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[FoolishYoungling]

^^ Probably somewhere. If that's true, does anyone have a link of Kishi verifying it in any way shape or form? Also what do the Sasusaku fanbase think about the MinaKush pairing?

You don't see many SS fans anymore, but I think they are thinking that it is enough to make sence that there arn't many SS fans anymore.

[Nate River]

That's a very good point. I've heard the argument before that Hinata "deserves" Naruto due simply to her having feelings for him first, almost as if he's entitled to return her feelings on the sole basis of her developing those feelings before anyone else. The argument is flawed of course, since the same logic can be applied to N/S. But even taking it from a platonic 'acknowledgment' sense, Hinata hasn't done anything significant to help Naruto till the Chuunin Exams, when she offered to let him cheat on her test and give him ointment. If she acknowledged him first, it seems like it made absolutely no difference as far as Naruto was concerned. To me, it feels like Hinata's knowledge of Naruto's suffering wasn't exactly 'support', as much as motivation for her own character to improve.

I'd forgotten about the cheating part. Still, in part 1, the only "first" she really has is crushing on him, but Kishimoto doesn't emphasize the first in line status of this at all. She makes the confession first, but, seriously, so what? Kishimoto hasn't shown that to be significant either.

Oh man, crazed fans are the worst on youtube... Looks like most of them are NaruHina and NaruSasu fans. I didn't even imagine there were so many NaruSasu fans. Oh, well. It's still more plausible than NaruHina or SasuSaku I guess.

You guys are spending way too much time complaining about the fans. Please discontinue doing it.

[Rocket]

^^ Probably somewhere. If that's true, does anyone have a link of Kishi verifying it in any way shape or form? Also what do the Sasusaku fanbase think about the MinaKush pairing, I'm kinda curious on what their perception of the pairing is?

SS fanbase opinion on MinaKushi? That's one thing that probably most of us aren't sure of since it's difficult to relate/compare them, and the NH fanbase compares Naruto with Kushina and Hinata with Minato. I don't know if it's even possible to relate Sasuke with the pairing. He definitely can't be compared to Kushina, or probably even Minato either. It's true that Sasuke was quite calm in Part I [I think, because he wasn't exactly psychopathic back then], but Minato doesn't come into play until Part II. And by the time he does, look at what Sasuke has become by then. Hmm, I wonder if it's easier to compare the two now... [sarcasm] So my bet is that the SS fanbase doesn't really take MinaKushi into account, since it doesn't really benefit their pairing, but as for the "comparisons" that the NH fanbase make... I could go on forever, but I'll choose to stand back.

You guys are spending way too much time complaining about the fans. Please discontinue doing it.

[Bows down in shame] Gomenasai, Nate River-sama! It won't happen again... or at least I think it won't but I get really really pissy at this stuff

[Fenris]

I don't think they really have anything in common. e_e At least not any physical or emotional trait that i've noticed.

[RedDelicious]

Hinata hasn't done anything significant to help Naruto till the Chuunin Exams, when she offered to let him cheat on her test

I'd forgotten about the cheating part.

Me too. I had just mentioned how Hinata is most active when she thinks Naruto is going to fail, and this is another example.

Suppose Naruto had caved in. Almost certainly he would have been caught and tossed out of the exam. Would Hinata have been sad for her part in getting him bounced out? Or would she have felt good anyways, because she had a chance to demonstrate her help when he was about to fail?

What about Sakura's reaction? She has faith that Naruto won't walk into the trap of cheating. She is also willing to let him fail (on his own merits), but *was* ready to drop out of the exam to prevent Naruto's goal (of being Hokage) from being denied.
(Considering that she thought she was in love with Sasuke at the time, his goals and ambitions did not cross her mind while she was making this decision.)

Edit: (Different thought...) I was just re-reading some of those chunin exam chapters. Got to chapter 73, when Kakashi thinks, "Sakura is the same as Naruto... Her inability to accept defeat is beyond the normal person."

Edited by RedDelicious, 02 October 2011 - 03:09 PM.

[Living Lavish]

I could go on all day, but my point is that it all comes down to things like upbringing, personality and what bonds certain characters may have had (or not had) prior to the series start. With that being said, even If we were to compare say, NaruHina and NaruSaku in terms of honorifics, I think that NS would win, because even though Naruto adresses Sakura with "-chan", from your post I understand that "-chan" is sort of an exception and that instead of denoting formality it actually denotes closeness and affection. Also if adressing someone without a suffix means that you are close to that person, that means that Sakura adressing Naruto as simply "Naruto" at the very least means that the two are very close (either as friends or lovers, your choice ). Similarly this can also be applied to Naruto simply referring to Hinata as "Hinata". Meanwhile, Hinata has always referred to Naruto as "Naruto-kun", which means that even though she respects him and wishes to be closer to him she still distances herself from him by using that particular suffix. So basically, NS has one affectionate suffix and NH has one slighty formal suffix. It still gets a bit sketchy though, as once again it all comes down to personality and upbringing. Hinata is just polite. Naruto calling Sakura "Sakura-chan" simply comes from when he still had a shallow crush on her (i.e. when he didn't know her all that well, but still liked her regardless) and Sakura refusing to call Naruto with any suffix was originally a sign of disrespect towards him. So yeah, in the end it's all completely pointless IMO, just like my entire post.

As for the whole acknowledgement argument, it doesn't really matter whether Hinata was the first to acknowledge Naruto or if she respected him when noone else did. Like some of you already mentioned, in the end none of it made ANY difference whatsoever on Naruto's part. He was still all alone and was hated by pretty much everyone. He desperately needed someone, anyone to acknowledge his existence. But she never did. All she did was stand behind trees and whatnot, watching him. Sure, she may have been too shy, but if at the point she truly knew Naruto as well as some people claim, wouldn't she have known that that is exactly what Naruto's philosophy is about. Helping and protecting the ones you care about, no matter what. So, what she should have done was to reach out to Naruto and thereby overcome her shyness in order to help someone why desperately needed it. This may sound like im bashing Hinata, but im not. Im simply adressing a part of Hinata's character that, while not all that flattering, is still an integral part of what makes her who she is. Just like one of Sakura's worst traits is her emotions and how she often lets them control her, Hinata's worst trait is by far her shyness and her inability to muster up the courage to help those she cares about. This is, however a trait that she has slowly learned to overcome over the course of the series, like when she jumped in front of Pain to protect Naruto. In fact that was the culmination of most of her character development, i.e. overcoming her shyness (telling Naruto about her feelings for him) and helping someone precious to her (Protecting Naruto from Pain). The only loose end now is for her to know whether Naruto shares her feelings or not. Whether Kishimoto chooses to tie up this loose end remains to be seen. Meanwhile, Sakura has yet to overcome her greatest weakness, i.e. her emotional turmoil and her confidence issues. However the way I see it, Sakura's emotional problems are a bit more complicated than Hinata's. For one, Hinata's emotional turmoil pretty much boiled down to not being able to tell a boy that she was in love with him, while Sakura had an unrequited love for a boy(Sasuke), who besides not sharing her feelings also used to belittle her and call her annoying. Then said boy left the village and later on became a wanted criminal. A criminal that she suddenly had to kill while trying to protect the feelings of another boy (Naruto) who, unlike the first boy, always encouraged her and alwasy were there for her, but who also saw the first boy as a brother. A brother that he wanted to save, not matter what. Meanwhile, she is confused and maybe ashamed about her feelings for the first boy and she may even begin to develope romantic feelings for the second boy, all the while feeling inferior to both. So basically Sakura is currently trapped in a really f**cked up love triangle.

As for her confidence issues, well I've already covered that in anther thread somewhere, but it basically boils down her doubting whether she truly will be able to surpass her master (Tsunade) in light of her recent "failures", such as not being able to kill Sasuke and realizing that she can't really do anything to help Sasuke or Naruto with overcoming their plights.

Regarding Hinata protecting Naruto. she didn't!!

Hinatas cofesssion was selfish just like she admitted it was. all she did was jump in when Naruto wanted no one to. said her cofession and attacked pain. hows is that protecting, saving or helping? Naruto was in trouble nailed to the ground and she didn't think about him but herself. another burden. she made the situation worse and we could have got lost Naruto forever. do you understand that? so basically she knew damn well she was no match for Pain. it was a confession and suicide.

alos where the hell are you getting this thing about Sakura doubting herself that she wn't be able to surpass Tsunade? because nothing in the manga suggets these confidence issues. you just made this up.

Edited by Living Lavish, 02 October 2011 - 04:17 PM.

[Anguyen92]

Regarding Hinata protecting Naruto. she didn't!!

Hinatas cofesssion was selfish just like she admitted it was. all she did was jump in when Naruto wanted no one to. said her cofession and attacked pain. hows is that protecting, saving or helping? Naruto was in trouble nailed to the ground and she didn't think about him but herself. another burden. she made the situation worse and we could have got lost Naruto forever. do you understand that?

Oyyyyy, I'm sorry to say this, but its certain events and times like these where I dislike Hinata in a certain extend. Why would she just go out there when Naruto say that this is dangerous don't do it? Doesn't she have faith in the dude? And it made him go into six-tails mode, which might have been the end of everyone that was still alive. The whole cheating at the exams, going out there when Naruto says don't. I know she had the right intentions, but it just seems like it either made the situation worse or would have had really bad consequences. I know the NH fans already think of her as someone who can't do no wrong, but when you look at these events in retrospect, she's just as flawed as everyone else.

Anywho, does anyone have a link on the verification that Kishi says yellow and pink go together (If it exists)?

Edited by Anguyen92, 02 October 2011 - 04:28 PM.

[Living Lavish]

Oyyyyy, I'm sorry to say this, but its certain events and times like these where I dislike Hinata in a certain extend. Why would she just go out there when Naruto say that this is dangerous don't do it? And it made him go into six-tails mode, which might have been the end of everyone that was still alive. The whole cheating at the exams, going out there when Naruto says don't. I know she had the right intentions, but it just seems like it either made the situation worse or would have had really bad consequences. I know the NH fans already think of her as someone who can't do no wrong, but when you look at these events in retrospect, she's just as flawed as everyone else.

Anywho, does anyone have a link on the verification that Kishi says yellow and pink go together (If it exists)?

Exactly people in NH fandom ignore this or don't realize it. but i love it when i bring this point to them, they have nothing to counter with. Some just understand and agree tho.

im not sure about that Yellow and Pink line, but i could be wrong.

[Soul]

Hi guys sorry if i interrupted you guys but I just want to say iam really big fan of you guys,was checking this web site daily for 6 months and I really like your posts if gave me a reason to continue supporting narusaku and yeah I agree 'Living lavish'

[Living Lavish]

So many new members the last couple of days.

Welcome to the forum Ray

[Fenris]

It's been bothering me lately. If Sasuke really does become redeemed and return to the village, will Sakura, fall deeper in love with him? :/

[pharix]

Oyyyyy, I'm sorry to say this, but its certain events and times like these where I dislike Hinata in a certain extend. Why would she just go out there when Naruto say that this is dangerous don't do it? Doesn't she have faith in the dude?

*points to fight with Tobi*

[Living Lavish]

It's been bothering me lately. If Sasuke really does become redeemed and return to the village, will Sakura, fall deeper in love with him? :/

Sakura happiness is the Team 7 memories nothing sasuke as an indivitual ever did made her happy. Naruto and Sakura relationship have gone beyond that. Sakura never showed to be attracted to sasukes personaily while she has with Naruto. plus when she started to really genuinely care for Sasuke she didn't fall in love with him all over again. it was worry all together.

Sakura loves sasuke yes, but only her love for Naruto is true love and real, based on an actual dynamic relationship, and mutual feeings. i believe her feelings for Naruto are alot stronger and deeper (even tho shes not aware of them yet) then anybody in the manga at this point.


and like someone said before:

I don't think she will be happy whether she loves him or not. At this point, I think Sakura feels guilty for taking Naruto's feelings for granted. Even if Sasuke is redeemed, team seven is together, and Sakura still loves Sasuke, I doubt she will accept him romantically. I think Naruto is too important for her to ignore his feelings completely(My opinion is, Sakura is still in love with Sasuke, but thinks Naruto is more important). At the end, Sakura will feel guilty she won't be able to enjoy a romantic relationship with Sasuke even IF she is in love with him. (That is just how much Naruto is important for her.)

Sakura needs Naruto. i don't think she could live without him by her side.

EDIT: another thing i wanted to say is when Team 7 are together again. sasuke will notice how acts around Naruto and how close she is to him, how strongly she defends him, that smile etc. so i know he will bring them together somehow. Sasuke happiness in part 1 was Team 7 as a whole being there for him as a family.


also did you get my message i sent you earlier?

Edited by Living Lavish, 02 October 2011 - 06:45 PM.

[Anguyen92]

It's been bothering me lately. If Sasuke really does become redeemed and return to the village, will Sakura, fall deeper in love with him? :/

No, I don't think so. Why would she fall in love with a guy, who even before the betrayal and leaving the village has pretty much undermined her abilities whereas Naruto has been pretty been always supportive with her ability and tactics. It just seems that with Sasuke for the most part that she seems to be sad around him and not be herself and you can't fall deeper in love without being yourself, and whereas around Naruto that she could be herself and be happy, for the most part, around him.

The most important part of a relationship would be, are you happy with the person you are with, which would probably settle most debates.

*points to fight with Tobi*

Oh, right.

Edited by Anguyen92, 02 October 2011 - 06:51 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

No, I don't think so. Why would she fall in love with a guy, who even before the betrayal and leaving the village has pretty much undermined her abilities whereas Naruto has been pretty been always supportive with her ability and tactics. It just seems that with Sasuke for the most part that she seems to be sad around him and not be herself and you can't fall deeper in love without being yourself, and whereas around Naruto that she could be herself and be happy, for the most part, around him.

The most important part of a relationship would be, are you happy with the person you are with, which would probably settle most debates.

Yeah, as I have said before, if Sakura choices Sasuke then everyone is going to say she is going to be the most underrated character ever and then is going to pick on her for being useless. So NaruSaku please?

[TerrorKing]

Regarding Hinata protecting Naruto. she didn't!!

Hinatas cofesssion was selfish just like she admitted it was. all she did was jump in when Naruto wanted no one to. said her cofession and attacked pain. hows is that protecting, saving or helping? Naruto was in trouble nailed to the ground and she didn't think about him but herself. another burden. she made the situation worse and we could have got lost Naruto forever. do you understand that? so basically she knew damn well she was no match for Pain. it was a confession and suicide.

alos where the hell are you getting this thing about Sakura doubting herself that she wn't be able to surpass Tsunade? because nothing in the manga suggets these confidence issues. you just made this up.

Hinata's confession was indeed selfish. My post was merely my interpretation of what Hinata might have felt during the Naruto vs. Pain fight. Essentially, she just wanted to do SOMETHING. I agree that in the end, it did nothing but make everything worse.

Also, the thing abou Sakura's confidence issues is just my personal interpretation. I probably should have been more clear about that, so sorry about that.

Edited by TerrorKing, 02 October 2011 - 08:57 PM.

[Phantom_999]

AND YET it was SAKURA'S confession that got shot down as a lie by fans huge irony huh, ALL DUE to the thing called favoritism

[FoolishYoungling]

AND YET it was SAKURA'S confession that got shot down as a lie by fans huge irony huh, ALL DUE to the thing called favoritism

If it was a lie I could understand how NaruHina or SasuSaku fans could troll us, but it wasn't and they do it anyway. Sai said it himself that her telling him that she loved him was completly something else, and them already being best friends for about 4-5 years, do you think that Sakura would just lie to Naruto for Sasuke after she was planning to kill him? Yeah if you ask me, if she was lieing then the plots to this anime arn't good, at least alot of the ones around that point anyway.

[Fenris]

If it was a lie I could understand how NaruHina or SasuSaku fans could troll us, but it wasn't and they do it anyway. Sai said it himself that her telling him that she loved him was completly something else, and them already being best friends for about 4-5 years, do you think that Sakura would just lie to Naruto for Sasuke after she was planning to kill him? Yeah if you ask me, if she was lieing then the plots to this anime arn't good, at least alot of the ones around that point anyway.

And they've been on countless dates.. (Naruto, and Sakura.)

And also, I've found this from Naruto Shippuden movie 3.
It's pretty cute. Notice how she clenches her chest before yelling at Sai. Oh how I love Sai and his little hints.

[Darth Krypt]

And also, I've found this from Naruto Shippuden movie 3.
It's pretty cute. Notice how she clenches her chest before yelling at Sai. Oh how I love Sai and his little hints.

Oh hoho you have no idea how many times I repeated this part. Ok twenty times.