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[Tendo Ryuken]

Well youre right you found one maybe. But first of all that is about 500 chapters old, second: for me naruto also doenst show more than friendship to hinata. I think that was the first chapter they really had a conversation. The next real conversation is about 200 chapter later i think.

Ok now if we count this as NH development, think of all the NS development we got till now.

ill save this for now. you are welcomed to pm me everytime you want

@ dovahkiin and reddragon88

thanks for the nice debate. you guys have reasonable arguments, i mean it

@ don-kun
sorry dude. you destroyed my mood to debate. and i have to tell you that i have no intention to join anti sakura FC.

[Don-kun]

This is why I'm saying that you're overthinking it. Remember these aren't real people. Kishi's probably wasn't thinking about that kind of stuff when he wrote that scene.

And even when you're in an unconscious situation you worry about all the people you care for. You wonder what's in Naruto's heart? In his heart Naruto worries for everyone at a same level. Let's say a guy with a wife and child he loves the same suddenly finds his house on fire. Do you think he'll worry about one more than the other? He won't. He'll worry for both the same way.

It might sound unrealistic for Naruto to share concern for everyone at the same level while only loving Sakura, but you have to remember that this is still a work of fiction. Fiction is controlled. No matter how realistic we might think some stories are the reality is that there's always gonna be differences to real situations.

You blur the line between fiction and reality when you try to apply real life experiences as a way to predict how a character should act.

If the story of Naruto was meant to be realistic then Naruto would allow everyone to help him apprehend Sasuke, he would get arrested for his crimes and either be incarcerated or executed, and Sakura would most definitely not be still in love with him. But the story of Naruto is not about how realistic it can be, it's about the messages we can learn from the tale. That what's most important to keep in mind.

Good point but to make it more simple, If Naruto remember what he did to the Heaven & Earth bridge and the reason why he vow not to use that power, was because he hurt the a person he care about while he likes her too (Sakura) he hurt her and he refuse to use Kurama's power again.

For NH if Naruto didn't get angry at Pain almost killing Hinata and taunted him about hit it will mean that he is not in love with Hinata (wow Naruto seems that some people really wants you to be a jerk)

Next scenario Sakura who was nowhere around Naruto and the last person he saw was a dying Hinata before he went nine tail so it's what's he will think about the worse scenario remembring what he did in the pas to the bridge, Jiraiya and Sakura, but for NH it means that he most always think about Sakura, if he show concern for someone he thought he killed in nine tail form it means that he most love that person and not Sakura. Naruto specific question was, did I destroy Kill Hinata and the people in the village. Saying whatever to Hinata's possible dead would make it clear to readers that he doesn't love Hinata. (Again Naruto most be a jerk)



@Ryuken
I stop debating with NH and SS a nice way a long time ago, since most sems to fabricate stuff to support their OTP, It's all about Naruto move on already, Hinata says she will get Naruto so NH is inevitable and Redemption = SS even when we have the Manga to prove how wrong they are they still disagrees with facts.
Arguing With Kishimoto's want to be or wannabe isn't funny to tell you the truth, it becomes very annoying after a while.

Edited by Don-kun, 19 November 2012 - 04:32 PM.

[CloudMountainJuror]

I'm pretty sure that scene isn't supposed to support or hurt either NH or NS in any shape or form. It's kind of a neutral scene.

The reason Naruto mentioned Hinata first was because she was the closest to him when he became kyuubi. If it had been Iruka then Naruto would've said "Are Iruka and the rest alright?". So yeah, this scene was never meant to either help or hurt NH. It was a pretty generic scene which you could apply to any character.

I'm not sure why you assume that Naruto not thinking about Sakura specifically in that scene diminishes his feelings? I think you might be looking to much into it. Naruto cares about Sakura the most, but that doesn't mean he prioritizes her above the rest of the village for no reason. The only reason he did so with Hinata was because she was near him, therefore, the most likely one to get killed by kyuubi Naruto.

It's like Minato said before he died, something like "We're a shinobi family". Minato decided to die and make his child an orphan for the good of the village's future, because they were all his family. And he knew that in the long run Naruto would find happiness in his own way even without his parents there. So just like Minato, Naruto also considers all of the Leaf Village as his family and worries for all of them equally. But just because he worries for all in the same way doesn't mean he can't have special feelings for someone.

Just like in a family, you love your partner and child equally, but you're only in love with your partner. Think about Naruto in the same way.

This just about sums it all up.

[Paptala]

I'm sure much of my response is repeating what other's have said (either in part or in whole), but I'll give it a whirl regardless since I was mentioned specifically

on topic. let me show you one of my way on using logic.

lets take the assumptions:

assumption #1 naruto held no special feeling for hinata
assumption #2 the one naruto cared the most is sakura

now. lets pick a scene to test our assumption

Naruto : Granny. as im able to master the sage mode, i can now sense everyone's chakra. is kakashi sensei on a misson away from the village?
Tsunade : ..........
Naruto : i see
---note--- naruto said everyone. this means including iruka, konohamaru, sakura, etc ..
time skip
naruto : whats that? isnt it supposed to be the village? whats happened?
katsuyu : yes, naruto kun. you did that in kyubi mode.
naruto : anxiety.. did i hurt hinata and the other?

you know that scene really well right?
============================================================================

so. lets test our assumption #1 first.
............&*%$$&&^_____765656---------&^%&*$&* ghd .....;,'/.
ting tong !!!

RESULT: SUCCESS. even naruto held no special feeling for hinata, her previous action and condition and position could make naruto checked her first. simply said, this evidence is not strong enough to say that naruto love hinata.

now, lets test our second assumption
............&*%$$&&^_____765656---------&^%&*$&* ghd .....;,'/.
ting tong !!!

RESULT: FAIL. if something huge and dangerous happened. the one you cared the most has to be the one you checked first. in other word, tough situation is a perfect time to see anything deep inside someone's heart. in 2004, when the huge earthquake that caused great tsunami strike aceh, the first person that come to my mind was my little brother. this is my personal experience, but i think i can take this as a valid evidence to consider.

side note : i havent seen paptala for a while. i really want to know his opinion

edit : you shouldnt try to test both assumption at one. it would make your head ache lol

The answer to that scene is quite obvious - Hinata was the only person that he saw stabbed in front of him, and she was the only person at "ground zero" when he transformed. Thus, he had no specific reason to think that Sakura was hurt, where he knew that Hinata was seriously, if not fatally, injured.

How do we know that Naruto cares about Sakura more than most people? Because she was one of four people Naruto said saved him from the hell of loneliness, saying that she was one of his most important people in the Gaara fight (which was after all of his development with Hinata in part one).

Because it is Naruto's desire to protect Sakura and her happiness that is specifically brought up time and again (during the FoD, during the Gaara fight, the chapter cover about protecting her smile, Yamato's speech about him really wanting to protect Sakura, etc.).

Because Naruto was willing to put Sakura's happiness before his own, and emotionally sacrificed for her for years with the POAL (which he hasn't done for anyone else - though arguably in some sense for Sasuke as well).

Because Naruto said that Sakura makes him happy, and he hasn't said any thing of the sort concerning Hinata.

Note that with Hinata, Naruto never thought about her once after beating Neji aside from thinking "Where is Hinata? Is she watching?" until their reunion in part 2 (in which all he said was "Hinata? Why are hiding back here?" before she fainted). He didn't even think to ask her if she was alright, or talk to her at all until 558/559, following her confession. That doesn't exactly speak of a great care for her over others.

Compare Naruto's care for Hinata to the care he has shown for Gaara, or Shikamaru, or any of the other rookies, and you'll see that Hinata does not hold any special place in his heart like Team 7 and Iruka and his parents do.

Which ties in to this:

first, i have a question for you. there is a chapter titled "proud failure". do you think it was for hinata's character development?

Yes, this was very much for Hinata's character development, but also to help develop Naruto's character as well - to perhaps spell out clearly to the readers through Hinata the kind of person that Naruto is (which he has done through multiple other characters as well).

Naruto bonded with Hinata to the same extent that he bonded with the other rookies in the chuunin exams.

So yes, Kishimoto has developed Naruto and Hinata's relationship, but not to nearly the same extent as Naruto and Sakura's relationship, or Naruto and Sasuke's relationship.

Edited by Paptala, 20 November 2012 - 01:24 AM.

[Don-kun]

I'm sure much of my response is repeating what other's have said (either in part or in whole), but I'll give it a whirl regardless since I was mentioned specifically

The answer to that scene is quite obvious - Hinata was the only person that he saw stabbed in front of him, and she was the only person at "ground zero" when he transformed. Thus, he had no specific reason to think that Sakura was hurt, where he knew that Hinata was seriously, if not fatally, injured.

How do we know that Naruto cares about Sakura more than most people? Because she was one of four people Naruto said saved him from the hell of loneliness, saying that she was one of his most important people in the Gaara fight (which was after all of his development with Hinata in part one).

Because it is Naruto's desire to protect Sakura and her happiness that is specifically brought up time and again (during the FoD, during the Gaara fight, the chapter cover about protecting her smile, Yamato's speech about him really wanting to protect Sakura, etc.).

Because Naruto was willing to put Sakura's happiness before his own, and emotionally sacrificed for her for years with the POAL (which he hasn't done for anyone else - though arguably in some sense for Sasuke as well).

Because Naruto said that Sakura makes him happy, and he hasn't said any thing of the sort concerning Hinata.

Note that with Hinata, Naruto never thought about her once after beating Neji aside from thinking "Where is Hinata? Is she watching?" until their reunion in part 2 (in which all he said was "Hinata? Why are hiding back here?" before she fainted). He didn't even think to ask her if she was alright, or talk to her at all until 558/559, following her confession. That doesn't exactly speak of a great care for her over others.

Compare Naruto's care for Hinata to the care he has shown for Gaara, or Shikamaru, or any of the other rookies, and you'll see that Hinata does not hold any special place in his heart like Team 7 and Iruka and his parents do.

Which ties in to this:

Yes, this was very much for Hinata's character development, but also to help develop Naruto's character as well - to perhaps spell out clearly to the readers through Hinata the kind of person that Naruto is (which he has done through multiple other characters as well).

Naruto bonded with Hinata to the same extent that he bonded with the other rookies in the chuunin exams.

So yes, Kishimoto has developed Naruto and Hinata's relationship, but not to nearly the same extent as Naruto and Sakura's relationship, or Naruto and Sasuke's relationship.

I think I was a little harsh with him, but it come naturally after reading so many inevitable arguments from NH/SS camp on NF.

The thing I don't get about NH, is that we can see so many thing going on between Naruto and Sakura, from praising each other, seductive teasing, tender smile from Sakura only for Naruto and no one else, joking, crying together, smiling together, supporting each other, admiring each other, putting the other one feelings before their on, passionate hugs, blushing at each other, closeness no other male female has in the manga, etc. etc. but Hinata just need to get one panel thinking about Naruto and it overshadow everything NS has already in NH's eyes, I mean NH even wants to claim that Naruto no longer loves Sakura, other says that he already start moving on to loving Hinata.

To be honest there is nothing wrong with NH, NH's problem is the fandom not the pairing itself

[Paptala]

I think I was a little harsh with him, but it come naturally after reading so many inevitable arguments from NH/SS camp on NF.

The thing I don't get about NH, is that we can see so many thing going on between Naruto and Sakura, from praising each other, seductive teasing, tender smile from Sakura only for Naruto and no one else, joking, crying together, smiling together, supporting each other, admiring each other, putting the other one feelings before their on, passionate hugs, blushing at each other, closeness no other male female has in the manga, etc. etc. but Hinata just need to get one panel thinking about Naruto and it overshadow everything NS has already in NH's eyes, I mean NH even wants to claim that Naruto no longer loves Sakura, other says that he already start moving on to loving Hinata.

To be honest there is nothing wrong with NH, NH's problem is the fandom not the pairing itself

Fandoms have a tendency to get ahead of themselves - ours isn't exempt from this either all the time.

I find that reading the posts of neutral/anti Big-3 fans help me keep my perspective from getting too outlandish. Also, reading posts of the other pairings helps to consider things from the other side as well.

But I agree with you that Naruto and Sakura's relationship has many things that the other two do not. Naruto and Sakura have a much closer relationship than Sasuke and Sakura do or Naruto and Hinata does. They have expressions for one another that they haven't given to anyone else in the entire manga. Plus everything else that you listed out.

I also agree that there is an enormous double standard between the treatment of Sakura and Hinata's feelings, and Naruto's feelings. Hinata being worried during the skirmish with Tobi during the search for Itachi arc? True love. Naruto worried about Sakura ever - its just friendship! There's also the fact that many of those fans, when talking about how long its been since Naruto's romantic feelings for Sakura have come up, conveniently omit Naruto's blush in response to Sakura's confession, or the fact that Naruto never said that he didn't like her when Sakura challenged him outright on it). Sai's and Naruto's "She wants to save him because she loves him!" is proof of her romantic love, while Sai's "he really loves you" regarding Naruto and Sakura is just a third party mistake.

This is why I've pretty much stopped participating in the debates, and just stuck to reading them occasionally.

I further agree that in and of itself, NaruHina is not a bad pairing - I just find it boring, and underdeveloped. Its definitely more of the fandom that gets me so against the notion of it becoming canon, especially the tendency of some to place Hinata onto a pedestal while disregarding Naruto's feelings entirely.

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As far as NaruHina's "inevitability" goes, there are a few things that stand out to me: If the end pairing were so obviously NaruHina, why hasn't the anime studio, self-proclaimed Hinata fans, picked up on this and ran with it (i.e. in fillers, OPs/EDs, omakes, etc.)? Why wouldn't Kishi have given Hinata the role Sakura had in RtN / had AU!Hinata play a significant role / a role other than showing jealously over Naruto and Sakura's relationship?

Why not confirm in 469 that Naruto no longer loves Sakura romantically if that was the case? Why bring up Naruto's feelings for Sakura at all after Hinata's confession, especially in such a serious manner as he did in 457? Why hasn't Kishimoto shown anything non-platonic or romantic from Naruto to Hinata since her confession yet?

There's also the fact that Hinata's feelings are the least significant in terms of determining the outcome of the romance subplot, because she is the only one whose feelings don't need to change in order to make a pairing canon:

In order for NaruSaku to happen, Sakura's feelings need to change.
In order for NaruHina to happen, Naruto's feelings need to change.
In order for SasuSaku to happen, Sasuke's feelings need to change.

Naruto's feelings for Sakura have gotten stronger (while his feelings for Hinata haven't been shown to change from what they were after Hinata's proud failure speech in part one), Sasuke's feelings have grown into complete apathy regarding Sakura (whereas Naruto actually has the ability to reach him on some emotional level still), and Sakura's feelings have grown incredibly stronger for Naruto, exhibiting clear non-platonic aspects, while her view of Sasuke has taken a negative turn despite still having romantic feelings for him.

Edited by Paptala, 20 November 2012 - 02:48 AM.

[swagosaurus]

^ THIS.

Amazing post.

[Transformers03]

I agree with nearly everything that has been said in the last few posts.

I haven't been posting a lot lately because 1) I just started college, and 2) I'm happy. I'm very confident about this pairing, so I have some content of believing it will happen. I'm not saying the pairing is canon, nor that any other pairing isn't going to happen, but I just I don't see any reason to doubt. To me, the only reason why this doesn't happen is because 1) Kishi is incredibly terrible at writing a romance story, or 2) Kishi has been trolling us.........HARD. It's one thing to misdirect fans into thinking something, only to reveal something completely different, that's how plot twists work. But it's an other thing to actually put effort into the development between two characters, imply some romantic tension between (even if it is one-sided), only to go the left and have the lesser developed pairing happen (or the worse pairing for SS). It doesn't help that the anime, movies, and videogames seem to support that pairing too, which means if this is a troll, then it's a troll that expands to most of series media outlets.

So if it doesn't end up NS, then I'll applaud the efforts of everyone who was involve with the overall story of the series. I will applaud them for being very dedicated with that plot twist, and ultimately succeeding in trolling with fans.............................................................deuces.........
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[TouKen4Life3g]

Phew, what a amount of readings I had to do and all I can say is: well done. There's nothing else I can say more than that. I already done my rant on Hinata a long time ago, and I don't think I should again. I don't hate her character, but the problem is the fandom behind it. I don't hate the fandom either, but it's putting her as a goddess. It's gotten to the point that even Kishi acknowledges this approach. Luckily, the movie proves that he couldn't care less of popular demand in terms rewriting the story. Imagine if he did listen and change the story for the fans. It would have been Naruto and Hinata going to AU! instead. The fact he written Naruto and Sakura to go to AU! proves me that he does care for these two a lot. Say what you want with Sakura in the manga, but it must be hard at this time, knowing the villains' levels are too much. Best bet is against Team Taka.

One thing I would like to say is that it is true that Naruto cares about everyone, but the one that he mentioned about those who helped him escape from loneliness are the one he treasured the most, no doubt about it. Those guys (some or all) are the one that comes to his mind. Remember how he was so struck by Itachi's genjutsu when he was going over something that he fears a lot. Sasuke for forever evil and never coming back, Sakura for not able to keep a promise to the one he loves, and Kakashi for fail as a student and disappointing him. Gaara is there too, but my main point is that these guys meant a world to him. If one of them dies, it's really hard to say what will happen to him. It was hard enough for him to lose Jiraiya, so imagine them. Obito takes that spot and makes us believe that this could be him.

Oh yeah, one last thing. I find it funny about the anime that in the Pain Arc, after Hinata got hurt and all, the studio managed to add the part whereas Naruto has hard times as well or something like that, which ends up being Sasuke leaving to the dark side and Sakura being hurt by his own 'curse' which is opposite of protecting. Isn't that funny how the studio continues to emphasize on how important these two are for Naruto, which overrides the whole ordeal in the arc. To be honest, I was shocked to see the studio not adding scenes that can be apply as NH in fandom, but nope, instead, continues to make NS the main push. Oh yeah, it's not much but I find it funny when Naruto decides to sense people during the war, and he manages to only read, what I would like to call, "Kishi's only people he truly cares" and yes, Sakura was one of them. No Hinata. Yeah, after the movie, I really think NH is only fandom pairing. I don't hate NH entirely, but at this point if it were to happen, it will be so forced that I couldn't stand. Well, that's all I got to say.

[Canadian_DJ]

The mean something like, You such a baka, but you are my BAKA.
Something like these?

Sakura --Click here to view--

Or this.

Sakura. --Click here to view--

This is a Natural Sakura, while is might seem touching it also keeps the funny Tsundere and the goofy hero part, something that is very essential in a Shonen Manga, what SS and NH wish for for a large romantic development, something we might never get in a Shonen Manga.
Naruto's confession, well that is for another topic.

People who are setting themselves up for a long romantic event are just setting up them self for disappointments.

Oh my god...the first one.....Im meeeltiingg definetly something sakura would say, but the part where she called herself a B pinkhead is totally OOC and retarded and sometging sakura would definetly not say.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Does anyone find it sad that NH brings up the movie, knowing or not knowing, that the movie has no NH whatsoever? They're the last fandom to bring the movie. I even posted there that it's pretty sad that they did it and what's worse, they said Kishi didn't the movie at all.

Thoughts.

[PhenixElite]

Does anyone find it sad that NH brings up the movie, knowing or not knowing, that the movie has no NH whatsoever? They're the last fandom to bring the movie. I even posted there that it's pretty sad that they did it and what's worse, they said Kishi didn't the movie at all.

Thoughts.

Thats why i dont even lock at NF, as long as i dont see what bull$hit they write there i dont have to mind about it. I only care about facts not just weired thoughts.

[redragon88]

How about this topic:

Given that last year Kishimoto said that Sakura had "Slipped his mid", do you fear that she might be relegated to a background character when the Alliance arrives?

I'm sure it wouldn't be as insignificant as just one panel, but I fear that she could just have as much importance and relevance as the rest of the rookies, which she shouldn't given that she's a main character. I would be disappointed if Gai ended up having more relevance that Sakura in relation to assisting Naruto in this final fight.

This is probably Sakura's last time to shine so Kishi owes it to her to give her some notable relevance that makes her stand out from the secondary characters.

While we're at this, Kishi said in the July interview (the one that talked about Tobi's identitiy) that Naruto and Sasuke's next encounter would be during the war, he didn't just imply it, he outright said it. So given that Sasuke is in the middle of some journey how on earth would that happen? Is Sasuke's journey so short that it will only take like an hour? What would Sasuke do during the war if it's not his final confrontation with Naruto?

[PhenixElite]

How about this topic:

Given that last year Kishimoto said that Sakura had "Slipped his mid", do you fear that she might be relegated to a background character when the Alliance arrives?

I'm sure it wouldn't be as insignificant as just one panel, but I fear that she could just have as much importance and relevance as the rest of the rookies, which she shouldn't given that she's a main character. I would be disappointed if Gai ended up having more relevance that Sakura in relation to assisting Naruto in this final fight.

This is probably Sakura's last time to shine so Kishi owes it to her to give her some notable relevance that makes her stand out from the secondary characters.

While we're at this, Kishi said in the July interview (the one that talked about Tobi's identitiy) that Naruto and Sasuke's next encounter would be during the war, he didn't just imply it, he outright said it. So given that Sasuke is in the middle of some journey how on earth would that happen? Is Sasuke's journey so short that it will only take like an hour? What would Sasuke do during the war if it's not his final confrontation with Naruto?

Yes kishi said she slipped his mind, but that was this year so i dont think its ment for 2013. Also he said in juli that all your favourite chjarcters will shine so also sakura for sure.
ABout sasuke: we dont know what happens from now on, maybe madara and obito fall back and naruto and the rookies get a break and then sasuke appears or smth like that.

We just have to wait its coming for sure

Edit:
Also there should be coming a new interview in early 2013 at jump festa i think. Maybe were going to get some intresting news about NS .
Maybe hes saying sakura will play an important role. Would be awesome .

Sakura for sure is going to get her moment if not during the war , then after.

Edited by PhenixElite, 21 November 2012 - 09:55 PM.

[Nostradamus]

Maan nostradamus, i read your loong rant and i loved the whole thing!! dude naruhina fans are just in denial.we narusaku fans dont fight we just state the facts, lol i just remembered something funny that happened when i "trespassed" the naruhina page on fb, i stated my facts and what i found funny about their replies is that ALL their replies were exactly the same but in different context and to top that off the only thing they were good at was saying the f word and bashing , yep thats all they're good at i mean, do all the naruhina think alike? are there brains like connected to eachother? did they like attend a "how to be a naruhina" class? that all remains a mystery...and i really truly tried to process what they-and all the naruhina fans talk about i really do....but there's not a BIT of logic in that pairing-no offense to all those NH fans out there, and honestly i dont even consider naruhina a pairing i consider it something driven by a bunch of mad people in denial, going totally wrong with their so-called "proof" i mean they cant even carry on with one sentence about naruhina logic without mentioning sakura or bashing her why cant they talk about nh facts? the answer:THeY NeVeR HAD ANY TO BeGIN WITH , i mean imagine if narusaku fans were like that-god forbide, not only do i feel like narusaku has logic (which is 100 % true) but i also feel like the fans themselves have logic, i mean naruhina fans dont talk about naruhina, but instead they just go on about how narusaku is an impossible pairing! that just comes to show that they're in denial, and tell you what the naruhina fans KNOW narusaku is gonna happen, they're just panicing, bashing which gives you complete disaster and chaos, and the only reason why we think the naruhina fans are out-numbering us is cuz they're phyco's and they post ALOT of garbage on youtube, fb and make alotta fanfics other than that they're just panicing, and im beginning to wonder if they even read the same manga as we do , oh yeah i totally forgot, they go according to they're fanfics .Yeah so im done rambling on about those naruhina fans oohoo but there's soo much more i wanna say about their stupidity, all i wanna say is ignore those ppl that are in denial.@redragon88 sakura is gonna be able to summon slugs due to tsunades death.

First of all thank you for spending you time to read that rant, I really appreciate it means a lot. Also I want to thank everyone who actually read it. It means that I wasn’t wasting my time. Much obliged.
Secondly I really have no real problem with people who like Naruhina or Sasusaku, everyone is free to support what they like. My problem is with ignorant people, which almost all of the NH fans are. I only saw one girl on a forum that liked SS and she admitted that paring most likely isn’t going to happen and I actually congratulated her for not being ignorant.
To be honest I went overboard in my rant when I talked about Hinata and that’s because I’m a “Naruto” fan and I like the story, the characters etc. the reason I said what I said about her is because I want more from her. Something besides her obsession with Naruto, I mean she is the only one of the rookies that has no development what so ever, the only real development is that she was big balloons and that’s it. If you really look at the manga team 8 became team B, Kiba has the most development from that team after him there’s Shino who got some development in part 1 and Hinata who was nothing. Everyone had a moment where they shined, they showed how much they improved (Naruto, Sakura, Shikamaru, Chouji, etc.). The reason I said that there are two Hinata is because it’s true. The anime team basically took Kishi’s Hinata and threw almost all of her away only a couple of attributes remain and even those are modified. The anime Hinata is cute, sweet, strong, smart, actually did something in the storyline, she’s a good person, all around she is a good character, likable, the anime team basically made her into a main character. I really have no problem with this Hinata, like I said she is likable character. But that’s also where the problem appears because that’s not the real Hinata, she is not Kishis Hinata. All of her fans are in love with the anime Hinata not Kishis Hinata. The problem I have with Kishis Hinata is the fact that she hasn’t improved at all, she did nothing in the entire storyline, it’s just “Naruto-kun”, “Naruto-kun” and of course “Naruto-kun”. That’s it. Her entire character is basically “Naruto-kun”. And I have a problem with that because I want more.

[redragon88]

^ But what about her fight with Neji?

That was clear development for her. She proved that she wasn't going to give up. Every time Neji struck her down she got back but because she didn't want to look bad in front of Naruto. She showed character growth during that fight.

Even if she lost, she proved she possessed determination. And just because she was doing it for Naruto it doesn't diminish its significance. In many shonen manga people keep on fighting in order to make others proud, Hinata isn't any different.

In retrospect, I think her fight with Neji was more significance to her development than her confession to Naruto and suicidal attack of Pain.

[luffyq1]

Question:

Just got finish reading chapter 98 again and the title of that chapter is called "proud failure". So i was wondering does that mean Hinata is going to fail in being together with Naruto but come out with confidence after it? Because not only in that chapter did she have the courage to meet Naruto and talk to him after her defeat, but she also said that she "liked herself a bit more and felt that she had become stronger" after the outcome of her fight with Neji. I know that the "proud failure" line was delivered from Hinata to Naruto. But considering what she said about herself after she got defeated by neji it got me thinking. Is the "proud failure" pointed more towards Hinata or Naruto?

Edited by luffyq1, 22 November 2012 - 04:00 AM.

[rocci]

Question:

Just got finish reading chapter 98 again and the title of that chapter is called "proud failure". So i was wondering does that mean Hinata is going to fail in being together with Naruto but come out with confidence after it? Because not only in that chapter did she have the courage to meet Naruto and talk to him after her defeat, but she also said that she "liked herself a bit more and felt that she had become stronger" after the outcome of her fight with Neji. I know that the "proud failure" line was delivered from Hinata to Naruto. But considering what she said about herself after she got defeated by neji it got me thinking. Is the "proud failure" pointed more towards Hinata or Naruto?

I think it's both(and rock lee too). if u read the battle between neji n naruto it's about genius vs loser. when naruto almost lose he remember hinata and rock lee who at that time are losers.

btw i like your post in naruto forum it's good to see logical fan. good job

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

Yes but this whole "genius vs loser" turned out something out of place on shippuuden
because naruto has a kekkei genkai, it's the son of the 4th, descendant of a senju, it's an jinchuuriki and his kekkei genkai allows him to have a perfect sinergy with the bijuu, plus the fact he's the "child of the porphesy" so....
i think the whole genius vs loser should change "to not giving up" it's the best option.

the "loser" here should be sakura she has 0 kekkei genkai and became a good ninja better than some anbu's( which always die inexplicable easy) and some jounins.

Edited by dovahkiin, 24 November 2012 - 12:36 AM.

[Jake]

Yes but this whole "genius vs loser" turned out something out of place on shippuuden
because naruto has a kekkei genkai, it's the son of the 4th, descendant of a senju, it's an jinchuuriki and his kekkei genkai allows him to have a perfect sinergy with the bijuu, plus the fact he's the "child of the porphesy" so....
i think the whole genius vs loser should change "to not giving up" it's the best option.

the "loser" here should be sakura she has 0 kekkei genkai and became a good ninja better than some anbu's( which always die inexplicable easy) and some jounins.

Naruto does not have a Kekkei Genkai, a Kekkei Genkai is a technique passed down through someone's bloodline and we already know that Kurama was not on good terms with either of his Jinchurikis or their husbands for that matter so it sure as hell couldn't have come from his parents.