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Posted 11 August 2013 - 08:24 PM

 

There are many reasons, it ranges from general preference and interpretation to outright lack of information or differences in culture. Some of the smallest are like those who just don't mind or care for Sakura but know her role, others its a bit in between like the rational pairing fans or those who know what Sakura is about and her development yet Hinata or others still take precedence over her to them. Then you get those with the outrageous claims or don't know what they are talking about like for Sakura always hitting Naruto as its said, why is Sakura the one to gather all this attention? Why not the other female anime characters who do the same thing? Others may not know the concept of a tsundere, going from affection to temperamental. Sakura in her case was all kind to Sasuke and all hate to Naruto, but now she is much more caring towards Naruto and much less temperamental but only for the reasons needed like him being an idiot or something. Then you get some of the most outrageous like those who claim Sakura is just some hate filled witch and unsuited for Naruto and Hinata is some perfect goddess. One of the worst cases of insane anti-Sakura views came from RtN in which they got angry Sakura was starring with Naruto in that movie and then AU HInata shows up and yet personifies Sakura they always claimed her to be, and yet they just worshipped this Hinata like the real Hinata should be this. They always spent time hating Sakura and claiming her to be what AU Hinata was and when AU Hinata came around, they said she is some ideal or great match for Naruto unlike Sakura. This was one of the biggest double standards I ever saw and just couldn't stomach the logic these fans used. But fanbase views range immensely, when it comes to Sakura there are minor ones and then you get major ones. Its like some people saw the Sakura-Kushina stuff coming in 631 even if they hated Sakura, others and I mean a lot of people acted like Huh? Is Kishi drunk of something? Is Minato been doing drugs? Sakura like Kushina? No way that can be true its just a joke or a way to mislead people. Or it became something else like WTF Kishi? You are ruining the story! Didn't you just confirm NH as the canon couple! Whats funny in the second statement, the development of NS was nowhere near done yet people thought it was just somehow ended.

 

Well that's the opinion of mostly NH fans, I don't know many regular readers and watchers of Naruto that believe that Sakura and Naruto won't be ending up together. That being said you can expect that NH fans would decry Sakura as not being heroine worthy since they prefer Hinata in that role but its the non pairing fans who have a dislike of Sakura that is born directly from the pages of the Manga. Whether you want to blame Kishi for "not handling her properly" as I have seen many people do over the years, is of course up to individual opinion. Personally I just look at it as long term character growth, Sakura spent forever in the slump that most main characters encounter at some point and because of that, she has been defined by her lows instead of her highs. Now we are being led to believe that she has finally resolved her feelings and is emerging from beneath the veil of her cloying love for Sasuke. If she doesn't then expect the amount of Anti-Sakura sentiment increase exponentially, conversely if she does break free of it, leaving no doubts that she is over Sasuke (regardless of how she feels for Naruto) expect for the fan base that doesn't care about pairing to rally behind her. Anime fans are fickle, throw in some can do resolve and a new power up and we quickly forget about that time we were mad at a character but that's part of the charm.



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Posted 11 August 2013 - 08:24 PM

There were a bit more, but the first opening episodes were rushed because it was covered in the old anime. For example, Ed arm wrestles a guy and Winry was happy that her automail was perfect, but later, it was revealed that Ed cheated with alchemy. Result: hit by a wrench.

Yea I remember that from FMA. I realize thats its Ed and Winry and im not delusion or grasping for straws especially not at this point. Its what the author had planned and delivered, just not my personal choice. That aside what a fantastic piece of art. That show is amazing on so many levels. 



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Posted 11 August 2013 - 08:34 PM

Yea I remember that from FMA. I realize thats its Ed and Winry and im not delusion or grasping for straws especially not at this point. Its what the author had planned and delivered, just not my personal choice. That aside what a fantastic piece of art. That show is amazing on so many levels. 

Yeah.

Also, they are already great friends, so you only get the tender aspect of it. In Naruto, you literally get the full package. From stranger to most likely lover. I guess that's why some of us could be spoiled. Lol.

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 09:45 PM

Yeah.

Also, they are already great friends, so you only get the tender aspect of it. In Naruto, you literally get the full package. From stranger to most likely lover. I guess that's why some of us could be spoiled. Lol.

 

Well Naruto for the whole pairing of NaruSaku, to see how it started off uneasy with Sakura hating Naruto to seeing how far they have come, to us its completely logical to see the ending as Sakura loving Naruto because of all they went through, to others Sakura loving Naruto is more maddening to think Naruto became friends with Kurama or rather Sasuke loving Sakura.



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Posted 11 August 2013 - 11:00 PM

 

That is what I've been seeing too , unfortunately the hate roams our( western side ) of the fandom. People are stuck on part 1 Sakura and fail to see her development ever growing from chapter 3. Others watch the anime which is filled with filler scenes from most of them make Sakura look like a total ... or most people interpret it like this , because they dont know the first thing about tsundre or japanese culture . Sakura is abusive to Naruto she hits him.. So , Naruto is abusive to Konohamaru then? He hit him more than 4-5 times for being an idiot or just being in his way . What does that make Naruto? Yep, an abusive bas... No , just no.. And there comes the selective reading , boy i loathe this more than anything its only usage is when you  are doing a test of biology why dont you then you have to read the most important information indeed , because you have time limit , but then again you are reading this Manga out of enjoyment ,right? So basically you have a lot of time.

How are you suppose to agree with those ''arguments'' they rather make no freaking sense or just are illogical to begin with or they downplay ns moments calling them a joke , because maybe they wanted it to be , but too bad for them its only wishful thinking . I think some people enjoy pissing us off , but why , its still alludes me ..

 

469 , i have been thinking about it lately and came up with the idea that Kishimoto tried to express and give to us the readers .. Its understanding . The understanding of the other person's pain and also lifting the curtain of self misleading that some people are great . It brought closeness , it brought selfless love and choice on Sakura's end . Now people believe that Naruto rejected her , which is more than dumb , because if the narrative or the verbiage doesn't tell you , how are they to tell that its the opposite?
The whole '' I hate/don't like/can't stand people who are lying to themselfs'' interprets as rejection , that's not rejection folks its disbelieve . Disbelieve that she is over/doesn't care anymore about Sasuke, which was the OBVIOUS lie which  people missed then proclaimed NS dead and an opening for nh.....
But did Naruto ever told Sakura I hate you ? Did he say/show any signs of moving on? NO, in fact after his talk with his mom we see him with a big grin facing Sakura saving her from Zetsus and showing off , those little thing are left aside . Some don't know of Kishi's statement or try to ignore it like they always do to everything , which makes me thing , why do they even read his work in the first place ?

If Naruto moves on from Sakura without confessing wouldn't that be a contradictory to his nindo? I mean he said he will confess so he will how can that be avoided ? No clue . I gotta say that is why Hinata slapped him , because he was ready to give up/in when Neji died , so she reminded him his words and his nindo which she adores the most in him . Tell me how will she feel after 631  the ns hug and him giving up and going to her and saying '' I love you , i moved on''? I think it will turn bad and she will reject him , or that is just me ?
Neji didn't die for their bloody ship he died on his own free will , protecting them and freeing himself from the cursed mark showing them that he has changed his opinion towards them and reminding Naruto that he is not the first person who died for him. Then Hinata and   mostly Kurama's words did the trick to bring him on his feet filled with confidence and courage to go on.. 615 Hinata was speaking on behalf of the group using familial words like ''I've always believed in you , you have to believe in yourself , you have to WE have to. So , get your crap together and fight '' Which was great , but people turn this into romance which was not the point of the chapter , the point was the support and help which EVERYONE gives to Naruto .  That is the problem , misreading/misunderstanding the details and there you have it , we have a great misconception which leads to many conflicts/fights  in the fandoms .

 

There you have it , Sasuke never had more than platonic relation/feeling toward Sakura ,ever. He protected her 1,2 times complimented her genjustu talent even though he made her feel very bad before that. If we think about it , won't it be good , if Sasuke had any say in the matter? What about his feelings , what if he finds someone else attractive or doesn't have any concern in romantical aspect at all ? Why is does it lead to a recoil towards Sakura ? Why are her feelings so important in this relationship , when she cant even state one good reason for them? When was the last time she wanted to be his GF? When did she admit that she still loves him , i mean openly? If we take 540 as a fact then its true love , but if we take 631 and Naruto's words flying out of his mouth are a joke or he was confused ? Someone please explain those questions to me because i am sencierly  lost . The selfless and selfish part , now that made me think ; Maybe kishi wrote the manga with that purpose if we think about it the fight between the YounG and the Older sons were about leading with Love and the other with Power and that makes me thing to see the difference in ideals and how people think , diversely from one another . Maybe that is the whole point of the manga , the selfless love to triumph over the selfish ? Dunno , its a long shot .

 

How can't they ignore them? The merits i mean , he does half of the things in the manga for Sakura , he saved her from Gaara never took credit to tell how he felt , he sucked up every drop of sadness and disappointment in front of the gate of Konoha and made the POAL to Sakura to bring Sasuke back to HER FOR HER , and some people forget that . Yes , he wants to bring Sasuke of himself too but half of it is for Sakura and that is undeniable . SS ships sails so many ears thanks to Naruto , and they forget his feelings or toss them aside just like that? It seems to me that they don't get the massage of the manga at all . That is what disappoints me the most , why forget all the things he did for her , just like that ? I can't find an answer on my own , unfortunately .  When she was ready to give up on Sasuke so many times and the most crucial part was the hospital scene when Naruto was injured badly , he inspired her , cheered her up just to see her smiling face again , and guess what ? YEP, she smiled from ear to ear .

And that is the whole point , love is not deserving its something to be EARNED , just like respect .
 

I'm ashamed too , but it cant be helped , they have to seek knowledge for themselfs , to see what some of us see maybe then we will come to an understanding , of course people will always disagree but when logic and facts are involved even the toughest case can be easy solved and an agreement can be reached , because its logic which help us foresee what will eventually come to be . Sure , we have to fallow our hearts , but that doesn't mean to leave logic and reason behind .. Even though those who've increased knowledge , increased sorrow . We can state our point of view , but its up to them to asunder right from wrong.

 

631 came and did a great job , it brought the monster hiding under the bed and broke the silence where people were roaming for a long time . They can say w/e they want ,deep down they know whats coming and its not pretty .. I've debated with a nh fan for 7to9 times in which he lost and his final words to me were .'' well , at least we still have Sasuke'' by that he meant that nh won't happen because Naruto loves Sakura , but there is still a bump on the road Sakura's feelings. Well, 635 came along and the inpatience and fear escalated to no describable level . what  i am saying and the only thing that is keeping SS at this point somewhat alive is Sakura's ambiguous feelings for him and the leap of faith that Sasuke will fall in love and Sakura will be rewarded for her patient love , which makes no sense since she has feelings for Naruto too and confessed lie or not she did and he seems to believe her . Parallels in this manga a are powerful engine and the fear of them brings denial , that is why kushina=/=sakura and hinata=minato , but then again Naruto's mom told him to find a girl like her ,right? But lets ignore that too .
Then comes my final question when/if NS becomes canon what will the opposite camps do? It wont be pretty though.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 12:57 AM

Awesome posts everyone :) Especially, Inferno!

 

 

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but in the last official poll which you can find in chapter 531, Hinata was actually 2 ranks above Sakura and that was actually before she got her moments this arc, I can't imagine how high she would be now.

 

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Sakura is the one not being even in top 10 here.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 12:58 AM

Yeah.

Also, they are already great friends, so you only get the tender aspect of it. In Naruto, you literally get the full package. From stranger to most likely lover. I guess that's why some of us could be spoiled. Lol.

Yea im always like Yea! she called out for Al or hey she's worried about him....its all just a big tease. :( Actually the episode that kinda pissed me off is when Al is like blacked out and after a few calls for Al she yells out for Ed, who just happens to be having "an awesome" moment as well. I think thats where I was like f-that and just stopped watching (on my first watch, this time i'll see it to the end) 

 

Also I find out who Al ends up with and its kind of a downer. Call me f*ucked up, but shes not to easy on the eyes like Winry, Riza, Rose...or any other female character. I mean we couldnt even get a lan fan look a like whats up with that. Sigh



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:19 AM

Yea im always like Yea! she called out for Al or hey she's worried about him....its all just a big tease. :( Actually the episode that kinda pissed me off is when Al is like blacked out and after a few calls for Al she yells out for Ed, who just happens to be having "an awesome" moment as well. I think thats where I was like f-that and just stopped watching (on my first watch, this time i'll see it to the end) 
 
Also I find out who Al ends up with and its kind of a downer. Call me f*ucked up, but shes not to easy on the eyes like Winry, Riza, Rose...or any other female character. I mean we couldnt even get a lan fan look a like whats up with that. Sigh

I don't know, I had no problem. I always saw it like how Sakura will soon see for Sasuke: a brother figure. When it comes to a three-man relationship one different gender, one will be the sibling and the other will be the lover. That's why I was comfortable with FMA. But that's just me. I like it. As I said before, a second main character usually gets no one or side character and Al is the victim. Sasuke will soon be the victim.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:42 AM

I don't know, I had no problem. I always saw it like how Sakura will soon see for Sasuke: a brother figure. When it comes to a three-man relationship one different gender, one will be the sibling and the other will be the lover. That's why I was comfortable with FMA. But that's just me. I like it. As I said before, a second main character usually gets no one or side character and Al is the victim. Sasuke will soon be the victim.

chea , I can definetly live with this as a ending also . Sasuke like Sakura's brother and Naruto is Sakura's lover . 


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:55 AM

I don't know, I had no problem. I always saw it like how Sakura will soon see for Sasuke: a brother figure. When it comes to a three-man relationship one different gender, one will be the sibling and the other will be the lover. That's why I was comfortable with FMA. But that's just me. I like it. As I said before, a second main character usually gets no one or side character and Al is the victim. Sasuke will soon be the victim.

Yea thats the thing, Al is technically a side character, but my god he's so close to being the main protagonist. He's their all the time and hes got it worse then the main character, its painful when hes ur favorite character. Sigh little brother always subject to second fiddle



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:03 AM

Yea I remember that from FMA. I realize thats its Ed and Winry and im not delusion or grasping for straws especially not at this point. Its what the author had planned and delivered, just not my personal choice. That aside what a fantastic piece of art. That show is amazing on so many levels. 

Ugh. I know what it's like when the pairing you dislike is most certainly going to end up canon in the end :\. When that happens to me, I try to force myself into liking the intended pairing. It doesn't work very well.  :sweatdrop:

I keep hearing all of these amazing things concerning FMA:B! It makes me want to pick it up again after putting it on hold for a couple months now.

 

GTFO .

:( Be nice. :umm:


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:07 AM

Yea thats the thing, Al is technically a side character, but my god he's so close to being the main protagonist. He's their all the time and hes got it worse then the main character, its painful when hes ur favorite character. Sigh little brother always subject to second fiddle

I don't know. I saw it differently. The end part was just great for me, so I don't know. Ed was still guilty for many things, but this one works well. I may go over again but I'm pretty sure everything to me felt solid. I especially like how he's willing to go to take a bad injury so he can help Al, and there was no medic. The VA did jutsice so maybe that's why I feel more impact with the characters. Plus, Ed is going through all this to save Al as he does feel guilt and that episode where he saw the body the first time was really good. I don't know, maybe we just have different view or one of us is heavily invested in one character to the point we want what we believe he should get. Who knows. Another discussion thread.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:32 AM

Ugh. I know what it's like when the pairing you dislike is most certainly going to end up canon in the end :\. When that happens to me, I try to force myself into liking the intended pairing. It doesn't work very well.  :sweatdrop:

I keep hearing all of these amazing things concerning FMA:B! It makes me want to pick it up again after putting it on hold for a couple months now.

 

:( Be nice. :umm:

 

Yea I thought about seeing it from the other perspective, but I just cant. Also I highly recommend FMAB, I used to see it on lists as the or one of the greatest animes around and I would just shake my head, but after giving it another chance (im kinda marathoning it on Netflix) I have to agree even though the pairing is not to my likening.

I don't know. I saw it differently. The end part was just great for me, so I don't know. Ed was still guilty for many things, but this one works well. I may go over again but I'm pretty sure everything to me felt solid. I especially like how he's willing to go to take a bad injury so he can help Al, and there was no medic. The VA did jutsice so maybe that's why I feel more impact with the characters. Plus, Ed is going through all this to save Al as he does feel guilt and that episode where he saw the body the first time was really good. I don't know, maybe we just have different view or one of us is heavily invested in one character to the point we want what we believe he should get. Who knows. Another discussion thread.

No I agree, I kinda said it before, even though ed's not really anywhere near my favorite characters in the show I respect because he seems to be the only one who cares for Al. But also Al feels guilty for what happened as well. Anyway I'm really excited for the end, just hope netflix puts up the final season soon, most likely not.



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:36 AM

Yea I thought about seeing it from the other perspective, but I just cant. Also I highly recommend FMAB, I used to see it on lists as the or one of the greatest animes around and I would just shake my head, but after giving it another chance (im kinda marathoning it on Netflix) I have to agree even though the pairing is not to my likening.

No I agree, I kinda said it before, even though ed's not really anywhere near my favorite characters in the show I respect because he seems to be the only one who cares for Al. But also Al feels guilty for what happened as well. Anyway I'm really excited for the end, just hope netflix puts up the final season soon, most likely not.


That's cool. Everyone has different opinions, so it's not like I'm right or you're right. Just taste.

Is it me or tumblr really has great NS posts? There's one I read and I thought it was great. I just don't know if I can share without permission.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:44 AM

That's cool. Everyone has different opinions, so it's not like I'm right or you're right. Just taste.

Is it me or tumblr really has great NS posts? There's one I read and I thought it was great. I just don't know if I can share without permission.

 

You can at least link it or tell the URL



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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:48 AM

 
You can at least link it or tell the URL

Ok.

Well, here's one that I enjoyed reading. Don't credit me for this.

http://paptala.tumbl...nse-of-narusaku

Credit goes to Paptala.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 02:59 AM

 

Yea I thought about seeing it from the other perspective, but I just cant. Also I highly recommend FMAB, I used to see it on lists as the or one of the greatest animes around and I would just shake my head, but after giving it another chance (im kinda marathoning it on Netflix) I have to agree even though the pairing is not to my likening.

No I agree, I kinda said it before, even though ed's not really anywhere near my favorite characters in the show I respect because he seems to be the only one who cares for Al. But also Al feels guilty for what happened as well. Anyway I'm really excited for the end, just hope netflix puts up the final season soon, most likely not.

Oh, that's good to hear! I've only watched two episodes and ended up putting it on hold because I was really busy at the time. I haven't had the motivation to pick it back up again until now. Now I'm excited to watch it!  :eager:


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:03 AM

Ok.

Well, here's one that I enjoyed reading. Don't credit me for this.

http://paptala.tumbl...nse-of-narusaku

 

It was from Paptala? You didn't mention that, anyways it was still a nice read.


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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:23 AM

 
It was from Paptala? You didn't mention that, anyways it was still a nice read.

Oh, I should have known. I don't have tumblr but I do search since lately, I see great NS posts and this one caught my attention. Thanks for pointing that out.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 03:37 AM

Oh, I should have known. I don't have tumblr but I do search since lately, I see great NS posts and this one caught my attention. Thanks for pointing that out.


Paptala always has a way to write stuff down in a convincing and true manner. You should get used to tumblr! It's a cool place to be without all the hate :P. I read that post too and all it shows to me is how selective some people can be with their readings at some point. It's great to see paptala respond to it and voice it out from the narusaku fandom. I know I could never write as well as her or express it the way she does. She is great at that stuff.




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