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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

"Yes, see what kakashi did right there? that's a rejection. "

That wasnt a rejection that was a reality shock, it was a direct message instead of the lover nin, Yes obito died but rin confessed her feelings to emo version kakashi.
Kakashi didnt said no there, he told her the truth, if wasnt obito she would have died because of her lover ( she ended dying by his hand anyway) but it was a reality shock, kakashi was nt a nice guy to love, then he told her that obito loved her and he sacrificed his life to protect her, in other words she was alive because of obito's "sacrifice" she didnt knew this, so kakashi told her the truth and the pairing KakaRin died there.

[KnS]

What??
"When she was young she was kidnapped by a head ninja from Kumogakure, who under the guise of striking a peace treaty with Konoha, had actually been sent there to steal the Byakugan. Her father killed the would-be kidnapper to save her, but Kumo demanded compensation in the form of Hiashi's dead body due to having signed a peace treaty with the village only moments before."
Srsly.

They were at war, and they wanted to byakugan to sign a treat peace with konoha and have the byakugan for god's sake the context is completely different.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

The subject being discussed was "similarities between Kushina and Hinata." Well, both were kidnapped by Kumo. The reasons why Kumo wanted to kidnap them, the conditions of the kidnappings, or how the kidnappings were stopped are irrelevant.

They were both kidnapped. That's the similarity.

Yes, see what kakashi did right there? that's a rejection. She was confessing and he stopped her and told her that he would've cared less and that obito has feelings for her. ( note that I'm not bashing kakashi)

Sorry. I know some of you guys get really tired of my endless defense of Kakashi, but I have to throw this out here....

What Kakashi actually said was, "I was once... the kind of trash that would abandon you..." That is NOT the same thing as "he would've cared less." The fact that he says "I was once" proves that his feelings had changed and he did care. It doesn't mean Kakashi was in love with Rin, but he did value her life and her feelings as a teammate, and he was committed to protecting her with his own -- after he learned from his mistakes.

Was it a rejection? Technically, yes. But it was really more about Kakashi rejecting himself for being unworthy of Rin's affection, not rejecting her.

In my opinion, when Sasuke rejected Sakura (Part I) he comes off a lot colder than Kakashi. Kakashi basically said, "Obito deserved your affection, not me. I'm trash." By contrast, Sasuke basically said, "Thanks for caring and proving my value to you, but it makes no difference."

If I had to be on the receiving end of one of those rejections, I'd take Kakashi's any day of the week. Kakashi's rejection was meant to be in Rin's best interests. Sasuke's rejection was in his own best interests. That's how I see it.

I think the best that can be said is... IF Kakashi and/or Sasuke had any interest in the girl they rejected, they made it clear they had no intention of doing anything about it and wanted the girls to move on.

I don't think SS is meant to be pending relationship. I think it's already gone. What's not gone is Sakura's feelings for him. She can be rejected, but her love can remain until further notice.

This is a really interesting way to make this point, and I agree with you completely.

Anyway there would have been SS shippers regardless. People would have shipped for the pairing anyway even if they think it as not hope of happening.

Absolutely true.

[candycane-chan]

I don't mind it but I already said that I didn't mean to bash him in any form. He's one of my favorites acualy.
That's a way to look at it, but in the end it was still a rejection. And personally, I thought it Was better then sasuke's since it was clear from that point that kakarin was no longer a possibility and their relation was resolved with kakashi promising to protect rin for obito's sake.
dovahkin Kns' post pretty much sums my thoughts about it, and this /\

Edited by candycane-chan, 27 November 2012 - 09:59 PM.

[redragon88]

Do you guys think that part of the reason Sakura's confession to Naruto wasn't the right one is because she tried to force what she feels for Sasuke upon Naruto?

Remember what Sakura's original reason to like Sasuke was, he was the cool talented kid that was adored by all the girls and admired by the rest because of his Uchiha heritage. But now, it's Naruto that's adored by all of the villagers, in which some even want him to become Hokage already.

Sakura mentioned how Naruto encouraged her and is becoming a very important man. I think those might've been the things she had expected from Sasuke before his fall to darkness. So now that it seems impossible for Sasuke to be that, she made herself believe that Naruto was the right guy to place those expectations upon, thus made herself believe she fell for him the same way in which she fell for Sasuke.

Remember what she said near the end of her confession: "I just switched from Sasuke to you". In other orders, she wanted to transfer her feelings for Sasuke to Naruto.

The point is that the way she has come to love Naruto is very different from Sasuke. She never placed any high expectations upon Naruto, meaning that even if he supported her and became an important person it wasn't gonna be the reason as to why she fell for him. If Sakura ever had to say once again why she fell for Naruto I think it would be a good idea for her to say that how she feels for him is very different than how she always felt for Sasuke.

During this new demonstration of her feelings Sakura could make it a point to say how she tried to make herself feel for Naruto what she feels for Sasuke, but that such a thing is impossible to happen since she view both boys in very different ways. First, Sakura says how she can never love Naruto the same way she did with Sasuke (this is for the sake of building suspense), but then she explains to Naruto how she has come to love him in a completely different way and how that's the type of love she never wants to let go of.

I would like for her to comment that despite everything with Naruto being now this great hero that he's is still a reckless, annoying, idiot that can only give her trouble and make her worry to no end. But then mention that those characteristics are part of who Naruto is and that she wouldn't have him any other way. She would explained how in a way she has come to love that idiotic nature of his and that she would feel sad if he stopped being like that since it wouldn't be Naruto anymore. After that, Sakura could mention that it's those crazy characteristic that allow Naruto be the kind person that he is. Someone that always fills Sakura with happiness and makes her smile.

If Sakura uses this angle to express her feelings this time around she will make it clear that Naruto isn't just some simple substitute for her feelings for Sasuke. While her feelings for Sasuke are something she desired, it's her feelings for Naruto that give her true happiness despite not being what she originally envisioned as true love. It also show that Sakura falling for Naruto was not because he changed into someone she desired more, it was because she herself changed by coming to loving him for who he's always been.

Also, Sakura calling Naruto an idiot just to later say that she loves him precisely because he's an idiot goes hand in hand with her tsundere personality.

Don-kun previously posted a deviantart image that goes along with what I explained more or less.

What do you guys think about this? Would this be a nice way for Sakura to resolve her feelings? Give me some feed back.

[luffyq1]

Fun fact:

Sakura's care for Naruto outweights her so called "love" for Sasuke. Evidence to support this claim is during the hospital scene in the end of part 1, the search for Sasuke in the beginning of part 2, finding out Naruto loves Sakura, the confession, and murder attempt.

Seriously, you'd think the SS fandom would be scared because of this, not happy because she still "loves" Sasuke.

Want to know what's even more scary? She started out hating Naruto's guts and was a diehard Sasuke fangirl. Nearing the end of part 1 she says to herself that "he always knew" and that "he always helped me". She completely trust Naruto. She was Lois lane and he was her superman.

Now we are in part 2 and it's as clear as day that Naruto > love for Sasuke.

Such a beautiful transition, don't you think?

Edited by luffyq1, 28 November 2012 - 01:00 AM.

[swagosaurus]

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Edited by swagosaurus, 28 November 2012 - 12:14 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Do you guys think that part of the reason Sakura's confession to Naruto wasn't the right one is because she tried to force what she feels for Sasuke upon Naruto?

Remember what Sakura's original reason to like Sasuke was, he was the cool talented kid that was adored by all the girls and admired by the rest because of his Uchiha heritage. But now, it's Naruto that's adored by all of the villagers, in which some even want him to become Hokage already.

Sakura mentioned how Naruto encouraged her and is becoming a very important man. I think those might've been the things she had expected from Sasuke before his fall to darkness. So now that it seems impossible for Sasuke to be that, she made herself believe that Naruto was the right guy to place those expectations upon, thus made herself believe she fell for him the same way in which she fell for Sasuke.

Remember what she said near the end of her confession: "I just switched from Sasuke to you". In other orders, she wanted to transfer her feelings for Sasuke to Naruto.

The point is that the way she has come to love Naruto is very different from Sasuke. She never placed any high expectations upon Naruto, meaning that even if he supported her and became an important person it wasn't gonna be the reason as to why she fell for him. If Sakura ever had to say once again why she fell for Naruto I think it would be a good idea for her to say that how she feels for him is very different than how she always felt for Sasuke.

During this new demonstration of her feelings Sakura could make it a point to say how she tried to make herself feel for Naruto what she feels for Sasuke, but that such a thing is impossible to happen since she view both boys in very different ways. First, Sakura says how she can never love Naruto the same way she did with Sasuke (this is for the sake of building suspense), but then she explains to Naruto how she has come to love him in a completely different way and how that's the type of love she never wants to let go of.

I would like for her to comment that despite everything with Naruto being now this great hero that he's is still a reckless, annoying, idiot that can only give her trouble and make her worry to no end. But then mention that those characteristics are part of who Naruto is and that she wouldn't have him any other way. She would explained how in a way she has come to love that idiotic nature of his and that she would feel sad if he stopped being like that since it wouldn't be Naruto anymore. After that, Sakura could mention that it's those crazy characteristic that allow Naruto be the kind person that he is. Someone that always fills Sakura with happiness and makes her smile.

If Sakura uses this angle to express her feelings this time around she will make it clear that Naruto isn't just some simple substitute for her feelings for Sasuke. While her feelings for Sasuke are something she desired, it's her feelings for Naruto that give her true happiness despite not being what she originally envisioned as true love. It also show that Sakura falling for Naruto was not because he changed into someone she desired more, it was because she herself changed by coming to loving him for who he's always been.

Also, Sakura calling Naruto an idiot just to later say that she loves him precisely because he's an idiot goes hand in hand with her tsundere personality.

Don-kun previously posted a deviantart image that goes along with what I explained more or less.

What do you guys think about this? Would this be a nice way for Sakura to resolve her feelings? Give me some feedback.

She demonstrate there that her caring for naruto is higher than her love for sasuke nothing more or less.
She didnt tried to force anything what she said "convincing arguments" she pretty much said you become a great man, do not compare with sasuke, he was admired by the village but not for his efforts but because the people feel sorry for him, sakura said : naruto you are a hero now and everyone loves you another convincing argument but the confession went downfall when she asked naruto to stop chasing sasuke no matter what she said would change that.

She did not tell naruto the truth to not hurt him that's why she bought up the "i love you" as a prize and to not make naruto sad for not fullfilling his promise, sai pretty much said something like that with another words "naruto loves you but he will keep that promise for the rest of his life to show you how much he loves and because of this he cant tell you his feelings and bla bla bla" naruto said that to sai that he cannot tell her his feelings because of the stupid POAL or whatever you call it.

The POAL does not longer exists, naruto didnt had a chance to talk face to face with sakura so i say that the pairing drama will be ended after the war arc, it's obvious.

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Edited by dovahkiin, 28 November 2012 - 01:46 AM.

[Tsubaki]

Huh Do you think the popularity of NaruHina can affect Kishi's decision? I know that KakaIru and NaruSasu are very popular in Japan but they are impossible pairings in a shounen ... do you think that he can change his mind because of that? ( The editor or SJ can also opine on that?) D:

[redragon88]

@dovahkiin

You have to remember that Sakura wasn't simply giving reason to love Naruto, she also kept commenting as to how Sasuke kept breaking her heart. That in itself gives the impression that she's only choosing Naruto because Sasuke will never be what she wants him to be. Since Naruto is now the great man she expected Sasuke to be many years ago that means that she's trying to shift what she felt for Sasuke into Naruto.

But as I said before, in order for her love for Naruto to be truly genuine she has to understand that she loves him for completely different reason than what she originally expected to fall in love with. Instead of falling for a cool hero, she just love the crazy energetic guy he's always been since the beginning, regardless of him now being considered important.

[Transformers03]

Here's my thought.

I do believe Sasuke did reject her. No one knows it but Sakura. Naruto has no clue but that's not the point for him. The point is that she loves him and he accepts it, regardless if it hurts him. Sure, he knows that Sakura met Sasuke before he left, but does he even knows that she confessed her love to him already. I don't think SS is meant to be pending relationship. I think it's already gone. What's not gone is Sakura's feelings for him. She can be rejected, but her love can remain until further notice. Enter Uzumaki Naruto. I realized that Chunnin exam was the beginning of SS's end when I recapped the manga. It was going downhill while NS was going up.

In part 2, Sakura's love for Sasuke was brought up visibly in the Kage Summit Arc. So this is long overdue for her to put it to the test. Verdict is terrible. This is a wake up call that Sasuke can't be that guy that he always dreamed of. Out of all people to rescue her, Naruto did it against Sasuke no less. The change has shown throughout the manga and the reunion shows us where they all stand, and Sakura has been defending Naruto. So after that arc is the war arc, so it's fitting that lover min scene happened since it's fresh in our memory as well as her. The thing about Sakura is that we don't know if she even expects Sasuke loving her back. Recap the manga and notice that it's about team 7 coming back together and doing it because Naruto truly cares. She may love Sasuke but again, does she expect his love return. I think this part may be brought up when talking to Naruto, which may shock him. So as of now, she's alone in this Sasuke's love, but it's only matter of time that she will move on. She can like him sure, but romance wise, it's time.

I can go on with Sasuke, but I'll wait for more comments.

So according to Anti-NS, Narusaku died when Naruto supposedly turn down her confession. But SS is still alive, even though Sasuke also rejected her confession. Heck, at least Naruto had a believable reason to not accept it during that time, as he still wanted to save Sasuke and he knew she was hiding something. For Sasuke it was more selfish...............

I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

The subject being discussed was "similarities between Kushina and Hinata." Well, both were kidnapped by Kumo. The reasons why Kumo wanted to kidnap them, the conditions of the kidnappings, or how the kidnappings were stopped are irrelevant.

They were both kidnapped. That's the similarity.



Sorry. I know some of you guys get really tired of my endless defense of Kakashi, but I have to throw this out here....

What Kakashi actually said was, "I was once... the kind of trash that would abandon you..." That is NOT the same thing as "he would've cared less." The fact that he says "I was once" proves that his feelings had changed and he did care. It doesn't mean Kakashi was in love with Rin, but he did value her life and her feelings as a teammate, and he was committed to protecting her with his own -- after he learned from his mistakes.

Was it a rejection? Technically, yes. But it was really more about Kakashi rejecting himself for being unworthy of Rin's affection, not rejecting her.

In my opinion, when Sasuke rejected Sakura (Part I) he comes off a lot colder than Kakashi. Kakashi basically said, "Obito deserved your affection, not me. I'm trash." By contrast, Sasuke basically said, "Thanks for caring and proving my value to you, but it makes no difference."

If I had to be on the receiving end of one of those rejections, I'd take Kakashi's any day of the week. Kakashi's rejection was meant to be in Rin's best interests. Sasuke's rejection was in his own best interests. That's how I see it.

I think the best that can be said is... IF Kakashi and/or Sasuke had any interest in the girl they rejected, they made it clear they had no intention of doing anything about it and wanted the girls to move on.



This is a really interesting way to make this point, and I agree with you completely.



Absolutely true.

That is a very interesting way to compare the two rejections I completely agree with you.

[PhenixElite]

@dovahkiin

You have to remember that Sakura wasn't simply giving reason to love Naruto, she also kept commenting as to how Sasuke kept breaking her heart. That in itself gives the impression that she's only choosing Naruto because Sasuke will never be what she wants him to be. Since Naruto is now the great man she expected Sasuke to be many years ago that means that she's trying to shift what she felt for Sasuke into Naruto.

But as I said before, in order for her love for Naruto to be truly genuine she has to understand that she loves him for completely different reason than what she originally expected to fall in love with. Instead of falling for a cool hero, she just love the crazy energetic guy he's always been since the beginning, regardless of him now being considered important.

Since we know that sakura already showed feelings for naruto in the beginning of part 2, where he hasnt already saved the village and became a hero, i dont think that she confessed because naruto was cool and stuff like sasuke.

[redragon88]

Since we know that sakura already showed feelings for naruto in the beginning of part 2, where he hasnt already saved the village and became a hero, i dont think that she confessed because naruto was cool and stuff like sasuke.

You're not getting it. Those feelings you're talking about are her true feelings, no doubt about that. But she has never been conscious that those feelings are of true love since she's always associated love with Sasuke.

When she went to confess to Naruto she wasn't thinking back on those feelings you're referring to. Sakura has always been confused about her feelings for Naruto, and that didn't change during the summit arc.

If she was really expressing how she truly felt then she wouldn't have talked about how Sasuke broke her heart through her actions. At that moment she was choosing Naruto because Sasuke pushed her away, but we all know that Naruto would never want Sakura to be forced to love her, he wants to win her over with his own power. That's why he couldn't accept her feelings at the moment.

For Sakura's character to have proper closure she must consciously realized that she loves Naruto not because he's the best available option given that Sasuke is not what she hoped him to be, but because what she truly wants the most is Naruto himself even with all of those flaws that can sometimes irritate her.

[narulsaku]

wow guys great debate and posts. i must say i agree with reddragon88. truly. sakura need to find why she would naruto why she loves naruto. not because she couldnt get sasuke.

[luffyq1]

You're not getting it. Those feelings you're talking about are her true feelings, no doubt about that. But she has never been conscious that those feelings are of true love since she's always associated love with Sasuke.

When she went to confess to Naruto she wasn't thinking back on those feelings you're referring to. Sakura has always been confused about her feelings for Naruto, and that didn't change during the summit arc.

If she was really expressing how she truly felt then she wouldn't have talked about how Sasuke broke her heart through her actions. At that moment she was choosing Naruto because Sasuke pushed her away, but we all know that Naruto would never want Sakura to be forced to love her, he wants to win her over with his own power. That's why he couldn't accept her feelings at the moment.

For Sakura's character to have proper closure she must consciously realized that she loves Naruto not because he's the best available option given that Sasuke is not what she hoped him to be, but because what she truly wants the most is Naruto himself even with all of those flaws that can sometimes irritate her.

Your post makes even more sense given the fact she was sadden by the thought of Naruto changing in the beginning of part 2. She thought that goofyness side of Naruto went away. The chunin exams is a great example that shows she likes Naruto for who he is.

Edited by luffyq1, 28 November 2012 - 07:47 AM.

[PhenixElite]

You're not getting it. Those feelings you're talking about are her true feelings, no doubt about that. But she has never been conscious that those feelings are of true love since she's always associated love with Sasuke.

When she went to confess to Naruto she wasn't thinking back on those feelings you're referring to. Sakura has always been confused about her feelings for Naruto, and that didn't change during the summit arc.

If she was really expressing how she truly felt then she wouldn't have talked about how Sasuke broke her heart through her actions. At that moment she was choosing Naruto because Sasuke pushed her away, but we all know that Naruto would never want Sakura to be forced to love her, he wants to win her over with his own power. That's why he couldn't accept her feelings at the moment.

For Sakura's character to have proper closure she must consciously realized that she loves Naruto not because he's the best available option given that Sasuke is not what she hoped him to be, but because what she truly wants the most is Naruto himself even with all of those flaws that can sometimes irritate her.

Yeah, thats true. During her confession she wasnt telling naruto her true feelings because she still hasnt realized them. There are times when her true feelins come up but during the confession she just tried to release hin from his burden.

The trie feelings for naruto only come up at special moments, like heaven and earth bride and the time will come when she finally realizes them.

[kidNinja]

The next battle in the war between NH/SS vs NS has started.....

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

The next battle in the war between NH/SS vs NS has started.....

Since there's no Nh just hinata.... :3

[narulsaku]

Since there's no Nh just hinata.... :3

why there isnt a nh . there ll be always nh and ss shipper till there is naruto serise in the heart and mind of people of course ns is foreverafter for me.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, let's just say there is NH for those who don't buy it. What could be the final battle of NH vs. NS has begun. For me, I was neutral with the alliance, so I don't see anything until further notice. I do realized that Naruto only talks to Sakura. So yeah, but let's see where it goes from there. Obito and Naruto is officially paralleled, thanks to Obito. I got the feeling Obito will continue to bring this up until his defeat. It seems like there's a purpose. Anyway, the battle has begun and if NS survives, no doubt I will be 100% confidence. In fact, this is the hardest challenge since both are in good state, regardless if one person don't feel love or one has more developments. Ready for this!?

START

[PhenixElite]

Well, let's just say there is NH for those who don't buy it. What could be the final battle of NH vs. NS has begun. For me, I was neutral with the alliance, so I don't see anything until further notice. I do realized that Naruto only talks to Sakura. So yeah, but let's see where it goes from there. Obito and Naruto is officially paralleled, thanks to Obito. I got the feeling Obito will continue to bring this up until his defeat. It seems like there's a purpose. Anyway, the battle has begun and if NS survives, no doubt I will be 100% confidence. In fact, this is the hardest challenge since both are in good state, regardless if one person don't feel love or one has more developments. Ready for this!?

START

Since when is NH in good state?? Just because Kiba said something about hinata to naruto?
I really dont know the problem. omg whats going on here is just retarded.