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[VanitasDS76491]

I agree. It may be a new way to endure if the fan service is the level of Fairy Tail, but out of it, I get something decent for once, nothing regressing or contradicting. So I am willing to accept it. But imagine the combo of Kishi's writing and fan service level of Mashima. That would be something to behold...

I say Mashima is better at writing characters and developing them just look at Erza, well written and hot as hell and she's not useless unlike that kittening princess Hinata who is the worse character ever.

[VanitasDS76491]

Statement: One of the main reason why people still adore Naruto a lot is because they came from the time where it was once new or special to their younger self; therefore, it made it hard to dislike or even in the middle ground. Because of it, they will shoehorn in there and praise it as it is.

Agree or disagree?

Not everything you grew up with will still be good years down the line The Nostalgia Critic is proof of that. I look back on Naruto and I'm pissed off at seeing the arcs I like not mean anything anymore cause of the last. It's like Linkara and Cry for Justice and how that ruined his favorite era of the Titans.  

[VanitasDS76491]

 

I concur with you on all of that, Tricksie. Especially since Naruto just got shoved to the side to make Sasuke and Hinata more important. Maybe Kishi should have just called the series "Sasuke" instead since he seemed to emphasize more on him than his own titular hero. =/

It's like Final Fantasy X and XII were Tidus and Vaan might be the main characters you follow and play as but they have nothing to do with the story, The story of Final Fantasy X and XII was about Yuna and Ashe as Spoony said and I agree with him.

 

[VanitasDS76491]

Statement: Hinata probably has gain a lot more attention due to Sakura's characteristics not in favor with the fans; therefore, it gave them the reason to favor more towards Hinata as a heroine position, despite not being entitled as one. In other words, the boost to Hinata's popularity is partially credit to Sakura's character.

Agree or disagree?

I though her kittens were the reason she got popular.

 

[HalfDemonInuyasha]

I though her kittens were the reason she got popular.

 

Just so you know, you can multi-quote numerous posts into a single response post so you don't need to post multiple times to separate quotes. Otherwise it could possibly be mistaken for spam.

[Bryon_Konoha_Ninja]

Yes!! You know, I used to think it should be named 'Sasuke' almost as a joke - it was a back-handed insult I never thought it would be true!! I always thought Naruto would turn around in the end, he would come into his own and shine as the star and hero and savior of Konoha who gets the girl he wants. But none of that happened. Except for Hinata getting Naruto, everything else went Sasuke's way. Naruto was just forgotten about!

 

Which is tragic to me, since it just makes Naruto feel, I dunno, redundant since Sasuke got so much of the spotlight that Naruto didn't matter.

[Yyubie]

The difference is Naruto get 95% screen time than Sasuke, he always appear on every episode in the anime and every chapter of the manga. BUT!!

Sasuke past/background get SOOO BETTER explanation ... every trace of it, every details of it got explain, his clan got explained, his and his clan eyes sharingan got soo much power up and each of those power up got a detailed explanation, it is explained why his clan got slaughter.

 

While on the other hand ... Naruto the Uzumaki clan never get detailed explanation why it went extinct ... it only said because of they developing sealing technique and that's become a target of every village attacking them, and only have 2 power explained ... the Chakra chain and according to Sage Kabuto said Uzumaki clan got red haired because they have strong life force that's why Kushina can survive the Kyubi extraction for a short time.

 

In my opinion we are closer to Sasuke even though he got less screen time than Naruto, simply because Sasuke is too perfect to not to become a main hero instead. That's why this series should be called Sasuke instead of Naruto

[Skarrow]

Statement: It would have been a better idea to have female characters to do stuff but in return, plenty of fan service. Regardless, it would have been better than what we have today.

Agree or disagree?

 

Agree, because 95% of the original fanservice was provided by a boy who transforms into a sexy girl.

 

...Kishi should have went with a gay battle manga or something if he loved pretty boys so much

 

 

 

On a different note, seeing how antagonistic Naruto is acting after ch 700... Maybe Kishi will finally reveal the details of Naruto's past to us and end up retconning even more stuff in the process. Since he loves developing his villains more than his heroes.

[BlackBird19]

The difference is Naruto get 95% screen time than Sasuke, he always appear on every episode in the anime and every chapter of the manga. BUT!!

Sasuke past/background get SOOO BETTER explanation ... every trace of it, every details of it got explain, his clan got explained, his and his clan eyes sharingan got soo much power up and each of those power up got a detailed explanation, it is explained why his clan got slaughter.

 

While on the other hand ... Naruto the Uzumaki clan never get detailed explanation why it went extinct ... it only said because of they developing sealing technique and that's become a target of every village attacking them, and only have 2 power explained ... the Chakra chain and according to Sage Kabuto said Uzumaki clan got red haired because they have strong life force that's why Kushina can survive the Kyubi extraction for a short time.

 

In my opinion we are closer to Sasuke even though he got less screen time than Naruto, simply because Sasuke is too perfect to not to become a main hero instead. That's why this series should be called Sasuke instead of Naruto

It's like I said before, when Kishi decided to write a redemption story for Sasuke he wrote himself into a corner. He had to go into detail about Sasuke and his family so the reader would view him in a sympathetic light and root for his redemption. All while still trying to tell Naruto's personal story and he just couldn't do it. He failed miserably at both. Sasuke's redemption came off as forced and unrelatable and Naruto just felt lacking and incomplete because he put so much more time into Sasuke.

 

All this came about because Kishi thought he could write a good story about bonds in the middle of a hero's tale. Therefore, the route he chose to use to express this idea was of one friend striving to save the other. It's just he executed it so poorly. It became a story stuck in it's own hypocrisy. With a main character who comes off as completely selfless while at the same time is also absolutely selfish when it comes to his rival. Kishi just isn't a good enough writer to try something with that kind of complexity.

[Yyubie]

It's like I said before, when Kishi decided to write a redemption story for Sasuke he wrote himself into a corner. He had to go into detail about Sasuke and his family so the reader would view him in a sympathetic light and root for his redemption. All while still trying to tell Naruto's personal story and he just couldn't do it. He failed miserably at both. Sasuke's redemption came off as forced and unrelatable and Naruto just felt lacking and incomplete because he put so much more time into Sasuke.

 

All this came about because Kishi thought he could write a good story about bonds in the middle of a hero's tale. Therefore, the route he chose to use to express this idea was of one friend striving to save the other. It's just he executed it so poorly. It became a story stuck in it's own hypocrisy. With a main character who comes off as completely selfless while at the same time is also absolutely selfish when it comes to his rival. Kishi just isn't a good enough writer to try something with that kind of complexity.

UGHHHH ... i always DESPISE and HATE the idea of SAVING SASUKE.

 

It's like he is the golden boy, he is the fate of the world, he is the main subject in this manga, he is lord or king in this manga, he can't die because the manga die with him therefore he must be redeem.

WHY ... why is everything have to be tie / connected with him?? i hate him with all my hearth i wish i can see his head on a pike and be put in hokage statue.

[VanitasDS76491]

Just so you know, you can multi-quote numerous posts into a single response post so you don't need to post multiple times to separate quotes. Otherwise it could possibly be mistaken for spam.

I know I just can't find more than one post to response to. Your thoughts on my post about Hinata's kittens being the reason she got popular?

[Phantom_999]

As much as I'd LIKE to agree, no she had quite the coming before part II. She was pretty flat then so...........

Edited by Phantom_999, 06 April 2016 - 03:55 AM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I have to agree though Hinata got fans on her own. I do think that because of Sakura being seen as a "bad" character, people often go to the safer bet, that is Hinata. Like imagine in popularity poll, where Sakura wins in the female side, but Hinata closing in. Then, many bad decisions happen around her, and people will start to think, "Wow, she's terrible. Who's good? Hinata? Er, ok." Plus, being in love interest role can gain rating, so she's no exception. Unfortunately, Kishi is so one dimension, that her character became cemented one dimension, where she once had a potential.

So why Sakura doesn't get spotlight if she's the same? Because she is being positioned as a role model/heroine that we get to see more of her and therefore, more of poor decision making. It's very clear that Kishi has no idea what to do with her.

[rocci]

@touken
So Basically she's the female version of iruka?

[TouKen4Life3g]

@touken
So Basically she's the female version of iruka?

Who? Hinata? You can say that. The funny thing is that Nanatsu no Taizai made fun of poll in a way by listing reasons that may or may not be true but feels like it. Since Hinata confess with no drawbacks, as in lying, she cemented herself as the top. Sakura cemented herself of no return with that confession. That's all speculation of course, but it seems right.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Statement: Hinata confessing her love in arguably the last good arc cemented her as the heroine that isn't yet overshadows the actual one, Sakura. Therefore, the fans can't see otherwise anymore, leaving Sakura to dust.

Agree or disagree?

[rocci]

Statement: Hinata confessing her love in arguably the last good arc cemented her as the heroine that isn't yet overshadows the actual one, Sakura. Therefore, the fans can't see otherwise anymore, leaving Sakura to dust.

Agree or disagree?

Her confession is a predictable move that will happen one way or another.

I kind of agree that it cemented her heroine status, but not because it's a heroic move nor it's a heroine move. It happen because sakura lack action in that arc that make people question her heroine status. Just like people questioning naruto hero/mc status in part 2.

Regarding your previous response, yes she's Hinata.
She's like iruka because what make iruka popular is pairing and the fact that he's supportive to naruto Eventhought he's rarely appear just like Hinata. So I make that assumption that she's like iruka, popularity wise.

[Bail o' Lies]

Statement: Hinata confessing her love in arguably the last good arc cemented her as the heroine. That hasn't yet overshadows the actual one, Sakura.

Agree or disagree?

Ok couldn't even being to understand the last part. Did hinata confession cement herself as the heroine. No. But did it do that for her fans. Yes, because that's all they cared about anyways. By the time the pein arc happened, hinata's fans had long since thought Naruto story had turn into crap and only cared about hinata getting what she "rightfully deserved." To the point that the confession was the most important part of the pein arc and not Naruto discussion with Nagato. Same with the hand holding scene. To most the fans it was disgusting how quickly hinata went from mourning neji or giving naruto a speech to obsessing about his hand's warmth. To her fan it was a beautiful moment the encapsulated her arc or some bs like that and she deserved that moment and yada yada. To them the three most important parts of the manga before the ending were the chunin exam because that's were hinata was introduce and the start of nH, the confession, and the hand holding. Everything else to them is filler.

 

Now why that eventually knocked Sakura out of heroine status. I think we has already discussed many times before. But here I go again. Since they were obsessed with nH and it was the only thing they cared about in Naruto by the time the pein arc happened. They thought the hinata's confession was the start of Naruto returning her feelings. When Sakura had her confession next arc they reacted in both fear and anger. Anger because they saw her as a kitten trying to steal the guy that the was "rightfully" hinata's, who she had already laid claim to(in their opinion, making him off limits for any other girl). And fear because they knew that Naruto had feeling for Sakura and if she showed any hints of returning Naruto's feelings towards her, hinata would stand no chance. Granted she was already showing that before. So after the confession they immediately labeled it a "false confession" and sent many death threat letters to kishi with their hatred of Sakura. Since the new editors and assistants were increasingly Hinata fans. They started pressuring kishi to give up on Sakura. He resisted at first got the other mangaka to support him. But eventually he was drained of passion for the story over the years the war arc was happening and submitted to their pressure by the end.

Edited by Bail o' Lies, 07 April 2016 - 04:20 AM.

[Nostradamus]

It still boggles me that how can a story go this bad.

Because the real writer left and the only one left to finish the story was the clown. And the clown got tired and left as well, thus leaving the jesters to finish it.
And so we have well that thing. Whatever that thing is supposed to be.

[Phantom_999]

Statement: Hinata confessing her love in arguably the last good arc cemented her as the heroine that isn't yet overshadows the actual one, Sakura. Therefore, the fans can't see otherwise anymore, leaving Sakura to dust.

Agree or disagree?

 

Disagree. Because what did that do for her character? NOTHING. So she would have stayed the same whether she confessed or not. DO you see any progress for her character beyond that point? she was only telling the one person oblivious to her feelings within their fictional universe and beyond the fourth wall, to anyone that gives a kitten and it still amounted to nothing. And I repeat again. NOTHING HAPPENED. The target of her affections didn't get the hint even in the movie her wankers/fappers/self inserters/ male self inserters to scumzamaki are so proud of to call canon cause she got what she wanted and by extension themselves. Naruto didn't notice her more than usual. He didn't interact with her more than usual. He didn't feel anything special towards her, as usual. It literally took over half the movie for him, with his own "so-called friends" stupidly playing matchmaker for him, a genjutsu guilt trip, and a rivalry with a kitten developed, half-a$$ed thought out villain to take poor sweet Hinata out of pity, and because of his rejection from Sakura. Did I miss anything else?  

Edited by Phantom_999, 08 April 2016 - 01:09 AM.