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[bthug]

Hey you guys wanna hear something funny? I ship(ped) Winry and Al.... I know I am that one guy (Also Im still watching brotherhood, so no spoilers but its so obivious)

[TouKen4Life3g]

Hey you guys wanna hear something funny? I ship(ped) Winry and Al.... I know I am that one guy (Also Im still watching brotherhood, so no spoilers but its so obivious)

Wait, still watching it?

[Superman333]

Well I just read the chapter and it seems like Team 7 got the hunch that Sasuke is doing it because Konoha screwed Itachi over. Not all the truth revealed but the main one was there, so I guess that's why Sakura don't ask or wonder about Itachi's truth. So yeah, enough with that for SS chance.

Anyway, yeah, Sasuke is heading to Madara's direction. He's doing it all alone with some help but his goal is for himself (and most likely Itachi). It's not enough and that's why Sasuke always go dark when Sasuke is about to do something dark like burning Juubi to death. It's beginning to make sense.

yeah , I don't think Kishi would put that much emphasis on them not trusting Sasuke , for Sasuke just to end up being good again . 

[Inferno180]

Not really. Team 7 can witness the battle without knowing the truth. The whole idea of truth does more damage than good because Sasuke went to dark side even after all that. He had a chance to make it right, but he messed that up. Also, rereading the chapter, Itachi don't want anyone to know because not only it makes Konoha look bad but also Uchiha. Best to leave it as it is. So in other words, it really doesn't matter.
It was made for Naruto to understand that Sasuke is always himself, never manipulated, never a tool. That's why Naruto and Sasuke has now become battle to the death. Before, it was about saving him or get killed, now it's all around death. I'm not saying Naruto will kill him but the situation has gotten to that level. Again, if you tell the truth, then explain why he went what he did. Exactly. Damage is done. I can understand that if summit part never happened the way it did, he has a chance, but if Sakura is in no trust level, then you know Sasuke really ruined it. Plus, Naruto is really hyped to be the only one to trust him and change him.
Also, after rereading the old chapter, I think Sasuke is doing it for Itachi. The whole part of Naruto explaining to Itachi about Sasuke really tells me that Sasuke is doing it for him. In fact, I think Sasuke is heading what Itachi warned Naruto: becoming the new Madara. That's why that flashback in 631 happened. I think Naruto has the idea that Sasuke is not good at all. It also explains that Naruto steps in and do what Itachi said: leave it to him. Pretty much, Naruto keeping in check but the inevitable is coming once the battle is over.

Naruto and Sasuke know the truth, Kakashi and Yamato were left not knowing directly if it was true or not as Kakashi said they had to cross examine it, but to him he will respect narutos choice in leaving it a secret. Sakura knows that there is a truth and naruto is hiding an itachi related ordeal concerning Sasuke. Though naruto said to his friends why he would reveal why he would handle Sasuke, after meeting itachi again that truth may be kept a secret. It's a matter of people respecting narutos decision and trusting him to handle the Sasuke issue. Sakura put her faith in him too after the clash in the land of iron, heck that faith and her own actions in the land of iron made her able t give her faith in naruto speech to the allaince in 630.

The truth for itachi though, that remains a hard thought if naruto will keep it secret or if it really was to be revealed. Even if it was revealed, to sakura I don't think it would make her see how Sasuke was being used the whole time, he had the choice to follow itachis original goal and just go back home. Sakura woundnt just revert again or still follow Sasuke when stuff like 635 was revealed, even this late I doubt Kishi would pull something in which people think she would just keep on Sasuke, instead pulling something where she sides with naruto or so kinda like 450 which had the hug come from nowhere, even then that hug was a significant scene for naruto and sakura. But overall should the truth be revealed to sakura, there would still need to be things falling in line with her development, I mean if this was revealed, it would still not do good development for her to just keep liking him because he was mislead, rather he was acting on the truth and still chose the dark path. Sasuke really was not used, it was confirmed by Danzo and itachi. Sakura's development would not be undone if the truth was revealed, I mean Sasuke still tried to kill her and even with his change he still has hostile intents towards naruto, mainly it's still an enemy of my enemy type deal with Sasuke and sakura is about to enter a character arc in which her views on sasuke may change at last. Her love for him is one of her longest traits, but it's also likely this can trigger an event in the future in which she slowly turns to naruto, many events like that still remain open for her.

As for this, really can't say if naruto will keep the stuff for itachi private and others respect it or if he will tell and has the risk of relationship hurting, but because he is trying to get peace for the world, this includes the villages being able to trust each other including the leaf and cloud resolving the byukugan issue with the truth, the mist and the origin of akakatui, etc all villages would need to trust each other from the unresolved conflicts of the past and forgive each other. That is part of the theme of leading to peace.

[Superman333]

Naruto and Sasuke know the truth, Kakashi and Yamato were left not knowing directly if it was true or not as Kakashi said they had to cross examine it, but to him he will respect narutos choice in leaving it a secret. Sakura knows that there is a truth and naruto is hiding an itachi related ordeal concerning Sasuke. Though naruto said to his friends why he would reveal why he would handle Sasuke, after meeting itachi again that truth may be kept a secret. It's a matter of people respecting narutos decision and trusting him to handle the Sasuke issue. Sakura put her faith in him too after the clash in the land of iron, heck that faith and her own actions in the land of iron made her able t give her faith in naruto speech to the allaince in 630.

The truth for itachi though, that remains a hard thought if naruto will keep it secret or if it really was to be revealed. Even if it was revealed, to sakura I don't think it would make her see how Sasuke was being used the whole time, he had the choice to follow itachis original goal and just go back home. Sakura woundnt just revert again or still follow Sasuke when stuff like 635 was revealed, even this late I doubt Kishi would pull something in which people think she would just keep on Sasuke, instead pulling something where she sides with naruto or so kinda like 450 which had the hug come from nowhere, even then that hug was a significant scene for naruto and sakura. But overall should the truth be revealed to sakura, there would still need to be things falling in line with her development, I mean if this was revealed, it would still not do good development for her to just keep liking him because he was mislead, rather he was acting on the truth and still chose the dark path. Sasuke really was not used, it was confirmed by Danzo and itachi. Sakura's development would not be undone if the truth was revealed, I mean Sasuke still tried to kill her and even with his change he still has hostile intents towards naruto, mainly it's still an enemy of my enemy type deal with Sasuke and sakura is about to enter a character arc in which her views on sasuke may change at last. Her love for him is one of her longest traits, but it's also likely this can trigger an event in the future in which she slowly turns to naruto, many events like that still remain open for her.

As for this, really can't say if naruto will keep the stuff for itachi private and others respect it or if he will tell and has the risk of relationship hurting, but because he is trying to get peace for the world, this includes the villages being able to trust each other including the leaf and cloud resolving the byukugan issue with the truth, the mist and the origin of akakatui, etc all villages would need to trust each other from the unresolved conflicts of the past and forgive each other. That is part of the theme of leading to peace.

once again , bravo . I really hope that she just gives Naruto the key to her heart . Naruto worked to hard for it . 

[bthug]

Wait, still watching it?

Yea still watching, but i know its going to be Ed and Winry

[TouKen4Life3g]

Yea still watching, but i know its going to be Ed and Winry

Wait what? You just said Winry and Al is the obvious one. So which is it?

[sushi.]

Wait what? You just said Winry and Al is the obvious one. So which is it?

No, he said EdxWinry is so obvious, but he ships AlxWinry anyway.

 

How far are you, bthug?

 

Edit; And..why AlxWinry? They don't have any sweet individual interactions or relationship like Ed and Winry.

Edited by sushi., 11 August 2013 - 04:47 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

No, he said EdxWinry is so obvious, but he ships AlxWinry anyway.
 
How far are you, bthug?

Oh ok. Roger! I got mixed up.

[Inferno180]

All I know is, the build up topic has enough info to show why we know where ns can go, along with a few other things not directly listed like 635.

[Askia31]

Awesome posts everyone :) Especially, Inferno!

 

Kishi doesnt have a computer, and even if he does, the western fanbase isnt his fanbase. He wont be lurking around in NF or anything. He doesnt know english as far as I've read about the guy. In the japanese fanbase there isnt any of that kitten. They know very well that sakura is an awesome heroine that isnt written poorly who wouldnt do that. They dont give a ship about hinata. They dont. And yeah, she might have loud fans in japan, but its nothing compared to the top 10 most popular characters in naruto. Its really nothing compared to them. The top 10 characters that are thr most popular and the position they earned makes sense and its perfect. And whats even better is that hinata isnt even in the top ten. So basically the top 10 chsracters are the ones that the japanese most prefer. Kakashi naruto sasuke iruka shikamaru sakura gaara neji itachi lee. These are characters that are greatly developed and improved. Not only that but the akatsuki, hokage, kage, kushina, shikamaru, lee, neji. Team 10, team gai and team 7 are the three teams that are the most popular and well written with major connection to the story.

 

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but in the last official poll which you can find in chapter 531, Hinata was actually 2 ranks above Sakura and that was actually before she got her moments this arc, I can't imagine how high she would be now.

 

Poll

 

Sakura is the one not being even in top 10 here.

Edited by Askia31, 11 August 2013 - 05:55 PM.

[sushi.]

While an anti-SS moment isn't a pro NS-moment, the last stage for Sakura is to let her love for Sasuke go.

 

Because of the confession, we now know if this doesn't happen - it will only create conflicts from them later on. She tried to bury her love for Sasuke for Naruto's sake. I think she has realized now that if she wants to be with one of the boys, she has to let the weakest love go.

 

Her love for the two boys are on completely different paths, and you can't walk two paths at the same time. I'm not saying she has to cut one of the bonds, just realize who is the love of her life.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I know that anti-SS moment doesn't mean NS moment. It's just that when you end SS, it's smooth sailing. You can say it's cocky, but honestly, what direction she's going to after ending SS? That's why Sakura is different from many girls because she has two directions to go, and because of that, it's not far fetched that she will find love from another person.

Also, I have surpassed 100 liked posts and I want to thank all of you guys. I don't know what is the reason for it but whatever it is, I am still thankful. You guys are the best. :)

[bthug]

No, he said EdxWinry is so obvious, but he ships AlxWinry anyway.

 

How far are you, bthug?

 

Edit; And..why AlxWinry? They don't have any sweet individual interactions or relationship like Ed and Winry.

Well I just watched episode 40. As for why I ship AlxWinry well its kinda simple for starters I always took a liking to Al especially over Ed, maybe its because Im the younger brother and maybe I see my self as Al and I wish he got the really cute, nice girl who cares a lot ( and I mean really cute lol) Or maybe and more likely because Al really got the short end of the stick and they don't really treat him like they should. I mean he doesn't have a body, he cant eat or sleep, and he's the youngest. Just messed up. 

 

I also don't really like ed for some reason, might blasphemy to say that lol. Something about him I just don't see him as a  hero or when he tries to act like one it seems forced. Maybe its the way he looks, or sounds, or his height lol. Idk I dont wanna make it seem like I'm bashing especially seeing how he cares a lot for Al. I just feel like Al gets shafted a lot, and a lot of times is cause the limelight is saved for Ed. 

 

Also ur right in that they dont have as many cute moments, however most of the cute moments seem forced or they are after Winry starts to like Ed, which only about half way through the series. In the beginning they have a few cute moments like when she gets angry at him and its him with a wrench and my favorite when she sits outside waiting for him to come back with his fight with Lust. (which reminds me he saves Riza and he gets no thanks from her of mustang if it was ed it would have been this awesome heart felt thanks, he just gets shafted so much :( But anyway yea she was waiting form him and cried when he came back that was really cute. 

 

Maybe if he had his body it would have helped not mention he's taller lol  ( I believe) 

Whew feels good to get that off my chest

[TouKen4Life3g]

There were a bit more, but the first opening episodes were rushed because it was covered in the old anime. For example, Ed arm wrestles a guy and Winry was happy that her automail was perfect, but later, it was revealed that Ed cheated with alchemy. Result: hit by a wrench.

[rocci]

Why many fan think sakura failed or not deserved as a main character/ heroine?

[Psychox]

Only reason people tend to say ns is dead is because aside from hating sakura in most cases it's more about just selective reading. But there are arguements against ns I just cannot fathom, I mean some had meaning before but now it just seems like some are spoken without a second thought, these are just some arguements I disagree with entirely.

1. Many called it dead due to 469 yet never considered how naruto might have thought once sai told him Sakura's plan, heck even Kishi said something's himself over this ordeal and yet people still dub it the fail fission when it had nothing to do with her trying to get his love, only to get him to safety or make amends as sai said. Funny thing is, despite these claims, it's insane how those statements can come back to bit other groups like nh in the butt, I mean naruto giving up on sakura, that would ideally make him settling for hinata out of pity, that would be the real second settlement pairing, nh, not to mention giving up undermines the entire point of nh, how could hinata stand it if naruto gave up? How could naruto stand any girl he couldn't keep his promise too?

2. Naruto loves hinata now, Just when did naruto stop loving sakura? I mean seriously yeah it's only practically stated that he likes sakura still in 631 being thrilled at the idea if her being his girlfriend, but seriously he could have just called her a friend or even leave the minato part out. Even then between 469 and 631, where was there ever a notion of naruto loving hinata or thinking of her as more than a friend? We got notions of naruto still loving sakura in the anime even if it was just a filler, yet no time for anything nh related? Does that not speak irony or is nh just too perfect for its assured confidence?

3. Many still think 615 set everything into canon for nh: sorry no just no, neji didn't die for love, he died on his own choice to end the story line involving them all. Didn't anyone see this especially nh fans as the opposite of when we first met neji and how he thought of those 2? Not to mention, where is all the gradual development between pain and this moment to just have gotten naruto looking at her more than sakura? I mean one short memory, that supposed to cut it? It's not like when 615 came around naruto suddenly had resolved everything with sakura, it's not like their story was done. Yet people acted like it was already said and done.

4. Sasusaku is going to happen, Even a simple child knows sasusaku is impossible as the story is written, I seriously question anyone who believes this justification, why is Sasuke suddenly supposed to be overcome with nice feelings for sakura he never had before? Why is sakura only supposed to hope for him to be good? He'll this is why I don't like SS aside from how negative it's been, it's because Sasuke would get another free freaking pass, never mind the heroes merits, everything naruto doing just gets tossed aside again by Sasuke, now I know how angry naruto used to get at Sasuke, people always treated him to like he had a free pass option. Why should everything just fail for him again especially if its also the girl he has made a great friendship with or hokage? Even more, why give hinata a free pass? What is so overly critical about her love compared to narutos for sakura? We see naruto has selfless reasons for his love for sakura, sakura has returned some feelings to naruto, just not love yet, she is starting to distrust Sasuke, people think oh well she will still keep loving him. No okay just no, do people even think these arguements out? The same can be said for narusaku, naruto never stop loving sakura can be so easily said as well. Yet this late I the story, Kishi put a good emphasis on narusaku, we have seen reasons why naruto loves sakura, that fall inline with the main story regarding Sasuke. They act as if sakura loving naruto is impossible, sorry but if sakura can start to distrust Sasuke as she has begun, she can start to gain affection for naruto. Where does hinatas love just suddenly get the right to insert itself? Why do people think hinatas limited merits are worthy of being held on a pedistal? Naruto is the hero, his merits and actions give him the right to his goals above all others first. That's how these stories work, hero basically get the first dibs when it comes to goals being achieved. Hinata is a minor character, her voice in this is much smaller.

5. I am truely ashamed at the western fandom at times, I mean it's not the results of 631, rather its just how could people have honestly been suprised at 631? Not even needing to be pairing oriented, how clear as day did Kishi make sakura and Kushina? I just cannot believe how people cannot read some of the simplist material. For those in the pairing stuff, they either freaked out or just plain denounced the moment when 631 came and acted like it was to be angry at Kishi despite we said this stuff years ahead of time or said it was a joke, misinterpreted, or naruto is not one to listen to Kushina. I'm sorry but at this point it's like, were people also suprised when the geo statue was the ten tails? We're people honestly surprised when naruto would eventually gain control of kuramas power? Are people going to be suprised when naruto succeeds against Sasuke? Seriously, these things are obvious and going to happen or already have, so how hard is it for the brains of the readers to connect an early moment in the series between the hero and heroine to a similar backstory the heroes own mother has? I cannot say I'm suprised by this because literature rates in America have been falling, geez I'm glad I have enough of an education to read well. What's worst of all, this is stuff for middle school boys as the target audience, many who don't even ship anything, so why do people act like its somehow supposed to be ultra cryptic stuff only a few can ever see, is Kishi part of a game of shadows? Hey the only, cryptic things he ever did was mislead people from itachi being evil, tobis identity, and kabutos trump card, everything else is easily seen. The only story element he did himself sometimes the reader had to catch was seeing the hidden in the hidden as they say in the manga, secrets within secrets, yet that hardly comes up anymore. Even then there were visual clues to help warn the reader of something coming up beforehand.

6. Ns is a joke, red herring, etc. sorry but no, this is the worst of all, you don't put in a lot of development t and interaction for nothing, narusaku has the longest built relation ship, as of right now it is the longest built. Yet people think this is all supposed to end and make way for nh which only got a bit more recently within the last 6th if the story. Sorry the truth is if nh happens, nuns was not a red herring, it would still be better developed as mere friendship, ultimately this makes nh look even worse and weaker than it is, if Kishi had out more time in nh in the past like ns, then it would be stronger but he did not. Hinata had no real relevance in part 2 until pain came around, then vanished for more than another 100 chapters before 615. Yes in the 4th war he had a short memory of what she did in pain it that's it, a short memory, if that mattered how many memories of sakura has he held? Those he enjoys? Those important to the story? Heck if 457 was important in sai remembering it, it's also in narutos memory and he knows why he loves sakura but cannot assert himself to tell her yet. So we are to expect ns as something to never occur? Sorry you don't write all this and dump it on someone else. Ns and nh were even at the end of part 1 but ns gained more and more attention, the biggest setup for ns so far can be sakura not trusting Sasuke and how she resolved to help naruto, she cares for naruto, but what will happen when it's Sasuke threatening naruto? Even then hinata has no purpose in the final conflict, mainly because she does not even know Sasuke only that naruto is going to handle him. So how is hinata suddenly to understand narutos conflict with Sasuke? Does she understand it like sakura? No she does not, that's a major weakness of nh right there, even then 631, no matter how its argued, kushinas foreshadow will continue to come into play, sakura being the only girl compared to Kushina so far in canon material is reason enough to consider the potential of ns, what reason is there to change this or suddenly pull it again but on hinata? What reason does minato even have to meet hinata? Much as they others may say parallels do not matter, they do, we have seen them numerous times, 631 is just another. It was written for a reason, minato was around Kushina when they died so how is it wrong in any other way? Sakura is a girl he sees like Kushina, heck the audience should be aware of this by now, yet it's kinda shocking how people just choose to blot this out.

 

That is what I've been seeing too , unfortunately the hate roams our( western side ) of the fandom. People are stuck on part 1 Sakura and fail to see her development ever growing from chapter 3. Others watch the anime which is filled with filler scenes from most of them make Sakura look like a total ... or most people interpret it like this , because they dont know the first thing about tsundre or japanese culture . Sakura is abusive to Naruto she hits him.. So , Naruto is abusive to Konohamaru then? He hit him more than 4-5 times for being an idiot or just being in his way . What does that make Naruto? Yep, an abusive bas... No , just no.. And there comes the selective reading , boy i loathe this more than anything its only usage is when you  are doing a test of biology why dont you then you have to read the most important information indeed , because you have time limit , but then again you are reading this Manga out of enjoyment ,right? So basically you have a lot of time.

How are you suppose to agree with those ''arguments'' they rather make no freaking sense or just are illogical to begin with or they downplay ns moments calling them a joke , because maybe they wanted it to be , but too bad for them its only wishful thinking . I think some people enjoy pissing us off , but why , its still alludes me ..

 

469 , i have been thinking about it lately and came up with the idea that Kishimoto tried to express and give to us the readers .. Its understanding . The understanding of the other person's pain and also lifting the curtain of self misleading that some people are great . It brought closeness , it brought selfless love and choice on Sakura's end . Now people believe that Naruto rejected her , which is more than dumb , because if the narrative or the verbiage doesn't tell you , how are they to tell that its the opposite?
The whole '' I hate/don't like/can't stand people who are lying to themselfs'' interprets as rejection , that's not rejection folks its disbelieve . Disbelieve that she is over/doesn't care anymore about Sasuke, which was the OBVIOUS lie which  people missed then proclaimed NS dead and an opening for nh.....
But did Naruto ever told Sakura I hate you ? Did he say/show any signs of moving on? NO, in fact after his talk with his mom we see him with a big grin facing Sakura saving her from Zetsus and showing off , those little thing are left aside . Some don't know of Kishi's statement or try to ignore it like they always do to everything , which makes me thing , why do they even read his work in the first place ?

If Naruto moves on from Sakura without confessing wouldn't that be a contradictory to his nindo? I mean he said he will confess so he will how can that be avoided ? No clue . I gotta say that is why Hinata slapped him , because he was ready to give up/in when Neji died , so she reminded him his words and his nindo which she adores the most in him . Tell me how will she feel after 631  the ns hug and him giving up and going to her and saying '' I love you , i moved on''? I think it will turn bad and she will reject him , or that is just me ?
Neji didn't die for their bloody ship he died on his own free will , protecting them and freeing himself from the cursed mark showing them that he has changed his opinion towards them and reminding Naruto that he is not the first person who died for him. Then Hinata and   mostly Kurama's words did the trick to bring him on his feet filled with confidence and courage to go on.. 615 Hinata was speaking on behalf of the group using familial words like ''I've always believed in you , you have to believe in yourself , you have to WE have to. So , get your crap together and fight '' Which was great , but people turn this into romance which was not the point of the chapter , the point was the support and help which EVERYONE gives to Naruto .  That is the problem , misreading/misunderstanding the details and there you have it , we have a great misconception which leads to many conflicts/fights  in the fandoms .

 

There you have it , Sasuke never had more than platonic relation/feeling toward Sakura ,ever. He protected her 1,2 times complimented her genjustu talent even though he made her feel very bad before that. If we think about it , won't it be good , if Sasuke had any say in the matter? What about his feelings , what if he finds someone else attractive or doesn't have any concern in romantical aspect at all ? Why is does it lead to a recoil towards Sakura ? Why are her feelings so important in this relationship , when she cant even state one good reason for them? When was the last time she wanted to be his GF? When did she admit that she still loves him , i mean openly? If we take 540 as a fact then its true love , but if we take 631 and Naruto's words flying out of his mouth are a joke or he was confused ? Someone please explain those questions to me because i am sencierly  lost . The selfless and selfish part , now that made me think ; Maybe kishi wrote the manga with that purpose if we think about it the fight between the YounG and the Older sons were about leading with Love and the other with Power and that makes me thing to see the difference in ideals and how people think , diversely from one another . Maybe that is the whole point of the manga , the selfless love to triumph over the selfish ? Dunno , its a long shot .

 

How can't they ignore them? The merits i mean , he does half of the things in the manga for Sakura , he saved her from Gaara never took credit to tell how he felt , he sucked up every drop of sadness and disappointment in front of the gate of Konoha and made the POAL to Sakura to bring Sasuke back to HER FOR HER , and some people forget that . Yes , he wants to bring Sasuke of himself too but half of it is for Sakura and that is undeniable . SS ships sails so many ears thanks to Naruto , and they forget his feelings or toss them aside just like that? It seems to me that they don't get the massage of the manga at all . That is what disappoints me the most , why forget all the things he did for her , just like that ? I can't find an answer on my own , unfortunately .  When she was ready to give up on Sasuke so many times and the most crucial part was the hospital scene when Naruto was injured badly , he inspired her , cheered her up just to see her smiling face again , and guess what ? YEP, she smiled from ear to ear .

And that is the whole point , love is not deserving its something to be EARNED , just like respect .
 

I'm ashamed too , but it cant be helped , they have to seek knowledge for themselfs , to see what some of us see maybe then we will come to an understanding , of course people will always disagree but when logic and facts are involved even the toughest case can be easy solved and an agreement can be reached , because its logic which help us foresee what will eventually come to be . Sure , we have to fallow our hearts , but that doesn't mean to leave logic and reason behind .. Even though those who've increased knowledge , increased sorrow . We can state our point of view , but its up to them to asunder right from wrong.

 

631 came and did a great job , it brought the monster hiding under the bed and broke the silence where people were roaming for a long time . They can say w/e they want ,deep down they know whats coming and its not pretty .. I've debated with a nh fan for 7to9 times in which he lost and his final words to me were .'' well , at least we still have Sasuke'' by that he meant that nh won't happen because Naruto loves Sakura , but there is still a bump on the road Sakura's feelings. Well, 635 came along and the inpatience and fear escalated to no describable level . what  i am saying and the only thing that is keeping SS at this point somewhat alive is Sakura's ambiguous feelings for him and the leap of faith that Sasuke will fall in love and Sakura will be rewarded for her patient love , which makes no sense since she has feelings for Naruto too and confessed lie or not she did and he seems to believe her . Parallels in this manga a are powerful engine and the fear of them brings denial , that is why kushina=/=sakura and hinata=minato , but then again Naruto's mom told him to find a girl like her ,right? But lets ignore that too .
Then comes my final question when/if NS becomes canon what will the opposite camps do? It wont be pretty though.

Edited by Psychox, 11 August 2013 - 07:19 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Why many fan think sakura failed or not deserved as a main character/ heroine?

No idea. It's most likely have to do with the start. I won't be surprised. I would say in quality really depends on the ending, though that is to say to many characters. Still, this is a development that is being looked on heavily and if it gets messed up, criticism will hit hard. It's like having an original story. When you have something fresh and new, the audience will be heavily invested and one slip up can destroy their likes.

[Masque]

Why many fan think sakura failed or not deserved as a main character/ heroine?

 

Probably because people were tired of seeing her flaws hammered at them so frequently. Its alright that she was meant to be human and able to be related to, but lets be honest how high of an opinion would you have of somebody who keeps pining over huge (arguably evil) jerk. We have a tendency to judge these characters how we would judge real people in the world we live in, you might pity a girl who keeps going back to an abusive relationship with several murder attempts but you would hardly see them as a hero, someone to be admired. That she is the heroine cannot be disputed but the amount of time she was mired in her anguished love for Sasuke left a poor taste with a lot of Naruto audience not just the pairing centric audience.

Edited by Masque, 11 August 2013 - 07:59 PM.

[Inferno180]

No idea. It's most likely have to do with the start. I won't be surprised. I would say in quality really depends on the ending, though that is to say to many characters. Still, this is a development that is being looked on heavily and if it gets messed up, criticism will hit hard. It's like having an original story. When you have something fresh and new, the audience will be heavily invested and one slip up can destroy their likes.

 

There are many reasons, it ranges from general preference and interpretation to outright lack of information or differences in culture. Some of the smallest are like those who just don't mind or care for Sakura but know her role, others its a bit in between like the rational pairing fans or those who know what Sakura is about and her development yet Hinata or others still take precedence over her to them. Then you get those with the outrageous claims or don't know what they are talking about like for Sakura always hitting Naruto as its said, why is Sakura the one to gather all this attention? Why not the other female anime characters who do the same thing? Others may not know the concept of a tsundere, going from affection to temperamental. Sakura in her case was all kind to Sasuke and all hate to Naruto, but now she is much more caring towards Naruto and much less temperamental but only for the reasons needed like him being an idiot or something. Then you get some of the most outrageous like those who claim Sakura is just some hate filled witch and unsuited for Naruto and Hinata is some perfect goddess. One of the worst cases of insane anti-Sakura views came from RtN in which they got angry Sakura was starring with Naruto in that movie and then AU HInata shows up and yet personifies Sakura they always claimed her to be, and yet they just worshipped this Hinata like the real Hinata should be this. They always spent time hating Sakura and claiming her to be what AU Hinata was and when AU Hinata came around, they said she is some ideal or great match for Naruto unlike Sakura. This was one of the biggest double standards I ever saw and just couldn't stomach the logic these fans used. But fanbase views range immensely, when it comes to Sakura there are minor ones and then you get major ones. Its like some people saw the Sakura-Kushina stuff coming in 631 even if they hated Sakura, others and I mean a lot of people acted like Huh? Is Kishi drunk of something? Is Minato been doing drugs? Sakura like Kushina? No way that can be true its just a joke or a way to mislead people. Or it became something else like WTF Kishi? You are ruining the story! Didn't you just confirm NH as the canon couple! Whats funny in the second statement, the development of NS was nowhere near done yet people thought it was just somehow ended.