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[Don-kun]

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Why is Kishi to late to change is mind?
Who told you that he wanted to make the NS the end pairing when he started the Manga?
What happen if Chiyo's word meant that Sakura will gives her life for Naruto to live on and become an Hokage and show her gratefulness to him?
What happens If Naruto die?
What happens if their is no pairing?
What is Kishi wanted to hook up Naruto with a random girl?

Anything can happen we are not Kishimoto, we discuss what we feel will happen, not what we sure will happen since we are not the Author and worst we don't know how this Manga will end.

I always notice you saying how great Paptala post are, if you are a fan of her opinion like myself you should knows that just like myself she doesn't write of any other pairing, she says NS for her is the most likeable pairing.

And about the 25 scenarios where I can compare Sakura with Kukittena is just a say, I meant that Sakura has a lot of similarity while Hinata only have the kidnapping, risking her life for Naruto and genuinely loving Naruto.

Again is not why we sure NS will happen, it's why we believe NS has the biggest chance of happening.

Edited by Don-kun, 27 November 2012 - 03:19 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

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Why is Kishi to late to change is mind?
Who told you that he wanted to make the NS the end pairing when he started the Manga?
What happen if Chiyo's word meant that Sakura will gives her life for Naruto to live on and become an Hokage and show her gratefulness to him?
What happens If Naruto die?
What happens if their is no pairing?
What is Kishi wanted to hook up Naruto with a random girl?

Anything can happen we are not Kishimoto, we discuss what we feel will happen, not what we sure will happen since we are not the Author and worst we don't know how this Manga will end.

I always notice you saying how great Paptala post are, if you are a fan of her opinion like myself you should knows that just like myself she doesn't write of any other pairing, she says NS for her is the most likeable pairing.

And about the 25 scenarios where I can compare Sakura with Kukittena is just a say, I meant that Sakura has a lot of similarity while Hinata only have the kidnapping, risking her life for Naruto and genuinely loving Naruto.

Again is not why we sure NS will happen, it's why we believe NS has the biggest chance of happening.

I know what you mean. I think the only way to make other pairings work is betray his own work IMO. It's hard to say that we are delusion because there are heavy amount of supports. I can't say others are delusion but I can say that due to all events in the manga, NS has the highest chance of them all. It's hard that Obito/Rin has the similar situation as Naruto/Sakura, mainly Obito/Naruto. I just can't accept other way anymore. I won't bash them because of my opinion. I'll keep it myself in here.

While Paptala's posts are great, it's not only the fact that she talks about this pairing only but she has a legit reason to like it. Not to mention she writes them in a very detailed manner. I understand her a lot and I always feel like we do have members that really gets it. Not like anyone in here is really one minded though, just I like to read good detailed post. I always comment on a good writing. I would even comment something positive to SS and NH. It's just that I haven't read one without double standard. I know there are some.

[PhenixElite]

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Why is Kishi to late to change is mind?
Who told you that he wanted to make the NS the end pairing when he started the Manga?
What happen if Chiyo's word meant that Sakura will gives her life for Naruto to live on and become an Hokage and show her gratefulness to him?
What happens If Naruto die?
What happens if their is no pairing?
What is Kishi wanted to hook up Naruto with a random girl?

Anything can happen we are not Kishimoto, we discuss what we feel will happen, not what we sure will happen since we are not the Author and worst we don't know how this Manga will end.

I always notice you saying how great Paptala post are, if you are a fan of her opinion like myself you should knows that just like myself she doesn't write of any other pairing, she says NS for her is the most likeable pairing.

And about the 25 scenarios where I can compare Sakura with Kukittena is just a say, I meant that Sakura has a lot of similarity while Hinata only have the kidnapping, risking her life for Naruto and genuinely loving Naruto.

Again is not why we sure NS will happen, it's why we believe NS has the biggest chance of happening.

I think we can easily answer those questions if we just involve some logic:

1. Of course kishi can change his mind whenever he wants to, but the thing why i think he wont do it is because he build up a story over 12 years, and now rushing in with any inconsistent turns would just be a case of bad writing and it would crush the story he made up till now in pieces. Also mangaka got the whole story in their head when they beginn with writing it, at least most of it. So since the story is already near its end, i think we can predict how the end will look like.

2. I believe NS was kishis inention from the beginning because the way he started the story, with naruto beeing in love with sakura, sakura not caring at all about him, the fact that sakura is a tsundere is just completly the writing style of shounen romance. Also that we see sakura starting to care for naruto even in part one. Not to mention the POAL.

3. I dont see a reason for sakura to die especially after weve seen what happened to obito. Im sure kishi is not going to kill off the most important person to naruto who was by his side for over 600 chapters. If sakura dies, everything naruto has done for her would have been useless, also it would deliver a really bad message. So im sure no main charcters going to die.

4. Naruto death is completly impossible for me. Killing of the main protoganist of a manga that last for over 12 years? No!
The whole message of the manga would be destroyed after that, the whole story, just everything. Remember kishi even said that we should keep supporting naruto, so what would be the sence of killing him?

5. My question back: if hes not going to make a pairing, why even involve romance in the manga, why building a love triangle? Why not writing it eithout any romance, just like one piece? Why show selfless love from narutos side?
Why add tons of romantic moments between Naruto and sakura? After the story of the manga i can clearly tell that kishi is about to make pairings. He even showed naruto asking his mother how she fell in love with his father. Just everything points in that direction.

6. Since we know that naruto is not the guy whi changes his feelings and is in love with the same girl since chapter three it would just be bad writing and make no sence to pair him with some random girl. Nothing more to say about that.

[redragon88]

I think that while we can say with confidence that the story is building up to Naruto and Sakura ending together and that it would be completely ridiculous for Kishi to go any other way given how he has written the story for over a decade, it's not like we can say that this is what will definitely happen.

Would it be bad writing from Kishi's part if Naruto suddenly stopped loving Sakura after how he has portrayed his feelings for her over the years? Yes. But in the end the only one who knows exactly what will happen is Kishi himself.

We can speculate all we want, but since we can't see into the future we can't claim that an event will happen with 100% guarantee. We can only reach a 99.99% probability of something happening in the future by using present evidence. That applies for anything in existence.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

As far as I'm concerned there's only one: both were the object of kidnap attempts by Kumo.

What??
"When she was young she was kidnapped by a head ninja from Kumogakure, who under the guise of striking a peace treaty with Konoha, had actually been sent there to steal the Byakugan. Her father killed the would-be kidnapper to save her, but Kumo demanded compensation in the form of Hiashi's dead body due to having signed a peace treaty with the village only moments before."
Srsly.

They were at war, and they wanted to byakugan to sign a treat peace with konoha and have the byakugan for god's sake the context is completely different.

[Don-kun]

Technically speaking, yes, he could. But I bet you $20 right now that he doesn't trash his plot and characterizations and simply "make up any excuse" for doing it.

Kishimoto has his flaws -- occasionally hollow or non-existent explanations, rushed plotting, sidelining important characters, retconning -- but even with those storytelling issues he has maintained consistency with his overall plot. After 12 years or whatever, he's unlikely to take a new, UN-foreshadowed direction and offer nothing but an excuse.



I'm sorry but I must disagree. Hinata did not risk her life for Naruto. She risked her life for the chance to express her feelings to him. She herself admits she went into the fight with Pain for selfish reasons -- with no plan, believing there was nothing she could actually do to help Naruto, knowing she had no hope of beating Pain. Hinata thought she was choosing to die WITH Naruto, not FOR him. Big difference.

Kushina, on the other hand, knew she and Minato were the only chance to save Naruto's life as well as protect the village. They had a plan, and went into it knowing they were going to save his life through their actions. That means their sacrifice was neither vain nor empty. Plus she was his mother, and he was only a few minutes old. At that moment it was her sole responsibility.

There's simply no comparison between a mother sacrificing her life to save the life of her child, and an obscure, hopelessly weak girl making a tragic, uninvited spectacle of herself by dying for her one-sided love. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's how I see it. Just... no.



As far as I'm concerned there's only one: both were the object of kidnap attempts by Kumo.

I PM my reply to you.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Since there's nothing to debate i might ask something .
Do you guys think her feelings are changing and how those are changing.
First about sasuke she was all lovey dovey and happy when she was close to sasuke and now when it regards to sasuke, it makes her depressed so my question is "this depression is because sasuke is bad","it's because despite everything he tried to kill her and she knows that he does not love her","because she loves a criminal"?
And her latest appearence showed her proud and different than before she nows admires naruto as a hero and a man so do you guys think this is the first step to a complete 180 on her feelings and how she will act from now on?

Edited by dovahkiin, 27 November 2012 - 05:52 PM.

[candycane-chan]

Yes, I think she had a sad expression becuase of the third reason 'she's in love with a criminal'
I'm not stupid, I know that she still loves him but after the lover nin told her he must be a great guy for someone like her ( a proud ninja/a healer/someone who saved his life/his love interest?)

It was a big moment because it was the first time she acually got to think of her feelings in a negative light. Before, she would be sad because they couldn't find him yet or reach him, but know she knows how deap he sank and she probably feels ashamed of herself for having lingering feelings for the enemy (?)

If she's going to do a 180 and all then it doesn't really need much time to happen. She has shown multiple times that her feelings for naruto confuse her, so if she had a few panels of her thinking about it or having a flashback ( perhaps of a moment they shared afyer he saved her from zetsu since we didn't see what happened after that)
She could even reflect to her encounter with the lover nin and resolve to end whatever feelings she still has for sasuke, which would be better in my opinion so fans won't go around and say that naruto is her silver chain.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yes, I think she had a sad expression becuase of the third reason 'she's in love with a criminal'
I'm not stupid, I know that she still loves him but after the lover nin told her he must be a great guy for someone like her ( a proud ninja/a healer/someone who saved his life/his love interest?)

It was a big moment because it was the first time she acually got to think of her feelings in a negative light. Before, she would be sad because they couldn't find him yet or reach him, but know she knows how deap he sank and she probably feels ashamed of herself for having lingering feelings for the enemy (?)

If she's going to do a 180 and all then it doesn't really need much time to happen. She has shown multiple times that her feelings for naruto confuse her, so if she had a few panels of her thinking about it or having a flashback ( perhaps of a moment they shared afyer he saved her from zetsu since we didn't see what happened after that)
She could even reflect to her encounter with the lover nin and resolve to end whatever feelings she still has for sasuke, which would be better in my opinion so fans won't go around and say that naruto is her silver chain.

She was rejected by sasuke on the ending of part 1, the naruto who saved her from zetsu was an bushin i dont care about what happened after that but she was surprised with naruto's chakra mode.

[candycane-chan]

/\ umm he didn't reject her He would've rejected her if he told her he didn't have feelings for her and since that never happened then it's not considered a rejection.
Even if that naruto was a bunshin, he( the real naruto) still gets to live whatever his clone lives and does.

And honestly I don't see how any of those two points have anything to do with what I just said.

Edited by candycane-chan, 27 November 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[PhenixElite]

/\ umm he didn't reject her He would've rejected her if he told her he didn't have feelings for her and since that never happened then it's not considered a rejection.
Even if that naruto was a bunshin, he( the real naruto) still gets to live whatever his clone lives and does.

And honestly I don't see how any of those two points have anything to do with what I just said.

I think what happend in the end of part two can pretty much been seen as rejection since she said that she loved him and he said shes anoying and knocked her out.
And if thats not counting i would say the real rejection is the time where he nearly killed her twice

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

/\ umm he didn't reject her He would've rejected her if he told her he didn't have feelings for her and since that never happened then it's not considered a rejection.
Even if that naruto was a bunshin, he( the real naruto) still gets to live whatever his clone lives and does.

And honestly I don't see how any of those two points have anything to do with what I just said.

He rejected her she offered to go with him, love him be almost like his wife, he said no.
he left her unconscious after she threatened to scream.

this is a rejection.

In part two it was clearly that he didnt had feelings for her and does not treat her as a comrade.

Edited by dovahkiin, 27 November 2012 - 06:45 PM.

[candycane-chan]

wait wait you don't think that I think sasuke has feelings for her do you?
of course I know that, And I know that SS has less than a 10% chance in happening ( with an asspull )

What I meant was that in my previous post i was talking about sakura's feelings when she was sulking after her conversation with the lover nin and that the 'rejection' has nothing to do it.
maybe the killing attempt though..

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

wait wait you don't think that I think sasuke has feelings for her do you?
of course I know that, And I know that SS has less than a 10% chance in happening ( with an asspull )

What I meant was that in my previous post i was talking about sakura's feelings when she was sulking after her conversation with the lover nin and that the 'rejection' has nothing to do it.
maybe the killing attempt though..

Nope, you said sasuke didnt rejected her at part 1 but she was rejected.

There's no chance to SS happen, it went downfall after that killling attempt and just look at kakashi dont you remember what he said to rin?
After all the things he did to naruto and sakura, even if he back to the village which i dont think it will happen he will say the very same quote as kakashi said but with other words.

Edited by dovahkiin, 27 November 2012 - 06:58 PM.

[candycane-chan]

/\ it's because I don't see it as a rejection. Because if it was then there wouldn't have been any SS shippers anymore.

This is kishi's manga so he could make an ass pull whenever he wants to and make them canon. I'm not saying It'll happen, but I'm not going to say that it's impossible either. I just like to take all the possibilities into consideration.

Yes, see what kakashi did right there? that's a rejection. She was confessing and he stopped her and told her that he would've cared less and that obito has feelings for her. ( note that I'm not bashing kakashi)

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

/\ it's because I don't see it as a rejection. Because if it was then there wouldn't have been any SS shippers anymore.

This is kishi's manga so he could make an ass pull whenever he wants to and make them canon. I'm not saying It'll happen, but I'm not going to say that it's impossible either. I just like to take all the possibilities into consideration.

Yes, see what kakashi did right there? that's a rejection. She was confessing and he stopped her and told her that he would've cared less and that obito has feelings for her. ( note that I'm not bashing kakashi)

Sasuke did the same but with action not words in part 2 he almost kill her, there's no need for another rejection.

Edited by dovahkiin, 27 November 2012 - 07:24 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Here's my thought.

I do believe Sasuke did reject her. No one knows it but Sakura. Naruto has no clue but that's not the point for him. The point is that she loves him and he accepts it, regardless if it hurts him. Sure, he knows that Sakura met Sasuke before he left, but does he even knows that she confessed her love to him already. I don't think SS is meant to be pending relationship. I think it's already gone. What's not gone is Sakura's feelings for him. She can be rejected, but her love can remain until further notice. Enter Uzumaki Naruto. I realized that Chunnin exam was the beginning of SS's end when I recapped the manga. It was going downhill while NS was going up.

In part 2, Sakura's love for Sasuke was brought up visibly in the Kage Summit Arc. So this is long overdue for her to put it to the test. Verdict is terrible. This is a wake up call that Sasuke can't be that guy that he always dreamed of. Out of all people to rescue her, Naruto did it against Sasuke no less. The change has shown throughout the manga and the reunion shows us where they all stand, and Sakura has been defending Naruto. So after that arc is the war arc, so it's fitting that lover min scene happened since it's fresh in our memory as well as her. The thing about Sakura is that we don't know if she even expects Sasuke loving her back. Recap the manga and notice that it's about team 7 coming back together and doing it because Naruto truly cares. She may love Sasuke but again, does she expect his love return. I think this part may be brought up when talking to Naruto, which may shock him. So as of now, she's alone in this Sasuke's love, but it's only matter of time that she will move on. She can like him sure, but romance wise, it's time.

I can go on with Sasuke, but I'll wait for more comments.

[Living Lavish]

/\ it's because I don't see it as a rejection. Because if it was then there wouldn't have been any SS shippers anymore.

This is kishi's manga so he could make an ass pull whenever he wants to and make them canon. I'm not saying It'll happen, but I'm not going to say that it's impossible either. I just like to take all the possibilities into consideration.

Yes, see what kakashi did right there? that's a rejection. She was confessing and he stopped her and told her that he would've cared less and that obito has feelings for her. ( note that I'm not bashing kakashi)

It was a rejection, pretty obvious one at that. His statement pretty much meant "Thank you for caring" since she had just got through confessing to him. Then he knocked her out because she was going to get him caught by shouting to alert the guards.

Although he did (does) not love her back, it was nevetheless his way of showing appreciation that she did. Team 7 was his friends and comrades.

Plus Sasuke told Naruto Sakura confession didn't get through to him But Naruto is the only one who got throught to him emotionall, at the end Sasuke acknowledged Naruto as his brother and best friend in the fight. Sasuke never accepted Sakuras love. thats the difference. if he did he would told her he loved her back that night.

Anyway there would have been SS shippers regardless. People would have shipped for the pairing anyway even if they think it as not hope of happening.

[candycane-chan]

narusaku4life and dovahkin okay, now I'm convinced

It doesn't really matter if it's a rejection or not because sakura still has feelings for him after all and that's the deal. Even after the so called rejection and the killing attempts she still loves him.

[Living Lavish]

narusaku4life and dovahkin okay, now I'm convinced

It doesn't really matter if it's a rejection or not because sakura still has feelings for him after all and that's the deal. Even after the so called rejection and the killing attempts she still loves him.

Yeah we knew that since the start of part 2. its just she cares about Naruto a lot more tbh even if shes still confused about her feelings for him.