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[Naruhina488]

This site isn't exclusivley for NS shippers only people. :I
I like both NS and NH, but I'm more of an NH. People, I can't believe I'm about to say this but.... I think your right.... All of you.... About NH. Holy crap but I think I might jump ships.....

Edited by Naruhina488, 25 September 2011 - 04:40 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

This site isn't exclusivley for NS shippers only people. :I

We know, but we at least want to deal with NH shippers that at least know what they're talking about. For example, that waterfall scene you mentioned as an "argument"? That's something called filler. Filler is extra stuff added by the anime. The manga determines the actual storyline...and that waterfall scene didn't happen in the manga. The anime adds a lot of NH filler.
That's pretty much all I'll say for now because I was only trying to give an example. Do some more research, and then come back when you at least know for sure what you're talking about. Then I'll be able to acknowledge you as a boards member, whether you're a NH fan or not, and respect you.

Edited by zacrathedemon5, 25 September 2011 - 04:43 AM.

[Derock]

I would like to respond to this: how on earth is Itachi's message is a NaruHina reference? (here we go again...)

If you are basically saying that Kushina is similar to Hinata, I'm gonna drop it right here: there aren't ANY similarities between the two. Oh yeah, they have long hair, and they were both was kidnapped by the Cloud ninja but you missed alot of facts for different reasons. Kushina was kidnapped because she was a jinchuuriki; Hinata on the other hand was kidnapped because of the Byakugan of a certain Cloud ninja's desires, not to mentioned that it was affecting the whole entire clan, including Neji who had lost his father in the process. Also saying that they came from powerful clans, not going to work because the Uzumaki clan was gone during the 3rd (or was it 2nd) Ninja War.

Forgot to add this: Hinata was saved from her uncle (or was it her father... but I'm 75% sure it was her uncle), how can Naruto save her then when he wasn't part of the incident. In conclusion of this point, this won't be similar to how Minato saved Kushina.

Next, Hinata does NOT ONE SINGLE support and she did had doubted Naruto plenty of times, besides giving him medicine (which a second later he gave it to Sakura). Both referenced in the Chuunin exams and the confrontation with Tobi/Madara. Sakura had shown support to Naruto plentiful of times, both canon and filler.

She hadn't shown up in the majority of Part 1, that is fact. She wasn't -and still is today- a major character to begin with.

Plus, you mentioned a filler, that arc... that many NH fans want to consider those scenes as part of their arguments.

Lastly, she watched him leave saying: "Next time, I will get stronger..." (Or something like that). It goes directly towards her theme to believe in herself, not a NaruHina moment, it was a basically a "Hinata-only" moment.

[krisk]

This site isn't exclusivley for NS shippers only people. :I
I like both NS and NH, but I'm more of an NH. People, I can't believe I'm about to say this but.... I think your right.... All of you.... About NH. Holy crap but I think I might jump ships.....

I would just like to say that if you do decide to jump ship, I and my INO X EVERYONE boat will be waiting. WE ENJOY THE COPIOUS AMOUNTS OF INO + ERRBODY without debate. see you there!

and uh, to stay on topic.
@derock: right-o! good on you chap. i concur

[FoolishYoungling]

If NS was supposed to happen don't you think it would have already happened? How come naruto did ABSOLUTLEY nothing when she hugged him? Show me the link to that interview if anyone has it.

Naruto didn't do something? He opened his eyes wide open haha... honeslty do you NH fans close your eyes to these moments? (this isn't bashing is it O_o)

[Super Boom]

I see that this thread is pretty active right now, so there'll probably be a few responses by the time I finish (I type at a snail's pace, LOL).

If NS was supposed to happen don't you think it would have already happened?

Maybe there's some good examples that'll prove me wrong, but I can't think of single shounen manga/anime in which the romantic subplot was resolved well before the end off the top of my head. The plot doesn't revolve around who loves who, these issues are generally left for the end of the manga. But again, maybe there's some shounen out there that I'm unaware of, in which the pairing issues are resolved well before the conclusion. In any case, I have a pretty good feeling that Naruto won't be one of those exceptions. I really doubt any pairing is going to made canon until right before the final battle, at the earliest.

Sakura doesn't support him and doubts him, but hinata will always support him and never doubts him.

On the contrary, the manga gives the opposite impression. While fighting Tobi/Madara for the first time, look at how Sakura and Hinata react to Naruto getting hurt. Hinata loses focus out of worry for Naruto, while Sakura knows without even looking that Naruto is fine. The Pein fight was an even better example. Naruto told everyone to stay out of the fight, and most of his friends chose to stand back and believe in him. Hinata was the exception. Her actions were admirable, of course, but they also showed us how much faith she had in Naruto getting out of that situation.

Naruto saw hinata in the waterfall thingy and made cookies of his face. Lastly, she was watching naruto leave the village with jirayai. ZOMG hint!

Well first off, the waterfall scene and Hinata's cookies (LOL) were both anime filler. So they can't really be considered relevant to the overall plot unless we receive word that Kishi was involved with the stories somehow. As for Hinata watching him leave, what exactly was that a hint of? Of Hinata having feelings for Naruto? Wasn't that already established?

Tell me the reasons why Naruhina won't happen. I want to know.

To me, it's not that it won't happen, it's just that it seems like Kishi really has no interest in the pairing. He's had countless oppurtunities to flesh out Naru/Hina over the course of the manga, but other than maybe one or two scenes, the pairing revolves entirely around Hinata's character. Of course it can still happen, it just wouldn't seem natural with how Kishi's written the character relationships so far.

I like both NS and NH, but I'm more of an NH. People, I can't believe I'm about to say this but.... I think your right.... All of you.... About NH. Holy crap but I think I might jump ships.....

Well, that's nice to hear, but you don't need to jump ship just because you're not too confident in your pairing happening. Some of my favorite pairings are crack ships, I don't really care whether they happen or not. But it's really up to you, if you do like N/S as you claim, and your mind has been changed (rather quickly, but I'm not complaining ), then you can feel free to jump ship or what not. But you really don't have any obligation to, just because your favorite pairing may or may not happen.

Also, it's true that this site welcomes all sorts of Naruto fans. I think some people are just getting frustrated by you rapidly bringing up new points without addressing previous ones. Or just the fact that you're using filler as evidence, I know a lot of people here get pretty irked by that.

EDIT: @Anguyen: Thanks! To be honest, whenever I get sucked into these arguments on other sites, I tend to get exasperated pretty easily. I guess it's just easier to argue when you've got home-field advantage, LOL.

Edited by Boom...Winning, 25 September 2011 - 05:39 AM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

Also, it's true that this site welcomes all sorts of Naruto fans. I think some people are just getting frustrated by you rapidly bringing up new points without addressing previous ones. Or just the fact that you're using filler as evidence, I know a lot of people here get pretty irked by that.

You hit the nail right on the head.

[Anguyen92]

Damn Boom, the last three posts you made were very constructive, well-thought, and didn't involve any insults. I wished I had the patience and the thought process as you do. That probably would have led into cleaner and more thorough posts.

As for the naruhina guy, I respectfully apologize if I had attacked you in any way. But if you could give some well-put reasons on how compatible Naruto and Hinata is as well as your thoughts on how they interact, then we can put this behind us and just move on.

Edited by Anguyen92, 25 September 2011 - 05:15 AM.

[Phantom_999]

If NS was supposed to happen don't you think it would have already happened? How come naruto did ABSOLUTLEY nothing when she hugged him? Show me the link to that interview if anyone has it. Anywho, One of the chapters where itachi is talking about Minato becoming hokage with kushina's support was for naruhina refrence. Sakura doesn't support him and doubts him, but hinata will always support him and never doubts him. If kishi wants to be original then he will not make the main girlxmain guy, he will do the shy girlxmain guy. Hinata has shown up many times during part 1 and often in part 2. That doesn't sound secondary to me. Naruto saw hinata in the waterfall thingy and made cookies of his face. Lastly, she was watching naruto leave the village with jirayai. ZOMG hint! Tell me the reasons why Naruhina won't happen. I want to know.

Well if you put it like that we could direct the same question to NH fans. WOULDN'T NH happen by now then? If it was intended wouldn't there be any indication of Naruto starting to like Hinata like have an erotic daydream about her or so? ahem* in any case you're talking about filler moments and to be fair filler moments don't count on any side so what else you got?

This site isn't exclusivley for NS shippers only people. :I
I like both NS and NH, but I'm more of an NH. People, I can't believe I'm about to say this but.... I think your right.... All of you.... About NH. Holy crap but I think I might jump ships.....

Well if you like NH stick with it. we're not stopping you just saying quite frankly when arguing for NH there's not much to go on for actual proof. you've only got fillers and sentiments honestly but IF NH is what you believe by all means keep rooting for it like you said this isn't just for NS fans

[catsi563]

If NS was supposed to happen don't you think it would have already happened?

because it has not happened yet proves nothing. Look at Fullmetal Alchemist Winry and Ed ddint get together untill the very last episode/manga, even Inuyasha and Kagome took the majority of the manga to finally confess. Confessions in the final chapters of Shonesesqe stories are entirely common.

How come naruto did ABSOLUTLEY nothing when she hugged him?

which of the two times? after the pein battle he was tired and shocked that the love of his life hugged him in front of everyone and their peers an incredibly intimate action in the culture upon which thiss tory is based.

during the confession Naruto was again in shock but this time ebcause of both word and action. Sakura was confessing to him teleling him she loved him, this at the time was too much for him to take as proven by his reaction to Sai and Gaaras comments later. he was holding onto a team 7 in the past and unable or unwilling to let them go.

Sakura doesn't support him and doubts him, but hinata will always support him and never doubts him

Compeltely inncorrect and quite frankly backwards. Sakura has always supported him and more to the point has done so publicly and loudly, such as when she cheered him during his battle with kiba and neji, and her standing by him when they failed to retrieve sasuke post time skip. And Sakuras only doubt has ever been in her self. She has relied on and trusted Naruto as shown during the promise of a lifetime and when he renewed that promise at the hospital. ""I trust you completely."

Hinata on the other hand has doubted him several times. during the battle with neji and kiba she was fearful and did not cheer or show any outward shows of support. when he was knocked into the water by madara she called his name while Sakura told her not to worry. Sakura knew how tough he was (had no doubts) while Hinata feared for him (had doubts).

Hinata has shown up many times during part 1 and often in part 2. That doesn't sound secondary to me

As a character Hinata hyuuga as of current chapter has approximately 16 panels and 11 lines in total through part 2 555+ chapters. prior to part 2 hinata had less appearances and panel time then any other of the rookeis save TenTen.

Naruto saw hinata in the waterfall thingy and made cookies of his face

these are anime filler and do not count as canon manga evidence as such they cannot be given any weight in such discussions.

She ddi see him yes but this is nothing mroe then a moment for her to gain a small bit of character growth. A true hint would have been Naruto turing to see her and acknowledging her presence. this would have established a link that could have been expande don in later chapters.

As this did not occur then the moment like her confession was a hinata moment n ot a NaruHina moment.

lastly in conclusion the reasons why NaruHina will most likely not occur are numerous. too numerous in fact.

But I will focus on one important one. Sakura and Naruto have engaged in the lionshare of direct face to face communication, character devlopment and romantic moments and hints. the majority of implied sequences, as well as foreshadowed events through other characters (Shikaku, Sai, Yamato etc) has all rested with Naruto and Sakura.

NaruHina to date has had one SINGLE moment where the two directly spoke to each other at a point where no pressure was brought to bear by outside sources and where they could be hoenst and where the relationship could have established a foundation upon which a pairing could have been built.

that was in the chunin exams before Narutos fight with Neji. however instead of further development Hinata was shuffled to the background and does not reaapear until Naruto is set to leave, nor does she reapapear untill well into part 2.

consequently there has been no development, no forward progress between the two. thus it is reasonable to conclude that the author has through design decided to not pursue the option fo the two as a pairing. too many missed opportunities too many chances to lay a foundation and build on it passed by.

Naruto and Sakura are the only right choice in this matter. they have the development, they have the history, they have the foundation laid, and they have the interaction over scores of panels and lines that show a clear established direction and growth and pattern of intent on the authors part.

I think this line from Mizuras wonderful NAruSaku Manifesto sums up the relationship best.

For me, it's also like a walk in the park. It's a slow, but somewhat relaxing process. And as time passes it's the same park, but you discover that something has grown. The birds are chirping. The leaves are rustling. The flowers have started to bloom, and the roots of the trees are just a bit deeper, the trees just a bit taller.

A slow steady journey that we the readers get to watch unfold.

[Naruhina488]

What chapter does it say where Naruto loves her. Does he ever give an indication that he loves her? Sure his devotion for her is big but that does not equal love. Even sakura herself said that naruto would be a fool to love her. Yamato's unfinished sentence just means she cares for him. NOTHING MORE. He barely knew them for 4 days. How could he understand anything.

[Darth Krypt]

Sure his devotion for her is big but that does not equal love.

Can you devote to someone without loving them? The promise of a lifetime says everything about his feelings for her.

[Anguyen92]

What chapter does it say where Naruto loves her. Does he ever give an indication that he loves her? Sure his devotion for her is big but that does not equal love. Even sakura herself said that naruto would be a fool to love her. Yamato's unfinished sentence just means she cares for him. NOTHING MORE. He barely knew them for 4 days. How could he understand anything.

Well, I think Naruto finally found out why he loves her in chapter three during the bench scene. Its because that they both strive to gain the affections of their loves ones. And thus began, a very slow and very thorough blooming relationship.

As for the second one, are you insulting Yamato, man? The dude's cool and is making a good deduction on the basis of events that transpire between Naruto and Sakura during those four days. Is there anything wrong with that?

You know, a proper debate would have people quote particular posts to either add to the points, or have some sort of disagreement and a counterexample. Its best for you to do so, because, you know, people asked questions from you and would like them to be responded.

But, yep, you know, keep coming back and try to stand up for your points. And if you want to do so, best to cite those examples via manga as well. I'm rooting for you man, but its getting harder for me to do so but you know, gl.

Edited by Anguyen92, 25 September 2011 - 04:13 PM.

[Amy-chan]

What chapter does it say where Naruto loves her. Does he ever give an indication that he loves her? Sure his devotion for her is big but that does not equal love. Even sakura herself said that naruto would be a fool to love her. Yamato's unfinished sentence just means she cares for him. NOTHING MORE. He barely knew them for 4 days. How could he understand anything.

Chapter 457 page 11 and 12 Here he doesnt say it directly but he says it through the way he talks and his emotion during that moment.

Edited by Amy-chan, 25 September 2011 - 04:08 PM.

[Namaenash]

What chapter does it say where Naruto loves her. Does he ever give an indication that he loves her? Sure his devotion for her is big but that does not equal love. Even sakura herself said that naruto would be a fool to love her. Yamato's unfinished sentence just means she cares for him. NOTHING MORE. He barely knew them for 4 days. How could he understand anything.

It's indicated all over the manga and anime since the start -- you might want to re-read it. There's a good summary at youtube by slextrem.

Regarding Yamato's unfinished sentence, Boom Winning mentioned that 'aposiopesis' (breaking off a sentence without finishing) is generally used for dramatic purposes. Refer to this thread. It is left to the readers to decide what it means, but if you're the author and it only means simple thing, why do you make such effort to show it to the readers?

Yamato barely knew them at that point of time, is a plus point for NS if anything. Because it is implicitely saying that even though viewed from a "stranger's" perspective, Naruto and Sakura shows a solid bond and a relationship that goes beyond 'just a friend' level.

Edited by Namaenash, 25 September 2011 - 04:24 PM.

[Codus N]

Well, this is easy to debunk. After Sakura's confession, we've seen Naruto interacting positively with her on at least one occasion, and also saving her life. So I don't think he bears any hard feelings over the confession.

I think what he/she meant was in a romantic context, that "positive interaction" was in no way romantic or have anything to do with that direction, but however, if you look at it from a friendship context, then yes, it was positive. Of course, this may or may not leave the door open for more of their romantic development. Depends on how one looks at it.

like Boom...Winning pointed out their relationship and interactions are no different from before and hasn't improved one bit.

On the contrary, the same could be said for N/S as it is still in the "friendship" stage, as they haven't really been open about their feelings thus, hindering possible romantic developments. As they haven't taken that step into the next level.

Now imagine Sakura (teamate, friend, Person he is in love with, crush, self admitted most precious person, Promise of a lifetime) if she had been hirt after maing a similar declaration ro even jsut saying "I will never let him take you ever.

This is a rather obnoxious statement IMO. As we really don't know for sure how pissed he would get if Sakura was in her place.

I, respectfully, disagree with that statement. Heck, during that rasenshriken training, Sakura was always supporting Naruto with her making those pills (they may have tasted bad, but at least its helping him in some way) and the whole speech to Sai, in the anime, about Naruto never giving up because he's F'en Naruto, which lead to realization that Sakura actually does care for him. If you don't count that as support, then I don't know what is. Why don't you tell me then? Though, I do agree on if it was suppose to happen, then why it hasn't already happened part, I don't know why Kishi did not pull the trigger on that yet. But that might be the case for Naruhina as well. If, its suppose to happen then why it didn't happen yet?

Those were filler. So it doesn't really count. (as much as we would like to use it as evidence )

Compeltely inncorrect and quite frankly backwards. Sakura has always supported him and more to the point has done so publicly and loudly, such as when she cheered him during his battle with kiba and neji, and her standing by him when they failed to retrieve sasuke post time skip. And Sakuras only doubt has ever been in her self. She has relied on and trusted Naruto as shown during the promise of a lifetime and when he renewed that promise at the hospital. ""I trust you completely."

Hinata on the other hand has doubted him several times. during the battle with neji and kiba she was fearful and did not cheer or show any outward shows of support. when he was knocked into the water by madara she called his name while Sakura told her not to worry. Sakura knew how tough he was (had no doubts) while Hinata feared for him (had doubts).

Well, there was one scene where she tried to cheer for Naruto vs Sasuke back in the academy. Although, she was drowned out by the Sasuke fangirls. (including Sakura) http://www.mangaread...et/naruto/538/9

But of course, we need to take note that that was her in the past. Not her in the present. Of course, we DO acknowledge the fact that was a part of her life which also happens to be a black mark in her life as well. But however, what makes a person who she is, is not her past, but her present self.

To put it in a different way, she started out as an ugly tree branch, but she eventually blooms into a beautiful flower befitting of her name.

But I will focus on one important one. Sakura and Naruto have engaged in the lionshare of direct face to face communication, character devlopment and romantic moments and hints.

Yup. But of course, most of those interactions are still within the realm of friendship. But it's there, no doubt.

EDIT: @Namaenash: True, it's pretty freakin' obvious they'd take it to the next level one day, but as of now, they're still stuck in the friendship stage.

Edited by Codus N, 25 September 2011 - 04:47 PM.

[Anguyen92]

Those were filler. So it doesn't really count. (as much as we would like to use it as evidence )

Oh, damn it, sigh...., this is what happens when I started actually reading the manga around the late 400s. I could not tell which parts of that training were filler and which were not. Well, I knew that her speech to Sai were filler, but the food pills as well? Heck, I didn't know that three-tails arc were filler as well until recently. It just felt so well done and all of that, oh well.

Well again for that naruhina guy, you know the door is always open for you here. You say your points and thoughts, and we'll see if we agree with you or provide a solid counterexample of that and if you would do the same and provide disagreements and counterexamples for our points that we provided and quoting our posts, then that would be nice as well.

Edited by Anguyen92, 25 September 2011 - 04:55 PM.

[Anguyen92]

All I can say Naruhina488 is this The day Kishi makes NS canon will (hopefully) put an end to the pairing wars. I agree on what everyone has said regarding Naruhina. Thanks! I didn't understand some things but now I do.

Oh, it will never end. Even if its canon, the naruhina, sasusaku, and narusasu are still going to probably talk about their points and just think that Kishi was wrong in choosing the pairing and still would make fanarts, fanfictions, and doujins.

At least, if our pairing being canon, we can just have that sigh of relief in saying that we backed the right pairing. Its always a nice feeling when you have to make predicaments or pick an end result and end up being right, there's nothing like it. And if our pairing is not canon, then, oh well, we'll probably stir and brood and then after a while, we can move on to the next best thing and that's how life goes.

Edited by Anguyen92, 25 September 2011 - 05:02 PM.

[merryGOflava]

All I can say Naruhina488 is this The day Kishi makes NS canon will (hopefully) put an end to the pairing wars. I agree on what everyone has said regarding Naruhina. Thanks! I didn't understand some things but now I do.

are you kidding??? talking to a naruhina is fun!! look how bustling this thread is!

i hope they come back!! cause reading what everyone has to say is making me love narusaku even MORE

[nsfan17]

hypothetically, if naruto and sakura first met each other as they were back in part 2, how do you think their relationship would have progressed?

Edited by nsfan17, 25 September 2011 - 05:21 PM.