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[Canadian_DJ]

You know, on the topic of NH ... I got a message on YT to one of my comments about how the NaruSaku fanbase isn't even really worried about Hinata's little speech in 573 and the response was out of the blue and completely uncalled for.

NH: You bunch of idiots xD


It truly amazes me how ignorant the NaruHina fanbase is. I merely explained that NaruHina is completely centered on her feelings and that Naruto's of course matter more. He said: "Who cares about Naruto's feelings? We care about Kishimotos and it's obvious he's going the NH direction. NS is dead. " Should I even waste my time responding to this? I feel like I'm faced with another NH troll. How is our fanbase idiots? We rely on logic. It's just ... why do people have to direct so much attention to Hinata and NH? I just ...

Look, there's no-freaknin'-POINT, just dont bother to argue with them or even try stating the facts, because they know very well whats going on in the manga, they're in denial.And when that time comes-the time narusaku happens, they're gonna have to face the facts, whether they like it or not, even now, but until then, that'll be the final hit on the nail.

[redragon88]

You know, on the topic of NH ... I got a message on YT to one of my comments about how the NaruSaku fanbase isn't even really worried about Hinata's little speech in 573 and the response was out of the blue and completely uncalled for.

NH: You bunch of idiots xD


It truly amazes me how ignorant the NaruHina fanbase is. I merely explained that NaruHina is completely centered on her feelings and that Naruto's of course matter more. He said: "Who cares about Naruto's feelings? We care about Kishimotos and it's obvious he's going the NH direction. NS is dead. " Should I even waste my time responding to this? I feel like I'm faced with another NH troll. How is our fanbase idiots? We rely on logic. It's just ... why do people have to direct so much attention to Hinata and NH? I just ...

While I do agree that more important than analyzing the psychology of characters that are not even real we should concentrate more on pondering what does Kishi himself wants to do with them (after all, their actions and feelings are controlled by him in the end), I just don't understand where do people get the interpretation that Kishi is building up toward an NH ending.

Is it really just because she has feelings for him and confessed? But that has happened in countless other series and in the end it's only done to given closure and growth to that secondary character that was in love with the hero. At the end of the day the hero always got together with the love interest who he had more development towards (the Sakura of the story, so to speak). So why on earth is Hinata that different?

If NH happens then the only lesson I see from it is that if you are good one day a cute girl that's in love with you will suddenly appear and confess. The chances of that are next to zero, life is not just given to you. You have to work hard for what you want, that's the very essence of Naruto. If you want someone to love in your life you have to make the effort, you can't expect that someone will suddenly come to you. Naruto getting with Sakura is the very definition of that effort.

Some could argue that we could learn about effort with Hinata, the problem is that this series isn't called Hinata. Hinata isn't the one that we have witnessed for more than 600 chapters struggle so she could get acknowledgment, that has been Naruto. This is Naruto's journey, and the main accomplishments that are achieved along the way most be fulfilled through him. You can't take away one of the accomplishments of the hero just to satisfy the wishes of a secondary character.

Some say that we could learn the importance of letting go with Naruto giving up on Sakura, the problem is that is goes against his main theme of working hard to achieve what you want. But if people feel that the letting go thing is important to be shown then I ask, why on earth couldn't we learn that through Hinata? Actually she seems an even more perfect candidate for that. Her theme isn't dependent on getting with Naruto, it's always been about Naruto giving her acknowledgment. Hinata doesn't need to work hard to earn anything, she's been the heiress of the Hyuga clan since she was born. What she needed was the courage to stand up for herself and to be strong in her convictions, something she learned from Naruto.

Hinata's development is not for her to be with Naruto, is to get the confidence to stand as an equal to him.

Edited by redragon88, 10 November 2012 - 11:27 AM.

[Qia]

I think you could even have this theme of letting go with Sakura as well, when it comes to Sasuke. She is a main character after all ^^. Just wanted to add this.

[redragon88]

I think you could even have this theme of letting go with Sakura as well, when it comes to Sasuke. She is a main character after all ^^. Just wanted to add this.

But that would imply that Sakura only chose to be with Naruto because she can't be with Sasuke. Sakura's theme shouldn't be about letting go of love, it should be about understanding what true love is about.

This was implied in with Yamato's unfinished sentence, Sai's comment about her gentleness for Naruto, and even in the second data book which explicitly says that Sakura hasn't found an answer to what she feels for Naruto.

So as far as love lessons go it could very well go like this:

Hinata: letting go of love (since she admires Naruto so much she'll be glad he has achieved the happiness he's always fought so hard for)
Naruto: have selfless love (given he's put Sakura's feelings over his own by consequence caused her to see him in a better loving light)
Sakura: understanding true love (while Sasuke will always be important to her she'll understand that who she wants to share her life with is Naruto)

[PhenixElite]

I think you could even have this theme of letting go with Sakura as well, when it comes to Sasuke. She is a main character after all ^^. Just wanted to add this.

Maybe. But i think the theme of letting go can better be brought over when the character is still fully in love with the person to let go. So since we know sakura is going through a change of her feelings for sasuke i think this theme can be better brought over through hinata.

Edit:

Sorry redragon88 seen your post to late, you said the same i wanted to^^

Edited by PhenixElite, 10 November 2012 - 12:52 PM.

[Gravenimage]

But that would imply that Sakura only chose to be with Naruto because she can't be with Sasuke. Sakura's theme shouldn't be about letting go of love, it should be about understanding what true love is about.

This was implied in with Yamato's unfinished sentence, Sai's comment about her gentleness for Naruto, and even in the second data book which explicitly says that Sakura hasn't found an answer to what she feels for Naruto.

So as far as love lessons go it could very well go like this:

Hinata: letting go of love (since she admires Naruto so much she'll be glad he has achieved the happiness he's always fought so hard for)
Naruto: have selfless love (given he's put Sakura's feelings over his own by consequence caused her to see him in a better loving light)
Sakura: understanding true love (while Sasuke will always be important to her she'll understand that who she wants to share her life with is Naruto)

It think her theme it's about both. Letting go of your first love and understanding the meaning of true love.

Edited by Gravenimage, 10 November 2012 - 05:48 PM.

[redragon88]

It think her them it's about both. Letting go of your first love and understanding the meaning of true love.

True.

But only as long as it's understood that even though Sakura had the chance to be with Sasuke by the end, that she would choose Naruto none the less because he's the one she's happiest to share her life with.

[HalfStarStudios]

Is there someone else who believes that naruto could beat madara because sakura says something special to him and he gets a huge powerup.
Something like when naruto protected sakura from gaara.

You know: The power of love;)

I really hope that doesn't happen. That would be corny in so many ways. Naruto should beat Madara with the help of everyone else, not by himself. It goes back to what Itachi said to him.

[PhenixElite]

I really hope that doesn't happen. That would be corny in so many ways. Naruto should beat Madara with the help of everyone else, not by himself. It goes back to what Itachi said to him.

Im pretty sure naruto wont beat madara by himself alone but i also think it wont be bad if he gets a powerup again. Doesnt mean that he has to beat him alone.

Edit:
Also i think sakura and naruto and the rest of the rookies are going to fight side by side.
I see kishi also making this fight a big development for naruto and sakura since their fighting together.

Edited by PhenixElite, 10 November 2012 - 03:00 PM.

[HalfStarStudios]

Im pretty sure naruto wont beat madara by himself alone but i also think it wont be bad if he gets a powerup again. Doesnt mean that he has to beat him alone.

Edit:
Also i think sakura and naruto and the rest of the rookies are going to fight side by side.
I see kishi also making this fight a big development for naruto and sakura since their fighting together.

Powerup from love? I didn't know this was Fairy Tail. lol

[narulsaku]

Powerup from love? I didn't know this was Fairy Tail. lol

why not why cant you powered up from love. sure one can . and also love that powers that can do everything.

[PhenixElite]

Powerup from love? I didn't know this was Fairy Tail. lol

Could it be that you see it a bit too corny?
You can also see it like a powerup to protect her.
You shouldnt forget that it happend before, during the time naruto tried to controll kurama he acchieved a powerup because of his mother.

[redragon88]

Naruto doesn't need a power up, he has plenty of power already. What he would need is the resolve to use that power properly in order to overwhelm Madara. That's where the strength to protect the one he loves comes into the equation.

When the rest of the alliance comes I want them all to assist in the fight against Madara, and I want Sakura's role to be of special note since it would echo both her and Itachi's words:

Itachi: It's because Minato had Kushina and the rest that he could become Hokage
Sakura: We're going to be together, not just me, we're all going to fight together

Both scenarios are about the importance of having everyone's support, but it also makes special note of having the one you love at your side. It goes back to how Yamato said that what's most important is Sakura's feelings for Naruto, and also makes reference to how Minato said that it was thanks to Kushina that he could become Hokage.

If Naruto is able to lead the entire shinobi alliance to victory he'll have completely proven himself to be able to lead the ninja world to peace as the Hokage. Also, if Sakura is shown as the one who stands by his side the most out of everyone it'll show that she's the right woman to help make Naruto the Hokage.

[Don-kun]

Naruto doesn't need a power up, he has plenty of power already. What he would need is the resolve to use that power properly in order to overwhelm Madara. That's where the strength to protect the one he loves comes into the equation.

When the rest of the alliance comes I want them all to assist in the fight against Madara, and I want Sakura's role to be of special note since it would echo both her and Itachi's words:

Itachi: It's because Minato had Kushina and the rest that he could become Hokage
Sakura: We're going to be together, not just me, we're all going to fight together

Both scenarios are about the importance of having everyone's support, but it also makes special note of having the one you love at your side. It goes back to how Yamato said that what's most important is Sakura's feelings for Naruto, and also makes reference to how Minato said that it was thanks to Kushina that he could become Hokage.

If Naruto is able to lead the entire shinobi alliance to victory he'll have completely proven himself to be able to lead the ninja world to peace as the Hokage. Also, if Sakura is shown as the one who stands by his side the most out of everyone it'll show that she's the right woman to help make Naruto the Hokage.

Iruka, Kakashi, Tsunade and Sakura are only characters that had shown strong desire to see Naruto becomes an Hokage, this also ties to the reason why I believe NH might not happen.
The only reason I don't right off NH and SS is because of fan service and popularity between the two vs NaruSaku there is nothing else to strongly believe it will happen unless you're really not paying attention to the story just because your favorite pairing blinding your judgements.
If we fallow the theme of the Manga, the build up, the understanding, the care for one another, the desire to see the other party happy-desire to see the other finally accomplishing his dream, the willingness to let go what you really want because you care more about protecting that person, absolutely everything points in the direction of a NaruSaku conclusion.

[narulsaku]

yes i agree don . i am not percticula till now that why people believe that nh or ss will happen.

[luffyq1]

I honestly believe that Sakura was never in love with Sasuke, but that she just had a fangirl crush that was tied up with the care that she formed for him during part 1 of the series. It really is shown that it's just a childish crush during the fight scene between Sasuke and Rock lee. I mean you can really see how much she is fangirling over the Uchiha clans power and Sasuke. Her feelings for Sasuke are as shallow as they come. It's like the cheerleader and the quaterback. That's how I see it.

Now in part 2 of the series I think Sakura is coming to terms between the difference of a childhood crush and what true love really is. This makes me believe this because it ties back to part 1 of the series when Sakura says "What's this feeling" as naruto made that epic speech against Zabuza. Don't forget the fact that she didn't want to see Naruto's dream of becoming hokage get crushed, which led her to the selfless attemp of putting Naruto ABOVE Sasuke and herself. That selflessness is also connected to the Heaven & Earth scene when she uttered those famous words - "I'll rescue Sasuke for you."

Now I would like to bring up another discussion. The new team 7 and the old team 7 are so similar it's not even funny. Which brings me to this question: if Kakashi knew that Obito loved run, then does that mean Sasuke also knows that Naruto loves Sakura? I mean they kinda hint that he does sorta know when he tells Sakura that it was Naruto that saved her and not him. I would like your input on this matter

Edited by luffyq1, 10 November 2012 - 06:12 PM.

[narulsaku]

yes luffy i think that sasuke knows narutos love for sakura. and great post and welcome to heaven and earth

[PhenixElite]

Since this thread has gotten pretty empty im gonna ask you guys a question:

How do you think NaruSaku is going to happen? I personally think that its going to happen after (if it really happens like this) naruto redeemed sasuke and sasuke is about to be a wanderer and asks sakura to come with him. So naruto of course thinks that sakura is going to go with sasuke. But as naruto leaves he recognizes sakura running after him.

Whats your personal opinion?

[Luna]

Since this thread has gotten pretty empty im gonna ask you guys a question:

How do you think NaruSaku is going to happen? I personally think that its going to happen after (if it really happens like this) naruto redeemed sasuke and sasuke is about to be a wanderer and asks sakura to come with him. So naruto of course thinks that sakura is going to go with sasuke. But as naruto leaves he recognizes sakura running after him.

Whats your personal opinion?

I think it is going to happen during when Naruto and Sasuke fight. I think that is the best way to introduce it because then she would be able to see who she really loves. The one she thought she loved? or The one she probably loves? It would be more of a revelation because two people she care about is fighting in front her. Something similar to the ova.

[Nostradamus]

Can someone give me a logical reason why Naruhina should happen or is going to happen?
Something besides Hinata loves Naruto, Hinata has always loved Naruto, Hinata deserves Naruto, Hinata will never hit Naruto like Sakura does, Hinata will never lie to Naruto like that pink headed b*tch Sakura did, Hinata has bigger balloons than that flat chested b*tch, Hinata is cute, sweet, innocent, intelligent, strong, magnificent, useful, VERY important to the plot of the story, perfect all around and Sakura is none of those thing and she must die, Hinata is the princess of the Hyuga clan and Sakura just sucks, Hinata is like Kushina and Minato and Sakura has nothing in common with either of those two, Hinata did so much for Naruto while Sakura did nothing, etc.
These are pretty much all the arguments that the Naruhina fans use. So can someone please give me a logical reason why Naruhina is going to happen? Besides the things I said above.
Now since I asked that question I will tell you people why Narusaku should happen and is going to happen.
First of all because Naruto and Sakura have something called development, they have a relationship, and they have the strongest bond in the “Naruto” story. They put aside their own selfish desires to make sure that the other one is happy. Naruto puts aside his own desires to make sure Sakura is happy and safe, Sakura puts aside her own desires to make sure Naruto is happy and safe. They had their ups and downs and each one of those moments brought them closer and closer and the bond between them got stronger. And the list goes on.
Secondly and most importantly is that Narusaku goes with the story and one of the themes of the story which is to “Never give up”. Narusaku is part of that theme to “never give up”. The other two parings Naruhina and Sasusaku go against the story and that theme to “never give up”.