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[sushi.]

Can anyone tell me what good has Trump done for the country since it's almost been five months in his presidency?

I heard he married Putin they eloped to Hawaii that'd be good ne?

Poor hawaii tho

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

And he talked during his campaign that one should not give classified info to enemies and said Clinton can't handle classified info. How is no one from the officials, or whoever can,  not doing anything about this ?

 

How much of a probability do you think of USA vs North Korea war happening ? If a war happens between them, it's also possible that other countries could get involved in this.

And that was pretty much the stance of the last few Presidents - simply watch North Korea and let them be the first to strike since China had declared that if North Korea instigated a war, then they would not support them and thus the US, as long as we don't push things too far, wouldn't have to worry about fighting China too. It's only if the US attacks first will they help North Korea, but that's exactly what it's looking like with Drumpf at the rate things are going.

[Nate River]

trump told the russians he invited in to the white house classified intel given by a country that asked that the intel be kept confidential http://wapo.st/2raWwjL. So why did the republicans try and impeach bill clinton but trump can tell a known russian spy classified info. Not to mention press wasn't even allowed to see what trump was doing with the russians 

 

You serious? You should know the answer.

 

It's the same reason the media and Democrats didn't seem to care when Obama leaked confidential info. Something he did on several occasions. This doesn't justify Trump's actions, but it takes chutzpah to whine "where are the Republicans" when those same people were MIA when the previous administration engaged in similar behavior. It's certainly hard to gin up my personal outrage machine on your behalf. Liberals and Democrats didn't give kitten when their guy did it, why should we help you do so now? For Democracy? For good government? For America? I probably would if I thought they believed in that and weren't acting in pure partisan self-interest. But when it comes down to it, that what I think that is exactly what they are doing. 

 

So, yeah, when you and lux ask where we are, we are at home watching it burn. If he is impeached and we get President Pence, so be it. I have no intention and standing with a bunch of duplicitous and sanctimonious people selling themselves as white knights who are in service of principles they don't believe in and didn't stand up for when they had the opportunity.

 

Can anyone tell me what good has Trump done for the country since it's almost been five months in his presidency?

 

I feel like I know you well enough to believe you wouldn't ask this in bad faith. However, it's a still bit hard to take seriously. I can think of several things, but if you disagreed with the policy proposals he ran on then it's hard to imagine you'd have ever thought he done anything good no matter how he was currently conducting himself. Why waste the time?

[T XD]

And that was pretty much the stance of the last few Presidents - simply watch North Korea and let them be the first to strike since China had declared that if North Korea instigated a war, then they would not support them and thus the US, as long as we don't push things too far, wouldn't have to worry about fighting China too. It's only if the US attacks first will they help North Korea, but that's exactly what it's looking like with Drumpf at the rate things are going.

I think North Korea won't start a war without something serious happening with them first. Same with USA.

 

Maybe a missile getting too close to USA or North Korea by sea would an alarm ring. But, with just arguments from both sides, no war would happen. It would've been easier if they were neighboring countries. But, to me, Trump speaks then think of what the action meant. Though, there should be advisers around him.

Edited by T XD, 17 May 2017 - 09:55 AM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

 

You serious? You should know the answer.

 

It's the same reason the media and Democrats didn't seem to care when Obama leaked confidential info. Something he did on several occasions. This doesn't justify Trump's actions, but it takes chutzpah to whine "where are the Republicans" when those same people were MIA when the previous administration engaged in similar behavior. It's certainly hard to gin up my personal outrage machine on your behalf. Liberals and Democrats didn't give kitten when their guy did it, why should we help you do so now? For Democracy? For good government? For America? I probably would if I thought they believed in that and weren't acting in pure partisan self-interest. But when it comes down to it, that what I think that is exactly what they are doing. 

 

So, yeah, when you and lux ask where we are, we are at home watching it burn. If he is impeached and we get President Pence, so be it. I have no intention and standing with a bunch of duplicitous and sanctimonious people selling themselves as white knights who are in service of principles they don't believe in and didn't stand up for when they had the opportunity.

 

 

 

 

I feel like I know you well enough to believe you wouldn't ask this in bad faith. However, it's a still bit hard to take seriously. I can think of several things, but if you disagreed with the policy proposals he ran on then it's hard to imagine you'd have ever thought he done anything good no matter how he was currently conducting himself. Why waste the time?

The problem isn't really the act in general in this case, but rather the complete and shameless hypocrisy on the Republican's part this time around given President Obama leaking anything, in their eyes, was made out to be such an enormous deal by them (even threats of impeachment constantly thrown around, even before such actions) and was a one of Trump's constant points while campaigning, even claims made that such actions by President Obama "killed a lot of people" (with no proof), but now not only does Trump do it without any hesitation, completely contradicting that campaign point to everyone's face, but he even does it in a much worse way than previous Presidents ever did, and now his supporters are suddenly completely okay with it and trying to justify it in whatever way they can.

Trying to make Trump's actions and President Obama's actions look completely and exactly alike when they are nowhere near as such and is the type of "both sides" talk pushed by the MSM that helps keep the country in such a deadlock.

[Gravenimage]

I heard he married Putin they eloped to Hawaii that'd be good ne?

Poor hawaii tho

 

Lol.

 

Nate I wasn't being sarcastic.

Edited by Gravenimage, 17 May 2017 - 06:26 PM.

[Shadow1275]

probably committed treason. why else would you ask the fbi director to stop the investigation of flynn

Like demanding said FBI Director should be fired for "Costing" you the election?

 

 

I'm so tired of this Identity Politics bullcrap that the MSM pushes out and that Ppl just eat up when history is so simple.

 

It's like how the MSM and every Leftist government claims that the National SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY was a right wing movement. Meanwhile Bernie Sanders just ran as a Democratic SOCIALIST.

 

EVERY Ideology whether it be religous, political, social, etc. is based in either Individualism or Collectivism. Islam? Collectivist. Socialism? Collectivist. Feminism? Collectivist. Statism? Collectivist. Democracy? Individualist. Republicanism? Individualist. Catholicism? Collectivist. Let's take a look at the death toll of each:

 

Crusades: Highest estimate is 3,000,000, lowest is 1,000,000

 

NAZI Death count: 50 to 80 million ppl killed in WW2 http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

 

Stalin Death count: 20,000,000 plus the above for WW2 http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

 

Mao Zedong Death count: 40,000,000 People http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

 

Dwight D. Eisenhower: 3,000,000 Korean War http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

 

Kim Dynasty: 3,000,000 Post Korean War http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

 

Lyndon B. Johnson/Ho Chi Minh: 4,200,000 Vietnam War http://necrometrics.com/20c5m.htm

 

Bush Sr./Bush Jr./Obama/Trump: <1,260,000

 

Total deaths due to the Above examples of Collectivism:

 

154,460,000

 

NOTHING CAN EVEN COMPARE TO THAT

 

Every time someone votes for increased Government authority, everytime someone votes for increased government oversight, regulation, programs, etc. You are voting in line with the above. You are taking us a step closer to the next Hitler, the next Stalin, the next Johnson. 

 

The next Power Hungry National Socialist.

 

The Dumbocrats are not the answer, they have led the majority of the Wars. The Republicants are not the answer, they are just as Statist as the Dumbocrats.

 

FREEDOM is the true answer for CORRUPTION which DESTROYS EVERY Socialist country. Give up your Statist Religion of politicians before it's too late.

[totherpage95]

Every time someone votes for increased Government authority, everytime someone votes for increased government oversight, regulation, programs, etc. You are voting in line with the above. You are taking us a step closer to the next Hitler, the next Stalin, the next Johnson.

I think we are already there. anyway it's pretty amusing the only defense of what trump is doing is blame hillary

Edited by totherpage95, 17 May 2017 - 08:56 PM.

[totherpage95]

so it seems the reaction to what trump is doing is either

A. blame the fake news media

or

B. impeach trump

or

C. blame hillary

(or the real answer swear undying loyalty to the putin russia government)

i guess there is no free thought left for america it's all about whether you are republican or democrat lol again what a kittening retarded country

[totherpage95]

 

i'm pretty sure obama never leaked info that the press was told by his administration not to report on because it would risk people's lives. incompetence

Edited by totherpage95, 17 May 2017 - 09:16 PM.

[Nate River]

The problem isn't really the act in general in this case, but rather the complete and shameless hypocrisy on the Republican's part this time around given President Obama leaking anything, in their eyes, was made out to be such an enormous deal by them (even threats of impeachment constantly thrown around, even before such actions) and was a one of Trump's constant points while campaigning, even claims made that such actions by President Obama "killed a lot of people" (with no proof), but now not only does Trump do it without any hesitation, completely contradicting that campaign point to everyone's face, but he even does it in a much worse way than previous Presidents ever did, and now his supporters are suddenly completely okay with it and trying to justify it in whatever way they can.

Trying to make Trump's actions and President Obama's actions look completely and exactly alike when they are nowhere near as such and is the type of "both sides" talk pushed by the MSM that helps keep the country in such a deadlock.

 

Hypocrisy is not my concern. If that were all, I wouldn't have bothered with my post. Nobody's hands are clean and I have zero interest in ramming my head against a wall trying to convince you that Obama Administration's actions were at least on par with what Trump has done. I believe that they are. You don't. We are never going to convince each other differently and nobody posting in this thread is uncertain as to where they stand and are waiting to be convinced. So let's not waste any more time. If you wish to tell me why you think Trump is worse, that's fine. I won't tell you have to manage your time. Doesn't don't expect a response. 

 

My irritation is not that. In fact, your post reinforces what prompted me to write the first one.

 

So you say the Republicans are shameless hypocrites. So what? How does that justify you letting it slide when it was your turn? So what if it wasn't as bad? Unless you are going assert it wasn't at all how does that relieve you of your obligation to stand up and say something about it if tis wrong? If liberals really believe that Republicans should stand up because its the right thing to do? For Patriotism or Justice or whatever other high minded principle then they should have stood up for when it was happening before.

 

My point is I think those statements are garbage. That their actions have already demonstrated that they believe in none of those and the only motivator is pure partisan self-interest. If that's how it's going to be, then fine. Saying that they did it too or they started it or they are worse is to me, a concession, that they really don' believe in of the things they say we should be standing up for.

 

I'm saying do not expect me to stand up and light my hair on fair with liberals in service of ideals and principles they don't hold. 

 

 

 

 

[Shadow1275]

so it seems the reaction to what trump is doing is either

A. blame the fake news media

or

B. impeach trump

or

C. blame hillary

(or the real answer swear undying loyalty to the putin russia government)

i guess there is no free thought left for america it's all about whether you are republican or democrat lol again what a kittening retarded country

 

Or maybe it's the typical reaction of Leftist governments. Hitler and the Nazis had the same M.O., they liked their book burnings too.

 

I told you before this identity politics is bullcrap. Thinking that your party are the good guys while the other party are the bad guys/evil is utter stupidity.

 

Politicians make promises to ppl in exchange for power and power corrupts. The more you centralize it the faster it corrupts and the more ppl suffer.

 

Rome, China, Russia, England, Spain, etc. Take your pic. Empires always collapse, Republics do not.

[sushi.]

^What leftist governments are you talking about? Is the US leftist?

[Shadow1275]

^What leftist governments are you talking about? Is the US leftist?

We have a centrally planned economy, a welfare state system, a powerful military, and a government health care system, etc.

 

How are we not Leftist exactly?

 

Even the Republicans are not Republicans, they instituted Medicaid and Medicare.

 

As for your former question EVERY SOCIETY centralizes power BEFORE THEY FALL. Look at almost every country in the world today, especially the heavy hitters

 

They all have Central Banks, welfare state systems, government health care etc.

 

Look at past Societies as well

 

The NAZIS had a Central Bank, wage and price controls, government work programs, etc.

 

But you're asking the wrong question

 

Each of these policies is a form of COLLECTIVISM or Centralization, and that is what leads to Hitlers, Stalins, Pol Potts, Ho Chi Minhs, Johnsons, Kim Il Sungs, Tojos, Castros, Che Guevarras, Bushes, etc.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

No more Roger Ailes.

[totherpage95]

http://time.com/4788...dment-subpoena/

 

seems like michael flynn will plead the fifth amendment and refuse to give any financial records to the senate. If you're innocent why take the fifth amendment?

 

Edited by totherpage95, 22 May 2017 - 06:01 PM.

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

http://time.com/4788...dment-subpoena/

 

seems like michael flynn will plead the fifth amendment and refuse to give any financial records to the senate. If you're innocent why take the fifth amendment?

 

And apparently, after only three days abroad, Trump is already exhausted.

Whatever happened to all the bragging about having so much stamina that Hillary couldn't possibly have?

[totherpage95]

And apparently, after only three days abroad, Trump is already exhausted.

Whatever happened to all the bragging about having so much stamina that Hillary couldn't possibly have?

he also says that exercise is bad for you because humans actually have a finite amount of energy that is used up by exercising

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...cise/index.html

[totherpage95]

interesting interview on npr: http://www.npr.org/2...totalitarianism

[Konoha'sCrimsonFox]

Thanking you all to Trump supporters! Trump as officially ruined this country to the point that I would rather live in a apocalypse. Thank you every much.