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#5421 redragon88

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 02:22 AM

Something worries me:

I remembered how Tsunade explained to Madara that one of the golden rules for medical ninja is to never stand in the front lines. Would that mean that maybe Sakura will only have a background role when she arrives to the battlefield? Since she's a medical ninja her role would be to assists others that get injured. I'm not saying she wouldn't defend herself when attacked, but she would mainly focus on assisting the injured.

I bring this up because I was hoping that we could once again see the cool Sakura that fought against Sasori, but then again in that case it was only Sakura and Chiyo fighting against him. This time it's an entire army.

The only way I can see Sakura having a significant role when she arrives is if somehow she and Naruto end up fighting Madara alone for some reason. During Sasori's battle it was necessary for Sakura to fight alongside Chiyo in order to overpower Sasori. Sakura seems to be the type that fights out of necessity, so maybe if a third person was fighting alongside them Sakura could've taken a backseat and focused on healing. But since it was only the two of them it was necessary for Sakura to get involved, otherwise they could've died.

Regardless of whether she fight together with Naruto alone or not, I think it would be cool if she surprised everyone by showing that she's able to use Tsunade's regeneration body seals, just like her teacher used to fight against Madara. I know it doesn't seem likely, but if she were to have any type of power up this would be the ideal one. It goes along with her medical abilities and precise chakra control, and it would allow her to fight alongside Naruto in a more on par level. Naruto would obviously still be the powerhouse, but her rapid regeneration would allow her to get close while minimizing the risks to her life and deliver some devastating punches just like Tsunade did before.

Now that I think about it, if Sakura is able to use the regeneration body seals then she would be able to ignore those pesky medical ninja rules and go all out in a battle. According to Tsunade those that can use the regeneration seals are allowed to ignore the medical ninja rules, probably because their life is in less danger thanks to the technique. Then again, it remains unlikely since you probably need to have that diamond seal in your forehead before you're able to use that technique. Or maybe Sakura could show that she can use the technique instantly because of her excellent chakra control. Since Naruto was able to improve on Jiraiya's sage mode there could be a case for Sakura being able to improve on Tsunade's regeneration techniques.

I think that would be the perfect way to show that Sakura has also surpassed her master. She could also get a summoning contract with the slug and that rumored battle axe but that's not as important to me. tongue.gif

Edited by redragon88, 13 November 2012 - 02:38 AM.


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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:08 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Nov 12 2012, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Something worries me:

I remembered how Tsunade explained to Madara that one of the golden rules for medical ninja is to never stand in the front lines. Would that mean that maybe Sakura will only have a background role when she arrives to the battlefield? Since she's a medical ninja her role would be to assists others that get injured. I'm not saying she wouldn't defend herself when attacked, but she would mainly focus on assisting the injured.

I bring this up because I was hoping that we could once again see the cool Sakura that fought against Sasori, but then again in that case it was only Sakura and Chiyo fighting against him. This time it's an entire army.

The only way I can see Sakura having a significant role when she arrives is if somehow she and Naruto end up fighting Madara alone for some reason. During Sasori's battle it was necessary for Sakura to fight alongside Chiyo in order to overpower Sasori. Sakura seems to be the type that fights out of necessity, so maybe if a third person was fighting alongside them Sakura could've taken a backseat and focused on healing. But since it was only the two of them it was necessary for Sakura to get involved, otherwise they could've died.

Regardless of whether she fight together with Naruto alone or not, I think it would be cool if she surprised everyone by showing that she's able to use Tsunade's regeneration body seals, just like her teacher used to fight against Madara. I know it doesn't seem likely, but if she were to have any type of power up this would be the ideal one. It goes along with her medical abilities and precise chakra control, and it would allow her to fight alongside Naruto in a more on par level. Naruto would obviously still be the powerhouse, but her rapid regeneration would allow her to get close while minimizing the risks to her life and deliver some devastating punches just like Tsunade did before.

Now that I think about it, if Sakura is able to use the regeneration body seals then she would be able to ignore those pesky medical ninja rules and go all out in a battle. According to Tsunade those that can use the regeneration seals are allowed to ignore the medical ninja rules, probably because their life is in less danger thanks to the technique. Then again, it remains unlikely since you probably need to have that diamond seal in your forehead before you're able to use that technique. Or maybe Sakura could show that she can use the technique instantly because of her excellent chakra control. Since Naruto was able to improve on Jiraiya's sage mode there could be a case for Sakura being able to improve on Tsunade's regeneration techniques.

I think that would be the perfect way to show that Sakura has also surpassed her master. She could also get a summoning contract with the slug and that rumored battle axe but that's not as important to me. tongue.gif


I'm not gonna say that Sakura isn't going to participate in the fight but I'm not 100% sure that they will even get there, because Obito is obviously Kakashi's opponet and Madara has already demonstrated that he can effortlessly take out an entire army, and while Itachi did say that thing about how it was because Minato had Kushina and all his friends that he was able to become Hokage, Minato was also capable of taking out entire armies, as evident by Onuki issuing flee on sight orders if anyone saw him on the battlefield.

Another thing if Naruto and Sakura fought against Madara, Sakura would be more of a burden for Naruto than anything unless she had something like what you said but the problem there is that would be as big an asspull if not a asspull bigger then anything Sasuke has done, I mean even Sasuke has had some foreshadowing for his techniques (minimal foreshadowing but foreshadowing none the less), at the moment if Naruto and Sakura ended up facing Madara I'd expect to see Naruto using his full transformation to protect Sakura like he did for Kakashi and Guy.

And as for the entire Allied Forces fighting against Madara, (I'm kinda getting tired of posting this but...) the Conservation of Ninjutsu trope states that the more opponents you have the higher your chances or winning.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:38 AM

^ With a simple flashback of Sakura training herself to master the regeneration jutsu it would not longer be an asspull. If you need more than that I guess it comes down to personal opinion. Just look at Kabuto, there was no foreshadowing of a snake sage mode but Kishi did it anyway.

If you still believe it would be an asspull I don't have an issue with it at all, each person has their own opinion. But as long as it's accepted that this wouldn't be the first time that Kishi creates this kind of plot twist. But I guess you already accept that, considering your opinion of Sasuke's powerups.

Maybe the alliance could concentrate on fighting the Gedo Mazo, they could have better chances of dealing with that than with Madara, considering that it's stuck in mid process of becoming the imperfect Ten tails. Now is the perfect chance to stop the transformation.

Also, Naruto is protecting Kakashi and Guy, true, but they're also holding their own, it's not like they're helpless. So I'm kinda hoping that maybe Sakura could have a similar role, or even slightly more prominent in that manner, especially if she were able to master the regeneration jutsu. I guess I can only hope. laugh.gif

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:07 AM

Heres a really good question: what do we have left to argue about? Nothing. We've been arguing the same things over and over again. Kishimoto is taking his sweet time, and so, we've been in a really deep quagmire.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:37 AM

QUOTE (redragon88 @ Nov 13 2012, 03:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
^ With a simple flashback of Sakura training herself to master the regeneration jutsu it would not longer be an asspull. If you need more than that I guess it comes down to personal opinion. Just look at Kabuto, there was no foreshadowing of a snake sage mode but Kishi did it anyway.


Kabuto's Sage Mode was without a doubt an asspull. And a flashback would not be sufficient foreshadowing because to most readers it would look like a rushed explanation for why she is receiving this power up.

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If you still believe it would be an asspull I don't have an issue with it at all, each person has their own opinion. But as long as it's accepted that this wouldn't be the first time that Kishi creates this kind of plot twist. But I guess you already accept that, considering your opinion of Sasuke's powerups.


Like I said Sasuke's power ups did have some foreshadowing, usually the bare minimal foreshadowing (i.e. his hawk summoning contract where the only foreshadowing was that he changed his team's name from Hibi (Snake) to Taka (Hawk), and I guess you could count Manda's death but I wouldn't.

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Maybe the alliance could concentrate on fighting the Gedo Mazo, they could have better chances of dealing with that than with Madara, considering that it's stuck in mid process of becoming the imperfect Ten tails. Now is the perfect chance to stop the transformation.


Except that the Gedo is currently surrounded by a barrier of flames and the only way to extinguish it is to defeat Obito, so the only way that would happen is if they arrived after Obito is defeated, but then again nothing's stopping Madara from putting up his own barrier if Obito is defeated.

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Also, Naruto is protecting Kakashi and Guy, true, but they're also holding their own, it's not like they're helpless. So I'm kinda hoping that maybe Sakura could have a similar role, or even slightly more prominent in that manner, especially if she were able to master the regeneration jutsu. I guess I can only hope. laugh.gif


I was referring to chapter 571 when Naruto first transformed and Kakashi and Guy were engulfed by Kurama's chakra while he fought the Tailed-Beats, Sakura would be as outclassed by Madara as Kakashi and Guy were by five biju

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:21 AM

Of course Sakura is going to fight with naruto. Also if shes not able to use the regenaration jutsu. Why else should sakura say that there going to be together and that theyre all going to fight together, when then during the fight she just stays in the background and heals people?

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

QUOTE (Nostradamus @ Nov 13 2012, 02:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can someone give me a logical reason why Naruhina should happen or is going to happen?
Something besides Hinata loves Naruto, Hinata has always loved Naruto, Hinata deserves Naruto, Hinata will never hit Naruto like Sakura does, Hinata will never lie to Naruto like that pink headed b*tch Sakura did, Hinata has bigger balloons than that flat chested b*tch, Hinata is cute, sweet, innocent, intelligent, strong, magnificent, useful, VERY important to the plot of the story, perfect all around and Sakura is none of those thing and she must die, Hinata is the princess of the Hyuga clan and Sakura just sucks, Hinata is like Kushina and Minato and Sakura has nothing in common with either of those two, Hinata did so much for Naruto while Sakura did nothing, etc.
These are pretty much all the arguments that the Naruhina fans use. So can someone please give me a logical reason why Naruhina is going to happen? Besides the things I said above.
Now since I asked that question I will tell you people why Narusaku should happen and is going to happen.
First of all because Naruto and Sakura have something called development, they have a relationship, and they have the strongest bond in the “Naruto” story. They put aside their own selfish desires to make sure that the other one is happy. Naruto puts aside his own desires to make sure Sakura is happy and safe, Sakura puts aside her own desires to make sure Naruto is happy and safe. They had their ups and downs and each one of those moments brought them closer and closer and the bond between them got stronger. And the list goes on.
Secondly and most importantly is that Narusaku goes with the story and one of the themes of the story which is to “Never give up”. Narusaku is part of that theme to “never give up”. The other two parings Naruhina and Sasusaku go against the story and that theme to “never give up”.

Maan nostradamus, i read your loong rant and i loved the whole thing!! dude naruhina fans are just in denial.we narusaku fans dont fight we just state the facts, lol i just remembered something funny that happened when i "trespassed" the naruhina page on fb, i stated my facts and what i found funny about their replies is that ALL their replies were exactly the same but in different context and to top that off the only thing they were good at was saying the f word and bashing , yep thats all they're good at i mean, do all the naruhina think alike? are there brains like connected to eachother? did they like attend a "how to be a naruhina" class? that all remains a mystery...and i really truly tried to process what they-and all the naruhina fans talk about i really do....but there's not a BIT of logic in that pairing-no offense to all those NH fans out there, and honestly i dont even consider naruhina a pairing i consider it something driven by a bunch of mad people in denial, going totally wrong with their so-called "proof" i mean they cant even carry on with one sentence about naruhina logic without mentioning sakura or bashing her why cant they talk about nh facts? the answer:THeY NeVeR HAD ANY TO BeGIN WITH , i mean imagine if narusaku fans were like that-god forbide, not only do i feel like narusaku has logic (which is 100 % true) but i also feel like the fans themselves have logic, i mean naruhina fans dont talk about naruhina, but instead they just go on about how narusaku is an impossible pairing! that just comes to show that they're in denial, and tell you what the naruhina fans KNOW narusaku is gonna happen, they're just panicing, bashing which gives you complete disaster and chaos, and the only reason why we think the naruhina fans are out-numbering us is cuz they're phyco's and they post ALOT of garbage on youtube, fb and make alotta fanfics other than that they're just panicing, and im beginning to wonder if they even read the same manga as we do , oh yeah i totally forgot, they go according to they're fanfics .Yeah so im done rambling on about those naruhina fans oohoo but there's soo much more i wanna say about their stupidity, all i wanna say is ignore those ppl that are in denial.@redragon88 sakura is gonna be able to summon slugs due to tsunades death.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:00 PM

Hasn't Sakura already broken a rule before though? Like, a shinobi must always put the mission first and
must never show emotion. So if she can break this rule, then why would she hold back when it comes to helping Naruto, especially since Naruto himself sometimes breaks the rules? What do you think?

How I think Narusaku will happen: You know that recent OVA where Naruto fights Sasuke? And Sakura's crying over his body? What if she blurts out that she loves him and that he can't leave? Or something like that. That might be sweet....maybe Naruto hears her. I don't know tongue.gif. Too cheesy or? I for sure want a forehead kiss somewhere though, that's for sure.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:50 PM

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 13 2012, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was referring to chapter 571 when Naruto first transformed and Kakashi and Guy were engulfed by Kurama's chakra while he fought the Tailed-Beats, Sakura would be as outclassed by Madara as Kakashi and Guy were by five biju

This was from the interview Kishi gave right before Tobi was revealed as Obito.
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Question: We will soon be entering into the climax of the Fourth Shinobi World War arc, please tell us some of the key points that will be coming soon!
Kishimoto-sensei: Everything from here on out is key and everything is just going to get more and more electrifying! All your favorite characters will shine brightly so please continue to enjoy Naruto as the great Shinobi World War reaches its climax!

Since many of the rookies are among the favorite characters, and we haven't seen them in a while, I sort of read this as being about them. And specifically Sakura.

We know they are outclassed. But then everyone, including Naruto and the Kyuubi, are outclassed by Madara. It is up to Kishi to figure out a way they can still shine and help defeat the unbeatable.

He has held off on their re-appearance in the manga for a lone time. So I expect there was a good reason for that. Which we will soon see.

Edited by Deej, 13 November 2012 - 10:51 PM.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:14 AM

QUOTE (Deej @ Nov 13 2012, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This was from the interview Kishi gave right before Tobi was revealed as Obito.

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Question: We will soon be entering into the climax of the Fourth Shinobi World War arc, please tell us some of the key points that will be coming soon!
Kishimoto-sensei: Everything from here on out is key and everything is just going to get more and more electrifying! All your favorite characters will shine brightly so please continue to enjoy Naruto as the great Shinobi World War reaches its climax!


Since many of the rookies are among the favorite characters, and we haven't seen them in a while, I sort of read this as being about them. And specifically Sakura.


Of course this is the same man who promised that what was 08? was going to be Kakashi's year so...

It's just that I personally don't see any way that Alliance could help, they are no match for Madara's strength and Kishi said that Madara has no weaknesses, and like I said the before about the Conservation of Ninjutsu trope (of which Naruto has the most examples of on the Trope page).

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We know they are outclassed. But then everyone, including Naruto and the Kyuubi, are outclassed by Madara. It is up to Kishi to figure out a way they can still shine and help defeat the unbeatable.


As far as we know Naruto and Kurama are the only ones who are not outclassed, Remember Madara said that his Perfect Susanoo was as strong as a Tailed-Beast, so the strongest of the Tailed-Beasts (and it's Jinchuriki) shouldn't be out classed by Madara, it should be just about even.

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He has held off on their re-appearance in the manga for a lone time. So I expect there was a good reason for that. Which we will soon see.


I'm curious, what chapter was the Manga on at time of the Interview?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:05 AM

QUOTE (PhenixElite @ Oct 25 2012, 12:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Something similar to naruto biggrin.gif


Few romances in a shonen series are as complex as Naruto's tongue.gif Well series that DON'T focus on romance any way. pictureem0.gif

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 01:21 PM

QUOTE (Phantom_999 @ Nov 15 2012, 05:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Few romances in a shonen series are as complex as Naruto's tongue.gif Well series that DON'T focus on romance any way. pictureem0.gif

may i ask whats the topic?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:22 PM

Why is this place so dead?

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Posted 17 November 2012 - 11:29 PM

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Why is this place so dead?

Well thats a good question maybe theres nothing left to discuss about. Someone needs to find something again. I would think about something but i dont have the time right now.
Someone else pls tongue.gif GO

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:25 AM

It's saturday...
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:45 AM

we pretty much raped every topic we have.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 01:58 AM

need a new topic hun . humm let me think . hey do tsunade know that naruto loves sakura.i think she noticed that when she was curing sasuke.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:07 AM

Ok I got one.

See that I have witness opposite realm of SS being the main pairing and healthiest. Don't ask, I'm pretty tired of it. That said what if all the moments you saw for NS, happened to NH instead. Lets pretend we are in a parallel world where you see my sig as NH instead. Basically, NS and NH moments are switched. What's your feelings toward them? Also, personalities doesn't change. So go!

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:42 AM

oh lawd.

so naruto makes a promise of a lifetime to hinata to get sasuke back for her? *shudders*

it's just.....wrong. that's the best i can describe it.

naruto calls hinata out on her confession, saying she's lying to herself?

sakura saves naruto from pein, saying she loves him?

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:00 AM

Here's a topic:

When Sakura confessed to Naruto she mentioned the things that many of us imagined she would eventually say if she confessed:

1) How Sakura saw him go from a prankster to a hero
2) How he's always there to encourage her

The things that made it go wrong were:

1) Mentioning how Sasuke is getting farther away, which made it look as if she chose Naruto because she couldn't get Sasuke
2) Saying how everyone in the village loved him and that she was just one of them. That made her feelings look as if they were part of the crowd and not something special to her.

I guess my question is: If Sakura were to express her love for Naruto, how would it go this time?

Would she mention those good reasons for loving Naruto once again even if they seem kind of redundant and their value drops a little given their association to the previous confession? Would she maybe make it clear that she meant what she said back then about his good points and why that made her fall for him?

Or maybe Sakura could realize that she loves Naruto for different reasons all together. Maybe she could say something about loving his desire and determination to become Hokage. It would be a nice call back to when Sakura nearly forfeited the chunin exams in order to protect Naruto's dream.




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