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#521 Inferno180

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:13 AM

Just the deal with Hinata, it really has left some people puzzled depsite this internal moment, we really don't know what kishi is intending with her despite these recent events. All i personally think of for Hinata now, the Narutopedia entry sort of gave a good description, she will try to move forward in her goals. This was explaining how due to Neji's instruction and Naruto's determination she was able to complete 64 palms, basically just an internal confidence boost. As much as NH fans may have overracted, nothing changed what 631 put forward with the parallel. I seriously cannot know what Hinata is actually intending at this point, mainly what is kishi trying to present? We know Hinata is focused on Naruto, but i am just glad that the one every hater said would fangirl, is not. Sakura is been mature around Naruto with Sasuke back and has not focused only on him, heck 632 proved she was focused on herself and both of them, but she is still been focused more on Naruto given what happened in 630 and 631.

 

I just feel that Hinata's moment in this chapter though, it really felt like filler, kishi really could have just put stuff other than Naruto in her head for once, I mean she improved an ability neji mastered since before part 1 began basically.... and they are praising her as better than Sakura now? Despite what Sakura just unleashed? :wot:

 

To me its unclear the resolve with what Hinata is right now, I mean we know what can come forward with Naruto and Sakura, but Naruto and Hinata, there is still just the deal with the confession and the deal with the 615 events, they still go unaddressed by naruto. To many of us now, 615 is looking more and more like comrade stuff and confidence for Hinata. We know she can stand by naruto as just a comrade and be acknowledged by him, but as far as romance goes, NH is a big mess. The ten tails is almost at high levels and then the fight for hokage comes a little later, what time to build romance for NH actually remains? Hinata is still missing out on factors with Sasuke and knowing the ordeals of team 7 for that matter. Heck she had to be within ear range to hear Naruto say the girlfriend comment, unless she was too busy with the others looking ahead. This is what is puzzling people, shouldn't Hinata be thinking of something else then, at least getting a clue that Naruto has feelings for someone else? Maybe if this crossed her mind, she can get more pull but she was thinking on her own again. :pinch:

 

I find Hinata a decent character, but at this point, its getting hard to even see a foundation for NH, is kishi really limiting Hinata to a fodder pairing now? Considering NS has the parallel set up, what is there on NH? Is it love? Does Hinata only love what Naruto does and stands for? Or is it comrade/friendship? Its like the initial meaning of 615 has changed rapidly which is making it hard to follow, many thought it was romance but Naruto never continued from it yet and goes making the girlfriend comment. He still practically shows he loves Sakura, now minato came along and invoked the kushina parallel. 615 we thought was sacrifice and willpower but then this starts and now its looking like encouragement and determination? :confused:

 

My issue is that its hard at this point to see what Hinata is doing, since 616-617, we saw Hinata acting more aggressive against the enemy, this was fine to follow. Then we get her forming a defense line to protect Naruto and Sakura as she heals him, then she goes to this and rather than acting bold goes back to fangirling, again. Is anyone else like me starting to feel lost to when we see Hinata? I mean this time we are in focus mainly on team 7, if this whole chapter just goes unaddressed then it would have been a filler chapter to show that everyone else still exists aside from team 7. I mean we got a back-to-back deal with team 7 last week, we were expecting a grand display of their teamwork, we get this stuff instead, now we get their summonings which will hopefully put them back in. Whatever Kishi intends to do with Hinata though, its clear NH has more issues now with no direct foundation like NS and her actions are just starting to make more confusion. Its going to be harder to see NH now aside from the lack of development compared to NS, the Sakura-Kushina event, and Hinata's general limited screentime and well static focus on Naruto, she had the potential these past few chapters only to Naruto-kun her way back again. I feel like what Slextrem said in her 615 video, 1 step forward 2 steps back occurred here with Hinata again. I mean she may only have Naruto to associate with in terms of story importance, but Hinata deserves more then just being reduced to pairing fodder, we just hoped she would at least gain confidence and display some degree of boldness in front of the army, she did for a short time then we got this. Whatever Hinata is moving forwards too, be it Naruto or her abilities improvement, kishi needs to give us clarity.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:24 AM

 

I was looking for a nice way to say kittens and ass but .... :ermm:

 

Super off topic anyway lol <3

 

Model type bodies of the good kind also include those. Sorry for the miscommunication. :lol:

 

And trust me, on the "going off on a tangent" scale this was a very minor one.

 

Going back on topic I'm still very much happy to have seen the little animal summons from that old cover now make a proper debut as giant battle ready companions for Team 7. They went from hanging onto the bodies of Team 7 since they were so little to now letting them stand on their heads thanks to growing so big.



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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:24 AM

Whatever Hinata is moving forwards too, be it Naruto or her abilities improvement, kishi needs to give us clarity.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling that this won't be clarified until near the end of the manga. Kishimoto-sensei is going to milk the shipping cow long dry.

 

At the moment, I feel like Hinata's true goals could swing in either direction. She could still be fixated on gaining Naruto's love and recognition, or she could be referencing her ultimate duties as Hyuuga Clan leader, and by "one step at a time" she means slowly gaining the confidence and strength (through Naruto) to do so. Her flashbacks with the handholding could support either one of these.

 

Regarding the next chapter, Kishimoto-sensei is either going to troll big time and switch to Kakashi and Obito/Orochimaru or he'll stick with Team 7. If he stays with the latter, I think the bulk of the chapter will be Naruto's/everyone's reactions to the summonings, Sakura's in particular. We'll also get clarification on both her slug's and Sasuke's snake's identities. After this I could see Team 7 demonstrating their power on the Juubi and closing with an inspirational speech from Naruto. I really can't make any predictions on what will happen with the other options.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:28 AM

I was thinking next chapter would be good or dangerous for the NS I say this if only Kishi decides put something about the pairings and all depends on a toad.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:30 AM

Same old same old from what I'm reading outside of this forum... I guess it's cheap that Sakura's getting these power-ups, but Naruto and Sasuke are allowed to do what they do scott-free 


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:31 AM

^ Don't forget that Hinata had an AMAZING moment when she thought about "N-N-Naruto-kun's big hands" and did the move her cousin mastered during the Chunin Exams!  :th_yeah: haha



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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:33 AM

Unfortunately, I have a feeling that this won't be clarified until near the end of the manga. Kishimoto-sensei is going to milk the shipping cow long dry.

 

At the moment, I feel like Hinata's true goals could swing in either direction. She could still be fixated on gaining Naruto's love and recognition, or she could be referencing her ultimate duties as Hyuuga Clan leader, and by "one step at a time" she means slowly gaining the confidence and strength (through Naruto) to do so. Her flashbacks with the handholding could support either one of these.

 

Regarding the next chapter, Kishimoto-sensei is either going to troll big time and switch to Kakashi and Obito/Orochimaru or he'll stick with Team 7. If he stays with the latter, I think the bulk of the chapter will be Naruto's/everyone's reactions to the summonings, Sakura's in particular. We'll also get clarification on both her slug's and Sasuke's snake's identities. After this I could see Team 7 demonstrating their power on the Juubi and closing with an inspirational speech from Naruto. I really can't make any predictions on what will happen with the other options.

 

Its just again, if hinata moves romantically towards Naruto, then why the issue with the Sakura-Kushina parallel, he basically built on Kushinas "find a girl like me" foreshadow event for a reason, just to now say it would be worthless or re attribute it towards Hinata, this just makes things crazier to follow.. I can understand moving towards her abilities forward to lead the clan though, that is understandable, but its just too hard to see what Hinata is actually going to do. I mean nothing has done anything to 631 yet, its still the biggest factor here. Plus just the story setting right now, what room for actual NH romance remains? The longer the story goes on without doing anything for them, the harder it gets for NH to actually develop.



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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:34 AM

theres really only one piece of development for Hinata that's left.

 

the ability to do what Naruto did for Sakura in part 1. Basically the ability to set aside her feelings for Narutos happiness. Can she say to Naruto "Yyou really like Sakura don't you? I can tell"

 

if she can do that sjhe takes the best step forward as a character and loses any selfishness as she displays the ultimate in selflessness.

 

if she cant then she remains the same flat 2d character she aloways has been


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:36 AM

theres really only one piece of development for Hinata that's left.

 

the ability to do what Naruto did for Sakura in part 1. Basically the ability to set aside her feelings for Narutos happiness. Can she say to Naruto "Yyou really like Sakura don't you? I can tell"

 

if she can do that sjhe takes the best step forward as a character and loses any selfishness as she displays the ultimate in selflessness.

 

if she cant then she remains the same flat 2d character she aloways has been

 

Least Sakura can end the series at this point by proving she isn't going all Sasuke-kun this and that, least Sakura has broken out of the fangirl zone and is highly understanding and supportive of Naruto. :wink:



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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:37 AM

I was thinking next chapter would be good or dangerous for the NS I say this if only Kishi decides put something about the pairings and all depends on a toad.

 

Yeah I really don't think so.

At the end of the day Sakura and Naruto are on the front lines and taking care of the entire allianc and she's in the back somewhere 64 palming 1 juubi clone thinking about "Naruto's big hand".

Unless she decides to throw herself in front the Juubi and fodderize herself a THIRD time. In which case....really? REALLY?

To be honest, unless Kishi includes more highlights of the other Konoha 11 her presence feels really out of place.

 

I want to see more jutsu explanation personally. Everyone other main character has gotten a Talk no Jutsu except Sakura about their abilities. :wallbash:


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:42 AM

@Kns:

QFT, i agree it's not her false, but the fan who think and rate so highly for her and make her more than what she should not be,

a heroine.

sorry hinata i know you are cute, shy, and has big boob in love with naruto, but unfortunately you are not the heroine and naruto don't love you.



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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:49 AM

theres really only one piece of development for Hinata that's left.
 
the ability to do what Naruto did for Sakura in part 1. Basically the ability to set aside her feelings for Narutos happiness. Can she say to Naruto "Yyou really like Sakura don't you? I can tell"
 
if she can do that sjhe takes the best step forward as a character and loses any selfishness as she displays the ultimate in selflessness.
 
if she cant then she remains the same flat 2d character she aloways has been

This is perfect I always found her character to be somewhat selfish towards her love compared to naruto. I think Hinata's closure will be realizing what naruto wants and wishing him to be happy whether its with her or if it's with sakura. We already know how naruto feels about sakura so we know what will happen then but It will be a great closure for hinata to reach that level of selflessness to let naruto be happy.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:59 AM

 

 

Its just again, if hinata moves romantically towards Naruto, then why the issue with the Sakura-Kushina parallel, he basically built on Kushinas "find a girl like me" foreshadow event for a reason, just to now say it would be worthless or re attribute it towards Hinata, this just makes things crazier to follow.. I can understand moving towards her abilities forward to lead the clan though, that is understandable, but its just too hard to see what Hinata is actually going to do. I mean nothing has done anything to 631 yet, its still the biggest factor here. Plus just the story setting right now, what room for actual NH romance remains? The longer the story goes on without doing anything for them, the harder it gets for NH to actually develop.

Bold 1: I don't think this will happen. Someone like Sawyer7mage said that Minato should come back and say "JK find someone like me" and all the anti-NaruSaku fans jumped on board. Kushina said "Find someone like your mother", Minato said "This girl is eerily similar to Kushina". Minato knows his son's personality, yet he still asked if Sakura was his girlfriend and made the parallel. Plus, isn't Kishimoto-sensei supposed to be big on parallels? The Sakura --> Kushina will stay, IMO.

 

Bold 2: However; although this somewhat contradicts what I just said, I think Hinata still has a chance with Naruto if that is still her goal. She has plenty of opportunities in the upcoming fights to show her stuff and make Naruto realize his "feelings" for her. Is it possible she'll make it past the Sakura/Kushina and Jiraiya/Tsunade parallels? Sure. But is it probable? Hard to say.

 

 

theres really only one piece of development for Hinata that's left.

the ability to do what Naruto did for Sakura in part 1. Basically the ability to set aside her feelings for Narutos happiness. Can she say to Naruto "Yyou really like Sakura don't you? I can tell"

The NaruHina fandom would be an absolute wreck if this happened. And to be honest, I don't think I'd like it either, although I support NaruSaku. I just feel like, if Hinata is still after Naruto romantically, all her development and moments would just be such.... wastes.  :ermm: Gah, I'm so torn here!

 

 

 

I want to see more jutsu explanation personally. Everyone other main character has gotten a Talk no Jutsu except Sakura about their abilities.

I think this will happen in the next chapter. Everyone will be so amazed/shocked that she can summon; an explanation would have to be given, even if it's just a sentence or two.



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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:02 AM

This chapter was alright for me. Didn't really care for the rookies, but I'm a Team 7 fan so...yeah I'm biased. ┐( ̄ヮ ̄)┌

​But the summoning jutsu at the end! ASDFGHJKL; I loved it! I'm so proud of my Team 7 babies! \(*T▽T*)/ 

 

Least Sakura can end the series at this point by proving she isn't going all Sasuke-kun this and that, least Sakura has broken out of the fangirl zone and is highly understanding and supportive of Naruto. :wink:

 

Reminds me about something I don't understand about this fandom, whenever Sakura "fangirls" over Sasuke its bad, but when Hinata fangirls over Naruto it's the most adorable thing ever. ಠ_ಠ WUT. Double standards much? 

 

 

 

This is perfect I always found her character to be somewhat selfish towards her love compared to naruto. I think Hinata's closure will be realizing what naruto wants and wishing him to be happy whether its with her or if it's with sakura. We already know how naruto feels about sakura so we know what will happen then but It will be a great closure for hinata to reach that level of selflessness to let naruto be happy.

 

Exactly. Once Hinata finds out that Naruto loves Sakura she'll move on. After all, they say if you truly love someone you have to let them go.  


 
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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:08 AM

That's sad if people are really hoping for change of heart for Naruto, I'll say one last time here since I noticed this place is not as loud as past 3 chapters and I don't really need to stay long:

Just. Let. It. Go.

Kishi is probably thinking "Where the hell I said love here?" or "Oh God, what have I done this time?" or "Oh come on. That Kizuna author knows well about this not being love, so why others can't see it" or...you know what. I'm done. I keep saying, "Stop debating" but now, I'm officially done. No, I'll use podcast. I should start with "You know what grinds my gear..." Sigh. I'm tired...

For the record, it's not on you guys.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:23 AM

@That Uchiha

Funny that you mention that "After all, they say if you truly love someone you have to let them go." because Naruto has/willing to do this to Sakura. He is willing to sacrifice his own happiness by letting her chose who she wants to be with. If she wants to be with Sasuke, then Naruto would be willing to let it happen ( he probably wouldn't be fine with knowing Sasuke's track record). If Naruro can do this, then why wouldnt Hinata. It would be her final development.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:25 AM

I think this will happen in the next chapter. Everyone will be so amazed/shocked that she can summon; an explanation would have to be given, even if it's just a sentence or two.

 

I'd think Naruto of all people should be like "Sakura-chan!! WTH SPLAIN PLS" :confused:

I dunno maybe he could "sense" it in her or some crap idk...


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:34 AM

This chapter got me thinking, would Sakura's slug tell her what happened with Tsunade? Maybe they know, but they don't want to distract her from her fight?


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:35 AM

well i watched sawyer's review and man did he bash on sai poor guy he bashed on sakura only alittle bit and the stuff he said about hinata made my eyes roll although i did crack a smile when he mentioned about hinata beating naruto up which tells me that deep down he's really pissed about minato comparing sakura to kushina


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:44 AM

well i watched sawyer's review and man did he bash on sai poor guy he bashed on sakura only alittle bit and the stuff he said about hinata made my eyes roll although i did crack a smile when he mentioned about hinata beating naruto up which tells me that deep down he's really pissed about minato comparing sakura to kushina

Was he? I don't watch it. Anyway, can you blame him, as a fan? I mean it's funny that just recently I just saw a show (rather not say since I was bored) that the parents return and their sons were happy. The girl, who loves one of the son, ask them if their son talks about her or see anything approval of her. The response is "no." Once she got the answer, she pretty much rebelled with the other protesters. Don't ask, the point is approval from a parent is a big deal.

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