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[Sakamaki Izayoi]

He does have a kekkei genkai, his kekkei genkai comes from the uzumaki clan which kushina explainend ( longevity and an huge chakra span)
and plus the fact that if the kyuubi is removed from naruto he does not die unlike the other jinchuurikis, his body is capable of withstanding the kyuubi's chakra.

Edited by dovahkiin, 24 November 2012 - 10:49 AM.

[Jake]

He does have a kekkei genkai, his kekkei genkai comes from the uzumaki clan which kushina explainend ( longevity and an huge chakra span)
and plus the fact that if the kyuubi is removed from naruto he does not die unlike the other jinchuurikis, his body is capable of withstanding the kyuubi's chakra.

A Kekkai Genkai is a jutsu that runs in someone's bloodline, that was made clear during Kakashi's first fight with Zabuza, longevity and large chakra reserves are not jutsus they are traits that run in the Uzumaki Family like red hair, Large Chakra reserves also seem to run in A's family and yet neither he or his father show any signs of being an Uzumaki, especially since Naruto is the only Uzumaki we've seen that doesn't have red hair.

And about the Tailed Beast removal, it was said that Kushina was not going to survive the night, that's why she was against sealing Minato's plan, because she didn't want Naruto to grow up as an orphan and this was stated before she was impaled by Kurama's claw.

Also there is nothing special about Kurama's chakra that sets it apart from the other Tailed Beasts, remember all nine came form the Ten-Tails so if that is a Kekkei Genkai then that means that Gaara, Yugito, Yagura, Roshi, Han, Utakata, Fu and B are also Uzumakis, and doesn't that seems a little contrived to you because it sure does to me.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

A Kekkai Genkai is a jutsu that runs in someone's bloodline, that was made clear during Kakashi's first fight with Zabuza, longevity and large chakra reserves are not jutsus they are traits that run in the Uzumaki Family like red hair, Large Chakra reserves also seem to run in A's family and yet neither he or his father show any signs of being an Uzumaki, especially since Naruto is the only Uzumaki we've seen that doesn't have red hair.

And about the Tailed Beast removal, it was said that Kushina was not going to survive the night, that's why she was against sealing Minato's plan, because she didn't want Naruto to grow up as an orphan and this was stated before she was impaled by Kurama's claw.

Also there is nothing special about Kurama's chakra that sets it apart from the other Tailed Beasts, remember all nine came form the Ten-Tails so if that is a Kekkei Genkai then that means that Gaara, Yugito, Yagura, Roshi, Han, Utakata, Fu and B are also Uzumakis, and doesn't that seems a little contrived to you because it sure does to me.

Wait WAit!
Kushina was going to survive but she had low chakra, she wanted to seal the kyuubi within herself and die so with it the village could be saved and naruto could live with his father.
Gaara,Yugito,Yagura,Roshi,Han,Utakata all died when they bijuu's were removed, gaara died, if it was an uzumaki he would stay alive or being killed soon after the ritual.

Edited by dovahkiin, 24 November 2012 - 11:33 AM.

[Jake]

Wait WAit!
Kushina was going to survive but she had low chakra, she wanted to seal the kyuubi within herself and die so with it the village could be saved and naruto could live with his father.
Gaara,Yugito,Yagura,Roshi,Han,Utakata all died when they bijuu's were removed, gaara died, if it was an uzumaki he would stay alive or being killed soon after the ritual.

If she was going to survive then why did she want to die? couldn't she have just had Kurama resealed into her and live happily ever after with Minato and Naruto? It was never stated anywhere that she was low on chakra at the time, especially if you consider that she had enough chakra to erect a barrier and restrain Kurama.

The reason I brought up the other Jinchuriki is because you said that Naruto could handle Kurama's Chakra because he was an Uzumaki, Kurama's Chakra is no different then that of the other Biju and if it took an Uzumaki to handle Biju chakra then all of them would have to be Uzumakis for them to be able to handle their Biju's chakra.

[Quinny52]

I agree with dovah, had a medic been on hand to stablise her following Kurama's removal, I strongly reckon that Kushina could've survived that night. I feel It was only because she, Minato and Naruto were too far away for backup to arrive on time, that she suggested that Minato seal Kurama back inside her. Of course, being run through by Kurama's claws certainly sealed her fate (no pun intended), but had that not happened, I'm sure she would've lived had a medic been available. It's for the same reasons above that I think, were Naruto to lose Kurama in this battle, if he is pulled away from the fight and tended to by a medic (Sakura?), he would eventually pull through (though I reckon he'd be out of it for a while as his body recovers from the trauma).

And although large chakra reserves aren't necessarily unique traits (many characters can boast of it), the Uzumaki's vitality and longevity is strongly attributed to their close relations with the Senju, making them too direct descendents of the Sage of Six Paths, the first jinchuuriki. It's this heritage that has so far explained why Kushina Uzumaki is the only jinchuuriki shown to have survived the intial extraction process so far. No other jinchuuriki has been shown to be related to the Sage thus far (with the exception of the Gold and Silver brothers who were at best psuedo-jinchuuriki, and even then their ancestry was only speculated).

[Codus N]

I'd like to ask if anyone has seen this pic before:



Was this drawn for a databook or something?? was it released between Part I & II?? because if it was, then Kishi planned this since WAAAYYYY back and it was not just some stupid asspull. Seriously, look at how Obito & Kakashi's positions are totally flipped. If it was intended to be a straight parallel, then Obito would've been in Naruto's place while Kakashi would've been in Sasuke's place. The amount of foreshadowing here is insane, folks.

And this foreshadowing relates to the current topic of Sakura's role as well. If Kishi planned out Obito & Kakashi's story since way back when, then that means he has a big plan regarding Sakura's role in the Naruto vs Sasuke battle. We know that Rin has an extremely vital role to the manga, especially regarding Kakashi vs Obito. If Rin has been given such a large role, then what would that make of Sakura?? interesting to think about.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I'd like to ask if anyone has seen this pic before:



Was this drawn for a databook or something?? was it released between Part I & II?? because if it was, then Kishi planned this since WAAAYYYY back and it was not just some stupid asspull. Seriously, look at how Obito & Kakashi's positions are totally flipped. If it was intended to be a straight parallel, then Obito would've been in Naruto's place while Kakashi would've been in Sasuke's place. The amount of foreshadowing here is insane, folks.

And this foreshadowing relates to the current topic of Sakura's role as well. If Kishi planned out Obito & Kakashi's story since way back when, then that means he has a big plan regarding Sakura's role in the Naruto vs Sasuke battle. We know that Rin has an extremely vital role to the manga, especially regarding Kakashi vs Obito. If Rin has been given such a large role, then what would that make of Sakura?? interesting to think about.

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@Jake
when a person's chakra reachs 0 the person dies.
Kurama was extracted from kushina, she survives but it takes away a huge amount of her chakra, she would survive but she had only chakra left to seal the kyuubi within her body and die shortly after because she would run out of chakra.
she wanted to do it to ensure that both her husband and naruto live, but minato wanted to kushina stay alive with naruto because he said there were things that only a mother can say to naruto, the problem was because kyuubi saw this and attacked naruto and so they had to "use" their bodies to protect naruto, the rest you know of.

[Don-kun]

Codus N
Can't see the pic.

[Jake]

I agree with dovah, had a medic been on hand to stablise her following Kurama's removal, I strongly reckon that Kushina could've survived that night. I feel It was only because she, Minato and Naruto were too far away for backup to arrive on time, that she suggested that Minato seal Kurama back inside her. Of course, being run through by Kurama's claws certainly sealed her fate (no pun intended), but had that not happened, I'm sure she would've lived had a medic been available. It's for the same reasons above that I think, were Naruto to lose Kurama in this battle, if he is pulled away from the fight and tended to by a medic (Sakura?), he would eventually pull through (though I reckon he'd be out of it for a while as his body recovers from the trauma).

And although large chakra reserves aren't necessarily unique traits (many characters can boast of it), the Uzumaki's vitality and longevity is strongly attributed to their close relations with the Senju, making them too direct descendents of the Sage of Six Paths, the first jinchuuriki. It's this heritage that has so far explained why Kushina Uzumaki is the only jinchuuriki shown to have survived the intial extraction process so far. No other jinchuuriki has been shown to be related to the Sage thus far (with the exception of the Gold and Silver brothers who were at best psuedo-jinchuuriki, and even then their ancestry was only speculated).

The only problem is that Obito used a different extraction technique on Kushina, remember it took all nine members of the Akatsuki three days to extract Shukaku from Gaara, between the stress and pain of the process and the dehydration form not only the three days it took to extract but however long it took to get him there, even a Uzumaki would die due to the dehydration (A human can only do three days without water).

I'd like to ask if anyone has seen this pic before:



Was this drawn for a databook or something?? was it released between Part I & II?? because if it was, then Kishi planned this since WAAAYYYY back and it was not just some stupid asspull. Seriously, look at how Obito & Kakashi's positions are totally flipped. If it was intended to be a straight parallel, then Obito would've been in Naruto's place while Kakashi would've been in Sasuke's place. The amount of foreshadowing here is insane, folks.

And this foreshadowing relates to the current topic of Sakura's role as well. If Kishi planned out Obito & Kakashi's story since way back when, then that means he has a big plan regarding Sakura's role in the Naruto vs Sasuke battle. We know that Rin has an extremely vital role to the manga, especially regarding Kakashi vs Obito. If Rin has been given such a large role, then what would that make of Sakura?? interesting to think about.

Can't see the image.

cant see your image

@Jake
when a person's chakra reachs 0 the person dies.
Kurama was extracted from kushina, she survives but it takes away a huge amount of her chakra, she would survive but she had only chakra left to seal the kyuubi within her body and die shortly after because she would run out of chakra.
she wanted to do it to ensure that both her husband and naruto live, but minato wanted to kushina stay alive with naruto because he said there were things that only a mother can say to naruto, the problem was because kyuubi saw this and attacked naruto and so they had to "use" their bodies to protect naruto, the rest you know of.

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Notice that this happened before Kushina was impaled.

If Kushina was going to survive then Minato sure as hell didn't know.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

he had another plan he wanted naruto to control the kyuubi, only one of them could survive but there would be no jinchuuriki, and someome had to be the next jinchuuriki this inst just a matter of saving their lifes, the only possible thing was to minato to use hakke fuin, it was minato's plan to save the village.
their deaths were intended, an uzumaki can survive a bijuu extraction.

Edited by dovahkiin, 24 November 2012 - 02:09 PM.

[candycane-chan]

codasN I can't see the picture..but now I'm curious can you try another time

[Jake]

he had another plan he wanted naruto to control the kyuubi, only one of them could survive but there would be no jinchuuriki, and someome had to be the next jinchuuriki this inst just a matter of saving their lifes, the only possible thing was to minato to use hakke fuin, it was minato's plan to save the village.

But why would he even need to seal Kushina inside Naruto if she could live to raise him? Why couldn't he just seal Kurama inside Naruto and have Kushina raise him? the only thing it would have changed about Naruto being able to control Kurama's Chakra would be that Kushina would have been sent to the island with him, hell what would stop her from having some of her chakra seal into Naruto after she had recovered? I'm sure Hiruzan and Jiraiya would've been willing to help her if she told them that it was Minato's idea.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

But why would he even need to seal Kushina inside Naruto if she could live to raise him? Why couldn't he just seal Kurama inside Naruto and have Kushina raise him? the only thing it would have changed about Naruto being able to control Kurama's Chakra would be that Kushina would have been sent to the island with him, hell what would stop her from having some of her chakra seal into Naruto after she had recovered? I'm sure Hiruzan and Jiraiya would've been willing to help her if she told them that it was Minato's idea.

i dont know it was minato's idea, but an uzumaki does not die because he had his bijuu extracted this is real.
there's no if's and i doubt that kushina was intended to live naruto should be orphan so....

[Codus N]

How's this, then??

Edited by Codus N, 24 November 2012 - 02:33 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

How's this, then??

Kakashi = sasuke = emo.
Naruto = obito.
i thought u were posting dat "mini databook" of pain's arc.

[candycane-chan]

How's this, then??

thanks
well it's interesting, but I don't really know if there's any purpose behind those covers.
I'm always trying to be positive about sakura's role in the manga, and if those covers are foreshadowing then she'll a summon a slug in the future chapters (?)

Edited by candycane-chan, 24 November 2012 - 02:52 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

this is not foreshadowing you guys simply forget it, this belongs to the kakashi gaiden an arc that is between part 1 and part 2.

[Jake]

i dont know it was minato's idea, but an uzumaki does not die because he had his bijuu extracted this is real.
there's no if's and i doubt that kushina was intended to live naruto should be orphan so....

Where was it stated that Uzumakis don't die when a Biju is extracted from them? because I sure as hell haven't seen it, I've even given cannon evidence the contradict it, Uzumakis being able to survive Tailed Beast extraction is speculation at best.

The only ways I can see for us to know with 100% certainty is

1. Kurama is extracted from Naruto, but seeing as how the Ten-Tails has been revived already, that doesn't look like a plausible route because obviously Madara and Obito don't need Kurama anymore especially if they can use Infinite Tsukiyomi, furthermore if I am right on this one then this absolutely can not happen.
2. ask Kishi directly.

[redragon88]

How's this, then??

I also remember how in the Team Minato photo they are also in reversed positions.

Maybe it was foreshadowing how eventually their roles would be reversed even though they started the same way as Naruto and Sasuke.

In the past:
Naruto = Obito / Sasuke = Kakashi

In the present:
Naruto = Kakashi / Sasuke = Obito

Edited by redragon88, 24 November 2012 - 03:29 PM.

[Quinny52]

The only problem is that Obito used a different extraction technique on Kushina, remember it took all nine members of the Akatsuki three days to extract Shukaku from Gaara, between the stress and pain of the process and the dehydration form not only the three days it took to extract but however long it took to get him there, even a Uzumaki would die due to the dehydration (A human can only do [b]three days[b] without water).

While you make a valid point if you apply real-life physics, it poses a problem, if dehydration was an issue for the victim, wouldn't the case also apply to the culprits as well? Remeber, while the extraction ritual was underway, the Akatsuki members could'nt physically move, and they had to remain concentrated on the ritual. They couldn't eat, drink and had to remain mentally focused during this as well... If anything THEY were more at risk of death from lack of nourishment than the jinchuuriki.

With Kushina however, you got other things to consider; the seal was already weakend by the labour of childbirth, and Obito is an Uchiha augmented with Senju cells, and knowledge of jinchuuriki seals which he obviously gained from Madara. He struck at the opportune moment and with Kurama free enough to place genjutsu on it, Obito didn't have to exert that much effort to break the seal. No other case of Bijuu extraction has shown that the integrity of the host's seal was so badly compromised. What the manga has so far confirmed is that it is the extraction ITSELF which is fatal to a jinchuuriki, not the MANNER or DURATION of it. If the later two were the case, than I would wonder why Obito was ultimately so surprised to find that Kushina was still alive.

Which brings me to my previous post; while I don't believe Kurama's chakra is that much different from its brethren, the fact is that it is the strongest of the Nine, with almost limitless chakra, and as such is perhaps the only Bijuu that must be sealed within an individual descended from the Sage's lineage. Think about it, all of Kurama's hosts have been Uzumaki clans(wo)men, and before them Hashirama Senju controlled it, and Madara Uchiha before him. Now that I think about it, have you ever wondered why Kurama is the only Bijuu so far that can be physically summoned by contract? Perhaps further evidence of my above theory.

Edited by Quinny52, 24 November 2012 - 03:47 PM.