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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:53 PM

 

If part II had never happened, I could have begrudingly accepted SS. The attempted murder ruined it...It makes me uneasy. Obito, while under Madara's influence, is basically responsible for Naruto's parents/Neji's deaths, yet he's a redeemed forgiven hero now. I'm not trying to be negative perse, just more objective. It'll be a lot less disappointing for me that way if things keep going south for us.

 

I really like the interpretation that the SS cover just means Sasuke was holding up Sakura last chapter, but...If it's supposed to be a comparison to last chapter, why isn't it Obito instead of Kakashi/Naruto on the other horses? And why it vaguely romantic, with the blushing and whatnot? Last chapter wasn't romantic.

Its pretty much Kishi having a trouble with keep being consistent with his manga , as for SS never considered it as an option even from the beginning P1 even then I considered as sick and disgusting  NS fan since chap 3 for me . As for the cover its just playing which is kitten as I said and it doesn't do us favor no other meaning except trolling the paring fandoms . 


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:54 PM

I just stumbled upon this thought.....today when Kaguya was firing that, whatever bones or rods, outta her hands Kakashi came in to protect Sasuke and was ready to sacrifice his life for him! Last time Sakura somewhat did the same thing along those lines. So....could....it....be that Sasuke will now acknowledge both of them?

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:56 PM

Hate it when i spend alot of time on a comment and people just ignore it

Wrong person...

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:56 PM

So finally you saw the light, Georgiana. You finally understood how Kishi writes Sakura. Understanding his method with her is easy.

Kishi always gives one amazing moment in the story, something that makes Naruto look like an complete moron. Example when Sasuke arrived, Naruto glued his lips to Sasuke arse, while Sakura remained skeptic about Sasuke. And I could go on and on.

 

But then for no reason all the development she gets is somehow lost for the next 4-5 moments. She becomes a damsel in distress or as most people call her useless. And when you stop and think about her previous moments you go "huh what the hell happened?" where did all that greatness vanish?

And I in turn say that you can apply this to every main character in this manga, not just Sakura. Kakashi was badass for a good long time and now he is near worthless. Naruto was badass for a long time and now apparently he can't do anything without Sasuke-kun. Sakura is being pulled back and forth between strongest female lead to bag of emotions. Sasuke is shown to be powerful one minute...and then reduced to emo jerk who can be taken out with a sword to the chest. A character who can survive a megaton explosion, but swords are his kryptonite.

And still...no one listens to me.
 


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:56 PM

I just stumbled upon this thought.....today when Kaguya was firing that, whatever bones or rods, outta her hands Kakashi came in to protect Sasuke and was ready to sacrifice his life for him! Last time Sakura did the same. So....could....it....be that Sasuke will now acknowledge both of them?


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:57 PM

Its pretty much Kishi having a trouble with keep being consistent with his manga , as for SS never considered it as an option even from the beginning P1 even then I considered as sick and disgusting  NS fan since chap 3 for me . As for the cover its just playing which is kitten as I said and it doesn't do us favor no other meaning except trolling the paring fandoms . 

 

I'll admit I wasn't a NaruSaku shipper until part II. I read over the manga recently and there were more positive SS moments then I had remembered. Pre-murderous soul-less Sasuke I could sort of see, how Sasuke is now? No way. I don't want to be biased-Sasuke at most cared about Sakura as a teammate-but that's it. There's never been any romantic love from his end, so it's feeling very forced.



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:58 PM

No

Uh huh! But......may I know why you think like that?

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 07:59 PM

And I in turn say that you can apply this to every main character in this manga, not just Sakura. Kakashi was badass for a good long time and now he is near worthless. Naruto was badass for a long time and now apparently he can't do anything without Sasuke-kun. Sakura is being pulled back and forth between strongest female lead to bag of emotions. Sasuke is shown to be powerful one minute...and then reduced to emo jerk who can be taken out with a sword to the chest. A character who can survive a megaton explosion, but swords are his kryptonite.

And still...no one listens to me.
 

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:00 PM

And I in turn say that you can apply this to every main character in this manga, not just Sakura. Kakashi was badass for a good long time and now he is near worthless. Naruto was badass for a long time and now apparently he can't do anything without Sasuke-kun. Sakura is being pulled back and forth between strongest female lead to bag of emotions. Sasuke is shown to be powerful one minute...and then reduced to emo jerk who can be taken out with a sword to the chest. A character who can survive a megaton explosion, but swords are his kryptonite.

And still...no one listens to me.

I could swap Kakashi's spotlight/relevance any time for Sakura.

Kakashi surely might been useless in some part but he's greatly important to the plot overall and to the hatred subplot.
His jutsus when he had combined with Naruto's powers like when he fought against Jinchuurikis and Obito.
Sakura's shining is about doing other business somewhere else not directly involving with the fight but helping the indirectly, like recently she helped to bring Sasuke back who's going to fight.
She's going to stand aside once again unless Kishimoto shows us how characters have unlimited chakra on this battle.

About being a emo who could taken down with a sword keep in might it was against overhyped Madara.

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:01 PM

It worked for BallxMei in 666 Satan

Again wondering what the difference is between this an 632

Sakura also blushed when Naruto used the male harem and admitted herself that she was a pervert. Theres a difference between finding someone attractive and being in love with someone. Look at Miroku from Inuyasha, Musica from Rave, Ginji/Ban from GetBackers every single one of this characters at
are perverts and had the hots for tge female lead but werent in love with them

Same thing with Sakura. The only thing we have to worry about is an open ending or a silver medal ending as long as Kishi scratches those both.out ill be happy however the timeskip to adulthood is what worries me

But remember we can't compare with other manga....or at least that's what I get told. -_-


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:01 PM

I don't understand this hope for Part 3. Some people in here are already impatient as hell when it comes to the ships. Evidenced by last nights utter meltdown over an AU cover of all things. Why the heck do you want this war with the other pairings and this doubt to continue to plague you guys for multiple years more? If there is a part 3 do you guys think the pairings would be wrapped up in part 2? Have we not learned by now?

 

I think the more clearer understanding is people want a part 3 but only if the pairings are resolved and it's Naruto/his child and perhaps Sakura(not in a Chi Chi role) or the next generation or whatever.

I don't think its a matter of hope as the announcement that this movie is a part of a new project by Kishimoto I posted this before so that is why people thing that it might be an epilogue of Naruto when it ends hopefully .

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Now there you go! Yes! I think everyone gets full well what we and the others wanted to say. We can stop now since 'cover pic' or the moment is really not our issue! Stay safe XD. Yeah! And....thanks anyways :D

Well I hope they do XD And yeah thanks also will do that XD


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:01 PM

 

 

 

 

My apologies to you too if English isn't your first language.

i explained to you more than once and you continue to play dumb and accuse for ridiculous things..good day



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:01 PM

My problem with this is is how selective we have become as a fanbase to what we deem is important and what isn't. We sit here and we look at all this stuff we deem as "proof," but too many times have I seen people look at something NS related  stuffand people tell them "Don't be delusional," "That means nothing," "You're looking too deep," "That doesn't represent the manga story," et cetera.

But bring in something NH or SS related and all of a sudden it apparently "proves" without a doubt that SS and NH become canon? It proves without a doubt about everything? You either accept all of it or you accept none of it. I rather accept none of it because I could easily manipulate the results any way I want to.

"Oh look, a manga cover with Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Ino on it. That means that NarutoIno/NaruSaku/SasuSaku/SasuIno/SasuNaru/SakuIno is canon."

What makes me even more frustrated is when people lie and say they don't do this and every week I see them do it all the time. I poke at the irony of Naruto and Sakura being on the cover of Shonen Jumps and the media seeing NaruSaku as the main focus only for people tell me I am being delusional. If we are going to accept this, then I say we accept everything ranging from the movies, to advertisements, to Kishi drawn posters, to everything Naruto related and more.

That's the most fair I can say otherwise being selective just proves paranoia.

I totally agree here, that's why I say we can't dismiss what's on the cover, no matter how we look at it. The matter here is depends how you look at it, ofc and that's when fanbases's own interpretation comes in, depending from which POV we're looking.
Take NH cover for example: no, it wasn't something romantic and it was a bonding moment. Ofc, NH fanbase likes to think it was oh, so romantiku, but we know it wasn't because of the actual content of the story within. Yes, Hinata might have fangirlied over Naruto's hands but the overall idea was a bonding moment of everyone over Neji's death. That's what was in the manga, that's what was depicted in the cover.
That's why I say we cannot just close eyes and pretend nothing happened with this cover either. I'm not stupid (just to be clear, I am not making any reference to anyone here!) to just deny what's in my front cause else it's gonna bite me in the ass later, so that's what I always try to do - look at it objectively. And that's what I am doing with the recent cover as well. As I said, it doesn't diminish the development throughout the manga, however, Sakura has been branded always as the love-struck girl when it comes to Sasuke. Then you apparently develop her out of that area to later do what? Offer an image that makes the reader go back exactly at that Sakura image.

 

People say I'm reading too much into it and yadda, yadda, I'm influencing and whatnot, but ask yourselves: was that blush really necessary? What purpose it serves? How can you explain it knowing the image Kishi had for Sakura for such a long time? 

 

People might blame me for going batsh*t crazy or whatever they think I'm doing but you can't really blame me after what he's doing and after he, purposely, himself admitted that he likes to write the manga in this way, in the Kizuna books interview. He, himself admitted liking to confuse the reader with his dialogues. And as I said, I'm fine with it and I would be fine with it as long as it doesn't go overboard, which Kishi kinda went lately.

And I'd say lots of more things but I am really gonna shut up and mind my own business because, oh well...reasons.


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:02 PM

 

 

 

Yeah, and also NOTHING HAPPEN IN THIS CHAPTER!!!! 

I would understand if it showed something important, or big, like implying Sasuke may be developing feelings for Sakura. But NOTHING HAPPEN, nothing pairing related happen. Even calling the colored cover page an SS moment is stretching it because we have no context of the image. It could mean anything, and if it does infer anything SS related, it doesn't matter because IT IS A FREAKING COVER PAGE!!!!

 

 

 

 

NOTHING FREAKING HAPPEN IN THIS CHAPTER, SO WHY IS EVERYONE IS OVERREACTING TO THIS!!!! 

Because nothing is everything. And everything is nothing. Therefore the color page is nothing meaning it's everything. Therefore SS canon. Canon I say.

 

Anyway enough fooling around. You are correct nothing really happened in this chapter. I really don't understand the big fuss about a stupid color page that doesn't mean ANYTHING. It's just a cool color page that happens to have Sasuke and Sakura on a horse meaning guess what nothing.


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:10 PM

 

I'll admit I wasn't a NaruSaku shipper until part II. I read over the manga recently and there were more positive SS moments then I had remembered. Pre-murderous soul-less Sasuke I could sort of see, how Sasuke is now? No way. I don't want to be biased-Sasuke at most cared about Sakura as a teammate-but that's it. There's never been any romantic love from his end, so it's feeling very forced.

The thing is every "positive" SS moment which were always in the context of teammate were immediately followed by a negative one and I don't consider love when someone treats you like kitten that's not love that's indifference which is what Sasuke always has for Sakura and to be considered as love is just disgusting  you don't treat the people you love like that by any standards . And everything involving Sasuke is forced the manga suffers only bc of his character I can't even imagine how much more beautiful this story would have been if he didn't existed , every character that's connected to him suffers immensely especially Naruto and Sakura  he's like the cancer of this manga he's definitely Kishimoto's biggest mistake that's for sure .


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:14 PM

The thing is every "positive" SS moment which were always in the context of teammate were immediately followed by a negative one and I don't consider love when someone treats you like kitten that's not love that's indifference which is what Sasuke always has for Sakura and to be considered as love is just disgusting  you don't treat the people you love like that by any standards . And everything involving Sasuke is forced the manga suffers only bc of his character I can't even imagine how much more beautiful this story would have been if he didn't existed , every character that's connected to him suffers immensely especially Naruto and Sakura  he's like the cancer of this manga he's definitely Kishimoto's biggest mistake that's for sure .

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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:16 PM

I could swap Kakashi's spotlight/relevance any time for Sakura.

Kakashi surely might been useless in some part but he's greatly important to the plot overall and to the hatred subplot.
His jutsus when he had combined with Naruto's powers like when he fought against Obito.
Sakura's shining is about doing other business somewhere else not directly involving with the fight but helping the indirectly, like recently she helped to bring Sasuke back who's going to fight.
She's going to stand aside once again unless Kishimoto shows us how characters have unlimited chakra on this battle.

I could remove Sasuke entirely and none of the bullcrap would exist at all and everyone gets a fair share in the spotlight with no reductions in importance and relevance what so ever. Occam's Razor: "The simplest explanation is always the best" Simple solution? Get rid of Sasuke and no more drama will ensue and no one will be fighting for spotlight anymore.

Sasuke is pointless, useless, and is used as nothing more than a cheap drama device. His existence is moot and we are forced to believe he is more important than he actually is through convoluted plot armor and plot forced elements. He is not a rival because he has never been shown or even trying to compete with Naruto in anything except for maybe conflicts of interest that make no sense and have no real reason why he is even doing anything in the first place. He lost all his relevance since part 1 and everything that was actually established was thrown out the window.

Take away Sasuke and you reduce all pairing drama by a third. You reduced wasted panel time and development focusing on a useless character only meant to be the main character's obstacle and give it to characters who really are better written out and allow other characters to actually grow instead of a constant eb and flow or walking a narrow path. You remove the god awful subplot of "reincarnated brothers" and the stupid "great friends" plot point that has so many holes in the bucket, it can't even hold water long enough for me the throw it on the garden that is the Naruto manga. You can reduce the character list  with the ones who actually only exist because of Sasuke and his relevance and thus reduce the count of useless characters significantly.

I am pretty sure that a good 90% of you would be happy if Sasuke never existed at all and the only drama would be is whether or not Naruto loves Sakura or Hinata making for a true love triangle.
 

Wow you really hate sasuke

Ooooooh no. There is nobody on this forum or in this entire fandom who hates Sasuke more than me. I lay claim to be the biggest Sasuke hater in the entire existence of this manga.

How massive is my hatred? I rather read Twilight for the rest of my life than read one page of Sasuke's story.


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:16 PM

Wow you really hate sasuke

You have no Idea  :glare: Probably even more then @James and I have my reasons for that hate  -_-


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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:17 PM

I would just say whatever kishi does, while we shouldn't always get our hopes up, you shouldn't be putting all hope down either.

 

I mean again, long as that development is still around, even if there is a cover page with sakura not exactly with naruto that isnt fullright hinting everything we dread.

 

I mean its just well some people may be looking too deep or getting too overreactive to this stuff. I mean today just to me felt like a defusing tension chapter for the perspective of our fandom anyways, nothing left to worry about for now, things are still in our favor, nothing to make an issue out of, I mean Hinata is gone for who knows how long and Sasuke is still his arrogant kitten self, that whole moment last chapter, it was just a neutral moment if you ask me.

 

If you ask me, even as far as anything else may seem like Sakuras events don't get carried as much as they should she may still be clinging on Sasuke, I still say its not exactly hinting SS in the right way now is it? Its still just a fact if Kishi is intent on NH and SS he seriously did a terrible job at it and its just not good if this is how he chose to present it. When you look at it like that and still think perhaps this NS stuff isn't going to come in the end, its just going to be SS and NH weak and conveniently, I just look to say, this doesn't exactly add up now does it? Despite the presentation, its such a paradox when you see blatent hints and development for NS but not much for NH mainly due to infrequentness and SS just being well, a mess, its to me at this point, well just look at the past, it just doesn't make much sense for kishi, even in his limits to just shove everything NS based to the side and just on the other hand just throw NH and SS together like in 5 chapters. Its a dual negative impact by just up heaving so much development, not bringing it into the full form and the other is just using something else so underwhelming and made otherwise for the sake of some plot event that was not even presented in the right way, thats the type of deal many seem to imagine now.

 

I know kishi has given us reason to question his writing a lot, but even this isn't likely to go down because this is literally what it would be if he really did go this path. I know he left us some logic questions but even he isn't this bad, I mean even though it seems like Sakura is not as active with naruto as she should be to some people well theres no rush to things now is there, I mean we still otherwise have a good idea of what can come ahead just due to the 631 and 663 events, not like anything major exactly happened for the other 2 to this date now did they? No.

 

NS is still fine but everyone has their deals for remaining skeptical. I just feel that though some question kishis writing and its been bad at some points, its not that bad to the point its even worse now, I mean he averted a SS event, doesn't that maybe count for something? Its not trolling, its just his intent. If he knows not to give Sasuke anything love related suddenly then well, he just stuck on his own track and kept Sasuke in character, we could say the same for 615 with naruto not going all up into hinatas arms, looking at it like this, you see it makes sense and remember he has this stuff planned out weeks ahead, its only sudden to us, he knows what will happen 10 weeks from now. Its just fandoms feeling uneasy, thats all it is.

 

But if you ask me, its again, its fine, nothing changed the NS events of the past or the development, nothing has occurred for NH and SS that made them overtake it, even as kishis writing has gone recently, its still like this, nothing happened from the event last week and its not going to come back. Kishi isn't the best writer but he certainly isnt the worst either and some people act like he purposely does this, but he isn't messing or causing purposely chaos on the pairings, he is just writing as he sees fit and out of all the stuff that has happened so far, going years back, isn''t it odd that NS still remains in the lead and the most likely too occur?

 

Yeah I think that makes sense when you see it like that because if he was intent on NH and SS, they wouldnt be shown or intended this poorly while NS got the most development and even hints (parallelism even) to be given notion of a possiblity then just suddenly not occuring.

 

I don't believe this will happen, I believe Kishi is more or less hinting NS and its very likely he will bring it but also that his writing isnt at the point where the story just buckles in on itself from deals to characters or plot events. NS is fine and still in the lead, NH remains behind, SS is still negative, one event doesn't erase everything and this past chapter last week certainly didn't make any difference or address anything as SS fans wished. Some people feel uneasy or just go to kishi being a failure and untrustworthy. I just say, its not as bad as they think especially when we still have a clear lead. We are fine and nothing has since changed that stuff since 663 nor the other small moments. I mean didn't obito last chapter say to sakura that she does what she did because she wanted to help naruto? I find it funny how this not being a NS moment still had more powerful context in relation to 655 from what kakashi told obito and how obito did this to sakura. This oddly enough had more context due to being based off that past 655 event while everyone else paid attention to the SS event which amounted to nothing.

 

So yeah, NS is fine, some people in our fandom just too worried, I say we are good as ever even as these other recent chapters this summer occurred, yeah stuff is still good for us. Kishi's writing is not the best and it is flawed in some deals but the fact there are still plenty of development to go and hints for NS, I think that's proof enough that NS is the most likely to occur and otherwise he is possibly intending for it to happen.



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Posted 23 July 2014 - 08:17 PM

It makes me sad seeing Naruto grow up tbh. As much as I want a part 3, i doubt it will happen. There is a lot of things that needs to be clarified and I don't want him to rush the story..

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