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[KnS]

That's a good point. I think one reason we have is that if she wasn't emotionally stable, then why is that itself inconsistent? She didn't seem very content with Sasuke when she was dying, after he betrayed her and nearly killed her. What happened there registered to her.

I agree it registered with her. I'm not saying Karin isn't capable of understanding that someone dismissing her, using her, and trying to kill her is not in her best interests. She clearly did. However, I think it's also clear that her response -- how she would rationalize those events and ultimately react to them -- would not be "normal."

It seems to me that if Karin were capable of choosing what's best for her, she would never have been in that situation -- in a position for Sasuke to mistreat her in the first place.

IDK. I understand why you guys want better for her. If she were a girl I knew in real life I wouldn't stop until I got her away from a guy like Sasuke and into counseling for her self-destructive behavior. But she's a fictional character, and one who has (IMO) been consistently shown as very screwed up. Expecting her to suddenly wake up and choose better might be tempting, but not realistic given what we know.

That said well I kind of got what I wished for, but she took out on the wrong person. Lastly, it happened quick. Again, I just find her to be a fun character. I am aware of her characteristics. I think she can be stable, but only when it's needed (last arc). Granted this part could have been it, but it seems like Kishi needs to get out right away. So it's always a guessing game with her, which I think it's fun to see what's next. So yeah, that's my opinion.

Would you mind elaborating on the bolded?

[TouKen4Life3g]

28 pages...

How the meltdown going guys? Have people finally stopped freaking out?

Well, there's a good amount of them already come to conclusion to wait and see. So, it's a step up from 615 incident.

[Shadow1275]

Well, there's a good amount of them already come to conclusion to wait and see. So, it's a step up from 615 incident.

That theory about the Yang chakra present seems like the most likely one, though in RTN Naruto used the flying thunder god Jutsu, I wonder if that is the gift. I also think that he might give Naruto his Hokage cloak. Flying thunder god jutsu would be awesome though

[Don-kun]

Hey Crimson Slextem defended you a lot yesterday and many here start looking at you a different way, don't make that go to a waste, cut down on the baiting and remember not everyone here cares about Hinata or like talking about her you should acknowledge that by now.

It might sound hard but must of us don't look on her the same way you do and you will not change that.
Good luck.

[rikakim94]

Hey Crimson Slextem defended you a lot yesterday and many here start looking at you a different way, don't make that go to a waste, cut down on the baiting and remember not everyone here cares about Hinata or like talking about her you should acknowledge that by now.

It might sound hard but must of us don't look on her the same way you do and you will not change that.
Good luck.

don-kun to be honest he already got a warning message from one of mods in this thread. I'm starting to think he's crossed his line at this point.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Would you mind elaborating on the bolded?

Well, in the last arc, she wasn't really comical throughout the whole moment, so I can see her being normal when the moment asked for it. It's like a different take on tsundere, where she can be loud and crazy, but when the serious part happens, well she can be normal and serious. The last arc shows it as well as Killer Bee fight. That's how I see it. No need to agree.

That theory about the Yang chakra present seems like the most likely one, though in RTN Naruto used the flying thunder god Jutsu, I wonder if that is the gift. I also think that he might give Naruto his Hokage cloak. Flying thunder god jutsu would be awesome though

That would be awesome.

[Shadow1275]

I don't think Naruto really needs FTG, given that his speed in KCM for all intents and purposes works just as effectively.

Something I'm bit confused about is what the exact method by which Minato could transfer the Yang chakra sealed within his body over to Naruto. Is it as simple as releasing the seal?

Thats a good point, though if you release the seal and it is chakra, I guess he could transfer the chakra over to Naruto like Naruto is transfering chakra over to the whole Alliance. Thats probably the most likely method.

Edited by Shadow1275, 11 April 2013 - 04:32 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

don-kun to be honest he already got a warning message from one of mods in this thread. I'm starting to think he's crossed his line at this point.

Wha...how...when....why...?

Where did he cross the line?

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 11 April 2013 - 04:40 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

I agree it registered with her. I'm not saying Karin isn't capable of understanding that someone dismissing her, using her, and trying to kill her is not in her best interests. She clearly did. However, I think it's also clear that her response -- how she would rationalize those events and ultimately react to them -- would not be "normal."

It seems to me that if Karin were capable of choosing what's best for her, she would never have been in that situation -- in a position for Sasuke to mistreat her in the first place.

IDK. I understand why you guys want better for her. If she were a girl I knew in real life I wouldn't stop until I got her away from a guy like Sasuke and into counseling for her self-destructive behavior. But she's a fictional character, and one who has (IMO) been consistently shown as very screwed up. Expecting her to suddenly wake up and choose better might be tempting, but not realistic given what we know.

Okay, to be truthful, Sasuke was NOT as evil up to that point. Yeah he wanted revenge on Itachi and such, but we all agree that these were justified. It was only after he used Karin that he turned into this heartless monster in our eyes. Before he came to Orochimaru's, Karin never knew of Sasuke's life before that. So it is understandable that any past mistakes or anything she never knew about. So meeting him for the first time was a clean slate.

Plus we had the chapter where she saw the darkness and corrupted in him and she felt disgusted by it. Are we to assume that she noticed this and thought nothing of it? That is a huge reaction to overlook even for her. You say it is unrealistic, but I have seen many women leave guys who abuse them and try killing them. So it is not unrealistic to assume she would do the same. I don't blame Karin's character, I blame Kishi for this one. He basically took that psychopathic chapter and made it seem like it never happened at all. If Karin didn't bring it up, might as well say it was not canon. This becomes an issue.

It's like Yumi in Ruroni Kenshin, but much worse. Shishio loved her and she was happy to be used by him. At least this made more sense. Karin was really unstable why didn't she feel the same way: "I am happy I became a use for Sasuke."

So really I like Karin, but I hate what Kishi does with her. I hate what he does with almost all his female characters as some have said.

I don't think Naruto really needs FTG, given that his speed in KCM for all intents and purposes works just as effectively.

I still want him to have his father's technique. His KCM is fast, but FTG is MUUUUUCH faster.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 11 April 2013 - 04:43 AM.

[Shadow1275]

There is one question though. When Naruto and Sasuke fought, Naruto said that Sasuke would attack the village and that would be the reason that Naruto would have to fight him. Now that Sasuke said he will protect the village, Why the hell would Naruto ever fight Sasuke?

[narusakuluv]

I agree it registered with her. I'm not saying Karin isn't capable of understanding that someone dismissing her, using her, and trying to kill her is not in her best interests. She clearly did. However, I think it's also clear that her response -- how she would rationalize those events and ultimately react to them -- would not be "normal."

It seems to me that if Karin were capable of choosing what's best for her, she would never have been in that situation -- in a position for Sasuke to mistreat her in the first place.

IDK. I understand why you guys want better for her. If she were a girl I knew in real life I wouldn't stop until I got her away from a guy like Sasuke and into counseling for her self-destructive behavior. But she's a fictional character, and one who has (IMO) been consistently shown as very screwed up. Expecting her to suddenly wake up and choose better might be tempting, but not realistic given what we know.

And then there's the possibility that Karin may have something up her sleeve as well, like when she tricked the prison guards. She's resourceful, strong and clever, which is why so many people are disappointed. I'm hoping there will be more to her story.

Honestly, I've just grown weary of the way female characters have been treated recently. Tsunade was dismissed casually by Madara and while she did have a comeback, it is not what I would have expected from the strongest kunoichi of Konoha. Known was awesome until she got pwned by Obito. Sakura has been sidelined, Tenten has been completely ignored, Inl's development wasn't nearly as strong as Choji and Shikamaru's, and now this. If you notice, most of the heroes in the battles have been male. I get that it is a manga for boys, but Kishimoto used to be much better about this. The only attempt he's made to show women being strong was Hinata in 615-616 by suddenly turning her into a Mary-Sueish character, and even that was using Naruto's chakra.

This Karin thing is just the last in a line of many somewhat sexist occurrences in the manga recently.

[TouKen4Life3g]

There is one question though. When Naruto and Sasuke fought, Naruto said that Sasuke would attack the village and that would be the reason that Naruto would have to fight him. Now that Sasuke said he will protect the village, Why the hell would Naruto ever fight Sasuke?

First, he vaguely said that the village shall be protected, though anything can change along the way or even after the battle. I think for now, it's best to see in a neutral/good Sasuke due to circumstances. He chose his words carefully, so we don't know truly yet. For now, they will stop Madara. The stake can change but I do think the battle will be very conflicting like Madara/Hashirama, so time will tell what would it be this time.

[Don-kun]

Wha...how...when....why...?

Where did he cross the line?

Well he did call the fandom pathetic, I mean he was right in calling out the fandom behavior and their lost of faith.

But even when I agree with him pointing that out (a NH fan questioning NS fans faith in their paring) I believe he express himself in the worst possible way that got one of the MOD pretty angry.

Imagine Sakura 469 in regards of Naruto's well being and you will understand Crimson.

Good intentions wrong execution.

Now is time to let go of the forum i believe I spend too much time on it today, Good night everyone.

Edited by Don-kun, 11 April 2013 - 04:54 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

There is one question though. When Naruto and Sasuke fought, Naruto said that Sasuke would attack the village and that would be the reason that Naruto would have to fight him. Now that Sasuke said he will protect the village, Why the hell would Naruto ever fight Sasuke?

I have been asking that question in several posts now, dude. I have not gotten an answer myself.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 11 April 2013 - 05:01 AM.

[Shadow1275]

I have been asking that question in several posts now, dude. I have not gotten an answer myself.

Have you asked L?

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have been asking that question in several posts now, dude. I have not gotten an answer myself.

Look at my post.

[James S Cassidy]

Look at my post.

Well, only you have given an answer, but there are some I was curious on getting an answer from. Oh well.

Anyway, I don't know how far that can be taken and still see Sasuke as a villain or Naruto's obstacle. Again, why protect the village only to destroy it later? It reminds me of the Matrix reloaded and revolution where Trinity dies. Why bring her back alive when she only dies again in Part 3? Or The Dark Knight Rises movie where...you know, you can see it yourself I ain't explaining that one.

I just don't see a point in Sasuke fighting the battle. Sure I see the Kages playing a role, but why Sasuke? I don't get it really. I hope Kishi has a good explanation for this one. I'll accept it for now, but I hope a reason comes later on. Although we still don't know why Kakashi killed Rin.

Have you asked L?

I did. He just kept eating cake.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 11 April 2013 - 05:11 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, only you have given an answer, but there are some I was curious on getting an answer from. Oh well.

Anyway, I don't know how far that can be taken and still see Sasuke as a villain or Naruto's obstacle. Again, why protect the village only to destroy it later? It reminds me of the Matrix reloaded and revolution where Trinity dies. Why bring her back alive when she only dies again in Part 3? Or The Dark Knight Rises movie where...you know, you can see it yourself I ain't explaining that one.

I just don't see a point in Sasuke fighting the battle. Sure I see the Kages playing a role, but why Sasuke? I don't get it really. I hope Kishi has a good explanation for this one. I'll accept it for now, but I hope a reason comes later on. Although we still don't know why Kakashi killed Rin.



I did. He just kept eating cake.

Yeah I understand. We just have to wait and see. I just think "Enemy of my enemy is my friend" is being played here. We don't know what will happen next or even his complete thoughts on the whole thing. We only know that as of now, it's best to stop Madara. Until then, just have to wait and see.

Lol at last comment.