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[totherpage95]

I stopped after like 1 minute. It sounded like some A.I. generated channel.
I don't know it sounds weird.

Yeah i wondered why it sounded weird

[Bail o' Lies]

 

Ai Is the latest fad on youtube.

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9oICXMObh4

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0zmADO0mNo

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

Question... who would voice Shina and Hanami?

[BlueStarSaber]

Question... who would voice Shina and Hanami?

These are some of the voices some have chosen

https://youtu.be/HVzvBPMVuoc

https://youtu.be/tqTrIlNmrJE

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

These are some of the voices some have chosen

https://youtu.be/HVzvBPMVuoc

https://youtu.be/tqTrIlNmrJE

And their English VA?

[Phantom_999]

I know I haven't posted anything here for a long while, because like I said debating on Naruto is not making me happy anymore, so I just stopped caring. But there is one thing that we all know when objectively speaking. Shown in " The Last" Naruto did not debate or argue with Sakura when she said that he only wanted her as a trophy girlfriend to win from Sasuke, in fact he respected her opinion to not make a fuss on it and has ALWAYS considered, respected and empathized with Sakura's feelings, especially before the movie. In contrast when Hinata rejected him to go with Toneri in that exact same movie he gave up on and said "EFF everything, I have nothing going for me in my life because Hinata doesn't love me" not even considering there was a reasoning for her behavior and change of heart. So again, which love shows maturity and acceptance and which love is petty selfish and possessive. And when you think about how it was meant to portray the opposite way around, it is just down right laughable.

Edited by Phantom_999, 14 August 2023 - 05:31 PM.

[totherpage95]

https://www.quora.co...get_type=answer
Strange when i put myself in naruto's shoes i came up with a different perspective 😅

[Bail o' Lies]

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Strange when i put myself in naruto's shoes i came up with a different perspective

 

"Put yourself in Naruto's shoes:

Would you prefer someone who always follows the crowd, people belittles you she belittle you, they adore you she adore you (Are they still talking about Sakura?). One who asks you to take back the boy she has a crush on and who tried to kill you and her, but this girl continues to prefer him to you, and at most she makes a finished declaration of love to you.

 

Or a girl who has always appreciated you no matter what others say or your flaws, and who will give her life for you if that is required.

 

Really people still have doubts about which couple is the best, in reality everyone would be happy that their son takes Hinata home and not Sakura, the NaruSaku is literally the girl who doesn't care about the nice guy, until it suits him, he changes my mind."

God that post is so badly written.

 

Again. The appeal of Hinata is, she is easy. You do not have to do anything to get her or keep her. And as they state she will never question or doubt you only worship the ground you walk on. Which becomes a problem when your son is acting out and she refuses to confront you. Leading the daddy issue to spiral out of control. One cannot resolve an issue; unless it is brought first up.

 

Sakura willingness to question and criticize Naruto is a point in her favor because; Naruto is an idiot, who is trying to enact policy changes to correct the flaws in the ninja system. If he doesn't have some one to talk his idea over first how can he know they will work? How does he iron out the detail?

 

Edit: Also in Naruto's shoes. Well Naruto was someone that most of the village preferred to avoid interacting with when they could for years. Sakura was the one girl that would always react to him. He thought she was cute and developed a crush on her over time fell in love with her. Hinata was a weird quite girl that was too polite  to tell him to go away and too meek to speak two sentences to him. Until the chunin exam, which was after knowing each other for years as with the rest of his classmates. Which by her finally talking to him caused him to see her as a nice girl and a good friend. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 20 August 2023 - 12:30 AM.

[Kagomaru]

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Strange when i put myself in naruto's shoes i came up with a different perspective

Christ, the incel is strong in that post.  Why yes, why on Earth would you want a partner you don't have to put airs around and will keep you grounded in reality while supporting you in a meaningful fashion (which is *not* to be a mindless yes-woman) when you can have a coddling doormat who will never take any initiative of her own?  

 

Which ultimately leads to: 

 

A) A misbehaving son that's acting out as a punk for the sake of attention and spite.

 

B) An undisciplined daughter that sucker-punches her dad for no reason and ruins the most important ceremony of his career. 

 

C) You being constantly swamped with work, which inevitably leads to anxiety, stress, fatigue and becoming an alcoholic to cope because your wife won't ever confront you about maintaining your physical/mental health or remind you of your priorities as a father/husband.

 

And she never doubts him? The idiot that stepped into a fight that she had no business intervening in because, by her own admittance, she was just acting out of her own selfish desire and made the situation exponentially worse?  Or when she told her pre-teen kids to protect their demi-god of a father, that's meant to be "support"?  Or when she kept fretting over him during the war while Sakura told her that Naruto would be fine - which is the proper expression of confidence and faith in one's partner -  that's supposed to be "encouragement"?  Spare me.

Edited by Kagomaru, 20 August 2023 - 05:54 AM.

[Moon_Girl]

Just dropping this for fun.
I'm sure people here have seen it.




Edit: Meant to drop this in general chat but hopefully this is alright.

Edited by Moon_Girl, 20 August 2023 - 02:52 AM.

[Kagomaru]

Wow, and NaruHinas are clutching onto that "The Kushina-Sakura connection was a deliberate red herring that's common in shonen" rhetoric even now and is trying to gaslight a CloTi fan (who doesn't watch or read Naruto) into believing it.

 

 

This is a common shounen dynamic (for the MC to fullfill their parent's wishes) that often serves the purpose of giving misleading hints. Like, in the Naruto manga, at some point he meets his dead mom and she tells him to find a gf with her own personality. Then everyone started thinking it was foreshadowing for canon NaruSaku. Same thing happens later when..

 

 

 

2.Naruto meets his dead father, Sakura’s beside him healing his wounds and the dad thinks Sakura’s his gf and tells her to take good care of his son. In the end Naruto never ended up with Sakura but with Hinata. NaruSaku was always meant to be a misleading ship (the author himself admitted it) with the sole purpose of spice things up. But people who didn’t let themselves being fooled, noticed that already

 

 

What's hilarious is that they conveniently leave out that Naruto was already crushing on/in love with Sakura long before his mother ever appeared and made her statement.  It had literally nothing to do with any projected need to appease his parents. It was long established that he and his father had the same taste in women.

Edited by Kagomaru, 21 August 2023 - 09:52 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

Wow, and NaruHinas are clutching onto that "The Kushina-Sakura connection was a deliberate red herring that's common in shonen" rhetoric even now. 

Where did you get that quote from?

 

They have to: "The answer that is simple. Kushina and Minato have a happy health perfect relationship made even clearer by the one-shot. That are suppose to foreshadow how Naruto's relationship will end up as well as who he ends up marrying.

 

There is an old adage that one will end up marrying someone like their parents. Clearly that was at work in Naruto.

 

Sakura's father was a goofy man so Sakura should end up marrying a goofy Naruto. Naruto's mother was hot tempered, so he should marry the hot tempered Sakura.

 

MK and NS were both based off Kishimoto's own relationship. MK is just more mature, further along, and doesn't have the conflict Sasuke brought to it. The only problem they have, that was introduced by the one-shot, is that Kushina is trapped in a barrier. Which its implied Minato eventually solved by both strengthen her seal, and getting rid of that law so they could always be together.

 

So again, 'The Story of Naruto,' implies that Naruto will live a happy life if he gets into a relationship like his parents had. Obviously that being NS, you have to be either an idiot or deliberately refusing to accept that to not know that. So, the nH fans want to convince both themselves and everyone else that, it wasn't NS that MK was foreshadowing and paralleling to but nH. Sarcasm: Because, it so obvious to everyone that Hinata is exactly like Minato and/or Kushina. Also, ignore that fact that Kushina has cease to exist in Boruto to help bury the fact that, Hinata is nothing like her."

 

If it wasn't subversion. Then its even more clear that it was last minute and wasn't planned.

[Kagomaru]

 

Where did you get that quote from?

 

They have to: "The answer that is simple. Kushina and Minato have a happy health perfect relationship made even clearer by the one-shot. That are suppose to foreshadow how Naruto's relationship will end up as well as who he ends up marrying.

 

There is an old adage that one will end up marrying someone like their parents. Clearly that was at work in Naruto.

 

Sakura's father was a goofy man so Sakura should end up marrying a goofy Naruto. Naruto's mother was hot tempered, so he should marry the hot tempered Sakura.

 

MK and NS were both based off Kishimoto's own relationship. MK is just more mature, further along, and doesn't have the conflict Sasuke brought to it. The only problem they have, that was introduced by the one-shot, is that Kushina is trapped in a barrier. Which its implied Minato eventually solved by both strengthen her seal, and getting rid of that law so they could always be together.

 

So again, 'The Story of Naruto,' implies that Naruto will live a happy life if he gets into a relationship like his parents had. Obviously that being NS, you have to be either an idiot or deliberately refusing to accept that to not know that. So, the nH fans want to convince both themselves and everyone else that, it wasn't NS that MK was foreshadowing and paralleling to but nH. Sarcasm: Because, it so obvious to everyone that Hinata is exactly like Minato and/or Kushina. Also, ignore that fact that Kushina has cease to exist in Boruto to help bury the fact that, Hinata is nothing like her."

 

If it wasn't subversion. Then its even more clear that it was last minute and wasn't planned.

 

It's a quote from a post at the CloTi blog that I frequent.  The poster was trying to gaslight the blogger (who does not read or watch Naruto) by establishing a false equivalency between Clerith and NaruSaku on the basis that the line from the OG FFVII about how Cloud's mom wanted him to get with a "mature woman who would keep him out of trouble"  is the same as when Kushina told Naruto that he should marry a girl similar to her (or in other translations, not marry the first "weird girl" that shows an interest in him). Basically arguing that it is meant to be a subversion of the MCs going against their parents' wants by getting with women that differ from what their mothers suggested, which is completely off the mark. The comparison is flawed simply because the poster misinterprets that Cloud's mom was describing Aerith (because of the mistranslated "older" line and was properly translated in the Remake), when the conversation was all about Tifa(who Cloud has been in love with since he was a kid). So, in both cases, it's actually foreshadowing of who they would end up with in the future(or in Naruto's case, who he would've been with if not for Shueisha and Pierrot's executive meddling).     

 

It's sad that the poster clearly believes in that "It was planned from the beginning"  schtick that anyone who actually followed Kishimoto's interviews(or just read the manga without NaruHina shipping goggles) would know were BS. 

Edited by Kagomaru, 21 August 2023 - 08:41 PM.

[BlueStarSaber]

Sadly most kishimoto's old interviews are gone and most of the ones now are the current ones

[NaruSaku fan in Kentucky]

[luans7]

Did the author try to deceive fans who preferred the 'Narusaku' relationship, instead of developing the 'NaruHina' couple? If this was indeed Kishimoto's intention, I find that he is much worse at developing romance than I had imagined. I believe he attempted to emulate romantic elements from 'Slam Dunk', but in the end, he seemed to adopt the approach of 'Akira', where unexpected couples were formed at the conclusion of the work.

 

An example of a couple that surprised many was Vegeta and Bulma, which became quite popular, unlike Sasuke-Sakura and Naruto-Hinata, which grew less and less popular. If he wanted to avoid scrutiny, it would have been simpler for him to not explicitly demonstrate the protagonist's feelings, as was the case in 'Bleach'. However, even this approach had its complications for the author.

[VanitasDS76491]

that's adroable and that naruto i know

[Kagomaru]

 

Did the author try to deceive fans who preferred the 'Narusaku' relationship, instead of developing the 'NaruHina' couple? If this was indeed Kishimoto's intention, I find that he is much worse at developing romance than I had imagined. I believe he attempted to emulate romantic elements from 'Slam Dunk', but in the end, he seemed to adopt the approach of 'Akira', where unexpected couples were formed at the conclusion of the work.

 

An example of a couple that surprised many was Vegeta and Bulma, which became quite popular, unlike Sasuke-Sakura and Naruto-Hinata, which grew less and less popular. If he wanted to avoid scrutiny, it would have been simpler for him to not explicitly demonstrate the protagonist's feelings, as was the case in 'Bleach'. However, even this approach had its complications for the author.

 

No, Kishimoto wasn't trying to gaslight anyone.  The quote that I posted is just the desperate, self-deceptive rationale that NaruHina fans clutch to because acknowledging the alternative - that it only came about because he was forced -, is too bitter a truth to accept.  He's stated in the past that he doesn't understand Hinata's appeal and that he resisted when people tried to convince him to replace Sakura with her as the lead heroine.  Add to that, he confirmed that Sakura's confession to Naruto was genuine, to say nothing of the numerous parallels that he's drawn between between them and other relationships in the series. (Rin/Obito, Jiraiya/Tsunade,  Sakura's parents as well as his own)

 

Then you have his father directly comparing Sakura to his wife,  Naruto introducing her as his girlfriend (with her not even denying it), saving Naruto with the Kiss of Life, etc.  You don't put that much ridiculous effort into structuring and developing a relationship with a clearly romantic tint for hundreds of chapters, just to go "Psyche!  The real heroine/love interest is the side character chick who contributes absolutely nothing to the overall series and barely interacts with the protagonist because boobs and men love submissive females! Kakakakaka!"  He wasn't even involved with the Last aside from the movie novelization and there, he illustrated that Naruto's feelings for Hinata were out of obligation for not realizing that she was in love with him.  Dude has even gone on record of saying that the NaruHina couple is "born out of pity for Hinata". 

 

And if NaruHina was planned, then he wouldn't go out of his way to show how dysfunctional their family dynamic is or how miserable and negligent Naruto himself is as both a husband and father.

Edited by Kagomaru, 24 August 2023 - 02:14 PM.

[Phantom_999]

Kishimoto didn't try to gaslight anyone, It was Hinata's fanatics in WSJ, Studio Pierrot that see how hyped up she was in the west that gaslighted HIM AND ATTEMPTED TO GASLIGHT EVERY fan that actually read the story. They thought that the populace that appreciated Hinata Hyuga as a "submissive dutch wife" wife as much as them was WAAAAY bigger than it actually was and appealing to her was the ticket to make Naruto sell even more internationaly and stroke their egos on how how much the Hinata Hyuga community loved Hinata Hyuga. See how badly that back fired, and I just laugh at the irony of it. Kishimoto isn't some manipulative maniac with a hidden agenda, he is a man exhausted and and tired of spending so much time drawing this one series and just wanted to end it because he realizes how much time it took away from him that could be spent with his family instead which really hit him when his father passed away and he was still scribbling away in his studio. Albeit, I still wouldn't put my faith in any manga brand with his name in it anymore, but objectively everyone has to realize he was not the problem or reason with Naruto's decline, it was greed and obsessive vicarious lust for a fictional side character that actually had no impact on the plot. 

Edited by Phantom_999, 19 October 2023 - 12:42 AM.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

No, Kishimoto wasn't trying to gaslight anyone.  The quote that I posted is just the desperate, self-deceptive rationale that NaruHina fans clutch to because acknowledging the alternative - that it only came about because he was forced -, is too bitter a truth to accept.  He's stated in the past that he doesn't understand Hinata's appeal and that he resisted when people tried to convince him to replace Sakura with her as the lead heroine.  Add to that, he confirmed that Sakura's confession to Naruto was genuine, to say nothing of the numerous parallels that he's drawn between between them and other relationships in the series. (Rin/Obito, Jiraiya/Tsunade,  Sakura's parents as well as his own)
 
Then you have his father directly comparing Sakura to his wife,  Naruto introducing her as his girlfriend (with her not even denying it), saving Naruto with the Kiss of Life, etc.  You don't put that much ridiculous effort into structuring and developing a relationship with a clearly romantic tint for hundreds of chapters, just to go "Psyche!  The real heroine/love interest is the side character chick who contributes absolutely nothing to the overall series and barely interacts with the protagonist because boobs and men love submissive females! Kakakakaka!"  He wasn't even involved with the Last aside from the movie novelization and there, he illustrated that Naruto's feelings for Hinata were out of obligation for not realizing that she was in love with him.  Dude has even gone on record of saying that the NaruHina couple is "born out of pity for Hinata". 
 
And if NaruHina was planned, then he wouldn't go out of his way to show how dysfunctional their family dynamic is or how miserable and negligent Naruto himself is as both a husband and father.

Kishimoto didn't try to gaslight anyone, It was Hinata's fanatics in WSJ, Studio Pierrot that see how hyped up she was in the west that gas lighted HIM AND EVERY fan that actually read the story. They thought that the populace that appreciated Hinata Hyuga as a "submissive dutch wife" wife as much as them was WAAAAY bigger than it actually was and appealing to her was the ticket to make Naruto sell even more internationaly and stroke their egos on how how much the the Hinata Hyuga community loved Hinata Hyuga. See how badly tht back fired, and I just laugh at the irony of it. Kishimoto isn't some manipulative maniac with a hidden agenda, he is a man exhausted and and tired of spending so much time drawing this one series and just wanted to end it because he realizes how much time it takes away from him spending time with his family which is what he realized when his father passed away. Albeit I still would put my faith in any manga brand with his name in it anymore, but objectively everyone has to realize he was not the problem with Naruto's decline, it was greed and vicarious lust for a fictional side character that actually had no impact on the plot.

Exactly, guys! And we've seen how Studio Pierrot and Kishi's editors took it too far as well as his being in grieving since his dad died and his feeling burnt out as if he didn't care anymore by the end of the series.