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[unhskikrforever]

CHATTE, PLEASE. PM ME RIGHT NOW.

[Xan]

Wait, if what Chatte saying is true, does that mean that what Kishi couldn't accomplished in the manga was everything that happened in RtN? And RtN is suppose to be connected to The Last? Wait, what? 

it wouldnt surprise me RTN had both naruto and sakura's parents and both seemed to support NS.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Yeah but I don't think Kishi is that Smart.
 
Besides why would he give us that last panel saying that the manga is over and all that?
 
I'm not saying that I'm not open to theories, but I need more evidence before I buy anything yet.

don't underestimate anyone lol. Kishi has a mind unlike anyone has ever seen.

[applesauceful]

CHATTE, PLEASE. PM ME RIGHT NOW.

 

I know what you mean. I have to know what it is!

 

This is more interesting than the manga itself lol

[Shadow1275]

 

And you are perfectly entitled not to stand by something like this.

 

I remember sitting down and watching a movie with my husband, and literally how the female protagonist acted,...with her cheating on her second love she was married to, just to get with her first fling of a relationship..disgusted me.  I could not enjoy the rest of the movie, and I openly voiced that to my husband.  However there are people who LOVE the movie, it embodies the ideal relationship to them.  

 

I can voice my opinion why I believe an ending is bad.  But when some people are trying to incite a riot is simply not cool.  Wanting to beat up someone because you do not like their story is not cool.  Not liking their story is perfectly fine however. Again, you are entitled to this!

 

My issue with the kid is he is not doing what you think he is doing.  You are being blinded by the fact that he's acting like a wolf in sheep's clothing.  His opinion slips, and a few times he has made mocking posts and riled people up, only to suddenly retcon and go back to "pro-narusaku" mode.  Notice how he vanished when I called him out?

 

What I'm saying to you, yes, it blows.  Yes, the writer wrote Naruto a way, and now he writes it a way to contradict things.  This is true, that blows too.  But ultimately, we have to accept what has been written.  It is, what it is.  It's painful to say, but it's true. Again, I'm not saying to you to "SUCK IT UP AND MOVE ON."  I'm saying to you, as a person that is concerned, "It's okay to be upset, but eventually we will manage to overcome this and move on."

To each their own. I haven't seen him do anything and if he does than he should knock it off but respond to the posts where he does lose his mask. Otherwise cut him some slack. 

 

As for the ending Kishi can do whatever he wants his manga his rules. I don't think ppl should riot but I do think he needs to spend some time talking to domestic abuse victims. NH I can take with a grain of salt. SS... not so much.

[Sakura~]

God Bless you Chatte.

Edited by Sakura~, 08 November 2014 - 12:29 PM.

[unhskikrforever]

it wouldnt surprise me RTN had both naruto and sakura's parents and both seemed to support NS.

YES. But, is Kishi that smart and creative? IDK.
 

I know what you mean. I have to know what it is!
 
This is more interesting than the manga itself lol

 
Indeed. Like, really really interesting.

Edited by unhskikrforever, 08 November 2014 - 12:31 PM.

[Illnevergiveup3]

Nope. But you're close.
Somewhere else lies the truth *chuckle*
The reason I am not saying anything yet is bc well, I want everyone to understand when I will post the theory plus I see some people are kind of done with people who don't give up and also there are the ones who are afraid to believe, so I will not say anything until I post it on my website.
If anyone wants to read it, fine, if not, to each their own ^_^

kitten I want to read that thing for real!!! ASAP!!!

[Lady Lys]

So...wait, is it true what I read some pages ago, that Kishi decided to make NH canon around Pain arc?!? WTF have I been reading!?!?!? Hinata as the heroine is the saddest thing ever. Moreover if he decided to make it canon so long ago. He should have focused on building NH instead. And people say that Sakura is a bad heroine, Hinata is so much worse...  (if this is true it's VERY IRONIC that SS came as an afterthought...and people still blame Sakura...  No respect for this beautiful character even from the author himself..... )

If we take the butchery of Sakura as canon and legit (and I won't, because I have been reading for years and 600+ chapters cannot be effing destroyed by 2 lousy assed ones) and start calling her the worst heroine ever, what should we say about Naruto?!?!?!? The workaholic Hokage whom the world doesn't even need anymore and who abandoned his ideals? 

Right-o, this is the end, we sass, we rage, we shake our heads and move on, but that doesn't mean we have to passively accept all of this. It's not even about the pairings, this is ruining something that he has been building for 15 years. (and I'm even starting to think that this whole marvelous world he built up, was more a stroke of luck than real talent.) 

[Otaru]

Why isn't Kishi writing it?

 

Because he doesn't care anymore. He sold it for a lot amount of money.

[ns.Believe.It]

This is like Eureka Seven AO. The beginning was good but then the ending was kitten. Thankful the Main character basically made it so the events of the show never happened so i can forget it ever existed. But i wont do forget narusaku. Thankfully kish is trolling and will show us the real couple narusaku.

But that's the thing isn't it? That's the biggest problem.

 

Its not how you start, its how you finish-- There's a reason why there is such a saying. It applies to everything in life. You might start off as a loser in the worst possible way but that matters little as long as you end up a winner. I thought the same applied to the character Naruto too but apparently, I was wrong 

 

It applies to stories too. It doesn't matter if a story did not start with a bang. The story might be bad in the beginning but if it  ends in a decent way, people are still gonna give good reviews. But the opposite rarely happens. It doesn't matter how good the story is initially and it doesn't matter if the progress of the story is excellent, if the ending is bad then it'll never be known as a good story. Its readers will be left with nothing but disappointment and regret.

 

A story is always judged based on how it ends and what message it gave to the public. I think its safe to say that Masashi Kishimoto failed monumentally in both of these. 

Edited by ns.Believe.It, 08 November 2014 - 12:37 PM.

[applesauceful]

So...wait, is it true what I read some pages ago, that Kishi decided to make NH canon around Pain arc?!? WTF have I been reading!?!?!? Hinata as the heroine is the saddest thing ever. Moreover if he decided to make it canon so long ago. He should have focused on building NH instead. And people say that Sakura is a bad heroine, Hinata is so much worse...  (if this is true it's VERY IRONIC that SS came as an afterthought...and people still blame Sakura...  No respect for this beautiful character even from the author himself..... )

If we take the butchery of Sakura as canon and legit (and I won't, because I have been reading for years and 600+ chapters cannot be effing destroyed by 2 lousy assed ones) and start calling her the worst heroine ever, what should we say about Naruto?!?!?!? The workaholic Hokage whom the world doesn't even need anymore and who abandoned his ideals? 

Right-o, this is the end, we sass, we rage, we shake our heads and move on, but that doesn't mean we have to passively accept all of this. It's not even about the pairings, this is ruining something that he has been building for 15 years. (and I'm even starting to think that this whole marvelous world he built up, was more a stroke of luck than real talent.) 

 

Well I think it was more Kishi's assistant thought that after the Pein arc, Naruto gave up on Sakura or something like that. Although, I thought the Sai thing and confession came after that and also the GF comment. But apparently we were all misinterpreting that, right? :(

[milan kyuubi]

Nope. But you're close.

Somewhere else lies the truth *chuckle*

The reason I am not saying anything yet is bc well, I want everyone to understand when I will post the theory plus I see some people are kind of done with people who don't give up and also there are the ones who are afraid to believe, so I will not say anything until I post it on my website.

If anyone wants to read it, fine, if not, to each their own ^_^

 

Ok! :) You have my interest now!

 

Can't wait to see your theory! xoxoxo

 

I am more hyped by this then I was about Naruto vs Sasuke! Lol! XD

Edited by milan kyuubi, 08 November 2014 - 12:39 PM.

[applesauceful]

But that's the thing isn't it? That's the biggest problem.

 

Its not how you start, its how you finish-- There's a reason why there is such a saying. It applies to everything in life. You might start off as a loser in the worst possible way but that matters little as long as you end up as a winner. I thought the same applied to the character Naruto too but apparently I was wrong 

 

It applies to stories too. It doesn't matter if a story did not start with a bang.  The story might be bad in the beginning but if it  ends in a decent way, people are gonna give good reviews. But the opposite rarely happens. It doesn't matter how good the story is initially and it doesn't matter if the progress of the story is excellent, If the ending is bad then it'll never be known as a good story. Its readers will be left with nothing but disappointment and regret.

 

A story is always judged based on how it ends and what message it ended up giving to the public. I think its safe to say that Masashi Kishimoto failed monumentally in both of these. 

 

He totally went back on the message he's been establishing since Part 1. The manga was all about Sasuke's redemption story basically. As little as he was focused on, he always got the most developments and got what "he wanted" (he really didn't want anything but revenge right? And he still got the girl)

[Zodd]

To each their own. I haven't seen him do anything and if he does than he should knock it off but respond to the posts where he does lose his mask. Otherwise cut him some slack. 

 

As for the ending Kishi can do whatever he wants his manga his rules. I don't think ppl should riot but I do think he needs to spend some time talking to domestic abuse victims. NH I can take with a grain of salt. SS... not so much.

 

I'm sorry, when I perceive some one pretending to be a sheep when they are actually wolf and trying to incite forum riots, as well as being accused several times before for trolling...

 

I cannot and will not stand by that.  If necessary I'll gather the evidence and submit it to an admin.  Notice how when I called them out, they vanished, poof.  Perhaps a coincidence, but..those other posts they did only for them to back track and go "Uh...Just kidding! NARUSAKU FOR LYFE!"  I'm not buying it.  Again, I'm not your enemy, I'm your friend here. I'm trying to make sure every one gets through this.

 

Notice how every one spoke their grievances, and in return I supported every one. I never once denied you your feelings.  I stated only the obvious, eventually we do get over bad things.  Or at least, we will feel better about tem.  Getting over something bad that happens to you does not mean giving up on your morals.  You listening far too much to the crazy counter shippers who are truly the embodiment of cruel grade school bullies.

 

Also, if Kishimoto was an american and he attempted to do what he pulled, it would not fly.  America is far different than what is acceptable in Japan, that's just a fact. Kishimoto as far as he concerned is depicting a female honestly.  Compared to most Shonen he actually allowed the females to be more apart of the story too.  A good step, but Japan has a ways to go.  Western fiction is starting to top the world for a reason.

[Shadow1275]

This enforces my idea...

This was back on page 2 of this thread.

 

Chatte, please tell me that you haven't lost your marbles...

[unhskikrforever]

This was back on page 2 of this thread.

 

Chatte, please tell me that you haven't lost your marbles...

 

I saw that too. I was wondering what idea she was talking about.

[Lady Lys]

 

Well I think it was more Kishi's assistant thought that after the Pein arc, Naruto gave up on Sakura or something like that. Although, I thought the Sai thing and confession came after that and also the GF comment. But apparently we were all misinterpreting that, right? :(

Some things cannot be misinterpreted and Naruto telling his own dead zombie father that Sakura was his girlfriend is one of them. Girlfriend is girlfriend (and even if some fans have been discussing the fine points of girl-friend, sometimes things are just what they are).

He ruined two characters, not because they didn't end up together, but because he cancelled all their principles and destroyed everything they stood for.

 

Things should be taken cum grano salis but many have been buying and spending their money for years, and I can't fault them if they get angry. As for me I'll just shake my head, be disgusted and appalled at how fast a work can be destroyed, continue reading good fan fictions and browsing for good fan art. And move on. But I ain't stopping shipping them just for 2 chapters ( where everything and everyone is OOC and where apparently Konoha became Gotham City) 

[applesauceful]

Some things cannot be misinterpreted and Naruto telling his own dead zombie father that Sakura was his girlfriend is one of them. Girlfriend is girlfriend (and even if some fans have been discussing the fine points of girl-friend, sometimes things are just what they are).

He ruined two characters, not because they didn't end up together, but because he cancelled all their principles and destroyed everything they stood for.

 

Things should be taken cum grano salis but many have been buying and spending their money for years, and I can't fault them if they get angry. As for me I'll just shake my head, be disgusted and appalled at how fast a work can be destroyed, continue reading good fan fictions and browsing for good fan art. And move on. But I ain't stopping shipping them just for 2 chapters ( where everything and everyone is OOC and where apparently Konoha became Gotham City) 

 

Yeah, the ending is too crazy to be believable. Therefore, it makes dealing with it, a little bit easier.

Edited by applesauceful, 08 November 2014 - 12:46 PM.

[milan kyuubi]

 

Yeah, the ending is too crazy to be believable. Therefore, it makes dealing with it, a little bit easier.

 

This! I would be far more upset if the final was very well done. And the only hing we were unhappy was because of NS. But the ending is worse then parody! xd