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[TouKen4Life3g]

It already has ... and it has hit them hard , but they deny that . Here -> http://uchiha-red.tu...n-from-sasusaku

Last time a NH fan ass pulled so much SS arguments, because he ran out of NH moments , so he said something of the lines .. '' Due to Tóbirama's explanations about the Sharingann Saasuke will eventually love Sakura''.. Hmm.. Nope.

Again, Kishi killed it by making love as in general rather only about romantic, so yeah, he don't need to be cured with romantic love, but with a brotherly love.

[Otaru]

She thinks she doesn't deserve all the attention Naruto gives her. Therefore she called him a "fool" because he is in love with an unworthy girl.

 

 

I always interpreted it like you.

That is a really important aspect of their relation I think. To me the fact that Sakura thinks she's unworthy of his love is a big proof of how high she thinks about Naruto. What a difference between now and the past ^^

[Psychox]

 

Wait, what? Last time I checked Sasuke has awaken new Sharingan powers for: Itachi, Naruto, Naruto again, Itachi dying and finally Karin. 

Well, yeah , but that girl/boy has written it not me
 

 

Again, Kishi killed it by making love as in general rather only about romantic, so yeah, he don't need to be cured with romantic love, but with a brotherly love.

True, but that doesn't change the fact that he did open a new power for Karin , so she is a girl and... maybe.

Edited by Psychox, 19 September 2013 - 07:30 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

Well, yeah , but that girl/boy has written it not me
 

 

True, but that doesn't change the fact that he did open a new power for Karin , so she is a girl and... maybe.

I know. Just trying to calm the pairing war here.

[Darkness]

Well, yeah , but that girl/boy has written it not me
 

 

True, but that doesn't change the fact that he did open a new power for Karin , so she is a girl and... maybe.

 

I know! It's just kind of my own instant reaction when I see such nosense argument.  

Edited by Darkness, 19 September 2013 - 08:49 PM.

[Superman333]

That's the same conclusion i got and yet it's ridiculous anyway, she called Naruto a fool because she feels unworthy of him but yet sasuke doesnt get the same treatment, she didnt see that Sasuke is unworthy of her?

540 says this, she's ashamed of her feelings or knows that Sasuke is a bad guy, we dont get any conclusion or resolution about that scene, yes she doesnt trust Sasuke but how could she trust him after what he did to her, that's the problem with this, we have yet to see a conclusion about this whole thing.

We dont know if she still wants to pursue a relationship with Sasuke or already dropped this.

 

In the end is the same thing she also doesnt has self respect, Sakura doesnt acknowledge the things she does and always try to put down her own actions.

On that moment she thought she was on almost on the same level as Sasuke in terms of making Naruto suffer, inst it ridiculous?

 

"i'm the one that made Naruto suffer the most"

( i believe it's mistranslation i think")

"i only do mistakes..."

if she thinks she is unworthy of Naruto but not Sasuke that further proves who she loves in all honesty . 

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

if she thinks she is unworthy of Naruto but not Sasuke that further proves who she loves in all honesty . 

I'll just agree to disagree.
It's obvious that she didnt loved Naruto there and the summit proves that when it comes to her feelings to Sasuke.
i'm done with people trying to prove the otherwise like if assuming that she lied or she didnt loved Naruto there is something bad for NS.

I'm not going to argue against this when the manga proves my point.

 

The only thing that this line proves is that Sakura has a low view about herself and that she doenst have self respect.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 September 2013 - 09:08 PM.

[Superman333]

I'll just agree to disagree.
It's obvious that she didnt loved Naruto there and the summit proves that when it comes to her feelings to Sasuke.
i'm done with people trying to prove the otherwise like if assuming that she lied or she didnt loved Naruto there is something bad for NS.

I'm not going to argue against this when the manga proves my point.

 

The only thing that this line proves is that Sakura has a low view about herself and that she doenst have self respect.

I feel that its not so much she didn't love him there but wasn't sure because of her lingering feelings for Sasuke . I mean she showed signs that she loved him prior to this confession . That act of kill Sasuke for Naruto was a sign of love in itself and the fact she thought of herself as unworthy to Naruto only further proves it . The way she put her life on the line for Naruto was unlike anything she has done for Sasuke in my eyes . 

 

That line doesn't prove she had a low view about herself because she obviously doesn't think the same for Sasuke she obviosuly think she's worthy of Sasuke . It just shows that she wants Naruto to be happy and she didn't feel like she could do the job , she felt like she wasn't good enough for his love because of all the pain she brought to him and she felt like she didn't deserve his love because that shows she loves him too but hey thats my opinion . 

 

as I read the manga it just shows me that Sakura-Chan's feelings for Naruto are hidden and sasuke is just the obstacle in the way of her noticing them but they always come out full blast stronger than the last time when naruto is in trouble etc . 

 

but I don't want to argue about this .

Edited by Superman333, 19 September 2013 - 09:36 PM.

[Hiraishin]

I could see Sakura's life being in danger next volume, definitely.

If we want to tie in other foreshadowing then I could see something along these lines happening:

- Sakura takes a blow for Naruto, the same way she took the sword to the stomach for Chiyo (fulfilling the foreshadowing from Chiyo's words about Sakura protecting people who are precious to her next time)
- They talk a bit before Sakura falls unconscious (maybe if Kishi really wants to hammer parallels, it will play a bit like Minato and Kushina's final conversation, with Sakura telling Naruto not to make that face and/or Naruto telling her she can't die and that she made him who he is now)
- The interaction and Naruto's reaction when she falls unconscious leads Obito to see him and Rin (maybe Kishi will have Naruto holding Sakura in a similar manner than he showed Obito holding Rin's body)
- Naruto will go all out on Obito - whatever the result, Obito tries to tempt Naruto into accepting the Infinite Tsukiyomi where he can have Sakura back, and Naruto will flat out refuse (making him surpass Obito) and his resulting reasons/speech will effectively TnJ Obito
- In the meantime, Sakura is healed by Karin (a reverse of how Sakura saved Karin at the summit by healing her)

So basically, I can see it kind of working out like the ordeal with Sasuke taking the blow for Naruto in the fight against Haku, Naruto flipping out, and then Naruto learning only afterwards that Sasuke is alright.

As for Sasuke reacting, I don't see him having much of one honestly. He was apathetic when protecting Sakura back in 632, and apathetic about leaving her to die when they were trapped in the barrier. He'll likely look shocked (he wouldn't bother protecting her if he didn't care at least a little bit about her still), but I don't think he would show much reaction outside of that. It wouldn't be the point of the scene regardless - which would be to confirm ObiRin NaruSaku parallel and lead to Obito's TnJ, as well as showcasing Sakura as the heroine and the strength of her feelings for Naruto once again.

/shameless speculating

Either way, I hope that the set up from this chapter leads to the conclusion of the fight against Obito in the next volume.

Just a small side note: I saw another connection with Road to Ninja in this chapter - Sakura connecting with Naruto's heart and feeling the pain of loneliness he did is very similar to Sakura essentially swapping places with Naruto and becoming the orphan - in both instances she comes to understand Naruto's pain of loneliness specifically by feeling what he felt. It probably doedn't mean anything, I just thought it was an interesting similarity is all.

Yep, these are my thoughts as well. Particularly the things in the bold - I've daydreamt about how these scenes might play out quite a bit, ha.

By the way, concerning Sakura's line: Can anyone confirm which line of Sakura's is the correct one from this chapter - the one with her saying, "I can feel his heart" or "We're entering his heart"? I would really appreciate it :-)

The raw doesn't come out until tomorrow, so we can't know for sure quite yet, but I'd go with "I can feel his heart" for now - Mangapanda tends to be more accurate than mangastream with their translations. :)

To me, Sakura's 'love' for Sasuke was just the immature and irrational love of a twelve year old. Changing herself to gain his attention, competing with other girls, allowing him to treat her poorly. Even she said in her desperate confession to him "You never talk to me", she did grow to have a genuine affection for him, but I don't think it was love in the romantic sense, she just didn't know any other way to define it and I think being away from him for so long has just muddied those waters even more.

Yep, definitely. Truthfully, I think it was more infatuation than anything else.

But these little interactions between Karin/Sakura and Sasuke still doesn't change the destructive nature of the relationship. Hence, I can't see how they are that different.

As I said, I'm not trying to deny anybody from liking SK. I'm just disagreeing with some people who are acting as if Sakura committed a big crime for loving Sasuke, and yet at the same time giving Karin a free pass for doing the same thing.

Yes! Exactly.

In the end is the same thing she also doesnt has self respect, Sakura doesnt acknowledge the things she does and always try to put down her own actions.
On that moment she thought she was on almost on the same level as Sasuke in terms of making Naruto suffer, inst it ridiculous?

"i'm the one that made Naruto suffer the most"
( i believe it's mistranslation i think")
"i only do mistakes..."

Her not always having self-respect (especially in part one) stems from her low self-esteem. And yeah, it's really ridiculous that she thinks she caused Naruto as much as, or even more pain than Sasuke did! But like I said, she has low self-esteem and tends to have low self-worth, too, especially when it comes to Naruto.

And nah, I'm pretty sure that's not a mistranslation.

Edited by mydearbeloved, 19 September 2013 - 09:39 PM.

[Psychox]

I feel that its not so much she didn't love him there but wasn't sure because of her lingering feelings for Sasuke . I mean she showed signs that she loved him prior to this confession . That act of kill Sasuke for Naruto was a sign of love in itself and the fact she thought of herself as unworthy to Naruto only further proves it . The way she put her life on the line for Naruto was unlike anything she has done for Sasuke in my eyes . 

 

That line doesn't prove she had a low view about herself because she obviously doesn't think the same for Sasuke she obviosuly think she's worthy of Sasuke . It just shows that she wants Naruto to be happy and she didn't feel like she could do the job , she felt like she wasn't good enough for his love because of all the pain she brought to him and she felt like she didn't deserve his love because that shows she loves him too but hey thats my opinion . 

 

as I read the manga it just shows me that Sakura-Chan's feelings for Naruto are hidden and sasuke is just the obstacle in the way of her noticing them but they always come out full blast stronger than the last time when naruto is in trouble etc . 

 

but I don't want to argue about this .

Bolded : If an SS shipper reads that sentence he/she will tell you : ''Sakura put her life on the line when Sasuke was about to get killed from Gaara.

Yes, in part 1 , in part 2 they tried to kill each other more than they talked to one another.

 

I'll just agree to disagree.
It's obvious that she didnt loved Naruto there and the summit proves that when it comes to her feelings to Sasuke.
i'm done with people trying to prove the otherwise like if assuming that she lied or she didnt loved Naruto there is something bad for NS.

I'm not going to argue against this when the manga proves my point.

 

The only thing that this line proves is that Sakura has a low view about herself and that she doenst have self respect.

She goes to kill Sasuke = she loves him , having a flashback + the fact she couldn't kill him = loves Sasuke , doing all that stuff for Naruto= no matter how much she will get fond of him she will love SAsuke .  Typical SS argument .

Then we could safely assume the fact when Yamato told her..''The truth is you..'' don't love NAruto but have confidance issues?

This gives me the impression that she was confused and the confession was forced . And of course the so called ''true'' love for Sasuke was there so her feelings for Naruto  are negated .

Nah, it goes deeper than that . If Kishi was telling the truth during his interview and she wasn't arrogant , why would he say so ? It makes little connection. Why would she lie ? Why would she manipulate him like that? There is a major reason ,but why a confession? There is something missing is all i am saying .

Edited by Psychox, 19 September 2013 - 09:58 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I feel that its not so much she didn't love him there but wasn't sure because of her lingering feelings for Sasuke . I mean she showed signs that she loved him prior to this confession . That act of kill Sasuke for Naruto was a sign of love in itself and the fact she thought of herself as unworthy to Naruto only further proves it . The way she put her life on the line for Naruto was unlike anything she has done for Sasuke in my eyes . 

 

That line doesn't prove she had a low view about herself because she obviously doesn't think the same for Sasuke she obviosuly think she's worthy of Sasuke . It just shows that she wants Naruto to be happy and she didn't feel like she could do the job , she felt like she wasn't good enough for his love because of all the pain she brought to him and she felt like she didn't deserve his love because that shows she loves him too but hey thats my opinion . 

 

as I read the manga it just shows me that Sakura-Chan's feelings for Naruto are hidden and sasuke is just the obstacle in the way of her noticing them but they always come out full blast stronger than the last time when naruto is in trouble etc . 

 

but I don't want to argue about this .

She left the village thinking she was the one who most bought up pain to Naruto, she was ready to do whatever it takes to fix that, she had two options "Kill Sasuke" or "make a confession", in case it's a display of love.
I mean Naruto did so much things for Sakura and she feels that she wants to return it, even if it means to be his girlfriend, but she loves Sasuke, which is show on the summit, so even if it's confused i cant use those scenes to prove that she loves Naruto, i see on the confession, most likely she wanting to give a chance on the idea of being his girlfriend, but she didnt resolver her issues with Sasuke, deep inside she wanted to confront Sasuke and she got it later.

 

We had a choking moment where Naruto saves Sakura when she was about to die, thing could change after that moment, i prefer to stabilish a line between what is past the "bridal save" and what is after the "bridal save".

 

Her mindset about Sasuke changed, her approach to him changed and she become more gentle on Naruto.

And i think on this arc is where Sakura is falling in love with Naruto, we had the great guy thing, Naruto acknowledging Sakura, Naruto showing he cares about the others, while Sasuke is doing the opposite.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 19 September 2013 - 10:20 PM.

[Superman333]

 

She left the village thinking she was the one who most bought up pain to Naruto, she was ready to do whatever it takes to fix that, she had two options "Kill Sasuke" or "make a confession", in case it's a display of love.
I mean Naruto did so much things for Sakura and she feels that she wants to return it, even if it means to be his girlfriend, but she loves Sasuke, which is show on the summit, so even if it's confused i cant use those scenes to prove that she loves Naruto, i see on the confession, most likely she wanting to give a chance on the idea of being his girlfriend, but she didnt resolver her issues with Sasuke, deep inside she wanted to confront Sasuke and she got it later.

 

We had a choking moment where Naruto saves Sakura when she was about to die, thing could change after that moment, i prefer to stabilish a line between what is past the "bridal save" and what is after the "bridal save".

 

Her mindset about Sasuke changed, her approach to him changed and she become more gentle on Naruto.

And i think on this arc is where Sakura is falling in love with Naruto, we had the great guy thing, Naruto acknowledging Sakura, Naruto showing he cares about the others, while Sasuke is doing the opposite.

I look at it differently . She heard what Sai said about Naruto . Yes she she had feelings for Sasuke at the time I'm not denying that but to me love is a long shot , it showed that she was more focused on Naruto's well being than her love for Sasuke  . But like chapter 297 with Yamato giving her the " I can tell just by looking at you blah blah blah ... " she once again realized it could be something more that she is feeling for Naruto it was just brought out of her but she didn't know what it was herself  . Therefore she cried , she thought about all the pain she brought upon him ,  but she chose to confess    , something that could have hurt Naruto and put even more pain in his heart on top the promise and I don't think she lied due to her thinking of Naruto's feelings and wanting to make him happy as well , choosing his happiness over her own  . It was forced out of her just like in 297 and she acted on impulse . I mean she thought she wasn't worthy of his love , that is signs of love in itself , she was willing to die in return and have him hate her but if that meant him being relieved that was what mattered as well that was a sign of love . But of course you will look at it differently .  I'm not saying she was full blown in love with him at that time but she sure as hell was more in love with him than Sasuke in my opinion since she is willing to kill a romantic interest for Naruto , thats why i say it happens on impulse . 

 

Yes i agree her mindset about Sasuke had changed and her mindset about Naruto was been changed since part 1 slowly , not just recently .  I just in honesty think that she has been growing feelings for Naruto for a long time , but now is the time that she is actually realizing it for what it is and thats love . 

 

           but like I said I don't want to argue about it lols . 

Edited by Superman333, 19 September 2013 - 11:56 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

I look at it differently . She heard what Sai said about Naruto . Yes she she had feelings for Sasuke at the time . But like chapter 297 with Yamato giving her the " I can tell just by looking at you blah blah blah ... " she once again realized it could be something more that she is feeling for Naruto . Therefore she cried , she thought about all the pain she brought upon him , imo a simple " Naruto I want you to forget about the promise ,  .."  would have been good but she chose to confess  , something that could have hurt Naruto and put even more pain in his heart on top the promise and I don't think she lied due to her thinking of Naruto's feelings and wanting to make him happy as well . It was forced out of her just like in 297 and she acted on impulse . I mean she thought she wasn't worthy of his love , that is signs of love in itself , she was willing to die in return and have him hate her but if that meant him being relieved that was what mattered as well that was a sign of love . But of course you will look at it differently .  I'm not saying she was full blown in love with him at that time but she sure as hell was more in love with him than Sasuke in my opinion since she is willing to kill a romantic interest for Naruto , thats why i say it happens on impulse . 

 

Yes i agree her mindset about Sasuke had changed and her mindset about Naruto was been changed since part 1 slowly , not just recently .  I just in honesty think that she has been growing feelings for Naruto for a long time , but now is the time that she is actually realizing it for what it is . 

Nothing happened after that scene, it only served on the purpose that Sakura may love Naruto afterwards because that scene didnt lead to anything or contributed to her development it was just a hint.

She realized nothing on that scene, it was quickly discarded, and never bought up again neither on her confession, i belive NS only get serious when Sai told her about her feelings, she never crossed her mind a romance with Naruto because she wasnt confronted into it until Sai shows up and after that is that we got a development.

She first decided to be his girlfriend without loving him because she wanted to return the things he did to her and she believed she was an horrible person to his like Sasuke or worse.

 

It fails and she decides to kill Saske-kun, and she got the confrontation she wanted, he didnt cared about her anymore, and he was evil to a point he was going to kill her without hesitation, she goes to kill him but fails and when she was about to die, Naruto saves her life, in the end she end up "lifiting" his burden about the promise, which makes her feel happy when they came back she's more tender with him, and blah blah blah.

 

Sidenote : She chose to confess because telling the truth would hurt Naruto, and she didnt wanted that(Naruto fainted again).

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 20 September 2013 - 12:01 AM.

[Hanabi]

It already has ... and it has hit them hard , but they deny that . Here -> http://uchiha-red.tu...n-from-sasusaku

Last time a NH fan ass pulled so much SS arguments, because he ran out of NH moments , so he said something of the lines .. '' Due to Tóbirama's explanations about the Sharingann Saasuke will eventually love Sakura''.. Hmm.. Nope.

i'm glad i read that really this smile is the biggest proof already. who ever imagine that part I sasuke would have a soft smile like this.

[Darkness]

i'm glad i read that really this smile is the biggest proof already. who ever imagine that part I sasuke would have a soft smile like this.

 

Such a calm smile remembers me the ones Sakura only gives to Naruto. Coincidence?

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

Such a calm smile remembers me the ones Sakura only gives to Naruto. Coincidence?

Passa é longe, nada a ver.

[Darkness]

Passa é longe, nada a ver.

 

Não sou de incentivar SasuKarin, mas eu achei bem semelhante. Se isso significa algo, aí já está livre a suposições.

 

[Hanabi]

 

Such a calm smile remembers me the ones Sakura only gives to Naruto. Coincidence?

i think not !

plus sakura's special smiles  are all similar the three times she's gone dere at him (like the one u provided above, only the first time is when she thanked him for the ino chunnin fight)

Edited by Hanabi, 20 September 2013 - 01:39 AM.

[Superman333]

Nothing happened after that scene, it only served on the purpose that Sakura may love Naruto afterwards because that scene didnt lead to anything or contributed to her development it was just a hint.

She realized nothing on that scene, it was quickly discarded, and never bought up again neither on her confession, i belive NS only get serious when Sai told her about her feelings, she never crossed her mind a romance with Naruto because she wasnt confronted into it until Sai shows up and after that is that we got a development.

She first decided to be his girlfriend without loving him because she wanted to return the things he did to her and she believed she was an horrible person to his like Sasuke or worse.

 

It fails and she decides to kill Saske-kun, and she got the confrontation she wanted, he didnt cared about her anymore, and he was evil to a point he was going to kill her without hesitation, she goes to kill him but fails and when she was about to die, Naruto saves her life, in the end she end up "lifiting" his burden about the promise, which makes her feel happy when they came back she's more tender with him, and blah blah blah.

 

Sidenote : She chose to confess because telling the truth would hurt Naruto, and she didnt wanted that(Naruto fainted again).

I'm talking about the fact of impulse. Both those scenes showed what happened when she let her emotions get the best of her. In both these scenes she could have died. In both these scenes she risked her life. Both these scenes showed her emotions that tipped out of her because she couldn't stand the fact of losing Naruto. Both these scenes showed her love that just happened to show its face in my opinion. I

 

Who said anything about it being brought up during the confession. I explained it above they both displayed impulse, it displayed what would happen when her feelings comes to the top of the pot for Naruto and each scene that displayed this was stronger than the last one.  also, her eyes was widened and her mouth was opened up wide like she was realizing what Yamato was saying, thats what i took from that scene. Yes it also showed the potential love but I don't think Kishi would put that there for potential it showed me that her love for Naruto it hidden inside of her and it is forced out when the time is right, she just hasn't realized it.  She listened to his words for two panels straight and I believe that she gathered something from that her feelings was touched upon in both scenes from what i saw.  I mean I considered her flirting with him, her holding her heart smiling at him,  blushing, her acknowledging that he is more grown up, I considered that as her seeing him in a whole different light right then and there and if Naruto wouldn't have f**cked that up who knows what would have happened? She saw him differently even when he came back from training,until he ruined it himself by acting like a child, in 245 imo she saw him differently, she saw him romantically but hey thats just me. 

 

Now thats another thing I have a problem with, it doesn't make make sense to me. Why would she want to kill Sasuke the man "she loves romantically" for Naruto if she didn't have feelings for Naruto? It makes no sense, nobody would kill the one they love for a friend unless your heart intervenes and makes you do so, which leads me to believe that her heart took over, her heart took over in 297 , it took over in the confession scene. It showe d me she would rather lose Sasuke than Naruto.  She wants Naruto's happiness but I don't believe she would lie just to do it. I don't believe Sakura-Chan wants Sasuke back romantically, but just for team 7 and for Naruto. 

 

Yes it failed, she went after him and then the lingering feelings was brought up. But then something caught my attention again, I don't believe she wants him back romantically as I stated above , and the reason she couldn't kill sasuke was because of the lingering feelings for him and the old Sasuke she remembered but could it have been possible that she couldn't have killed him because of Naruto as well, because when she said Naruto I'm sorry back in chapter 470 before she left do you think that caught up to her because she realized that Naruto wanted Sasuke back for himself as well? I mean she knows how Naruto feels about Sasuke being his brother and all, Its speculation but thats what I think. Wouldn't Naruto's brother dying by the girl he loves hurt him alot, wouldn't it make him sad that Sakura-Chan did this? Even if it was for a great reason, wouldn't it still devastate him? She wants his happiness but couldn't that have came into her head as well that it wouldn't have made Naruto happy that Sasuke is dead?  And wasn't she more gentle and tender to Naruto even before this whole incident?  As Sai stated back in the forest when Sakura-Chan said she was going to take Sai to the sky when they was talking about Naruto and Sasuke being brothers? 

 

I know she didn't want to hurt him and the truth would have hurt him .   but I can't agree with the fact that she lied, she just wasn't sure, because to me previous chapters shows me that she is falling slowly for Naruto, it showed constantly, you don't put someone else's happiness first if you don't love them like that, you kill the one you love for one you don't love it makes no sense to me. Sakura-Chan has shown constant signs that she loves him, she has looked at him romatic wise before imo in 245 but thats my opinion. 

 

Her not feeling worthy of Naruto's love but yet feeling worthy of Sasuke love, like I said, it only proves my point. 

 

but lets just squash this whole argument now because we are just going to keep going back and forth . And I want to save my argument energy for the next NH or SS fan that tries to get out line lols . Not with a fellow NS fan . 

Edited by Superman333, 20 September 2013 - 02:36 AM.

[deviouslyChaotic]

 

No if he is still alive it will only tire her out, Chiyo used it on Sakura and Chiyo didn't die because  Sakura was still alive. Yeah I feel like if she were to die it would crush alot of characters.

Oh, ok! Thanks for clarifying that for me, for my memory was a little foggy concerning the risks that came with that technique.