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#5521 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 03:34 PM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Nov 24 2012, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also remember how in the Team Minato photo they are also in reversed positions.

Maybe it was foreshadowing how eventually their roles would be reversed even though they started the same way as Naruto and Sasuke.

In the past:
Naruto = Obito / Sasuke = Kakashi

In the present:
Naruto = Kakashi / Sasuke = Obito

In the present Naruto =/= kakashi
i think kakashi more like neutral for me, naruto is different from kakashi in many ways, naruto change people with ideals, naruto changed kakashi, Kakashi lived in despair, obito is not sasuke because different than sasuke, obito has ideals he wants peace after losing the girl he loves and lose the faith on the world, he does not care about the world he does not have revenge ideals or things like that.

Naruto hasnt kill a single ninja on the whole series, naruto is still innocent.
Kakashi on other hand is cold when he needs to be he is the one who got his hands dirty, he's the one who lands the finishing blow.
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It's not speculation the uzumakis do survive after they have the bijuu extracted this is not speculation this is a fact stated by obito himself.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:02 PM

QUOTE (Quinny52 @ Nov 24 2012, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
While you make a valid point if you apply real-life physics, it poses a problem, if dehydration was an issue for the victim, wouldn't the case also apply to the culprits as well? Remeber, while the extraction ritual was underway, the Akatsuki members could'nt physically move, and they had to remain concentrated on the ritual. They couldn't eat, drink and had to remain mentally focused during this as well... If anything THEY were more at risk of death from lack of nourishment than the jinchuuriki.


They didn't need to be perfectly concentrated, Remember Itachi and Kisame used used some sort of clone jutsu to fight Team Kakashi and Team Guy Respectfully.

Also only two of them were actually physically there, Sasori who has a puppet body and thus no longer needs water to function and Deidera who for all we know may be drinking out of one of his mouths, plus we know that all of them are not needed as when they were extracting Gyuki form "B" there were only three of them, it is entirely possible that they take small brakes to drink rehydrate.

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With Kushina however, you got other things to consider; the seal was already weakend by the labour of childbirth, and Obito is an Uchiha augmented with Senju cells, and knowledge of jinchuuriki seals which he obviously gained from Madara. He struck at the opportune moment and with Kurama free enough to place genjutsu on it, Obito didn't have to exert that much effort to break the seal. What the manga has so far confirmed is that it is the extraction ITSELF which is fatal to a jinchuuriki, not the MANNER or DURATION of it. If the later two were the case, than I would wonder why Obito was ultimately so surprised to find that Kushina was still alive.


True the weakened seal could affect the duration but it could also be the reason Kushina survived as long as she did. After all while Obito would have had to have been told how to extract a Tailed Beast by Madara, from what we know Madara never extracted a Tailed Beast from anyone much less extracted one from a Jinchuriki who had just given birth.

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Which brings me to my previous post; while I don't believe Kurama's chakra is that much different from its brethren, the fact is that it is the strongest of the Nine, with almost limitless chakra, and as such is perhaps the only Bijuu that must be sealed within an individual descended from the Sage's lineage. Think about it, all of Kurama's hosts have been Uzumaki clans(wo)men, and before them Hashirama Senju controlled it, and Madara Uchiha before him. Now that I think about it, have you ever wondered why Kurama is the only Bijuu so far that can be physically summoned by contract? Perhaps further evidence of my above theory.


True but there is one wild card, actually two, the Gold and Silver brothers, somehow they were able to retain Kurama's Chakra from eating parts of his stomach, someone else from Kumo tried eating one of Gyuki's tentacles and died, either the Gold and Silver brothers are also descended of the Sage (which is possible) or there is some other factor in the mix.

As for the summoning, we are told that all the the Tailed Beasts are capable of using the Tailed Beast Ball/Bomb but we are not shown if Skukaku can, does that mean he can't? no it just means we haven't seen it and on that same merit we know that Kurama can be summoned with the Summoning Jutsu be dose that mean that the others can't no, it could just be that Madara was the first one to summon a Tailed Beast using the Summoning Jutsu. Of course that is just speculation, we would need more evidence to know for sure.

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Nov 24 2012, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It's not speculation the uzumakis do survive after they have the bijuu extracted this is not speculation this is a fact stated by obito himself.


There are just to many wild cards for me, like I said to Quinny52 the fact that her seal was weakened at the time could be a reason she did not die automatically, furthermore we would have to see ether Naruto or B have there Tailed Beast extrated via the same jutsu in order to determine if
  1. A Jinchuriki is supposed to die immediately after the extraction or if they can survive a while after the extraction
  2. The state of Kushina's seal had anything to do with how fast the extraction was.
  3. Furthermore if you recall Kushina was special even among the Uzumaki clan, how can we determine if her surviving was something that runs in the entire Uzumaki clan or if it was like Hashirama's Wood Release where none of his descendents received even though it was a Kekkei Genkai


Another factor is the translation, as we can see with recent chapter between MangaPanda and MangaStream we have to very different translations, yes Obito was surprised that Kushina was able to survive, but I've read a translation somewhere where he also attributed her survival to the Uzumaki clan's vitality. But it was never stated in any translation that she would be able to survive past the night, Even she didn't think she would survive the night.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 24 2012, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are just to many wild cards for me, like I said to Quinny52 the fact that her seal was weakened at the time could be a reason she did not die automatically, furthermore we would have to see ether Naruto or B have there Tailed Beast extrated via the same jutsu in order to determine if
  1. A Jinchuriki is supposed to die immediately after the extraction or if they can survive a while after the extraction
  2. The state of Kushina's seal had anything to do with how fast the extraction was.
  3. Furthermore if you recall Kushina was special even among the Uzumaki clan, how can we determine if her surviving was something that runs in the entire Uzumaki clan or if it was like Hashirama's Wood Release where none of his descendents received even though it was a Kekkei Genkai


Another factor is the translation, as we can see with recent chapter between MangaPanda and MangaStream we have to very different translations, yes Obito was surprised that Kushina was able to survive, but I've read a translation somewhere where he also attributed her survival to the Uzumaki clan's vitality. But it was never stated in any translation that she would be able to survive past the night, Even she didn't think she would survive the night.


I think i dont even need to respond this, obito said she survived because she was a uzumaki, all the jinchuurikis of the leaf were uzumaki plus the fact the cloud tried to kidnap kushina.

About Hashirama even thought he was a senju he was special and hashirama had no children he died on "one of the several wars...", he was special like itachi, shisui( which his sharingan was able to control other people minds) and etc...

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:17 PM

QUOTE (Codus N @ Nov 24 2012, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How's this, then??


If it's foreshadowing then it's showing their roles like how Obito changed like Sasuke, not their similarity cause Kakashi is not that similar in his character to Naruto.
If it's not from the data book, it could be from between part 1/2 like you said or it's made by a fan.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:13 PM

QUOTE (T XD @ Nov 24 2012, 10:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If it's foreshadowing then it's showing their roles like how Obito changed like Sasuke, not their similarity cause Kakashi is not that similar in his character to Naruto.
If it's not from the data book, it could be from between part 1/2 like you said or it's made by a fan.

it's not foreshadowing you simply forgot that this is from kakashi's arc we already knew about obito, this picture is from kakashi's arc before the begining of shippuuden.
the order does not matter it does not say anything.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:22 PM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Nov 24 2012, 02:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
About Hashirama even thought he was a senju he was special and hashirama had no children he died on "one of the several wars...", he was special like itachi, shisui( which his sharingan was able to control other people minds) and etc...

Hashirama Senju did have children. Otherwise Tsunade could not be his granddaughter.




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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:24 PM

QUOTE (KnS @ Nov 24 2012, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hashirama Senju did have children. Otherwise Tsunade could not be his granddaughter.


Yeah i forgot that. LOL

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Edited by dovahkiin, 24 November 2012 - 11:25 PM.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:23 AM

Hi! happy.gif I'd like to know what do you think about the chapter 579? .. more exactly about Naruto/Hinata conversation and about Neji/Hinata reaction .. I read a lot of persons claiming it as an confirmation that Naruto may have changed his feelings for Hinata ( that he's probably starting to accept Hinata's feelings for him) It's all based on the fact that Neji and Hinata (and most based in Neji's reaction cuz he had the Byakugan activated and could sense feelings?) and cuz after that Hinata claimed that she will be with Naruto at the end ( "hold hand" speech). what do you thing about this? could it really be a confirmation about NaruHina? I really feel down because I do not know how to analyze this scene anymore...I really need some opinions.. shamefulcry0js.gif

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:41 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Nov 25 2012, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi! happy.gif I'd like to know what do you think about the chapter 579? .. more exactly about Naruto/Hinata conversation and about Neji/Hinata reaction .. I read a lot of persons claiming it as an confirmation that Naruto may have changed his feelings for Hinata ( that he's probably starting to accept Hinata's feelings for him) It's all based on the fact that Neji and Hinata (and most based in Neji's reaction cuz he had the Byakugan activated and could sense feelings?) and cuz after that Hinata claimed that she will be with Naruto at the end ( "hold hand" speech). what do you thing about this? could it really be a confirmation about NaruHina? I really feel down because I do not know how to analyze this scene anymore...I really need some opinions.. shamefulcry0js.gif

Naruto didn't express anything towards Hinata that he didn't already express for her more strongly back in the chuunin exams:

Mild concern:


Gratitude:


Acknowledging Hinata's strength:


As for Neji, it could just as easily be him acting like an overprotective big brother as him having some sort of non-platonic/romantic feelings for her (the fact that he called her cute when he first met her could lean in favor of this interpretation).
Cheering Hinata Up/Encouraging Hinata:


Understanding:


Or, as some NH fans argue it, Intimacy:


Nothing from Naruto's side indicates that he feels any differently for her than before, much less romantically. He didn't blush, or give her any sort of especially fond expression. He thanked her for saving him before, gave her a pep talk (giving her a generic smile and glancing at her over his shoulder), and was on his way. The "seeing into each other's eyes" isn't romantic here, because its not like they are gazing deeply into each other's eyes or anything.

Even Hinata's reaction to Naruto's pep talk is not really any different than her reaction to his pep talk before:


If Hinata became this confident/determined because she supposedly saw some sign of reciprocation in Naruto, then wouldn't she have thought of Naruto's feelings at least once in 573 on her way to the summit, instead of focusing on her own feelings?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:58 AM

QUOTE (Tsubaki @ Nov 24 2012, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi! happy.gif I'd like to know what do you think about the chapter 579? .. more exactly about Naruto/Hinata conversation and about Neji/Hinata reaction .. I read a lot of persons claiming it as an confirmation that Naruto may have changed his feelings for Hinata ( that he's probably starting to accept Hinata's feelings for him) It's all based on the fact that Neji and Hinata (and most based in Neji's reaction cuz he had the Byakugan activated and could sense feelings?) and cuz after that Hinata claimed that she will be with Naruto at the end ( "hold hand" speech). what do you thing about this? could it really be a confirmation about NaruHina? I really feel down because I do not know how to analyze this scene anymore...I really need some opinions.. shamefulcry0js.gif

Paptala's post is very logical and correct (as usual), but if you'd like additional argument you could read my assessment of #559 (a supposedly big NH chapter) that can be found here.

Also, about the bolded part of your post -- the Byakugan cannot sense feelings. It gives the user almost 360-degree vision, can see through solid objects, and see chakra and how it flows inside an opponent's body, but it doesn't read feelings or tell the user anything about someone's emotions. So you don't have to worry about Hinata (or Neji, for that matter) having "inside" information about Naruto's feelings. It's not possible based on what we know about the Byakugan.




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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:05 AM

QUOTE (KnS @ Nov 25 2012, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Paptala's post is very logical and correct (as usual), but if you'd like additional argument you could read my assessment of #559 (a supposedly big NH chapter) that can be found here.

Also, about the bolded part of your post -- the Byakugan cannot sense feelings. It gives the user almost 360-degree vision, can see through solid objects, and see chakra and how it flows inside an opponent's body, but it doesn't read feelings or tell the user anything about someone's emotions. So you don't have to worry about Hinata (or Neji, for that matter) having "inside" information about Naruto's feelings. It's not possible based on what we know about the Byakugan.

I don't know if I read your post before, but this is a very interesting take on that chapter rereading it now - the whole "looking into each other's eyes" thing being about establishing identity and trust enough to fight with one another seems indeed like the logical interpretation of things.

And of course, comparing that with how Naruto looks around the girl that he is established to be in love with (and him not looking at Hinata that way at all).

Excellent, concise, and a pleasure to read as always.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:52 AM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Nov 24 2012, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't know if I read your post before, but this is a very interesting take on that chapter rereading it now - the whole "looking into each other's eyes" thing being about establishing identity and trust enough to fight with one another seems indeed like the logical interpretation of things.

In all honesty, I don't see any other sensible way it could be interpreted. The entire premise of the scene is that Naruto's identity is questioned, and their trust has been violated by the White Zetsu clones. So yes, it's about establishing identity and trust. Nothing more.

Subtextually, it's my opinion that Kishimoto was using it -- perhaps contrived the entire scene -- to show that absolutely nothing has changed between Naruto and Hinata. As your panel comparisons above so readily prove, Hinata's most recent scenes with Naruto are nothing more than rehashes of previous scenes. (That's actually true even of her confession in the Pein arc; much of what she said there she rehashes in #573.)

In his own way, Naruto was thanking Hinata for attempting to save him during the Pein arc -- and he definitely owed her that. But otherwise there was nothing new to go over because Hinata's personality and abilities are unchanged, and Naruto's feelings are unchanged.


QUOTE (Paptala @ Nov 24 2012, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And of course, comparing that with how Naruto looks around the girl that he is established to be in love with (and him not looking at Hinata that way at all).

Those panels -- of Naruto's initial gut/emotional reaction to hearing Sakura say she loves him (in #469) -- say EVERYTHING about his feelings. They reflect the very first thing he felt -- what was in his heart. He has never looked at Hinata that way.

In fact, when you go back and look at Naruto's face when Hinata says she loves him (in #437) it's a bug-eyed, totally shocked, WTF? expression -- and completely different than the sweet, hopeful, loving expression when Sakura says it.


QUOTE (Paptala @ Nov 24 2012, 10:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Excellent, concise, and a pleasure to read as always.

Thanks! As Spock would say, "I endeavor to be accurate." happy.gif





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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:59 AM

QUOTE (dovahkiin @ Nov 24 2012, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think i dont even need to respond this, obito said she survived because she was a uzumaki, all the jinchuurikis of the leaf were uzumaki plus the fact the cloud tried to kidnap kushina.

About Hashirama even thought he was a senju he was special and hashirama had no children he died on "one of the several wars...", he was special like itachi, shisui( which his sharingan was able to control other people minds) and etc...

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Then how come everyone else including Kushina seems to indicate that she was not going to survive?

Also you say Hashirama and Shisui are special but it is also stated that Kushina is special too, in fact that is why she was chosen from among the entire Uzumaki Clan to become Kurama's Jinchuuriki, and why she was kidnapped by the Cloud.

Like I said before there are just too many X-factors for me to tell if it is a trait shared among all the Uzumaki or if it was a due to unique circumstances.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:25 PM

KnS & Paptala

I love reading your guys post, it makes all the sense logically speaking, they try keeping all fairness while trying to avoid biased opinion and more importantly you don't sense that fantard (twisting logic) feelings you normally get when reading other post.

I really love reading your guys post. love.gif


Oh by the way this doesn't mean that I don't like the other users post because they nice too, it's only that KnS & Paptala Post are really good.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 04:24 PM

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First of all thank you for spending you time to read that rant, I really appreciate it means a lot. Also I want to thank everyone who actually read it. It means that I wasn’t wasting my time. Much obliged.
Secondly I really have no real problem with people who like Naruhina or Sasusaku, everyone is free to support what they like. My problem is with ignorant people, which almost all of the NH fans are. I only saw one girl on a forum that liked SS and she admitted that paring most likely isn’t going to happen and I actually congratulated her for not being ignorant.
To be honest I went overboard in my rant when I talked about Hinata and that’s because I’m a “Naruto” fan and I like the story, the characters etc. the reason I said what I said about her is because I want more from her. Something besides her obsession with Naruto, I mean she is the only one of the rookies that has no development what so ever, the only real development is that she was big balloons and that’s it. If you really look at the manga team 8 became team B, Kiba has the most development from that team after him there’s Shino who got some development in part 1 and Hinata who was nothing. Everyone had a moment where they shined, they showed how much they improved (Naruto, Sakura, Shikamaru, Chouji, etc.). The reason I said that there are two Hinata is because it’s true. The anime team basically took Kishi’s Hinata and threw almost all of her away only a couple of attributes remain and even those are modified. The anime Hinata is cute, sweet, strong, smart, actually did something in the storyline, she’s a good person, all around she is a good character, likable, the anime team basically made her into a main character. I really have no problem with this Hinata, like I said she is likable character. But that’s also where the problem appears because that’s not the real Hinata, she is not Kishis Hinata. All of her fans are in love with the anime Hinata not Kishis Hinata. The problem I have with Kishis Hinata is the fact that she hasn’t improved at all, she did nothing in the entire storyline, it’s just “Naruto-kun”, “Naruto-kun” and of course “Naruto-kun”. That’s it. Her entire character is basically “Naruto-kun”. And I have a problem with that because I want more.

Yeah no problem your post was definetly worth the reading, tell me how long did it take you to write that post, let alone analyze ALL that stuff in the manga and the BS of hinata? and honestly i dont give a damn about hinata, wait, are you trying to say that hinata has the potential to be your favourite character if it weren't for all the "naruto-kuns"? err.gif i dunno about you man but as long as kishi doesn't care or develope that tart, couldn't have asked for better writing, i mean just looking at her go makes my guts burn, and honestly why WOULD kishi wanna develope hinata? theres no need, just as you stated in your rant shes an insignificant character that doesn't affect nor change the story so why care? am i right? Nostradamus ma man? wink.gif

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Nov 25 2012, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
KnS & Paptala

I love reading your guys post, it makes all the sense logically speaking, they try keeping all fairness while trying to avoid biased opinion and more importantly you don't sense that fantard (twisting logic) feelings you normally get when reading other post.

I really love reading your guys post. love.gif


Oh by the way this doesn't mean that I don't like the other users post because they nice too, it's only that KnS & Paptala Post are really good.

Thanks so much!


I try not to twist the facts, because that's something that really frustrates me in shipping arguments (that and denial of facts/moments). Your posts are also really good in that respect, in trying to look at things objectively, both here and on NF. I've always appreciated them for that, especially that one post in the NH discussion thread where you pointed out that double standard (I think it was about Naruto being too busy to think about Hinata and her confession, so him not thinking about her confession isn't a bad thing, but Naruto not thinking of his feelings for Sakura in 150 some odd chapters means he's moved on from her).

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:15 PM

I think it's been discussed before but Ill bring it up again:

Whenever the plot references Sakura's love for Sasuke and Hinata's love for Naruto, it's always about how those sentiments affect them. I don't remember any time in which they reflect about how they want to make the boys they love happy.

With Sakura it's always about how Sasuke's darkness pains her, but the one that's fighting to erase that darkness is Naruto not her. With Hinata it's all about how she takes strength on her admiration of Naruto, but you never see her ponder about Naruto's hardships like Sakura does.

On the other hand, when it comes to Naruto's feelings for Sakura he's always shown reflecting on the fact the Sakura doesn't like him back, but that even then he only cares for her to be happy.

I'm not saying that the girls feelings are bad, I'm just trying to point out interesting difference between how they feel and how Naruto feels. I actually finds Hinata's love very sweet and Sakura's love very tragic, I see it as the kind of love that is there only for the sake of development but not to be realized.

Slightly different topic:

Even when Sakura tried to kill Sasuke the only reason she took action was to protect Naruto from further suffering. Some people tend to forget that and think she when to kill Sasuke solely out of her love for him. If Sai hadn't told Sakura how she was making Naruto suffer with her promise I'm sure that when Shikamaru had come to tell Sakura about the group's decision to kill Sasuke the first thing she would've done is object and tell them to have faith in Naruto.

When Sai explained the whole "It's because she loves him", he was merely pointing out to Naruto how Sakura had genuine motivation to kill Sasuke despite her feelings for him. Naruto didn't believe Sakura would be capable of killing Sasuke since she loves him, but Sai explained how it was because of her love that she would be able to. In other words, Sakura went to kill Sasuke to protect Naruto, and Sai explained to him why she would be able to do it despite her feelings for Sasuke.

If Naruto didn't keep her faith alive she would've thought about killing Sasuke a long time ago, but now that she realized that Naruto was suffering in order to help Sasuke she had two options:

1) Let Naruto suffer more for the slight chance that he could save Sasuke
2) Protect Naruto and let Sasuke sink further down having no option but to kill him

In the end, by choosing the second option even if she still has feelings for Sasuke she chose Naruto over him during the Summit Arc. When Sakura went to Iron Country, if she was taking into consideration her feelings for Sasuke more than her feelings for Naruto I don't think she would've gone and confessed to Naruto (regardless of what was true and lie).

Now, when it comes to Hinata's "holding your hand, walking with you" speech, regardless of whether she meant it in a romantic way or not, you can still notice that she's focusing on how she can improve herself even further. Hinata never goes about how she can help Naruto, what she desires is to become someone who doesn't have to stand in the shadows anymore. Unlike Sakura who only desires to help Naruto in whatever way she can, what Hinata wants it to be self reliable just like her hero, Naruto, is.

Hinata wants the courage to stand up for what she believes in the face of danger, and as of her latest appearance it seems she's finally getting the bravery to do just that. Regardless of her romantic intentions, she wants to hold Naruto's hand for her own sake, not his. And that not a bad thing, but I think that Naruto's selfless love goes above any romantic intentions Hinata has.

In a nutshell, Hinata wants to get stronger to get confidence on herself, but Sakura wants to get stronger to protect her friends.

#5538 Don-kun

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:52 PM

QUOTE (Paptala @ Nov 25 2012, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks so much!


I try not to twist the facts, because that's something that really frustrates me in shipping arguments (that and denial of facts/moments). Your posts are also really good in that respect, in trying to look at things objectively, both here and on NF. I've always appreciated them for that, especially that one post in the NH discussion thread where you pointed out that double standard (I think it was about Naruto being too busy to think about Hinata and her confession, so him not thinking about her confession isn't a bad thing, but Naruto not thinking of his feelings for Sakura in 150 some odd chapters means he's moved on from her).

You welcome. smile.gif

The Irony of some fans. facepalm.png

About my post, well that is only because of people like CG, You, shurei, Benz and others wisdom while I balance those opinions with Seto Kaiba arguments who by the way is a big Sakura and Naruto hater and at the same time really dislikes NS.




#5539 Sakamaki Izayoi

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE (Don-kun @ Nov 25 2012, 06:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You welcome. smile.gif

The Irony of some fans. facepalm.png

About my post, well that is only because of people like CG, You, shurei, Benz and others wisdom while I balance those opinions with Seto Kaiba arguments who by the way is a big Sakura and Naruto hater and at the same time really dislikes NS.

The irony we already know this so just accept it and ignore.

You should use this (° ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) argument instead, it always works.


Edited by dovahkiin, 25 November 2012 - 07:38 PM.

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#5540 candycane-chan

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

I'm liking all your posts guys wow.png
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Edited by candycane-chan, 25 November 2012 - 07:54 PM.





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