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#5461 Phantom_999

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 07:06 PM

QUOTE (Naruhina488 @ Sep 24 2011, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No. Naruto and hinata will meet each other while sakura is dead. Then naruhina will be cannon (It almost is) After 469, naruto won't waste 20 seconds with her, this is how it will happen. Naruto is fighting on the battlefield, why in hell's court would he spend time with sakura rather than kicking ass??? Jeez. facepalm.png


You know if you say something like that you might as well prove it. WHEN did Naruto stop paying Sakura any attention after chapter 469? AND MORE importantly did he EVER talk to Hinata at all after HER confession? EVIDENCE PLEASE. Also WHY do you assume Sakura will die? mellow.gif If its because you don't like her or she interferes with NaruHina that's not reasonable so don't bring it up again dry.gif

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 07:26 PM

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Oh, btw, I do recommend you read Mizura's manifesto. It's really awesome (but very long). Its been years since I read it...I wonder what points might still be valid or not? That would be interesting to see, what things years ago still apply to NS today, or perhaps what things have changed.


I also reccomned it highly. Mizura is highly insightful and very meticulous with her research and work. And the true genius of the work is that even today the majority of it 90+% remains canon compliant and still highly relevant to this day.
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Posted 24 September 2011 - 07:26 PM

QUOTE (Naruhina488 @ Sep 24 2011, 07:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No. Naruto and hinata will meet each other while sakura is dead. Then naruhina will be cannon (It almost is) After 469, naruto won't waste 20 seconds with her, this is how it will happen. Naruto is fighting on the battlefield, why in hell's court would he spend time with sakura rather than kicking ass??? Jeez. facepalm.png

Well Sakura may end up dead like any other character, but Naruto wouldn't be tagging with Hinata if it happened, he would probably just turn into the 9-tails (as bad as that sounds)... wait that can't happen, so no Sakura won't die, sorry.

Naruto: Sakura is dead... *uggghhhh* (is now 9-tails)
9-tails: Hey look Sakura is dead *eats Sakura*
Hinata: Hel- *gets eaten too*
Madara: *sends out 1, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 tails to destroy it and then have just bee to capture easily*
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Posted 24 September 2011 - 07:49 PM

Yay, finally a contrary opinion to make this thread interesting! I'm not sure if you're trolling, or you are planning to frequent this forum for the sake of argument, but I'll respond to you anyway.

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No. Naruto and hinata will meet each other while sakura is dead.

Well, that's a bit of speculation right there. If Kishi was planning to go in that direction, then why did he not kill Sakura off during the Iron Country Arc? Say what you want about Kishi's story-telling methods, but I really can't see the merit in almost killing a character off, bringing them back, and then actually killing them off a few arcs later. If Kishi couldn't bring himself to kill off Neji, Chouji, or Hinata, then why would he suddenly decide to kill off his main heroine?

As for Naruto and Hinata meeting each other, it might happen, but I feel like they've had plenty of chances to meet before the war started that Kishi chose not to use. Which is odd, since he found plenty of time to show Naruto and Sakura interacting after the Pein Invasion, and before the Confinement Arc.
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Then naruhina will be cannon (It almost is)

I don't want to sound condescending, even I though I probably already am, but I definately laughed at this. Please explain how the N/H pairing is "almost" canon. From what I've seen, it's still on the same ground it was before her confession, which doesn't seem like a good sign to me. In fact, one could argue that her knowing smile during Sakura's hug in 450 could be enough to let us know just how Hinata feels towards Naruto and Sakura's blossoming relationship.
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After 469, naruto won't waste 20 seconds with her, this is how it will happen.

Well, this is easy to debunk. After Sakura's confession, we've seen Naruto interacting positively with her on at least one occasion, and also saving her life. So I don't think he bears any hard feelings over the confession.
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Naruto is fighting on the battlefield, why in hell's court would he spend time with sakura rather than kicking ass??? Jeez. facepalm.png

I actually sort of agree with this, but keep in mind how these stories generally seems to flow. Unless Kishi rushes this current war arc to finish up the manga as fast as he can, it seems to me like Kishi will probably have a "calm before the storm" scenario. It doesn't seem likely to me that Naruto will keep winning battle after battle and just suddenly be fighting Sasuke/Madara. Besides, we've already seen that the White Zetsu army had infiltrated the medical camp, so it's not like a potential reunion of the two would come out of nowhere.

Whoo, this took me longer to type than I thought. There'll probably be a few responses to your post already, but hopefully I'm not too late for the party. tongue.gif

And welcome to H & E! Assuming you stick around anyway. It seems like too often that we get N/H fans coming here just to leave their thoughts and then never coming back. Oh well, this thread needed a boost, so thanks!

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 09:57 PM

:O Then tell me why naruto went into 6 tailsfor her? When he wanted to bring back sasuke in the orichimaru fight he went 4 tails. But when Hinata was killed he went 6 tails. That clearly proves hinata is more important than sasuke (which was one of his goals to bring him back) When sakura was almost killed by sasuke he didn't transform into kyubi. That means hinata is more important then sakura. Despite the fact that Sakura does not love naruto, why do you think they will be canon? I'm not a hater I'm pretty neutral towards NS, but do we see her saying I love you to him that's not a lie? No. The hug was not romantic. Out of all pairings this one cofuses me. Naruto is a seme, sakura is a seme, It will never work! Opposites attract. And in this case the opposites are naruto and hinata. Oh and for her confession, it was a lie. Why was she looking away when she told naruto she loved him? Because when people do that it's not True. I like NS but NH sounds more canon.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:09 PM

QUOTE (Naruhina488 @ Sep 24 2011, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
:O Then tell me why naruto went into 6 tailsfor her? When he wanted to bring back sasuke in the orichimaru fight he went 4 tails. But when Hinata was killed he went 6 tails. That clearly proves hinata is more important than sasuke (which was one of his goals to bring him back) When sakura was almost killed by sasuke he didn't transform into kyubi. That means hinata is more important then sakura. Despite the fact that Sakura does not love naruto, why do you think they will be canon? I'm not a hater I'm pretty neutral towards NS, but do we see her saying I love you to him that's not a lie? No. The hug was not romantic. Out of all pairings this one cofuses me. Naruto is a seme, sakura is a seme, It will never work! Opposites attract. And in this case the opposites are naruto and hinata. Oh and for her confession, it was a lie. Why was she looking away when she told naruto she loved him? Because when people do that it's not True. I like NS but NH sounds more canon.


Hey, you came back, I'll give you props for that. Hmmm, opposites attract is kinda half and half. Sometimes, it works and sometimes it doesn't because it just does not seem right in terms of chemistry.

Most of us here likes narusaku is on the basis of how they interact with each other and imo, I just don't see Naruto and Hinata having that great chemistry when they interact as oppose to Naruto and Sakura interacting. And I think on the list of important people in Naruto's life, its bound to be Sakura, Sasuke, Jiriaya, and Tsunade amongst the top and Hinata amongst the middle bottom. Now, if Hinata was a main character and had more interactions with Naruto as much as Sakura has. I might incline to agree with you on your points, but since there are hardly any interactions, I can't make that deduction as much as I want to.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:31 PM

Well for one thing Sakura wasn't actually hurt by Sasuke. If she WAS nearly killed by Sasuke with a huge gaping hole in her THEN Naruto would go Kyuubi. Second Naruto did NOT mean Sakura was lying about her confession, he meant that her forgetting about Sasuke was the lie because she had proven otherwise from what she was saying thst she's over him(eg. crying when Karui demanded to know what Sasuke was to her.) As for that " the hug was not romantic" comment I'd like to point out that IF Hinata hugged Naruto You would dance down your neighborhood til you dropped(don't deny it) so my point is how is Sakura's hug any different from how Hinata would hug Naruto? And don't go saying cause Sakura only sees him as a brother cause she did a whole heck of stuff that wasn't sister-like. For instance, has Hinata ever tried to feed Naruto? or since she was SO CONCERNED about him during the fight with pain(I'm not denying just emphaizing) why wasn't it HER that was hugging him first before Sakura? They haven't even spoken face to face since her confession so like Boom...Winning pointed out their relationship and interactions are no different from before and hasn't improved one bit.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:32 PM

QUOTE (Naruhina488 @ Sep 24 2011, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
:O Then tell me why naruto went into 6 tailsfor her? When he wanted to bring back sasuke in the orichimaru fight he went 4 tails. But when Hinata was killed he went 6 tails. That clearly proves hinata is more important than sasuke (which was one of his goals to bring him back) When sakura was almost killed by sasuke he didn't transform into kyubi. That means hinata is more important then sakura. Despite the fact that Sakura does not love naruto, why do you think they will be canon? I'm not a hater I'm pretty neutral towards NS, but do we see her saying I love you to him that's not a lie? No. The hug was not romantic. Out of all pairings this one cofuses me. Naruto is a seme, sakura is a seme, It will never work! Opposites attract. And in this case the opposites are naruto and hinata. Oh and for her confession, it was a lie. Why was she looking away when she told naruto she loved him? Because when people do that it's not True. I like NS but NH sounds more canon.

Why would he of turned into the fox while having to save sakura in 0.0001 secs and trying to talk to his best friend? Also, be aware that Sakura loves Naruto now. Her confession was true because Sai explaned to him that Sakura's plan was to tell him that everyone agreed to just killing Sasuke and he needed to come back to the village, instead she told him that she loved him, only reason Naruto didn't get happy was because when she mentioned Sasuke he knew something was up, and by that i mean that he caught Sakura caring for him more than Sasuke, which is explaned more than once. Anyway, how is Hinata telling Naruto she loves him and him not really caring anywhere near canon(yes he went 6-tails but you try having your friend blend death for you infront of ur eyes, and let me state than he was pinned down, fox was only option so im sure half of him was like, "ITS GO TIME". I see NH having maybe 1 more scene and Kishi saying, sorry guys but no NH. Beleive what you want but just try to read more on this manga before you say its more canon (not that is bad you think that, everyone gets a right to their opinions).

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:42 PM

QUOTE (Naruhina488 @ Sep 24 2011, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
:O Then tell me why naruto went into 6 tailsfor her? When he wanted to bring back sasuke in the orichimaru fight he went 4 tails. But when Hinata was killed he went 6 tails. That clearly proves hinata is more important than sasuke (which was one of his goals to bring him back) When sakura was almost killed by sasuke he didn't transform into kyubi. That means hinata is more important then sakura. Despite the fact that Sakura does not love naruto, why do you think they will be canon? I'm not a hater I'm pretty neutral towards NS, but do we see her saying I love you to him that's not a lie? No. The hug was not romantic. Out of all pairings this one cofuses me. Naruto is a seme, sakura is a seme, It will never work! Opposites attract. And in this case the opposites are naruto and hinata. Oh and for her confession, it was a lie. Why was she looking away when she told naruto she loved him? Because when people do that it's not True. I like NS but NH sounds more canon.

Naruto would have went 6 tails if ANY of his friends at that point got that severely injured right in front of his eyes. Sasuke wasn't dead or injured that badly; not even close. And neither was Sakura; Sakura was barely touched, actually, whereas Hinata was on the brink of death. Naruto got there just in time to save her; she was not injured like Hinata was. Hinata, one of Naruto's friends, almost died. That was a big enough reason to go 6 tails. Hinata is not more important than Sasuke or Sakura; she has pretty shallow character development, actually (here's your proof: Credit goes to Broken_Figurine). To claim that she is more important to Naruto than his teammates with reasoning like that... I'm sorry, but it's proven wrong once you think logically. Again, if any of Naruto's friends got that severely hurt in front of his eyes, he would have reacted like he did (if not even worse).

As for the "opposites attract" thing, I have to disagree: relationship development is far more important than having opposite personalities. Naruto and Sakura have been through a ton together, and a solid foundation has been built for NaruSaku. The same cannot be said for NaruHina; the development of that pairing is barely any. Sure, Hinata has provided enough development for the relationship on her part, but Naruto hasn't at all. A relationship takes two.

Finally, the part about the hug... Kishimoto himself said that he was trying to portray an honest girl when he wrote that part of the story (referring to Sakura, of course). I'm sure you can get a link to the interview/article if you ask around here a bit; I myself don't have the link saved (sadly), but I know that some others do.
Also, even if Sakura was lying, NaruSaku still has more foundation than both NaruHina and SasuSaku. If you want proof of that... well, just ask me specifically about certain things in regards to the relationship. I'm too lazy to list every single thing NaruSaku has going for it out right now tongue.gif But I will be glad to answer any specific questions you have in regards to the pairing.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 10:55 PM

First off, I tend to be pretty tactless in these shipping arguments, so I apologize in advance if I sound rude.

QUOTE (Naruhina488 @ Sep 24 2011, 04:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
:O Then tell me why naruto went into 6 tailsfor her? When he wanted to bring back sasuke in the orichimaru fight he went 4 tails. But when Hinata was killed he went 6 tails. That clearly proves hinata is more important than sasuke (which was one of his goals to bring him back) When sakura was almost killed by sasuke he didn't transform into kyubi. That means hinata is more important then sakura.

No offense, but your logic is pretty simplistic. You really need to take into account the magnitude of those three individual events. Orochimaru's mere mention of Sasuke was what triggered his four-tails transformation, and he arrived as Sakura was about to be killed by Sasuke, so he was able to avert her death without going berserk. With Hinata, he witnessed her death before his very eyes. On top of that, it was previously mentioned that his seal was weakening. There is a huge difference in the context of those three events. I guarantee that, if he were to witness Sasuke or Sakura die in front of him, his reaction would be the same, if not worse.
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Despite the fact that Sakura does not love naruto, why do you think they will be canon? I'm not a hater I'm pretty neutral towards NS, but do we see her saying I love you to him that's not a lie? No. The hug was not romantic.

The hug may not have seemed romantic from a western perspective (though even I doubt that, considering all the photoshopped N/H hugs I saw after that chapter), but you have to look at it from a Japanese perspective. PDA's are very rare in Japanese culture, from what I gather, and the reactions of the people around them prove that it was more than just a 'friend hug'. If you look at that panel, Kakashi looks shocked (how often does that happen wink.gif) and a little girl is looking at the two of them blushing. There would be no purpose in drawing those character reactions if this was not the intention.
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Out of all pairings this one cofuses me. Naruto is a seme, sakura is a seme, It will never work! Opposites attract. And in this case the opposites are naruto and hinata.

"Opposites attract" is a bit of a personal opinion. Even so, the yin/yang idea in relationships is much better illustrated with Naru/Saku. Sakura has expert chakra control, but poor stamina, while Naruto seems to have difficulty with basic ninja techniques, but excels tremendously with a few jutsu due to his massive stamina. Sakura has a very intelligent, analytical mind, while Naruto is a "shoot first, ask questions later" type.

And of course, this has been illustrated in the manga itself. If you look at this page, Iruka comments on Naruto and Sakura's affinities, on how they seem to lack what the other seems to excel in. Also note how he uses the terms "heaven" and "earth", with heaven tradionally being associated with yang, and earth being associated with yin. So if Kishi wants to go with an "opposites attract" theme, as you say, he's certainly providing more evidence for Naru/Saku in that regard.
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Oh and for her confession, it was a lie. Why was she looking away when she told naruto she loved him? Because when people do that it's not True.

There are multiple ways to look at the confession, but the basic idea was that Sakura had an ulterior motive when she made it. It was never stated in the manga canon to be a lie. The only thing she was lying about, as Naruto voiced at the end of the chapter, was that she was completely over Sasuke. Her reaction to Naruto's 'rejection' was certainly not appropriate for one who just finished lying to her friend. She seemed angry and indignant at his response. If she was acting the whole time, then why did her acting ability suddenly just get way better after he commented on her "lying to herself"? It seems to me that part of her confession was true, and she does have romantic feelings for Naruto, much like Yamato and Sai have commented on in the past.
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I like NS but NH sounds more canon.

Well, that seems hard to believe, considering you just claimed to believe that Sakura will be dead when N/H becomes canon. In any case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I myself actually shipped N/H until only a couple years ago. I admit, it could potentially be a nice pairing, but when the arc containing Naru/Hina's highest moment in the manga, her confession, ended on a Naru/Saku note, I realized that the pairing wasn't going to go anywhere. At it still hasn't.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 11:06 PM

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Well, that seems hard to believe, considering you just claimed to believe that Sakura will be dead when N/H becomes canon. In any case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I myself actually shipped N/H until only a couple years ago. I admit, it could potentially be a nice pairing, but when the arc containing Naru/Hina's highest moment in the manga, her confession, ended on a Naru/Saku note, I realized that the pairing wasn't going to go anywhere. At it still hasn't.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 11:12 PM

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"Opposites attract" is a bit of a personal opinion. Even so, the yin/yang idea in relationships is much better illustrated with Naru/Saku. Sakura has expert chakra control, but poor stamina, while Naruto seems to have difficulty with basic ninja techniques, but excels tremendously with a few jutsu due to his massive stamina. Sakura has a very intelligent, analytical mind, while Naruto is a "shoot first, ask questions later" type.


Oh man, I tend to forget that they both have opposite tactics and abilities that actually helps both of them out as a unit. Maybe that's because Naruto is getting better as a strategist and Sakura with her chakra enhanced strength. Though their personalities go well like a very well-oiled unit because they are kinda similar but not really, which makes for some nice interactions.

Anywho, back to my original question. What would the interaction be like after the war? Like how would the transition from friends to lovers be very subtle so that when the epilogue comes, the transition from that point to the epilogue would be seamless.

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Posted 24 September 2011 - 11:16 PM

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First off, I tend to be pretty tactless in these shipping arguments, so I apologize in advance if I sound rude.


No offense, but your logic is pretty simplistic. You really need to take into account the magnitude of those three individual events. Orochimaru's mere mention of Sasuke was what triggered his four-tails transformation, and he arrived as Sakura was about to be killed by Sasuke, so he was able to avert her death without going berserk. With Hinata, he witnessed her death before his very eyes. On top of that, it was previously mentioned that his seal was weakening. There is a huge difference in the context of those three events. I guarantee that, if he were to witness Sasuke or Sakura die in front of him, his reaction would be the same, if not worse.

The hug may not have seemed romantic from a western perspective (though even I doubt that, considering all the photoshopped N/H hugs I saw after that chapter), but you have to look at it from a Japanese perspective. PDA's are very rare in Japanese culture, from what I gather, and the reactions of the people around them prove that it was more than just a 'friend hug'. If you look at that panel, Kakashi looks shocked (how often does that happen wink.gif) and a little girl is looking at the two of them blushing. There would be no purpose in drawing those character reactions if this was not the intention.

"Opposites attract" is a bit of a personal opinion. Even so, the yin/yang idea in relationships is much better illustrated with Naru/Saku. Sakura has expert chakra control, but poor stamina, while Naruto seems to have difficulty with basic ninja techniques, but excels tremendously with a few jutsu due to his massive stamina. Sakura has a very intelligent, analytical mind, while Naruto is a "shoot first, ask questions later" type.

And of course, this has been illustrated in the manga itself. If you look at this page, Iruka comments on Naruto and Sakura's affinities, on how they seem to lack what the other seems to excel in. Also note how he uses the terms "heaven" and "earth", with heaven tradionally being associated with yang, and earth being associated with yin. So if Kishi wants to go with an "opposites attract" theme, as you say, he's certainly providing more evidence for Naru/Saku in that regard.

There are multiple ways to look at the confession, but the basic idea was that Sakura had an ulterior motive when she made it. It was never stated in the manga canon to be a lie. The only thing she was lying about, as Naruto voiced at the end of the chapter, was that she was completely over Sasuke. Her reaction to Naruto's 'rejection' was certainly not appropriate for one who just finished lying to her friend. She seemed angry and indignant at his response. If she was acting the whole time, then why did her acting ability suddenly just get way better after he commented on her "lying to herself"? It seems to me that part of her confession was true, and she does have romantic feelings for Naruto, much like Yamato and Sai have commented on in the past.

Well, that seems hard to believe, considering you just claimed to believe that Sakura will be dead when N/H becomes canon. In any case, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I myself actually shipped N/H until only a couple years ago. I admit, it could potentially be a nice pairing, but when the arc containing Naru/Hina's highest moment in the manga, her confession, ended on a Naru/Saku note, I realized that the pairing wasn't going to go anywhere. At it still hasn't.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 02:18 AM

Ive covered this before but ill bring this particular part back because it really is simplistic to use this argument.

Naruto went 6 tails when hinata was hurt so she is mroe important. this is simply not true and mroe to the point greviously overlooks much fo the prior action. Naruto at this point had just had his entire world shaken by pein. His village destroyed, his mentor killed by the perosn standing before him, his sensei (kakashi) also killed as he coudl not sense him.

Then his entire world view and motivaton were not only callled into question but were done so in sucha fashion as to shake his world view so drastically that he was questioning his entire purpose much as he did during the Gaara fight.

lastly he was hurt and tired and the seal as was mentioned before was and has been weakenings teadilly to this point.

now enter hinata a person who to this point in the manga has spoken a grand total of maybe 4-6 sentences to him. IN TOTAL. these tow have barely spoken they barely know each other. She suddenly out of nowhere jumps in front of and is injured by a seemingly unstoppable opponent who had trashed the village and then she blindsides him with a SUDDEN confession of love ((remember again most importantly from Narutos perspective THESE TWO DO NOT KNOW AND HAVE BARELY INTERACTED WITH EACH OTHER. there is no canon material to support any interactions outside of ninja work and the one team up while searching for Itachi and Sasuke.

So this happens and she is seemingly murdered right in front of him. of Course hes going to blow a gasket a person he deems a friend even one he barely interacts with was jsut calously murdered in front of him to prove a point. a calous and brutal act that would outrage anybody much less a person like Naruto who cried over the death of Gaara a person hed interacted with only in battle while trying to save Sakura from death at gaaras hands.

Now imagine this. he went 6 tails when a person he barely knew was murdered in front of him. Imagine what would have happened if the perosn attacked had been someone else Iruka perhaps (teacher mentor friend closest to a father hes ever known), Konohomaru (little brother), what about Tsunade (mother/grandmother figure to him). People hes known and come to give a greta part of his heart too and which have quantifiable manga canon interaction and development with him.

Now imagine Sakura (teamate, friend, Person he is in love with, crush, self admitted most precious person, Promise of a lifetime) if she had been hirt after maing a similar declaration ro even jsut saying "I will never let him take you ever."

the resulting backlash would have probably gone and shot him straight to 8 tails and maybe even 9 flat. after that were talking a whole new manga.
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Posted 25 September 2011 - 03:11 AM

QUOTE (Naruhina488 @ Sep 24 2011, 05:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
:O Then tell me why naruto went into 6 tailsfor her? When he wanted to bring back sasuke in the orichimaru fight he went 4 tails. But when Hinata was killed he went 6 tails. That clearly proves hinata is more important than sasuke (which was one of his goals to bring him back)

First off, Hinata didn't die. Second, Naruto doesn't like using his tails. Doing so is considered a failure for him (before he trained to use the Kyuubi the right way). So, Hinata tries to help, doesn't succede, and forces Naruto into desperation mode. Which part of this means he loves Hinata? None of it. Because of Hinata, Naruto had to feel great guilt and regret.

Also, Hinata isn't more important than Sasuke. That is pretty much impossible as Sasuke is the first person Naruto felt a connection to.

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When sakura was almost killed by sasuke he didn't transform into kyubi. That means hinata is more important then sakura.

Naruto doesn't want to transform, nor was the situation to the point where he needed to. And sorry, Hinata, once again, isn't at the level of importance that Sakura is. Sakura is who he is in love with, and until it is stated otherwise, this point stands.

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Despite the fact that Sakura does not love naruto, why do you think they will be canon? I'm not a hater I'm pretty neutral towards NS, but do we see her saying I love you to him that's not a lie? No. The hug was not romantic.

If you say so, though the on-looking crowd seemed to be blushing...

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Out of all pairings this one cofuses me. Naruto is a seme, sakura is a seme, It will never work!

Seme is a yaoi reference, isn't it? It doesn't really apply XD You are basically saying Sakura can't be with a man because she sometimes has a dominating personality. Obviously, this isn't true.

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Opposites attract. And in this case the opposites are naruto and hinata. Oh and for her confession, it was a lie. Why was she looking away when she told naruto she loved him? Because when people do that it's not True. I like NS but NH sounds more canon.

Depends on the couple to what extent they are opposites. Naruto is attracted to Sakura, who is not exactly opposite him, but instead complimentary. For example, the Heaven and Earth complimenting scenario. Sakura and Naruto have a lot of similarities, which probably also attracts Naruto to her.

Hinata is attracted to Naruto in that he is who she wants to be like. In Naruto she see something to idolize in comparison to herself. In this case, yes, Hinata is attracted to what makes him different, but a big part of that attraction is idolization. Doesn't exactly make her love better, it is just different.

In fact, the purest love shown so far is Naruto's for Sakura, for he was willing to give up his chances with her in order for her to be happy. Neither Hinata nor Sakura has expressed such selfless love as of yet. Sakura's confession to Sasuke expressed desperation and selfishness, and Hinata's confession to Naruto she herself described as selfish as well.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 03:32 AM

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In fact, the purest love shown so far is Naruto's for Sakura, for he was willing to give up his chances with her in order for her to be happy. Neither Hinata nor Sakura has expressed such selfless love as of yet. Sakura's confession to Sasuke expressed desperation and selfishness, and Hinata's confession to Naruto she herself described as selfish as well.



Sorry, but question? Where did it say that Hinata's confession was selfish of herself? I just wanted to make sure for the record.

Btw, if the naruhina guy who was here eariler wants to make a point on how Hinata would compliment Naruto in terms of everything in a relationship as well as the benefits for Naruto for being with Hinata, in any way shape or form, then that would be nice because that would stir a very good debate.

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 03:56 AM

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Sorry, but question? Where did it say that Hinata's confession was selfish of herself? I just wanted to make sure for the record.

Btw, if the naruhina guy who was here eariler wants to make a point on how Hinata would compliment Naruto in terms of everything in a relationship as well as the benefits for Naruto for being with Hinata, in any way shape or form, then that would be nice because that would stir a very good debate.


She said it herself when she entered the battlefield here: "I'm just being selfish..."

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 04:17 AM

If NS was supposed to happen don't you think it would have already happened? How come naruto did ABSOLUTLEY nothing when she hugged him? Show me the link to that interview if anyone has it. Anywho, One of the chapters where itachi is talking about Minato becoming hokage with kushina's support was for naruhina refrence. Sakura doesn't support him and doubts him, but hinata will always support him and never doubts him. If kishi wants to be original then he will not make the main girlxmain guy, he will do the shy girlxmain guy. Hinata has shown up many times during part 1 and often in part 2. That doesn't sound secondary to me. Naruto saw hinata in the waterfall thingy and made cookies of his face. Lastly, she was watching naruto leave the village with jirayai. ZOMG hint! Tell me the reasons why Naruhina won't happen. I want to know. blowup.gif

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 04:22 AM

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If NS was supposed to happen don't you think it would have already happened? How come naruto did ABSOLUTLEY nothing when she hugged him? Show me the link to that interview if anyone has it. Anywho, One of the chapters where itachi is talking about Minato becoming hokage with kushina's support was for naruhina refrence. Sakura doesn't support him and doubts him, but hinata will always support him and never doubts him. If kishi wants to be original then he will not make the main girlxmain guy, he will do the shy girlxmain guy. Hinata has shown up many times during part 1 and often in part 2. That doesn't sound secondary to me. Naruto saw hinata in the waterfall thingy and made cookies of his face. Lastly, she was watching naruto leave the village with jirayai. ZOMG hint! Tell me the reasons why Naruhina won't happen. I want to know. blowup.gif

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 04:27 AM

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If NS was supposed to happen don't you think it would have already happened? How come naruto did ABSOLUTLEY nothing when she hugged him? Show me the link to that interview if anyone has it. Anywho, One of the chapters where itachi is talking about Minato becoming hokage with kushina's support was for naruhina refrence. Sakura doesn't support him and doubts him, but hinata will always support him and never doubts him. If kishi wants to be original then he will not make the main girlxmain guy, he will do the shy girlxmain guy. Hinata has shown up many times during part 1 and often in part 2. That doesn't sound secondary to me. Naruto saw hinata in the waterfall thingy and made cookies of his face. Lastly, she was watching naruto leave the village with jirayai. ZOMG hint! Tell me the reasons why Naruhina won't happen. I want to know. blowup.gif


I, respectfully, disagree with that statement. Heck, during that rasenshriken training, Sakura was always supporting Naruto with her making those pills (they may have tasted bad, but at least its helping him in some way) and the whole speech to Sai, in the anime, about Naruto never giving up because he's F'en Naruto, which lead to realization that Sakura actually does care for him. If you don't count that as support, then I don't know what is. Why don't you tell me then? Though, I do agree on if it was suppose to happen, then why it hasn't already happened part, I don't know why Kishi did not pull the trigger on that yet. But that might be the case for Naruhina as well. If, its suppose to happen then why it didn't happen yet?

For the second bolded, I said it before, the chemistry when they interact is not sound and I just don't see Naruto being happy with Hinata. I want to know the perks, Naruto has with being with Hinata as I stated in my last post. If you can't answer that, I'm afraid your case is almost irrelevant. And I actually do want to be on your side in this, but if you can't answer how Naruto and Hinata complements each other, the way Sakura and Naruto complements each other, I'm afraid your arguments are respectfully weak and that this whole thing is going nowhere and that you might want to go to a NH fansite for this, because I just can't tell what you want from us.

And I agree with Zac. I pretty much can't quite argue with you anymore, not because of you, but because of my lack of patience, hence the deep breath when I had to make the first post to your response, that took a lot out of me. Might as well take your arguments to the mods or long-time members, because I can't quite post, at this point, without saying irrational stuff because I don't want to be banned for bashing. I love this site, so yeah, you win against me. But the paragraphs before this still stands.

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