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[Weltall]

Well that's what I said.

[rocci]

Poor Sasuke is not responsible for backstabing everyone and their grandmothers even people who supported him .  Tough compared to Obito Sasuke is an example of sanity, moral of the story whatever happens never let Rin die or an Uchiha lose someone close to him otherwise you open the gates of hell that's the only point I have learned ; Kishi's pseudo philosophical message is a joke at best, lot of good ideas terrible execution but I guess it's not an easy task to write a weekly manga in the end you end up contradicting yourself very often. Whatever moral message Kishi is trying to convey it has been lost a long time ago I have stopped trying to make sense of it. Just go with the flow is my new motto when it comes to Naruto.

 

well i always think that naruto is the truly spiritual successor of dragon ball.

dragon ball awesome until frezza arc. naruto part 1 and early part2 is gold,

 

i agree with the bold, because that will make me enjoy more from naruto, because i belive kishi didn't have that kind of talent.

he can make a grand desing for world, the rule, and power. but he didn't execute it with good. it always feel half heart,

 

 

oh btw do you think we will get another the parafest, after minakushi maybe we will get obirin and hashimito.

[Weltall]

well i always think that naruto is the truly spiritual successor of dragon ball.
dragon ball awesome until frezza arc. naruto part 1 and early part2 is gold,
 
i agree with the bold, because that will make me enjoy more from naruto, because i belive kishi didn't have that kind of talent.
he can make a grand desing for world, the rule, and power. but he didn't execute it with good. it always feel half heart,
 
 
oh btw do you think we will get another the parafest, after minakushi maybe we will get obirin and hashimito.

The big difference between part 1 and part 2 is that in part 1 it's the characters who drives the plot whereas in part 2 the plot drives the characters besides I don't think Kishi intented for the manga to last this long but victim of his success he had to find ways to extend it and by extension he had to extend the drama at the cost of common sense and logic.

To answer your question altough I can't say it with 100% certainty I don’t see a direct parallel to ObiRin but rather a parallel between team 7 and team Minato. I don’t see any parallel with HashiMito, Mito is a nobody and has no character development a parallel would make no sense until she gets it. But it doesn't matter anyway since the Kushina parallel to Sakura has been confirmed (and the sannin parallel), from a writer's perspective it would be illogical to bring a hint made more than 100 chapters to confirm it and to not follow trough with it. It was clear foreshadowing that Naruto and Sakura will end up in a romantic relation. Instead of bringing an other parallel it would be more than time to work on the end pairing so it can happen in a convincing way.

[ramenanmitsu]

No more parallels please Kishi   

[T XD]

No more parallels please Kishi   

The parallels are far to be finished XD

[Dragunov]

Here's a question: how many more characters will die by the end of the war? Maybe some more Konoha 11? 

 

I swear, Kishi should kill off at least two more. Make the war less boring and the plot more interesting.

[T XD]

Here's a question: how many more characters will die by the end of the war? Maybe some more Konoha 11? 

 

I swear, Kishi should kill off at least two more. Make the war less boring and the plot more interesting.

I don't think he'll kill more from K11. Neji was the guy for the kill from them. But, maybe another character could die.

[ramenanmitsu]

I have a hard time believing another character would die. With an exception of Neji, many characters have been in a near death situation only to rise again. At this point, I think that any characters that have serious injuries are going to bounce back or get revived. It's really hard to take deaths seriously in Kishi's manga.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

She made this choice a long time ago.

She didnt made any choice, she was forced to make a choice before, the difference is that the others opened her eyes, by Sai telling her that Sasuke has gone too far and Naruto loves her, like the cover suggests, everyone was changing including Naruto and Sakura fell behind.

She was like Ino struck with the same mindset until Sasuke tried to kill her, that's why on 634 when she shows that she distrust Sasuke she looked at Sasuke's back with indifference.

[Otaru]

She didnt made any choice, she was forced to make a choice before, the difference is that the others opened her eyes, by Sai telling her that Sasuke has gone too far and Naruto loves her, like the cover suggests, everyone was changing including Naruto and Sakura fell behind.

She was like Ino struck with the same mindset until Sasuke tried to kill her, that's why on 634 when she shows that she distrust Sasuke she looked at Sasuke's back with indifference.

 

I was talking about the choice to go against Sasuke because his choices are not like Naruto's.

Not to choice Naruto romantically.

To me, she made that choice a long time ago, when she decided to go and kill Sasuke.

She knows Sasuke's choices are negatives and dark. She knows it's not the path to follow. She's following Naruto's path.

[Gravenimage]

No more parallels please Kishi   

 

That's like saying Naruto doesn't love Sakura lol. 

Edited by Gravenimage, 23 June 2013 - 11:20 AM.

[ramenanmitsu]

 

That's like saying Naruto doesn't love Sakura lol. 

If Kishi's consistency to keep the parallels are on par with Naruto's feelings for Sakura, there is absolutely no hope he will stop the parallels. Thank you, now I can prepare myself in case more will come.

Edited by ramenanmitsu, 23 June 2013 - 11:30 AM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I was talking about the choice to go against Sasuke because his choices are not like Naruto's.

Not to choice Naruto romantically.

To me, she made that choice a long time ago, when she decided to go and kill Sasuke.

She knows Sasuke's choices are negatives and dark. She knows it's not the path to follow. She's following Naruto's path.

This is not a choice but more her duty, it's her duty to protect the village and her friends.

"Go against" the only choice she made was to make Naruto hate her and kill Sasuke, there was no necessity for her to kill Sasuke alone but she wanted to do that for Naruto's sake and this is a choice has nothing to do with what she probably will do now.

 

It doesnt make sense because there's no choice to make, Sasuke tried to kill her, didnt apologized and has some dark plan on the sleeve it's her duty to protect her friends so due to her moral qualms and respect she has to do what she can to stop that.

 

I srsly dont get what you guys are trying to say because it doesnt make senses, there's no choices for her to make romantically speaking off or not.

She has no choices it's out of her reach and even if Sasuke does something bad again obviously she will oppose to that due to her moral qualms, i srsly dont get it.

Edited by Dαrkrєrsŧ, 23 June 2013 - 11:33 AM.

[Dkey]

This is not a choice but more her duty, it's her duty to protect the village and her friends.

"Go against" the only choice she made was to make Naruto hate her and kill Sasuke, there was no necessity for her to kill Sasuke alone but she wanted to do that for Naruto's sake and this is a choice has nothing to do with what she probably will do now.

 

It doesnt make sense because there's no choice to make, Sasuke tried to kill her, didnt apologized and has some dark plan on the sleeve it's her duty to protect her friends so due to her moral qualms and respect she has to do what she can to stop that.

 

I srsly dont get what you guys are trying to say because it doesnt make senses, there's no choices for her to make romantically speaking off or not.

She has no choices it's out of her reach and even if Sasuke does something bad again obviously she will oppose to that due to her moral qualms, i srsly dont get it.

 

Then maybe the question isn't about choice but about her strength to help Naruto with Sasuke. She couldn't in the Kage summit arc, she can now.

[Otaru]

This is not a choice but more her duty, it's her duty to protect the village and her friends.

"Go against" the only choice she made was to make Naruto hate her and kill Sasuke, there was no necessity for her to kill Sasuke alone but she wanted to do that for Naruto's sake and this is a choice has nothing to do with what she probably will do now.

 

It doesnt make sense because there's no choice to make, Sasuke tried to kill her, didnt apologized and has some dark plan on the sleeve it's her duty to protect her friends so due to her moral qualms and respect she has to do what she can to stop that.

 

I see... I agree that it may be more her duty than a choice, but there is still a "choice dimension" in her impulsion to go kill Sasuke.

She even talked about "mistakes". She said she didn't want to make mistakes anymore. So to me, she decided to go.

It's not just that she followed her duty.

 

I think she didn't choose to make Naruto hate her. She took the risk.

To me what she choose was taking care of Sasuke's case, even if it would cost her Naruto's respect and trust.

I think she did like that because she doesn't care about herself. She never care about herself. She's so selfless.

And i still don't understand the explanation Sai (Kishimoto) gave : that she was doing that because it was so hard on herself to let Sasuke go further into darkness and that she loves him so much that she wanted to end this herself. It's obvious she made that choice because of what Sai said to her before, that Naruto loves her. I really don't understand Kishomoto's explanation...

Edited by Otaru, 23 June 2013 - 12:51 PM.

[Sakamaki Izayoi]

 

I see... I agree that it may be more her duty than a choice, but there is still a "choice dimension" in her impulsion to go kill Sasuke.

She even talked about "mistakes". She said she didn't want to make mistakes anymore. So to me, she decided to go.

It's not just that she followed her duty.

 

I think she didn't choose to make Naruto hate her. She took the risk.

To me what she choose was taking care of Sasuke's case, even if it would cost her Naruto's respect and trust.

I think she did like that because she doesn't care about herself. She never care about herself. She's so selfless.

And i still don't understand the explanation Sai (Kishimoto) gave : that she was doing that because it was so hard on herself to let Sasuke go further into darkness and that she loves him so much that she wanted to end this herself. It's obvious she made that choice because of what Sai said to her before, that Naruto loves her. I really don't understand Kishomoto's explanation...

It's kinda difficult that scene but she was under emotional pressure, first she thought she was giving pain to Naruto to bring back someome that she loves because of his love for her, then she decided return Naruto's feelings and put him away from danger and if it fails she will take care of it by herself even if it means that he will hate her afterwards but it all seemed that she didnt planned it, her confession get everyone so sudden and off-guard that no one knew about it, not even Sai, he understood Sakura's confession different than the others and Naruto, but also she didnt planned that confession, she did the same thing as on last chapter, hide from everyone her true intentions when everyone including Sai thought she was going to tell Naruto about the k11 resolution about Sasukemo.

 

Then it fails because she lie about not caring for Sasuke anymore, then afterwards she hide from everyone that she wanted to deal with Sasuke alone, but Sai knew that she might had that plan on mind but it was too late and she already take action, Sakura also didnt had a plan on dealing with Sasuke, she went to kill Sasuke but didnt had a plan to do it which even Kakashi states that she was marching to her own death which she herself states that she knew she would not be capable of killing him.

Sakura was under emotional pressure and after all that it needed a conversation between Naruto and Sakura after all that mess because it was needed to clarify that she didnt needed to do that and probably Naruto talking about his feelings for her because obviously she knows about this now but Kishi avoided that for the sake of pairing drama.

[T XD]

I think we'll know more about Sakura's thoughts on Sasuke in the upcoming chapters cause now, all we know is that she doesn't trust him and she's not happy about what's going on with Sasuke. But, do we know if she's planning on something ? If she'll confront him maybe ?

 

It seems that there's still something awaiting for Sakura in this battle.

Edited by T XD, 23 June 2013 - 04:21 PM.

[TouKen4Life3g]

I think we'll know more about Sakura's thoughts on Sasuke in the upcoming chapters cause now, all we know is that she doesn't trust him and she's not happy about what's going on with Sasuke. But, do we know if she's planning on something ? If she'll confront him maybe ?
 
It seems that there's still something awaiting for Sakura in this battle.

Something is going to happen and the volume is almost over. I can see Kishi starting to plot everything together before going to next volume.

[Otaru]

I just want Sakura to go back to battle

[TouKen4Life3g]

I just want Sakura to go back to battle

Let's just hope what she's going through leads to the battlefield. Not sure how but it can very well happen.