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[merryGOflava]

hypothetically, if naruto and sakura first met each other as they were back in part 2, how do you think their relationship would have progressed?

well im not sure if naruto would have had a crush on sakura....

naruto would probably think shes pretty but be a little scared of her XD cause hes wouldnt be used to the way she acts.

[Phantom_999]

What chapter does it say where Naruto loves her. Does he ever give an indication that he loves her? Sure his devotion for her is big but that does not equal love. Even sakura herself said that naruto would be a fool to love her. Yamato's unfinished sentence just means she cares for him. NOTHING MORE. He barely knew them for 4 days. How could he understand anything.

Welcome back! okay for starters there are several instances that shows Naruto loves Sakura: It was said by Sai in Chapter 459 which was kind of a wake-up slap for her, you see Naruto blushing when Sakura offered to feed him in chapter 343, asking her out after the bell test at the beginning of part II, conssidering her feeings when being confrinted by Karui and Omoi in chapter 453, and I can go on besides Naruto is a stereotypical kind of male main characrter; they can't get their feelings out properly or don't dwell on them because of their burdens so you have to deeper to notice their romantic interest. Yamato said Sakura's feelings for Naruto were strong before he was interrupted So he couldn't mean anything other that what Sakura feels for Naruto is more than just friendship. Lastly Sakura only called Naruto an idiot of loving her because she felt unworthy of his affections as she finally understood that he loves her (As stated above, Sai told her) yet she only caused him pain by giving him such a heavy burden to saddle without realizing how he felt for so long

Edited by Phantom_999, 26 September 2011 - 09:29 PM.

[FoolishYoungling]

What chapter does it say where Naruto loves her. Does he ever give an indication that he loves her? Sure his devotion for her is big but that does not equal love. Even sakura herself said that naruto would be a fool to love her. Yamato's unfinished sentence just means she cares for him. NOTHING MORE. He barely knew them for 4 days. How could he understand anything.

Uhhh, nots a weird question. I'll list one though... Sai ask Naruto why he hasen't told Sakura he loves her yet and he replies with "How could I tell her, I can't even keep a promise to her". I guess he thinks he isn't man enough for Sakura yet and thus he will keep fighting for her with his never give up attitude. Plus, if Yamato meant care for as a friend, why would he of added so much dramatic expressions to his tone and face? Plus, when Sakura was confessing her love to Naruto (which is true for reasons I already told you) when she talked about Sasuke Yamato was the first person to jump in to try to stop it. Don't beleive me? Go back and watch more carefully.

Edited by NaruSaku1, 25 September 2011 - 06:22 PM.

[Super Boom]

What chapter does it say where Naruto loves her. Does he ever give an indication that he loves her? Sure his devotion for her is big but that does not equal love. Even sakura herself said that naruto would be a fool to love her. Yamato's unfinished sentence just means she cares for him. NOTHING MORE. He barely knew them for 4 days. How could he understand anything.

I guess there's no point reiterating what everyone else has said, but it's been mentioned through Sai's flashback, and through Sai himself, that Naruto is in love with Sakura. Sure he hasn't said it himself, but that certainly doesn't disqualify it as proof of Naruto's feelings. If you look at the scene from a story-telling perspective, there is no other reason to have that flashback, and to have Sai give his speech on Naruto's feelings, if not to show the audience that Naruto is in love with her.

This goes for the Tenchi bridge scene as well. You can look at these scenes from a character's perspective, and just say, "Oh, Yamato and Sai were just wrong about their feelings for each other. That explains it", but the truth is these panels were inserted into the manga for a reason. I think the key to better understanding manga like this, and this goes towards N/S fans too, is to stop reading from a vicarious perspective the entire time, and occasionally step back and look at it from an overall story-telling perspective. Why is this being mentioned? Why is he saying that? How does this relate to the overall context of the manga? These are the questions you need to ask if you want to get a better understanding of the overall story.

Not that vicariousness is necessarily a bad thing. In fact, I'd say a good portion of shipping fans initially become involved in their fandom simply out of rooting for their favorite character to hook up with the character of the opposite (or same) gender they find most attractive, or just like the most. I know that's been the case with me many a time.

I think what he/she meant was in a romantic context, that "positive interaction" was in no way romantic or have anything to do with that direction, but however, if you look at it from a friendship context, then yes, it was positive. Of course, this may or may not leave the door open for more of their romantic development. Depends on how one looks at it.

Actually, and I'm too lazy to look up what he/she said, but I was responding to a comment that read along the lines of, "Naruto won't want anything to do with Sakura after her confession." So I was actually stepping back and proving that, at the very least, there are clearly no hard feelings over what happened in 469/470.

EDIT: @Namaenash: True, it's pretty freakin' obvious they'd take it to the next level one day, but as of now, they're still stuck in the friendship stage.

Yeah, that could be the case, but there really isn't much to go on to make an assumption either way. Naruto and Sakura have only had a few interactions since her confession, and only once since they returned to the village. Naruto has thought of her in a positive light a few times, but, the way I see it, Kishi could go either way with their next meeting. I think it's pretty obvious they will move past the friendship stage at some point, but the two haven't really seen each other a whole lot together since the war started. The last time they talked face-to-face, the impression I got was that there was a little bit of awkwardness between them, so I guess I just assumed they haven't quite gone back to way they were prior to her confession.

are you kidding??? talking to a naruhina is fun!! look how bustling this thread is!

i hope they come back!! cause reading what everyone has to say is making me love narusaku even MORE

Ha ha, that's actually my stance on what's going. Reading people's responses to members of the opposing fandom(s) is a great way to restore/build confidence, especially in this fandom, where we have so many knowledgeable members. I highly recommend going on Youtube and watching some of Paptala's or Slexstrem's rants/anti-rants if you haven't already. I usually don't like that sort of thing, but those two do an amazing job at responding to/debunking assertions made by the opposition.

[Paptala]

Yamato's unfinished sentence just means she cares for him. NOTHING MORE. He barely knew them for 4 days. How could he understand anything.

Just wanted to address some things about this point in addition to what others have already said.

Sakura already was well aware that she cares about Naruto in a platonic manner - she wouldn't have run to Naruto, been worrying so much about him, defending him, etc. otherwise.

Thus, it would make zero sense for Sakura to be as shocked as she was, and for Kishimoto to emphasize that shock, if Yamato was merely talking about how strong her platonic feelings for Naruto are when she already knew that.

[catsi563]

Does he ever give an indication that he loves her? Sure his devotion for her is big but that does not equal love

this statement is one I need to touch on because if i have any serious pet peeve in these shipping wars it's stuff like this. Specifically the blatant double standadrd applied to the actions of these characters.

Hinata a character who has barely interacted with the main character aside from a few sentences and fainting in front of him, Selfishly (her own words mind you) throws herself in front of a train and nearly dies and its held up as an example of ZOMG twu wub!!!!11!!.

Naruto the main character is willing to sacrafice any chance he has at the main heroine and his crushes heart by stepping aside and handing her over to his rival, as well as nearly sacrafciing his very soul to rescue said rival for a promise he made to the same female heroine and yet these actions are not considered romantic, they are barely considered signs of devotion.

Sakura the aforementioned main heroine is also willing to sacrafice any chance she has at happiness with either her old crush (Sasuke) and her new crush (Naruto) by killing Sasuke to protect Naruto from the Akatsuki and the possibility that naruto might die fulfilling a promise made to her, all witht he expectatiion that Naruto will hate her forever afterwards.

And not only is this not even considered an example of devotion but it is in fact considered an act of outright betrayal and a sign she has no faith in Naruto, and is used to rip the character down.

this blatant and unfair double standard is applied everytime these characters do something even remotely pairing related. As is blatant and intentional misreading of the manga itself. specifcally this statement shows a deliberate misreading.

Even sakura herself said that naruto would be a fool to love her.

Sakura does not say hes a fool to love her, she says ""The fool is in love with me.""

this blatant misreading goes as far back as the infamous "I like people like you." panel. It does not say "I like you." it says I like people Like you. he is including all people like her, Rock Lee, Sakura, and all underdogs who work hard for recognition. As this was a big theme in his life at that time, and given as the reason he LIKES Sakura. in that by the way it answers the first part of your question as to where he says he loves Sakura. "this is in fact the only time he directly states he ""likes"" a person.

Yamato's unfinished sentence just means she cares for him. NOTHING MORE

this very statement shows that same double standard applied. She cares for him but she cant love him? is this what is being implied here? double standards.

And he doesnt have to know them for more then 4 days to be able to observe their behavior to each other. he can see how the act and interact with each other. It is mroe then reaosnable to see the obivous feelings each has for the other and be able to make a reasonable conclusion based on this observation.

[nsfan17]

sakura has displayed that she is safe and secure with naruto. is that a feeling that can link to a potential romance or is it only for the dreaded... bro/sis relationship?

[Gravenimage]

If NS was supposed to happen don't you think it would have already happened? How come naruto did ABSOLUTLEY nothing when she hugged him? Show me the link to that interview if anyone has it. Anywho, One of the chapters where itachi is talking about Minato becoming hokage with kushina's support was for naruhina refrence. Sakura doesn't support him and doubts him, but hinata will always support him and never doubts him. If kishi wants to be original then he will not make the main girlxmain guy, he will do the shy girlxmain guy. Hinata has shown up many times during part 1 and often in part 2. That doesn't sound secondary to me. Naruto saw hinata in the waterfall thingy and made cookies of his face. Lastly, she was watching naruto leave the village with jirayai. ZOMG hint! Tell me the reasons why Naruhina won't happen. I want to know.

With the development done to NS since the beginning Kishi is going for the usual protagonis/tsundere pairing like in all shounen manga series. Also Sakura has supported Naruto even in part 1, Minato/Kushina I'm sorry but this is the most obvious paralel Kishimoto can made of NS even a three year old can see that.

[Nate River]

Opposites attract. And in this case the opposites are naruto and hinata. Oh and for her confession, it was a lie. Why was she looking away when she told naruto she loved him? Because when people do that it's not True. I like NS but NH sounds more canon.

I think everyone else has sufficiently touched on the rest so I'm not going to. I only want to say a couple of things about this opposite attracts thing. It's been a long time since I've seen someone pull this one out. Probably because it's not a good argument.

1. It's a cliche' saying. Unless you can prove Kishimoto subscribes to it, it's completely meaningless and has no bearing on the debate.

2. You got the cliche' saying wrong. It's "Opposites attract, but don't wear well." To the extent it's evidence (which it is not), it cuts against your argument

That said, glad you posted. You've breathed life back into this thread.

[RedDelicious]

I only want to say a couple of things about this opposite attracts thing. It's been a long time since I've seen someone pull this one out. Probably because it's not a good argument.

Especially on this site. It's called Heaven & Earth, for pete's sake! It celebrates chapter 64 page 11, where we find out that Earth (Naruto) and Heaven (Sakura) should seek each other out to be stronger. (Not to mention their fun reactions to each other as Iruka is lecturing them.)

[redkunai66]

oi- that was quite a bit of pages to go through-
but i'll throw my 2 pennies out there while i'm at it:
there's been lots of talk how hinata acknowleges naruto's and sakura's feeliings- and probably has moved on.
but from what i'm seeing of folks still active down on the antinarusaku fanclubs down in naruto forums (the semi logical ones anyways), is that hinata hasn't given up her feelings for naruto:
if she has- there wouldn't be more pages like these: http://www.mangaread...et/naruto/540/5
or these: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/540
sakura is still thinking of sasuke when someone mentions a guy she likes
and Hinata is ever devoted in her attempts to fight for naruto and his "protection".


interestingly enough- later on in the chapter- we see sakura actually doing something benificiary to the war- figuring out zetsu neji and giving him an ol can of whoop ass: http://www.mangaread...et/naruto/540/8
and we end the chap with raikage and tsunade confronting naruto and trying to stop naruto and bee from entering further in war: http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/540/16

in essence- while hinata self motivates about not loosing the war and protecting naruto.
the ones who are working on winning the war are sakura and the everyone in konaha (herself included): http://www.mangaread...et/naruto/541/3 , and the ones with real power to stop naruto, to "protect him"- tsunade and raikage, end up siding with him instead: http://www.mangaread...et/naruto/543/9
http://www.mangaread...t/naruto/544/13

I'm not saying she's not contributing- she's not even claiming her contribution is great. But she is centralizing the war into protecting one precious person. while everyone else works to try and protect as many people as possible.
that I find jarring- naruto is the center of her world - yet she doesn't get even the basest thing about him right. he doesn't want protection.

As for sakura in this chapter- sure you can say this is kishi's way of pointing out that sakura doesn't love naruto- but it could also be a way of pointing out that sakura doesn't want to dwell on her feelings for either two team mates- choosing to focus instead on her job as medic. Last time we saw sakura really thinking about sasuke alone- she was in so much pain: http://www.mangaread...hapter-484.html
this time it's a much smaller pang in comparison.

[Naruhina488]

Actuallt hinata did try to get close to him. I disagree. First, the dynamic of their relationship has changed, even if we haven't seen it yet. The old dynamic relied on Naruto being oblivious to Hinata's feelings, on him completely missing the point that she WAS trying to get closer to him.

Because Hinata DID try to get closer to Naruto. When she offered him to cheat, or when she offered him the healing cream, she was trying to get him to notice she wanted to be closer to him. When Naruto came back, she thought "what do I say to him, I'm not ready." This clearly implies that she intended to be ready at some point. That she intended to pursue a romantic relationship with him.

I'll agree that she doesn't NEED it, but she surely SEEKS and ATTEMPTS it. But her own shyness and Naruto's slow mental processes prevented a closer bonding earlier in the story.

But that has changed. Now, Naruto can't be oblivious to her feelings, and I'm expecting that Hinata would be able to be herself around Naruto instead of freezing up/fainting/etc. The dynamic between them can only change.

[tricksie]

...in essence- while hinata self motivates about not loosing the war and protecting naruto. ...

I'm not saying she's not contributing- she's not even claiming her contribution is great. But she is centralizing the war into protecting one precious person. while everyone else works to try and protect as many people as possible.
that I find jarring- naruto is the center of her world - yet she doesn't get even the basest thing about him right. he doesn't want protection.

As for sakura in this chapter- sure you can say this is kishi's way of pointing out that sakura doesn't love naruto- but it could also be a way of pointing out that sakura doesn't want to dwell on her feelings for either two team mates- choosing to focus instead on her job as medic. Last time we saw sakura really thinking about sasuke alone- she was in so much pain: http://www.mangaread...hapter-484.html
this time it's a much smaller pang in comparison.

I like your thoughts on this, and it definitely speaks to the visual story being told, rather than the dialogue. Hinata is still being shown as a passive character. Even in this window of support she is shown as passive, saying what she wants to be doing instead of doing it.

True to Sakura's character, she has thrown herself into her work. There really isn't time for pep talks for her. She is broadsided by the LoverNin, and has a moment of regret. But that is quite different than crushing on the battlefield, "I dedicate this fight to you." Sakura's dedicated her frigggin' life to him, she doesn't have to announce it to herself or anyone else.

It could be argued that Hinata is clearly in the midst of battle and has been shown in battle scenes before this. And this is true. But comparing the moments of introspection and motivation, Hinata's is still very passive. While Sakura's motivation has moved beyond what makes Naruto heroic on the surface to her concerns about what hurts him underneath. Regret about Sasuke, for Sakura, is very much tied to love for Naruto. And as the author telling a visual story as well as a written one, Kishimoto has been very specific in showing Hinata as passively supporting Naruto and Sakura actively supporting him, in an understated way.

I always get the feeling after reading that Hinata bit that if Naruto weren't involved in this war, wasn't in the picture, that she wouldn't have as vested an interest in the war effort. Who would she say they should all support? My point is, her character is defined by her hero worship, and she still has not been developed past that, even after countless opportunities to show her growth.

[merryGOflava]

I'll agree that she doesn't NEED it, but she surely SEEKS and ATTEMPTS it. But her own shyness and Naruto's slow mental processes prevented a closer bonding earlier in the story.

But that has changed. Now, Naruto can't be oblivious to her feelings, and I'm expecting that Hinata would be able to be herself around Naruto instead of freezing up/fainting/etc. The dynamic between them can only change.

i just wanna say,

naruto doesnt have to be oblivious to her feelings, but theres most likely not a chance hes gonna talk about them either.

i mean if he hasnt talked to her then, why talk about them now?
and before you say "he didnt have time" he did ...when he was talking to sakura he could have gone to her, and when he was eating ramen after he talked to the rookie nine about sasuke. dude either forgets it....or doesnt feel like talking about it. whatever the case hes wasting his time worrying about sasuke and making sure his friends and village are gonna be safe.

oh and thanx for coming back we have been bored for a long time! and your helping us to get commenting again :3

Edited by merryGOflava, 26 September 2011 - 03:39 PM.

[Anguyen92]

Actuallt hinata did try to get close to him. I disagree. First, the dynamic of their relationship has changed, even if we haven't seen it yet. The old dynamic relied on Naruto being oblivious to Hinata's feelings, on him completely missing the point that she WAS trying to get closer to him.

Because Hinata DID try to get closer to Naruto. When she offered him to cheat, or when she offered him the healing cream, she was trying to get him to notice she wanted to be closer to him. When Naruto came back, she thought "what do I say to him, I'm not ready." This clearly implies that she intended to be ready at some point. That she intended to pursue a romantic relationship with him.

I'll agree that she doesn't NEED it, but she surely SEEKS and ATTEMPTS it. But her own shyness and Naruto's slow mental processes prevented a closer bonding earlier in the story.

But that has changed. Now, Naruto can't be oblivious to her feelings, and I'm expecting that Hinata would be able to be herself around Naruto instead of freezing up/fainting/etc. The dynamic between them can only change.

Hmmmm, those are indeed good points. But, something like the second bolded, could be the only thing that could change the dynamics of a final pairing. I'll be blunt, when I first started watching the anime, I was all for narusaku. However, there was some doubt on my mind on that and that sasusaku and naruhina could happen if certain things were to happen in part one (Like Sasuke not being emo and all and Hinata would actually be in a spot where she is not actually shy, freeze up and faint). But after waiting a good amount of episodes for something like that to happen, it just not going to happen then. And then part two came and a lot of things happened, Naruto becoming more mature and smarter, Sakura becoming more hotter and stronger, and Hinata with her melons.

Sorry if I was going on and on there, but the fact of the matter is there would be a good amount of a chances for that Kishi would have naruhina to happen or at least, have that bond that Naruto and Sakura have but it did not happen. I mean how could you have a meaningful relationship where you do not have that emotional bond where you actually know a person to a very certain extent. I mean Naruto hardly knows much about Hinata (other than that she's shy, she's got the Byakugan, and probably her families' history) and that's probably it. And Hinata does not know much about Naruto as well. Did she know about the promise of a lifetime? I'm now sure there's other things that she does not know about Naruto but my brain is about to malfunction soon, so I'll stop there before I start spewing more random stuff.

Sorry, if I wasted your time with this post though and thanks for coming back, we could always use more points to talk about.

Edited by Anguyen92, 26 September 2011 - 05:33 PM.

[ciardha]

I always get the feeling after reading that Hinata bit that if Naruto weren't involved in this war, wasn't in the picture, that she wouldn't have as vested an interest in the war effort. Who would she say they should all support? My point is, her character is defined by her hero worship, and she still has not been developed past that, even after countless opportunities to show her growth.

Yeah, but I guess we can count as progress is that she's moving on from mistaking hero worship for love. She knew as everyone knew (but Sakura- and even she was aware by the end of part 1 he had an attraction to her- the "date" requests, that calling her "chan" wasn't a mocking tormenting like she thought up through the early days as a team, but out of attraction- Kishimoto doesn't show us when Sakura realized that, but sometime after chapter 4 and before the Land of Waves Arc) Naruto had romantic feelings for Sakura, (even Kiba and Rock Lee knew in part 1!)

When Hinata saw the romantic embrace Sakura gave Naruto in front of the whole village in 450 she smiles and you can tell she's recognizing what's growing in between Naruto and Sakura and accepts it.

The next time Hinata sees Naruto she's not blushing and looking down or even smiling- she's staring at him, faintly frowning and says nothing in support of Naruto, nor even shows any dismay at Kiba, etc... verbally tearing into Naruto. In other words she is in agreement with Kiba, etc... It is Sakura who passionately stands up for Naruto.

Another point that shows how Hinata has no understanding of who Naruto is- her yes vote for Sasuke's death. She stares at Ino's sobbing reaction completely uncomprehendingly and says nothing in sympathy to Ino when Kiba tears into her for crying. It's Tenten -who despite her undoubted yes vote for Sasuke's death, who stands up for Ino as Chouji comforts her. This is another crucial point- Hinata has no comprehension whatsoever of the intense bond Naruto has with Sasuke and had voted for Sasuke's death with no qualms. Even Rock Lee looks troubled...

Look as well at Naruto's mental image of his age peers- not of them in action, but how he sees them personally in chapter 505, page 2.

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

Contrast Sakura and Hinata especially- Sakura's full attention is on Naruto, she smiles and looks at him with open encouragement and love. Hinata is completely turned away from Naruto, crouched over and looks faintly unhappy. This is how Naruto sees Sakura and Hinata after their love confessions.

Sakura has had her self-assurance somewhat shaken by Naruto's words directed toward her self delusion that she was completely over any feelings whatsoever for Sasuke, and her hesitation driven by the memories of Sasuke at his best back in Team 7. She is sickened and depressed that she wasn't able to put the memories of her feelings about Sasuke firmly in the past, especially with what a monster he has willingly and actively become. Her love for Naruto is a separate thing, unfettered by pain- except for the pain she knew he endured alone, and the danger he is in, including from Sasuke. Her love and total trust in Naruto is a comfort and joy in her life. For Naruto, now knowing Sakura is in love with him, that's a comfort and joy for him. I'm wondering if it might be Naruto himself that doesn't help Sakura put back into perspective her emotionally painful feelings about Sasuke, now that Sai helped him understand things better, and the talk with his mom too. He's going to be reminded just how similar Sakura is to Kushina personality wise too.

Edited by ciardha, 26 September 2011 - 08:21 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Yeah, but I guess we can count as progress is that she's moving on from mistaking hero worship for love. She knew as everyone knew (but Sakura- and even she was aware by the end of part 1 he had an attraction to her- the "date" requests, that calling her "chan" wasn't a mocking tormenting like she thought up through the early days as a team, but out of attraction- Kishimoto doesn't show us when Sakura realized that, but sometime after chapter 4 and before the Land of Waves Arc) Naruto had romantic feelings for Sakura, (even Kiba and Rock Lee knew in part 1!)

When Hinata saw the romantic embrace Sakura gave Naruto in front of the whole village in 450 she smiles and you can tell she's recognizing what's growing in between Naruto and Sakura and accepts it.

The next time Hinata sees Naruto she's not blushing and looking down or even smiling- she's staring at him, faintly frowning and says nothing in support of Naruto, nor even shows any dismay at Kiba, etc... verbally tearing into Naruto. In other words she is in agreement with Kiba, etc... It is Sakura who passionately stands up for Naruto.

Another point that shows how Hinata has no understanding of who Naruto is- her yes vote for Sasuke's death. She stares at Ino's sobbing reaction completely uncomprehendingly and says nothing in sympathy to Ino when Kiba tears into her for crying. It's Tenten -who despite her undoubted yes vote for Sasuke's death, who stands up for Ino as Chouji comforts her. This is another crucial point- Hinata has no comprehension whatsoever of the intense bond Naruto has with Sasuke and had voted for Sasuke's death with no qualms. Even Rock Lee looks troubled...

Look as well at Naruto's mental image of his age peers- not of them in action, but how he sees them personally in chapter 505, page 2.

http://www.mangaread...hapter-505.html

Contrast Sakura and Hinata especially- Sakura's full attention is on Naruto, she smiles and looks at him with open encouragement and love. Hinata is completely turned away from Naruto, crouched over and looks faintly unhappy. This is how Naruto sees Sakura and Hinata after their love confessions.

Sakura has had her self-assurance somewhat shaken by Naruto's words directed toward her self delusion that she was completely over any feelings whatsoever for Sasuke, and her hesitation driven by the memories of Sasuke at his best back in Team 7. She is sickened and depressed that she wasn't able to put the memories of her feelings about Sasuke firmly in the past, especially with what a monster he has willingly and actively become. Her love for Naruto is a separate thing, unfettered by pain- except for the pain she knew he endured alone, and the danger he is in, including from Sasuke. Her love and total trust in Naruto is a comfort and joy in her life. For Naruto, now knowing Sakura is in love with him, that's a comfort and joy for him. I'm wondering if it might be Naruto himself that doesn't help Sakura put back into perspective her emotionally painful feelings about Sasuke, now that Sai helped him understand things better, and the talk with his mom too. He's going to be reminded just how similar Sakura is to Kushina personality wise too.

Actually the tricky thing about that Konoha 11 statement ciardha, is that we don't know if Hinata really voted for Sasuke's death She might have been quietly watching the discussion without saying a word but since that's how she is I bet they didn't force her to vote. Anyways I bet Sakura is just as awkward at showing her feelings as Naruto It was only easy with Sasuke because it was just a superficial crush and she didn't show her true self to him, just agreed with what he says mostly although when she showed genuine concern or opposal it's no different than what she shows Naruto because she really is a sweet , gentle, sensitive person it's overlooked because of her temper and no thanks to Pierrot for always OVER EXAGGERATING her tsundere moments (GET OVER IT Sakura haters it!)

Edited by Phantom_999, 26 September 2011 - 09:49 PM.

[ciardha]

Actually the tricky thing about that Konoha 11 statement ciardha, is that we don't know if Hinata really voted for Sasuke's death She might have been quietly watching the discussion without saying a word but since that's how she is I bet they didn't force her to vote.

From what Shikamaru said to Sakura and what Sai said to Naruto it sounds like Sakura, Naruto and Sai were the only ones that didn't vote. Sakura didn't say yes or no, but decided, that it was the only wise choice, and it was up to her. Hinata has tended to follow along with whatever Kiba decides, even in part 1. I've never seen her argue against him, even to look the least dismayed when he was running down Naruto or verbally tearing into him. Even during the Chunin exams Hinata showed as much concern for Kiba and Akamaru as she did Naruto after their fight.

I think it's pretty clear they all voted, Hinata voting the same as Kiba. Thus Hinata staring at Ino sobbing uncomprehendingly. You can pretty much tell by the body language and words who voted what way. Ino being the only no, Chouji a reluctant yes, because of how he knew it would hurt Ino, Rock Lee another reluctant yes, because he does understand emotional bonds and knows his vote would case emotional pain to Sakura and Naruto. Tenten ambivalent probably because as Kishimoto has hinted, she and Ino have become friends, so she would understand the emotional pain a yes vote would cause Ino. Kiba was the only one who voted yes enthusiastically- for some reason he appears to have developed an outright hatred of Sasuke. For Shino, Neiji and Shikamaru it was just a vote for the safety of all. Sasuke had become to much of a threat to the world. Shikamaru understood it would be a very painful thing for Naruto, Sakura and Ino, but it had to be done.

If he had voted Sai would have been as emphatically yes as Kiba, but because of the intense suffering Sasuke had caused both Naruto and Sakura over their emotional bond to Sasuke. That makes Sai boil with rage on the inside. At first he didn't understand that it pained Sakura as much, if not more than Naruto, but her emotions after she made the choice made him realize that Sakura loves Naruto and much as Naruto loves her. And Sasuke is the point of intense anguish for both of them. Sai had to make that clear to Naruto, and it took Naruto passing out to process it, but he had by the time he rescued Sakura from Sasuke.

[Super Boom]

But that has changed. Now, Naruto can't be oblivious to her feelings, and I'm expecting that Hinata would be able to be herself around Naruto instead of freezing up/fainting/etc. The dynamic between them can only change.

To be honest, I actually agree with this. After confessing her love to him, Naruto can no longer be oblivious to Hinata, and it's doubtful that Hinata will still be her usually blushing, fainting self. So it seems likely that their 'relationship' will change.
Here's the problem though. From Naruto's perspective, Hinata's attempts to get closer to him were never romantic in nature. They all revolved around her wanting to help him out, or he was just never aware of them to begin with. During Naruto's fight with Kiba, Hinata is just another person doubting him. When Naruto thinks of his precious people during his fight with Gaara, Hinata is nowhere to be seen. Sure their 'dynamic' may have changed after her confession, but, in all fairness, was there ever a dynamic to begin with? The two have interacted on a startlingly low number of occasions, so much so that Naruto developing feelings for her would come completely out of nowhere.

However, like you said, the relationship can only change. And, from what we've seen, on the few occasions that Hinata has seen or thought of Naruto, her actions towards him are no different than any other member of the K-11. She doesn't blush when she thinks of him anymore, and her dedication to protect him doesn't seem any different than Gaara's or Rock Lee's. It doesn't disprove that she still has feelings for him, but if she does, they are certainly being played in a different light.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 27 September 2011 - 12:51 AM.

[Phantom_999]

From what Shikamaru said to Sakura and what Sai said to Naruto it sounds like Sakura, Naruto and Sai were the only ones that didn't vote. Sakura didn't say yes or no, but decided, that it was the only wise choice, and it was up to her. Hinata has tended to follow along with whatever Kiba decides, even in part 1. I've never seen her argue against him, even to look the least dismayed when he was running down Naruto or verbally tearing into him. Even during the Chunin exams Hinata showed as much concern for Kiba and Akamaru as she did Naruto after their fight.

I think it's pretty clear they all voted, Hinata voting the same as Kiba. Thus Hinata staring at Ino sobbing uncomprehendingly. You can pretty much tell by the body language and words who voted what way. Ino being the only no, Chouji a reluctant yes, because of how he knew it would hurt Ino, Rock Lee another reluctant yes, because he does understand emotional bonds and knows his vote would case emotional pain to Sakura and Naruto. Tenten ambivalent probably because as Kishimoto has hinted, she and Ino have become friends, so she would understand the emotional pain a yes vote would cause Ino. Kiba was the only one who voted yes enthusiastically- for some reason he appears to have developed an outright hatred of Sasuke. For Shino, Neiji and Shikamaru it was just a vote for the safety of all. Sasuke had become to much of a threat to the world. Shikamaru understood it would be a very painful thing for Naruto, Sakura and Ino, but it had to be done.

If he had voted Sai would have been as emphatically yes as Kiba, but because of the intense suffering Sasuke had caused both Naruto and Sakura over their emotional bond to Sasuke. That makes Sai boil with rage on the inside. At first he didn't understand that it pained Sakura as much, if not more than Naruto, but her emotions after she made the choice made him realize that Sakura loves Naruto and much as Naruto loves her. And Sasuke is the point of intense anguish for both of them. Sai had to make that clear to Naruto, and it took Naruto passing out to process it, but he had by the time he rescued Sakura from Sasuke.

doooeessnn't necessarily meant ALL voted they probably took a majority vote anyways it's not that they're disregarding Naruto and Sakura's feelings Shikamaru just said they have to grow up and take responsibilty but to be honest I thought it was pompous of him to say that cause I doubt he'd say it so freely if He had to kill Choji....
hey I my 999th comment

Oh hereès a though Any one here want to see NS' marriage and Sakura pregnant?

Edited by Phantom_999, 29 September 2011 - 03:54 AM.