sold out.


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:08 PM

No you have a right to call someone out if you think that they are doing something wrong.

 

I wouldn't go so far as to report him. From what I have seen he's not harassing anybody but do what you think is right.

 

I moved on from Naruto a long time ago. When 693 came along I gave up on Sakura's character. And with 699 I gave up on NS. I don't feel sad or angry. But a part of me doesn't accept it and a part of me does. It's like after you move on from breaking up with someone. You feel happy that you have moved on but a part of you wonders what really went wrong and what might have been.

 

I know that women's rights and attitudes are different in Japan, but this isn't even about that. This is about the rights of a person. He tried to murder her several times and mind raped her. No matter what culture you are from cold-blooded murder is a serious taboo even from an eastern perspective. I don't feel that Naruto was progressive in any way. I feel like it was counter progressive completely. I've been in 3 relationships and while I know that mine are more western I can tell you that if I had done half of the things that Sasuke or even Naruto did (ignoring confessions and not seizing moments) I never would have gotten to know any of those ppl. Hell Japan's birthrate is declining. My guess is Japanese women are fed up with this kind of treatment. 

 

You are completely right.  I have detached myself morally from this story because it has many flaws, and I see it for what it is.  It's plain abusive, but that same goes for Naruto's relationship with Sasuke.  You do not have to date some one to have an abusive relationship with them.  It's why I'm more willing to look over Sakura's own relationship with Sasuke.  Kishimoto went flat with Sasuke during Part II, probably the result of him being forced to bring back Sasuke sooner, etc. etc. Who knows.  

 

Japanese women actually prefer not to be in marriages because it's easier on them! They do not have to abandon their careers.  Because the moment you get married you are guaranteed to get laid off.  There are not laws like in America where you can sue the PISS out of your employer for pulling something like that.  God Bless America.  This country has its flaws..but it has came a LONG way in a SHORT time. And this is me as a black woman saying this!

 

The men in japan do not like the stress of getting married, having to work their ass off even harder to support not only themselves, but an unemployed wife and children is not appealing.  It's not like the women or men in japan do not have sexual or emotional needs, but with technology now they can easily fulfill those needs without risking even more stress or unemployment.

 

 

 

You know what they could've done? Spin-off. That way they can make more money and readers can read about Sasuke all they wanted until he was reintroduced into the main manga. They would've made a killing off of it too.

 

Or even better, "split" the story in half.  Give Sasuke's perspective and his adventures or whatever bs more, and then Naruto's, from time to time switch it up and have other chars POV.  Honestly he should have done this more with the HUGE world he portrayed.  Screw the old form of wasted training arcs.  Have those kittens train during battle and compensate for all the free space you have now in your story and give other characters background development.


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:12 PM

Okay I am going to open a thread in the Icha Icha NaruSaku forums because it's mostly about their destined love. ;)


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Posted 08 November 2014 - 01:13 PM

Nope, I haven't. :)

 

By the way guys, I would need your help to collect some data in one place because sadly, it's a lot of info to go through myself.

Therefore, I was asking if I could make a thread where we can collect all the info I need in order to write my theory... Someone interested in helping? I am only talking to the interested ones, not the ones who have no interest nor hope nor nothing, bc I know how hard this must be to some people so yeah...What do you guys say?

Thanks a lot!

Yes of course!!! Your theories are amazingly awesome and I would love to help however I can :D.


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But they were all of them deceived, for another canon was made. In the land of Japan, in the fires of Studio Pierrot, the dark Lord Kishimoto forged in secret a master canon, to control all others, and into this canon, he poured his cruelty, his malice, and his will to dominate all life. One canon to rule them all.





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