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[trang95]

 

I'm not sure why you're taking a statement, and making a conclusion that was not stated by myself.

 

Whether or not Naruto is a masterpiece and Kishimoto is a genius manga author is subjective, not objective. I do not think Naruto is a masterpiece, I think it's a fascinating, flawed work, that ultimately is a good piece. I think Kishimoto is a good manga writer that has flaws in his story, with some very strong bits laced throughout.

Pardon my sudden intrusion, but I have been sort seeing you in a few related Naruto threads here and there for a while now

Let me just ask you this, and I apologize if this has been asked before: Why did you decide to discuss Boruto and anything Naruto related in a NARUSAKU forum where the general attitude towards the series is extremely negative? You know exactly you will only bud heads with this community which doesn't take the series seriously anymore and simply wants to poke fun at its sequel and the grown-up characters from Naruto.

If you want to actively and seriously discuss Naruto, you could try to go to the Naruto or Boruto subreddit or Boruto myanimelist page. It is not my intention to pick up a fight with you b/c you've been pretty civil (from what I've seen) in your posts, but I truly believe it would be for the best to visit the other suggested threads, for your own interest and, eh, for the schadenfreuden-like mindset of our community.

Edited by trang95, 03 August 2017 - 05:22 AM.

[VanitasDS76491]

I wonder when this is gonna end, this anime and manga are nothing but a cashgrab for pro-enders, everyone in Japan doesn't give a kitten about Naruto anymore, which makes sense after all the bullshiet with The Last, do you think this will even reach the timeframe from where the manga startetd?(the burrito and tattoed guy fight) because as I see things, there  is a lot to happen yet unless, (which will probably happen I  bet) end of the boruto movie arc, and timeskip. I mean,  I don't know much, but from what I read the ratings and sells just drop. I wonder if it can get SO bad that it will be cancelled, that would be pretty damn hialrious xD 
This series has nowhere to go on really, the characters are way too powerful since the war arc, what's next Naruto saved the village, then the ninja world, so what does Burrito is gonna save the kittening galaxy?? And then his Daruto gonna save the universe??

Kids going to have to someone like galactus, Darkseid, Thanos to out do naruto, which he will never do.

[trang95]

 

I'm happy where I am, really. Particularly since I'm not a Reddit user, nor have any desire to be. I've no problem with the general mindset. If anything, it allows more discussion. 

 

Ok, whatever makes you happy, girl, lol.

I just think you won't have any fruitful discussions on this forum.

But again, I still don't understand why out of all forums you had to pick THIS one. I'm guessing to to hone your argumentation skills.

[Gravenimage]

*Me eating popcorn smiling at how Analyzer is getting owned in the discussion debate* 

 

Maybe I should get a soda to enjoy the popcorn lol.

[James S Cassidy]

The later Hiden books expand more on Shikamaru and Temari, so that it doesn't happen off screen.

1. Manga or it didn't happen.
2. The light novels are massively contradicting and even showcase some of the stuff we have been telling including of Sakura wishing she was with Naruto.
3. Kishimoto didn't write nor even supervise the light novels.

Funny how Road to Ninja, a story that is one of the best and best supports NS and is written by Kishimoto himself is considered "non-canon," but all these sources that he didn't even touch are.

Which makes me wonder, why does a writer need other writers to finish the story for him? I don't see JK Rowling having George R.R. Martin writing Harry Potter stories or having to write the last two books.

Edited by James S Cassidy, 07 August 2017 - 12:43 AM.

[BlackShirtGuy]

1. Manga or it didn't happen.
2. The light novels are massively contradicting and even showcase some of the stuff we have been telling including of Sakura wishing she was with Naruto.
3. Kishimoto didn't write nor even supervise the light novels.

Funny how Road to Ninja, a story that is one of the best and best supports NS and is written by Kishimoto himself is considered "non-canon," but all these sources that he didn't even touch are.

Which makes me wonder, why does a writer need other writers to finish the story for him? I don't see JK Rowling having George R.R. Martin writing Harry Potter stories or having to write the last two books.

Wait, seriously number 2 happened!? So, no consistency at all or even those writers know how kitten this series turned with the ending...
Regarding to Road to Ninja, it's obvious something was up, I mean penultimate Naruto movie is a NS movie and then suddenly we have The Last (confirmed cannon by the creator) , it's so blatantly obvious that the ending was a last minute decision, it's really stupid.
That and Neji's death, that makes no sense and it's just there for NH, remove Neji dying (that started the process of guilttripping Naruto on loving Hinata) and NH lost all sense, didn't kishi said that both families are JUST staying together for their stupid kids??

It's really sad how bad this turned out, and now we have Hinata that if it wasn't an useless character before, now is an useless Mary-sue tha SP transformed her into.

P.S.: Hey James, I watched some of your podcasts and loved every minute of them, glad to see(er, read) you, man! I really regret finding out about you like 4 years late dude U.U

[VanitasDS76491]

1. Manga or it didn't happen.
2. The light novels are massively contradicting and even showcase some of the stuff we have been telling including of Sakura wishing she was with Naruto.
3. Kishimoto didn't write nor even supervise the light novels.
Funny how Road to Ninja, a story that is one of the best and best supports NS and is written by Kishimoto himself is considered "non-canon," but all these sources that he didn't even touch are.
Which makes me wonder, why does a writer need other writers to finish the story for him? I don't see JK Rowling having George R.R. Martin writing Harry Potter stories or having to write the last two books.

Or Kojima with the metal gear series or Tetsuya noruma with Kingdom hearts.

[ThroughWithLove]

Wait, seriously number 2 happened!? So, no consistency at all or even those writers know how kitten this series turned with the ending...
Regarding to Road to Ninja, it's obvious something was up, I mean penultimate Naruto movie is a NS movie and then suddenly we have The Last (confirmed cannon by the creator) , it's so blatantly obvious that the ending was a last minute decision, it's really stupid.
That and Neji's death, that makes no sense and it's just there for NH, remove Neji dying (that started the process of guilttripping Naruto on loving Hinata) and NH lost all sense, didn't kishi said that both families are JUST staying together for their stupid kids??

It's really sad how bad this turned out, and now we have Hinata that if it wasn't an useless character before, now is an useless Mary-sue tha SP transformed her into.

P.S.: Hey James, I watched some of your podcasts and loved every minute of them, glad to see(er, read) you, man! I really regret finding out about you like 4 years late dude U.U

 

Someone else writing those novels, The Last movie, etc, screams of "Screw it. I don't care anymore. Do what you want." Kishimoto modeled Sakura after his own wife and modeled Naruto after himself.  It's pretty clear what he had in mind at one point.

[Bail o' Lies]

Wait, seriously number 2 happened!? So, no consistency at all or even those writers know how kitten this series turned with the ending...
Regarding to Road to Ninja, it's obvious something was up, I mean penultimate Naruto movie is a NS movie and then suddenly we have The Last (confirmed cannon by the creator) , it's so blatantly obvious that the ending was a last minute decision, it's really stupid.
That and Neji's death, that makes no sense and it's just there for NH, remove Neji dying (that started the process of guilttripping Naruto on loving Hinata) and NH lost all sense, didn't kishi said that both families are JUST staying together for their stupid kids??

It's really sad how bad this turned out, and now we have Hinata that if it wasn't an useless character before, now is an useless Mary-sue tha SP transformed her into.

P.S.: Hey James, I watched some of your podcasts and loved every minute of them, glad to see(er, read) you, man! I really regret finding out about you like 4 years late dude U.U

They were written quickly, and shotgunned out one month after another. Quality wasn't as important as trying to justify and tie the Last into the canon.

 

 

Someone else writing those novels, The Last movie, etc, screams of "Screw it. I don't care anymore. Do what you want." Kishimoto modeled Sakura after his own wife and modeled Naruto after himself.  It's pretty clear what he had in mind at one point.

Pretty much, also with "I'm moving on the my next project after spending some time with my family." Then, the backslash happened, and suddenly he couldn't leave because the Naruto franchise had become SP main support over the last decade. If that collapsed suddenly without something to replace it the company may go under. So it needs to stay up till they can get something else, which will probably be black clover could have been Tokyo Ghoul but they screwed themselves with that. 

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 07 August 2017 - 04:19 AM.

[BlackShirtGuy]

You know, there's something that's been going through my head lately, about the pairings(especially NH) and I'm sure this been said before but.
Ok, so hypothetically let's forget most of Kishis interviews and assume the initial idea was NS (which is the most believable pairing apart from SNS) but Studio Pierriot convinced Kishi at the last moments to go for NH or they had been pushing for it for a while now and he just gave up on trying to do his own thing, but why do SS? I know it's a pretty popular pairing but the creator himself stated that he couldn't give a good reason for they becoming an item (and explicity stated in the gaiden that the "love" that ties them is Sarada). This two facts lead me to the conclusion that SS happened only because higherups wanted NH(or SS was used to help make NH), it's really the only way you can go around this, this relationship was dead since the second team 7 moment in the series, but it happened even when Sasuke said literally 6 chapters ago he didn't care at all for her and he didn't know what she saw in him, and then, all of a sudden, he has her at the same emotional level than his brother, (I think that because of the forehead poke) really?!?!
This leads me to talk about my main problem (and everyone else's) with this pairings, not only they don't make sense or have any chemistry, they simply don't care for each other.
We know that Sasuke isn't never home, so he doesn't care he would at least show up once a while or kittening called her or some kitten, we also know that Sakura  never calls Sasuke out on not being at home so either: A-She's scared of him (confirming the abusive aspect of the relationship) or B-She doesn't want him around.
Now on Naruhina, I haven't noticed this before I really haven't noticed it but...
First Naruto doesn't care about Hinata at all, even in The last plothole he gives up on her, the VERY moment he leaves her side(I know the movie is playing the stupid card "eh, she is the only one who has that effect on him!!" but it's BS and everyone knows that), he also is never kittening around home, he literally got the family he always wanted and prefer work, yeah his "dream job" but it's idiotic too and I'll explain why: We know in the special that Naruto didn't care at all for becoming Hokage he literally takes it as he was going to take a stupid written test or going to the doctor.
Well now onto Hinata, she is a terribly mother but I wanna judge here as a WIFE, K so your husband, the love of your live since childhood is not present yet and the ceremony when he gets his dream job, you know the shi t he was ALWAYS talking about, don't you think you should go check up on him, no? You are just gonna stay there? OK then.
Then she  comes home and her reaction upon finding her husband unconscious on the hall is lackluster, to say the least, also she doesn't reprimend her children for what she did, I'm asumming she didn't since how Himaturd behaved and what Burrito grows up to be.
Noone actually cared that Naruto didn't showed up to his big day, noone went to check upon him either, did they read the script and knew what happened to him or what gives???
Seriously, it was his dream but appearently nobody gave a kitten about it not even himself...

He gave up on everything and everyone by extension gave up on him...

 

Edited by BlackShirtGuy, 07 August 2017 - 07:18 AM.

[Bail o' Lies]

I spaced it out for personal reasons:

You know, there's something that's been going through my head lately, about the pairings(especially NH) and I'm sure this been said before but.

 

Ok, so hypothetically let's forget most of Kishis interviews and assume the initial idea was NS (which is the most believable pairing apart from SNS) but Studio Pierriot convinced Kishi at the last moments to go for NH or they had been pushing for it for a while now and he just gave up on trying to do his own thing, but why do SS?

 

I know it's a pretty popular pairing but the creator himself stated that he couldn't give a good reason for they becoming an item (and explicitly stated in the gaiden that the "love" that ties them is Sarada).

 

This two facts lead me to the conclusion that SS happened only because higherups wanted NH(or SS was used to help make NH), it's really the only way you can go around this, this relationship was dead since the second team 7 moment in the series, but it happened even when Sasuke said literally 6 chapters ago he didn't care at all for her and he didn't know what she saw in him, and then, all of a sudden, he has her at the same emotional level than his brother, (I think that because of the forehead poke) really?!?!

 

This leads me to talk about my main problem (and everyone else's) with this pairings, not only they don't make sense or have any chemistry, they simply don't care for each other.

We know that Sasuke isn't never home, so he doesn't care he would at least show up once a while or kittening called her or some kitten, we also know that Sakura  never calls Sasuke out on not being at home so either: A-She's scared of him (confirming the abusive aspect of the relationship) or B-She doesn't want him around.

Now onto Naruhina, I haven't noticed this before I really haven't noticed it but:

 

First Naruto doesn't care about Hinata at all, even in The last plothole he gives up on her, the VERY moment he leaves her side(I know the movie is playing the stupid card "eh, she is the only one who has that effect on him!!" but it's BS and everyone knows that), he also is never kittening around home, he literally got the family he always wanted and prefer work, yeah his "dream job" but it's idiotic too and I'll explain why: We know in the special that Naruto didn't care at all for becoming Hokage he literally takes it as he was going to take a stupid written test or going to the doctor.

Well now onto Hinata, she is a terribly mother but I wanna judge here as a WIFE, K so your husband, the love of your live since childhood is not present yet and the ceremony when he gets his dream job, you know the shi t he was ALWAYS talking about, don't you think you should go check up on him, no? You are just gonna stay there? OK then.

 

Then she  comes home and her reaction upon finding her husband unconscious on the hall is lackluster, to say the least, also she doesn't reprimand her children for what she did, I'm assuming she didn't since how Himaturd behaved and what Burrito grows up to be.

 

No-one actually cared that Naruto didn't showed up to his big day, no-one went to check upon him either, did they read the script and knew what happened to him or what gives???

 

Seriously, it was his dream but apparently nobody gave a kitten about it not even himself...

He gave up on everything and everyone by extension gave up on himself...

SS was "pairing the spares," and creating a daughter for nH's son to marry in an attempt to please all the fanbases by having those two marry. Kishimoto doesn't like it, and SP only plays lips service to please the fans.

 

As for nH during the ceremony Hinata was getting Naruto's cloak that was "conveniently" only finished that day at the last minute," by the time she got home it was implied the ceremony was already over. As for the thing going on with her child. Bolt outright stated that the daughter beat him up so badly he thought he was going to die, and became so traumatized by it he swore to never upset her again. That part was added by this episode. Comedy!

 

Right, but you understand that the company can just ... go make another anime? The second argument has no foundation here.

 

The first one I am also going to criticize, because 1: You have no idea how long it took them to write it, though books can be written quickly with devotion. And while quality is completely subjective, it's completely unfounded to say that they were even trying to justify the Last into canon, frankly, the Last was part of canon without dispute. They were just giving fans more of what happened after, to satisfy really, a large hunger for more of this time period.

Wow. You must think corporation and the economy work off magic and fairy dust.

 

SP is a company that makes animated adaptations of other products, it mostly know for it anime adaptations of various manga. In order for them to make their product (their anime) that need to obtain the rights to make their adaptation normally from another company. Then they need to hire people who then work on their cartoon. Then they need to find a TV company that is willing to show their finished product. All of this takes time and money, also the anime may not make any profit if it is not successful at catching an audaince.

 

Now then since they cancelled Bleach, Naruto is their only anime franchise that is running year round. So is the only thing that is potentially making profits for them all year. Other then that they have been able to do some other anime, but vary few are able to make it more then a single season and are some cases cancelled before they can even finish that. Also they been getting a negative reputation recently. NO not solely because of Naruto. Most people hate them for messing up Tokyo Ghoul from what I understand.

 

How where those novels not shotgunned out month after month? Also I said justify and tie it into the canon. As for their quality each sequent book in the line sold less then the previous one with rapid drops. So clearly they weren't something that was keeping their audience interested and buying the next one.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 07 August 2017 - 08:51 AM.

[James S Cassidy]

P.S.: Hey James, I watched some of your podcasts and loved every minute of them, glad to see(er, read) you, man! I really regret finding out about you like 4 years late dude U.U

I am glad you like it. It was a lot of fun. I am trying to reboot it all, but life is getting in the way.
 

[TouKen4Life3g]

Anyone remembers their reaction towards Kakashi getting both Sharigans? I remember people being so pissed. Hell, loudest I heard in all fandoms.

Edited by TouKen4Life3g, 07 August 2017 - 07:36 PM.

[James S Cassidy]

Anyone remembers their reaction towards Kakashi getting both Sharigans? I remember people being so pissed. Hell, loudest I heard in all fandoms.

I do remember that. lol

Now it all seems so....inconsequential.

[BlueStarSaber]

Anyone remembers their reaction towards Kakashi getting both Sharigans? I remember people being so pissed. Hell, loudest I heard in all fandoms.

That was the worst thing before the ending happened.

[BlackShirtGuy]

That was the worst thing before the ending happened.

The Sharingan become such a stupid power, breaking every single rule it has that as it is now, the only thing that would top it it would be if it can be translated via sexual intercourse or some kitten and Sakura use it,

[TouKen4Life3g]

That was the day that defenders become avengers.

[The Doctor forever]

I do remember that. lol

Now it all seems so....inconsequential.

Yep man and now Naruto is slowly dying in a painful way and as my friend would say and when it does happen,

 

[Kagomaru]

The Sharingan become such a stupid power, breaking every single rule it has that as it is now, the only thing that would top it it would be if it can be translated via sexual intercourse or some kitten and Sakura use it,

And with that remark, you remind me of Sasuke, our dear "The 2 and a Half Minute Man".

[Bail o' Lies]

And with that remark, you remind me of Sasuke, our dear "The 2 and a Half Minute Man".