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Posted 10 August 2013 - 09:36 PM

 
Very much agreed. Obito sees a lot of resemblance between Naruto and his old self and Naruto will probably do the same once he knows about Obito's story and his reasons (a.k.a. Rin and... huh, Rin).
Naruto can even trace a parallel line between them ...  they both love the female part of their teams and have never had their feelings reciprocated (in Naruto's point of view, we can arguably assume he believes such).
They also used to hate the male counterpart but have grown to acknowledge them not just as rivals but as their best friends.
 
I've just posted something very similar in another thread... so I'll summarize here saying that I think a good NS moment will emerge from this event.


That's the thing. Naruto and Obito shares a lot of similar traits, yet Naruto never hear what is it. When Pain/Nagato explains his story, Naruto realized their ideals of peace by Jiraiya, so Naruto got the perfect words to express it by his experience as well as using Nagato's. That said when Obito explains his reasons and such to Naruto, he will know what to say and officially compare himself to his. Nagato is about finding peace from ending hatred, which resembles Sasuke hence one moment of Sasuke being mentioned. Obito is about achieving dreams, which resembles Hokage title and love (Sakura), which is why Rin is being mentioned as well as Hokage. This just occurred to me now and that's why it's different from Pain, because of ideas.

I am about to write a LAP on my view on Naruto/Obito to one of my friend, so when I am done, I will share it here.

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 10:02 PM

I know. Well to be fair, even if he does apologize to Naruto and Sakura, at least Karin will still stick out more than others in Team Taka. As if to say, "Yeah, you guys I care, but Karin is 'the most of all'". That said I do believe Sasuke's part, if he even gets one that is, could end up being a "WTF" moment. In Shaman King, the rival character got married and even got a kid, so that caused the gang to feel surprised but the "WTF" moment happens when he revealed who the wife is. So pretty much, that can happen and let's face it, it does seem like a perfect opportunity especially since Kishi likes to bring comedy.

You know, I always saw it more that it will be a " WTF " moment for SK if he chose to make to pair up Sasuke. It's just that it would be more fitting.

 

It could be not a moment like that, but from how the story is going for them, I think for now a " WTF " moment will occur XD


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Posted 10 August 2013 - 10:17 PM

You know, I always saw it more that it will be a " WTF " moment for SK if he chose to make to pair up Sasuke. It's just that it would be more fitting.
 
It could be not a moment like that, but from how the story is going for them, I think for now a " WTF " moment will occur XD

Well, I did explain on how another series got this treatment, Naruto could go this route if Kishi wants him to pair with someone.

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 10:27 PM

Well, I did explain on how another series got this treatment, Naruto could go this route if Kishi wants him to pair with someone.

 

I've just remembered the "WTF" moment when was revealed that Vegeta was Trunks' father together with Bulma to Goku. No one could have seen this coming... LOL


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Posted 10 August 2013 - 10:34 PM

 
I've just remembered the "WTF" moment when was revealed that Vegeta was Trunks' father together with Bulma to Goku. No one could have seen this coming... LOL


And there's another one right there, folks. Lol. But really, rival/second main character either just ends up with side character with a heads-up or in a surprise manner.

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 12:32 AM

And there's another one right there, folks. Lol. But really, rival/second main character either just ends up with side character with a heads-up or in a surprise manner.

 

Well that was because Akira introduced a new half saiyan, it was sudden so he had to make trunks exist at least for those events to have taken place.

 

But yeah there is a lot for Naruto and Obito in terms of the likeness, they are opposites but have the same ideals. Obito is basically just everything Naruto would have been if he gave into his darker views like Sasuke. Its just as Naruto said, he or Sasuke could have had reversed roles. Sasuke could have likewise seen a better way then revenge earlier as he once said to Naruto he almost forgot about revenge completely and started to see team 7 as a new family but ultimately chose revenge. Even then they both could have gone a dark path or a lighter one. As it is though, Naruto on his light path experienced everything Sasuke did but Naruto chose the high road, the better one, willing to forgive. This is why he spared Nagato, begged Ay to remove the kill order on Sasuke, and now trying to find a way to resolve the problems of the shinobi world and Sasuke's hate. Even more so, the kage fight, Naruto knows the reasons as Itachi told him, but its always been more about being selfless and trusting to others than simply gaining it by power.

 

Kinda going over both this and the pairing debates, the ideal of Naruto is that he just wanted hokage and respect at first but went about it the wrong way. Naruto eventually met Iruka and team 7, putting the hate behind him. Even if he was the butt of every mistake early on for team 7, it was better than being alone all the time. Yet Naruto's loneliness forged his will to never give up. This kept him moving on, eventually earning the respect and friendship of Sakura, Sasuke, Kakashi, and eventually everyone else. Naruto's ideal for hokage soon changed to be more like the will of fire. As in real life respect is not something deserved, you don't get it because you demand or command it, not even earned in cases too, respect is something created because one becomes mutual with others in forms of acceptance. Naruto worked hard for the respect he always dreamed of and it came as he grew. This same philosophy can be the same for the whole pairing ordeal, this is why I don't like the whole "Hinata deserves Naruto more" ordeal. In fact not only does Hinata not deserve Naruto, Naruto does not deserve Sakura, as Sakura does not deserve Sasuke. The whole ordeal with love is that its created and built, not something to be earned. Feelings are not built, they are not an object that can be possessed or earned, feelings like respect and love are things that are developed and carried by those who share mutual views and outlooks that make both experience more pleasurable events and relations. In this case, Naruto does not simply earn Sasuke's respect or Sakura's love, he builds those feelings for them and as they return other feelings to him, this determines if Sasuke will in turn carry the respect Naruto has for him and if Sakura carries the love he has for her. We can say Sakura likes Naruto a lot, she is great friends with him, yet that love she carries can start to develop into something more. Sasuke on the other hand, it becomes a matter if Sasuke is willing to overcome his own insecurities and ideals to return that respect to Naruto that he heard Naruto say at the final valley and land of iron.

 

Yes we can simply say feelings are earned, they are not earned all at once though, they are earned at the time that feelings have been developed long enough to some mutual end to have enough of a result that brings a positive outcome in those involved with the interactions and events that progress the building and outlook of people on each other that develops their feelings for others. Kinda like team 10, dysfunctional at first, but many events and trails later, they slowly became closer and more mature with each other over several events. Shikamaru stopped thinking of Ino as annoying and loud and choji (though his best friend) he did have a couple of "traits" he found to be a drag. Ino didn't like Shikamaru's attitude and though a big guy like Choji would drive Sasuke away, yet she eventually came to respect Shikamaru's intellect and found Choji to be kind. Choji was all just food and lacked some self esteem (not to the extent of HInata), even scared of his full power to a degree, yet he became more confident in himself and became better with not only Shikamaru and Ino, but everyone else, he was just simply himself, he didn't need to be anything anyone called him. Team 10, they did earn each other's respect, but they had to build those mutual feelings of friendship before they fully came.

 

NS and the other pairings, love is not earned all at once, its developed and built. Naruto has strived for Sakura's love but he has succeeded in becoming the best of friends with her. Sakura has even returned a bit of the mutual happiness. Yet will Sakura return this friendship as love? Its possible. This is why NH and SS cannot just happen or be earned, it needs to be built, yet this is something they are both lacking in greatly compared to NS, espcially now with NH in limbo (aside from past development lagging) and 635 with Sakura untrusting of Sasuke.



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Posted 11 August 2013 - 12:50 AM

that's a large wall of text. if you could, can you sum it up in a few sentences?


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 12:59 AM

Quick question yall

 

What is the accurate translation to Sai's statment during the recent Sakura "I trust Sasuke scene"



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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:08 AM

 

Very much agreed. Obito sees a lot of resemblance between Naruto and his old self and Naruto will probably do the same once he knows about Obito's story and his reasons (a.k.a. Rin and... huh, Rin).

Naruto can even trace a parallel line between them ...  they both love the female part of their teams and have never had their feelings reciprocated (in Naruto's point of view, we can arguably assume he believes such).

They also used to hate the male counterpart but have grown to acknowledge them not just as rivals but as their best friends.

 

I've just posted something very similar in another thread... so I'll summarize here saying that I think a good NS moment will emerge from this event.

The thing that gets me upset with Naruto is that he lives in the past . I mean he just won't accept that Sakura  loves him . He is stuck on the old Sakura that loved Sasuke . No matter what signs Sakura may show Naruto , Naruto will refuse to believe she loves him unless she proves it to him . 


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:09 AM

Quick question yall

 

What is the accurate translation to Sai's statment during the recent Sakura "I trust Sasuke scene"

I think it was something like "Your words may sound sincere, but I know your smile is fake".

The thing that gets me upset with Naruto is that he lives in the past . I mean he just won't accept that Sakura  loves him . He is stuck on the old Sakura that loved Sasuke . No matter what signs Sakura may show Naruto , Naruto will refuse to believe she loves him unless she proves it to him . 

This will happen when Sakura gets over Sasuke, because then she can look him in the eyes and 100% genuinly tell him that she loves him.


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:17 AM

I think it was something like "Your words may sound sincere, but I know your smile is fake".

This will happen when Sakura gets over Sasuke, because then she can look him in the eyes and 100% genuinly tell him that she loves him.

 

 

I think it was something like "Your words may sound sincere, but I know your smile is fake".

This will happen when Sakura gets over Sasuke, because then she can look him in the eyes and 100% genuinly tell him that she loves him.

If her smile was fake , does that mean that she wasn't happy that Sasuke was back .?


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:23 AM

The thing that gets me upset with Naruto is that he lives in the past . I mean he just won't accept that Sakura  loves him . He is stuck on the old Sakura that loved Sasuke . No matter what signs Sakura may show Naruto , Naruto will refuse to believe she loves him unless she proves it to him . 

Hmm, I completely disagree.

 

2 questions.

 

Do you really think Sakura is content in her romantic interests right now?

 

Why do you think Naruto doesn't understand Sakura?


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:29 AM

Hmm, I completely disagree.

 

2 questions.

 

Do you really think Sakura is content in her romantic interests right now?

 

Why do you think Naruto doesn't understand Sakura?

Naruto understands Sakura 100 percent . I think Sakura loves Naruto , and wants to get rid of any romantic feelings for Sakura . This to me lies on Naruto also because even though Sasuke is back and we all see Sakura doesn't trust him , Naruto wouldn't look at it that way he would be stuck in the past and still believe she loves Sasuke when that may not be the case . 

 

1 . she is very content with Naruto and not Sasuke . 

 

2 . I know Naruto understands Sakura 100 percent which is why he believes in his mind that she still loves Sasuke and he understands her pain because Naruto is in love with Sakura and thats the main reason Naruto wants to bring him back is for Sakura . But he doesn't know that Sakura in return doesn't want Sasuke back romanctically but wants to bring him back to make Naruto happy . So I think its pretty safe to say that Naruto and Sakura is mutual and is in love with Sakura , although I think she is in love with him subconsiously . 


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:32 AM

I admit, I'm still shocked that Kishi is really showing no mercy to SS. I mean I might be the only one that thought the latest chapter was a way to have Sakura second thought. But no, we just go back and just made "smiles" as a way to say "We're ok and we just won!" not "Smiling? Sasuke may change after all!" Yes, I think it's not possible as well but you never know, but now that shop sails. Really, SS is in deep trouble. The buildup is growing strong for a conclusion of SS.

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:35 AM

I admit, I'm still shocked that Kishi is really showing no mercy to SS. I mean I might be the only one that thought the latest chapter was a way to have Sakura second thought. But no, we just go back and just made "smiles" as a way to say "We're ok and we just won!" not "Smiling? Sasuke may change after all!" Yes, I think it's not possible as well but you never know, but now that shop sails. Really, SS is in deep trouble. The buildup is growing strong for a conclusion of SS.

what chapter is this .? lols I would love to see the buildup to seeing SS sink . 


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:39 AM

what chapter is this .? lols I would love to see the buildup to seeing SS sink . 

In arc wise, it all started in 539-540. It would seem that Sakura is really being tested on her love. 540 is about the guy who she loves. 635 is about how she feels with that guy around. Both are negatives and Sasuke has no intentions to show any kindness or careness, let alone his goal is dark. So don't think he will pull Gajeel, Zuko, or any characters who know he was wrong and tried to redeem.

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:43 AM

In arc wise, it all started in 539-540. It would seem that Sakura is really being tested on her love. 540 is about the guy who she loves. 635 is about how she feels with that guy around. Both are negatives and Sasuke has no intentions to show any kindness or careness, let alone his goal is dark. So don't think he will pull Gajeel, Zuko, or any characters who know he was wrong and tried to redeem.

It just made me mad in 540 that she even said Sasuke had her heart at all . 


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:46 AM

It just made me mad in 540 that she even said Sasuke had her heart at all . 

If SS ends, I think I can forgive this because the buildup is really leading to her end of SS. NS is just growing and it's stable. Maybe Kishi tries to end before making Rin parallel. I don't know but really, if it ends, then we will know why 540 went the way it did.

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 01:48 AM

If SS ends, I think I can forgive this because the buildup is really leading to her end of SS. NS is just growing and it's stable. Maybe Kishi tries to end before making Rin parallel. I don't know but really, if it ends, then we will know why 540 went the way it did.

how do you think SS will end .? What do you think will be the breaking point .?


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Posted 11 August 2013 - 02:03 AM

how do you think SS will end .? What do you think will be the breaking point .?


It's going to be when Sasuke flares up against naruto, basically what would Sakura's limit be before something bad happens to naruto. The aspect of either dying is what she fears, but we mainly need to see where her distrust of Sasuke leads too. But I'll say this, things look negative from her to Sasuke yet she always views naruto greatly. If anything sakura is maturing but at this point it could possibly be that she subconsciously loves naruto, not realizing it yet. It's not going to happen all at once but there will be a trigger to make her realize what it is she truely feels for naruto. Even then many events for ns remain in play we can say, naruto confessing to her, the forehead ordeal, sakura revealing she knows how naruto feels, revisiting the land of iron actions (if that's needed, I mean it's also likely naruto forgave sakura or understood why she did what she did after sai told him). Ever since 631, many new things opened up for ns, don't be suprised if the whole forehead event comes up.

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