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[ramenanmitsu]

Ok, so I promised I will come back with an explanation.
Let me begin...

Here is the sign of Tsunade's injuries being healed via Sozo Saisei

 

And this is Sakura healing via remote healing technique.

 

 

You can see that both Tsunade and Sai have the same cuts through their skin, meaning, as Sakura said back in the previous chapter, grave injuries.

However, as we've seen, Tsunade heals this via Sozo Saisei while Sakura did it with just normal healing.

And we see that smokey thing indicating healing, which only appeared before when Tsunade used Sozo Saisei. When Sakura healed, it showed just the normal green aura and that's it, however, this time, Kishi showed us a 'deeper' level, so to speak.

I wondered why did it show that panel with the wound closing but now I got it!

And not even in Pein Arc, when Tsunade did the same thing, it showed this level of details in terms of healing. It just showed the Slugs being attached to the citizens, however, the healing was portrayed normally, but not with this detail of closing the wounds and this smoke-like thing coming out.

This was only presented when Tsunade used Sozo Saisei as I said.

Maan, I am wondering... If Sakura can heal already at this level WITHOUT even the seal being released...What happens when she releases it?! O_o

Kishi u sly dog! Putting so small details that one could get past if not for really maximum attention payed to the details.

Hm? I find it a bit stupid of Sakura if she used Sozo Saisei to heal small wounds such as the one on Sai's cheek. Why would she use a life-shortening healing jutsu when nobody is seriously injured yet? It's like she's wasting chakra. And I think Shizune commented on her activating her jutsu. (六道仙人, do you have a raw script to this part?)

[Atheck]

Honestly I'm still hesitant to say that Sakura's seal is not that different from Tsunade's seal because we still have so little information on it, besides Shizune's and Katsuyu's comments.

 

That's equally applicable to the notion that they have varying characteristics in the first place. I suppose that this particular segment of the discussion has come to an impasse for the time being.

 

Sakura's seal is already activated. Are people comparing the name of Sakura's Byakugou Seal to Tsunade's Yin Seal? There is no few varying characters - they are very different names.

 

Well to be fair the initial impressions offered by the Romaji do give that implication and the fact that there does not appear to be any notable differences between the two seals' effects right now isn't exactly the most compelling reasoning to claim that they are uniquely dissimilar. In fact the term "jutsu"  was only applied to Tsunade's ability as the markings were appearing on her body. Sakura has yet to release her seal which could potentially account for the discrepant characters in their respective names.

 

Oh, but since you're much more familiar with the language this manga was originally created in than many of the users on the forum you are able to infer specific details that would otherwise become lost during the translation. Still, if there are absolutely no varying qualities presented to differentiate Sakura's seal from Tsunade's in the upcoming chapters then what benefit or purpose was there in individualizing their names? This question is directed more towards Kishi than anyone.

 

Still I agree with you and that we really don't know what the difference is.  A similarity in both Tsunade's and Sakura's seal is that they both store chakra. We know this because Sakura said herself that she was nearly finished storing (implication of chakra).

 

That and their applications are primarily support based in nature. They heal the wounds of and revitalize the user or the intended person whom they allocate their chakra to. We will see what the differences are, if any, but I am beginning to think that there could potentially be no differences at all.

 

Sakura's magnified strength is due to her not having to hold back anymore because she has finished creating her seal and because she doesn't have to use any chakra to keep a youthful appearance.

 

 

Thank you for the clarification on what your thoughts were relating to the origins of her strength.

 

 

The chakra Sakura is using right now is from her base chakra. She has not yet released any of the chakra she as stored.

 

 

Shizune made a remark signalising the Byakugou's "activation" (formation of the seal presumably) as Sakura began to remotely heal the wounds of the alliance. If the chakra used to summon Katsuyu, a boss summoning, and then heal this enormous assemblage of shinobi is from her own reserves then why would Shizune bring up an unrelated seal that is not being used? For that matter since when did Sakura acquire the reserves of chakra necessary to summon Katsuyu and use a mass restoration technique which consumed her master's reserves (their seal's chakra included)? Precise chakra control or not all of these expenditures should at least begin to tire her out somewhat but have we even seen Sakura perspire since the seal appeared?

 

Then there is the matter of how she was capable of resupplying Naruto's enormous chakra reserves by herself without any outside assistance. Chakra control shouldn't even have any relation to that because she's transferring her supplies to Naruto, not moulding it into a jutsu or using it to magnify her strength in combat. In some ways this is even more extraordinary than Kakashi's recent upsurges of Kamui and Raikiri usage despite both of those techniques draining him to the point of exhaustion and death only two arcs previously.

 

 

Tsunade releases the yin seal in order to use Sozo Saisei and Byakugou no jutsu which require a large amount of chakra. Therefore I'm guessing that Sakura will also be able to use those as well, which leads to there not really being any difference in their respective seals.

 

 

Is this an admittance that there will be few, if any, distinguishable features between Sakura and Tsunade's seals? That would be sad to see because it effectively makes Sakura almost an exact replica of Tsunade with regards to her abilities. Personally, I would like to see some variations in the benefits provided that individualises Sakura to some degree like her teammates did with their Sannin predecessors.

 

Enhanced speed, heightened sensory perception, or the ability to gather sage chakra and enter SM through the seal's release. Any of those would be acceptable differences to have Sakura distinguish herself. Just give her something that is uniquely her own.

 

Then I have to ask - why are they called different names if they are not that different at all? I think in the future we will be able to spot the difference.

 

 

Hopefully that will happen but if it doesn't then there will need to be an explanation detailing how and why the names are different but the characteristics are the same.

Edited by Atheck, 14 June 2013 - 01:25 AM.

[六道仙人]

Yeah
 

 

シズネ　（さっき白豪の印を発動したばかりなのに…カツユ様の遠隔治癒までこなすなんて…　サクラ…あんたって娘は…ホントにもう…！）

 

 

Shizune was just prasing her for being able to use the katsuyu's remote skilling despite she has just actived her byakugou.... Or at last I undestand in this way... Anyway, I  don't think that there're some misunderstanding here...

[Tokura Misaki]

Quick remider: Sakuras slug is KATSUYU TSunades is KATSUYA. They're both completely different summonings, also sasukes and narutos.

Please oh god, dont let sasuke be up to no good! :(

 

Bolded: It's not Katsuya, it's also Katsuyu. I've never heard the name Katsuya before. Therefore, Sakura's slug is the same slug.

 

But I know she has her own slug to show on the future chapters.

Edited by sakutonaru, 14 June 2013 - 12:29 AM.

[Gravenimage]

 

Heck ive been saying this since the chapter when the seal finished forming.

 

She still has not released the seal, shes just cutting loose with her chakra right now.

 

evidence to date seems to point to this exact outcome.

 

when she releases the seal Oh loooordy

 

 

Best of all the haters will feel more butt hurt.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Anyone wants a neo sannin fight in this? Shoot, I'll trade off with potential Naruto vs Obito for Naruto/Sakura vs Sasuke. Maybe Kakashi is doing fine and Madara got Hashirama. It's all good.

[Atheck]

Yeah
 

 

Shizune was just prasing her for being able to use the katsuyu's remote skilling despite she has just actived her byakugou.... Or at last I undestand in this way... Anyway, I  don't think that there're some misunderstanding here...

 

But what relevance does Byakugou have to Sakura implementing her own chakra into the jutsu? Why refer to it at all? Does it act as some unspecified inhibition to the user being able to properly use their techniques like the Five Element Seal disrupted Naruto's chakra when it was temporarily placed on him? Or was Shizune simply listing out Sakura's accomplishments for the day?

 

From what can be deduced there seems to an implication here that Sakura's natural reserves have become so enormous that they are now capable of restoring a jinchuuriki's chakra, summoning a boss sized creature, and then restoring several hundred/thousand shinobi to full strength without so much as a bead of sweat given to suggest that she is being strained. Even if her chakra control was so precise that she was able to minimize the cost of using jutsu to just a fraction of what it would normally take using three very powerful techniques consecutively should at least cause her some stress. Hell, quantitatively resupplying Naruto's chakra alone should have exhausted Sakura but perhaps she's receiving the same treatment that Kakashi had during his battle with Tobi over 30 chapters ago. Or maybe she's taking Hyorogan? That could help to explain this abrupt increase in her chakra amounts if she is not using the Byakugou seal.

Edited by Atheck, 14 June 2013 - 01:24 AM.

[catsi563]

I think her chakra control being so perfect is precisely WHY she can do what shes doing.

 

She is the prime example of Maximum effect for minimum effort. AndNo she does not have nor need enormous chakra reserves.

in point of fact I believe that a lot of people drastically underestimate her natural reserves as it is. She was never weak in that regard she just never had any special jutsu to use it on.

 

Sakura I would actualy postulate had at the beginning what I would call average chakra reserves possibly slightly below average reserves for a ninja of her age and ranking. those reserves expanded normally to chunin levels and are now I would say Normal Jonin levels.

 

But because of her Near perfect control she is able to use jutsu and skills that would leave most shinobi doing the same exhausted.

 

Not to mention that she did not restore Narutos Chakra she simply healed him back to full health.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Now that you mention about only recovering Naruto's health, I can see Naruto/Sakura vs Sasuke not being unbalanced. I mean it happened to Jiraiya in order to make it balanced for Orochimaru. I know, a wishful thinking, but maybe we can get lucky.

[Atheck]

I think her chakra control being so perfect is precisely WHY she can do what shes doing.
 
She is the prime example of Maximum effect for minimum effort. AndNo she does not have nor need enormous chakra reserves.

 
Consolidation of one's chakra will only offer so much. Though quality is very important quantity also has a place and for Sakura to conjure up a humongous slug summoning, without prior foreshadowing that she was adept at summoning, and then allocate her chakra to a population of soldiers numbering in the hundreds to thousands that has been ravaged by constant battle for over thirty chapters now is just unrealistic for someone of Sakura's level. How does one go from being almost completely enervated after using their chakra to enhance their strength and heal themselves or others a few times during battle just one year ago to being able to carry out what Sakura is doing currently without even a hint that they're feeling the detrimental effects of their abilities? Tsunade who possesses much greater amounts of chakra was perspiring heavily as she distributed her chakra to the population of Konoha and her chakra control capabilities should be on par with Sakura's if her Yin Seal is any indication.
 

in point of fact I believe that a lot of people drastically underestimate her natural reserves as it is. She was never weak in that regard she just never had any special jutsu to use it on.

 
Sakura's stamina was ranked as a 2.5 in the 3rd Databook which intimates a fairly average supply of chakra. The information from that encompasses much of P2 up until the conclusion of the Uchiha siblings' fight. By that time she may already be 16 which closes the window of time by quite a bit for possible growth of her natural reserves.
 

Sakura I would actualy postulate had at the beginning what I would call average chakra reserves possibly slightly below average reserves for a ninja of her age and ranking. those reserves expanded normally to chunin levels and are now I would say Normal Jonin levels. But because of her Near perfect control she is able to use jutsu and skills that would leave most shinobi doing the same exhausted.

 
This is where suspension of disbelief comes into play. Even as Sakura's chakra reserves gradually increase as she becomes older it becomes quite the farfetched allegation to say that she is capable of doing everything that she has right now with little to no strain being suggested. There isn't even a tensing of her eyebrows or a bead of sweat to indicate stress. I would assume that healing several hundred/thousand people simultaneously would have an effect on her but apparently her chakra control is either so advanced that it becomes an inconsequential endeavour for her (even though her teacher who should logically possess a comparatively advanced level of chakra control was forced to sacrifice not only her own exorbitant chakra amounts but the contents of her seal as well to perform a similar feat which left her decrepit and bedridden for some time), she is taking several Hyorogan off-screen to compensate for the enormous loss in chakra, or Sakura has received a massive stamina increase that makes her supply tantamount to the Senju and Uzumaki clans' naturally large reserves.
 

Not to mention that she did not restore Narutos Chakra she simply healed him back to full health.

 

You mean the few visible injuries that he had which apparently took two chapters to restore after he used his final reserves of bijuu chakra to protect everyone which has been illustrated to come at the price of the bijuu consuming the jinchuuriki's natural reserves? Even if Kurama was not taking any of Naruto's chakra as compensation he should still fairly exhausted as he has been battling nonstop for quite a while now. But perhaps you're right, maybe she did only heal physical injuries... After battling and healing nonstop as well for several days just like everyone else in this fight. I swear they all must be drugged up on Hyorogan.

 

Edit: Hmm... Rereading over the chapter it does seem like Naruto's arm was badly injured. How severe his injuries were it was never specified but it did require some time before he was able to fight once again.

Edited by Atheck, 14 June 2013 - 03:07 AM.

[FrenchMyToast]

Now that you mention about only recovering Naruto's health, I can see Naruto/Sakura vs Sasuke not being unbalanced. I mean it happened to Jiraiya in order to make it balanced for Orochimaru. I know, a wishful thinking, but maybe we can get lucky.

 

But both Jiraiya and Orochimaru were crippled in that fight. Sasuke appears to be perfectly fine. If Sakura can release her seal, maybe she can match Sasuke's level with his EMS. It's unlikely, but it would be a great opportunity for some development for Sakura. She's obviously on high alert right now, while Naruto is oblivious to Sasuke's intentions. 

 

I was thinking. How would you feel if we had a situation similar to Naruto vs Gaara? Except this time, Sakura is trying to protect/save Naruto from Sasuke, who is in the role of a crazed Gaara. That would be amazing, but a little too "fan-ficy." Too many things would have to happen for an event like that to occur. I doubt the Hokage would sit by while the unofficial leader of the Alliance is getting wrecked. A guy can dream though, right? 

[TouKen4Life3g]

 
But both Jiraiya and Orochimaru were crippled in that fight. Sasuke appears to be perfectly fine. If Sakura can release her seal, maybe she can match Sasuke's level with his EMS. It's unlikely, but it would be a great opportunity for some development for Sakura. She's obviously on high alert right now, while Naruto is oblivious to Sasuke's intentions. 
 
I was thinking. How would you feel if we had a situation similar to Naruto vs Gaara? Except this time, Sakura is trying to protect/save Naruto from Sasuke, who is in the role of a crazed Gaara. That would be amazing, but a little too "fan-ficy." Too many things would have to happen for an event like that to occur. I doubt the Hokage would sit by while the unofficial leader of the Alliance is getting wrecked. A guy can dream though, right? 

Well, Orochimaru did have Kabuto to do him some help, so in the end, it was balance. Well, more or less, but Naruto/Sakura at full will be overkill, especially Naruto, which luckily, he's still recovering chakra to go all out.

Hm, that would be interesting to watch. You know, Sasuke being against by Naruto/Sakura could be a good balance because maybe Juubi (what's left of it) could be dealing with the alliance, Kakashi vs. Obito, Madara vs. Hashirama, and of course, Naruto/Sakura vs Sasuke. We don't know how long Orochimaru will enter the battlefield, so that can be a twist, especially since he's not with Minato to teleport quickly. Interesting. Also, wonder why Sasuke came late. Hmm...

I can't predict what's next but it's going to be a breaking point. Maybe Orochimaru will kill Tsunade. Maybe he will spare her life and that would be it. Maybe he will spare her life but under one condition. Maybe Orochimaru could get himself in trouble if kages are up. I don't know where it can go.

[catsi563]

 
Consolidation of one's chakra will only offer so much. Though quality is very important quantity also has a place and for Sakura to conjure up a humongous slug summoning, without prior foreshadowing that she was adept at summoning, and then allocate her chakra to a population of soldiers numbering in the hundreds to thousands that has been ravaged by constant battle for over thirty chapters now is just unrealistic for someone of Sakura's level. How does one go from being almost completely enervated after using their chakra to enhance their strength and heal themselves or others a few times during battle just one year ago to being able to carry out what Sakura is doing currently without even a hint that they're feeling the detrimental effects of their abilities? Tsunade who possesses much greater amounts of chakra was perspiring heavily as she distributed her chakra to the population of Konoha and her chakra control capabilities should be on par with Sakura's if her Yin Seal is any indication.
 

 
Sakura's stamina was ranked as a 2.5 in the 3rd Databook which intimates a fairly average supply of chakra. The information from that encompasses much of P2 up until the conclusion of the Uchiha siblings' fight. By that time she may already be 16 which closes the window of time by quite a bit for possible growth of her natural reserves.
 

 
This is where suspension of disbelief comes into play. Even as Sakura's chakra reserves gradually increase as she becomes older it becomes quite the farfetched allegation to say that she is capable of doing everything that she has right now with little to no strain being suggested. There isn't even a tensing of her eyebrows or a bead of sweat to indicate stress. I would assume that healing several hundred/thousand people simultaneously would have an effect on her but apparently her chakra control is either so advanced that it becomes an inconsequential endeavour for her (even though her teacher who should logically possess a comparatively advanced level of chakra control was forced to sacrifice not only her own exorbitant chakra amounts but the contents of her seal as well to perform a similar feat which left her decrepit and bedridden for some time), she is taking several Hyorogan off-screen to compensate for the enormous loss in chakra, or Sakura has received a massive stamina increase that makes her supply tantamount to the Senju and Uzumaki clans' naturally large reserves.
 

 

You mean the few visible injuries that he had which apparently took two chapters to restore after he used his final reserves of bijuu chakra to protect everyone which has been illustrated to come at the price of the bijuu consuming the jinchuuriki's natural reserves? Even if Kurama was not taking any of Naruto's chakra as compensation he should still fairly exhausted as he has been battling nonstop for quite a while now. But perhaps you're right, maybe she did only heal physical injuries... After battling and healing nonstop as well for several days just like everyone else in this fight. I swear they all must be drugged up on Hyorogan.

 

Edit: Hmm... Rereading over the chapter it does seem like Naruto's arm was badly injured. How severe his injuries were it was never specified but it did require some time before he was able to fight once again.

 

 

Chattes post here http://www.narusaku....=12986&p=476274 actualy confirms for em via manga evidence that what ive posed is most likely the truth.

[Chatte]

Her way of dealing with chakra reminds me of the recycling, lol. Dunno exactly how to explain it... it's just that, she uses the exact amount and given the fact she hasn't lost any chakra, it permits her to build her stamina back again, hence, implying her chakra is actually never wasted. Dunno exactly how to explain it.

[六道仙人]

Ok, raw is out! Anyone needs a clarification about something regarding the translation?

[Dkey]

Her way of dealing with chakra reminds me of the recycling, lol. Dunno exactly how to explain it... it's just that, she uses the exact amount and given the fact she hasn't lost any chakra, it permits her to build her stamina back again, hence, implying her chakra is actually never wasted. Dunno exactly how to explain it.

What you are suggesting is that sakura is a perpetuum mobile engine meaning her power ratio is 1. but her limit is her stamina level.

[Chatte]

What you are suggesting is that sakura is a perpetuum mobile engine meaning her power ratio is 1. but her limit is her stamina level.

You could say something like that...I guess... It's really hard to explain, haven;t had a proper sleep and my thoughts are just wooosh in my head...

I'll try to come with a better explanation. However in the thread with Sakura's power ups I showed a mangapage dealing with Sakura's usage of chakra.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Ok, raw is out! Anyone needs a clarification about something regarding the translation?

Sasuke's "Burn..."

[六道仙人]

Sasuke's "Burn..."

 

Simply "Burn out."

[Atheck]

 

 

Chattes post here http://www.narusaku....=12986&p=476274 actualy confirms for em via manga evidence that what ive posed is most likely the truth.

 

How does that address Sakura's apparent inability to experience stress from utilizing two extremely cost heavy jutsu consecutively despite only a year ago being pushed to her limits by a few chakra enhanced attacks and healing? Where did this concept of "recycling" stamina even come from? Is it referring to clone usage alone because of the forced allocation of chakra that is eventually returned to the user?

 

Tsunade, being a medical ninja and the only other living being capable of condensing their chakra into their forehead to create a seal, should logically have comparable chakra precision but was she able to use the remote healing technique without any visual strain? Can she carry out what Sakura is doing presently?

Edited by Atheck, 14 June 2013 - 01:03 PM.