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[Narufan85]

The NGE comparison was spot on.

[dragonflyx11]

"more than, and I think this is the last I’ll post on this subject until at least the movie or the “new project” if ever, anything that has bothered me the more this goes on has been the reactions and perspectives of so many of us supposed narusaku shippers and naruto fans in general. 

How quickly and easily, after all the history of the manga, all the story and character, all the logical arguments, deductions, themes, parallels, motifs, etc., the history and written for all to see track record of Kishimoto and his manga, so many of you are able to throw all logic and reason out the window and attack the writer and story without at least considering what many of you are ironically citing what makes these last two chapters so strange and out of place. 

How can you all acknowledge that it doesn’t fit his established narrative, writing style, the themes, plots, and ideas behind the story, and his track record for handling his work up until this point and NOT think that he’s simply setting up for something big in the future? How can we all acknowledge the databooks which he himself has written, his previous official (and some unofficial) intents and plans for his story and his characters and see that he hasn’t fulfilled them and immediately attack his integrity as an artist, writer and storyteller as well as attack him as a person, as opposed to even considering that he has more up his sleeves than he’s letting on?

I mean sure, maybe I’m just convinced or deluding myself that this whole thing is some human intrusmentality-type fantasy deal. But again, for a writer who’s demonstrated so much over the life of a 15 year story that he’s created, how are so many of you going this far out of your mind over these two strange chapters that supposedly “end” the story in a way that reflects none of the writers work up until this point?

I’ve already said it, so I won’t go into it entirely again, but I believe in the writer who’s spent 15 years crafting a very special story and very special relationships, themes, motifs, and symbolism amongst his characters. I don’t believe for one minute that any writer - any artist - could or seriously would, no matter how seemingly tired of their present work or projects, throw all logic and all the effort and talent and passion they’ve put into what they’ve done out just to get rid of it and move on in a manner that destroys everything they’ve done so far.

And I’m not only confused, disappointed, and disturbed with which the ease so much of this fandom has turned on the story and the writer before seeing the ultimate conclusion of what he has planned, but I’m also beginning to become disgusted. Especially considering that this fandom will give more respect, benefit of the doubt, legitimacy and passion in defence of the designs of it’s fanfiction and fanfic writers than you are to the actual writer of the source material that clearly isn’t finished - and you aren’t even doing the courtesy of waiting to see.

Now granted, certain factions of the fandom have not been helpful (namely the ones I haven’t bothered to tag as they’ve been unable to be reasoned with from the beginning so they sure as hell aren’t worth the effort now) but for crying out loud. 

To read how so many of you can pick apart the things that seem to be blatantly and obviously pointing to the fact that this thing isn’t over - and I’ll go as far as saying some sort of illusionary plot device - setting up a future pay-off and doesn’t reflect the quality and integrity of Masashi Kishimoto’s work so far and instead of thinking ahead to what that pay-off might actually be are more content, if not down right ecstatic, to abuse, attack and demean the author and his work; that you would not even try to give him the benefit of the doubt and exercise even some of the logic and reasoning power displayed in defence of the work before now, is frankly far more abhorrent and disgraceful than anything Kishimoto even could have written. 

And I say that beyond even being a fan of the Kishimoto and Naruto, but as an [aspiring] artist, myself. And considering how many of you on tumblr would identify yourselves the same way, you should bloody well know better.

Again, I don’t believe for one second that Masashi Kishimoto is just that bad of a writer, that he’s just that tired and sick of his own creation, or that this is the end he envisions for his project he’s laboured, lived and suffered with for 15 years. 

I don’t know how, when, or what the true conlcusion will look like but I’m going to bet against however many of you that disagree that this isn’t the real ending for the story or Kishimoto’s way of handing it off. And it certainly isn’t the the true resolution of the journey of Naruto Uzumaki and Sakura Haruno - individually and certainly not as far as their relationship together. 

NaruSaku is endgame and I can’t wait to see it, however long it takes. I’m keeping my backpack on and the rest of you… thank you for exemplifying perfectly why I’ve been completely uninterested in engaging the fandom like this."

I could almost agree with this...but then I remember this is trollomoto were talking about..

[unhskikrforever]

Guys, the more I think about it, the stranger it seems. Chapter 700 seems like an omake/a fan-service chapter rather than an actual manga chapter. I mean, like, all we see are pairings and children. There wasn't anything that are actually connected to the story as a whole. Sure, Naruto became the Hokage and I'm happy for him but everything just seems so out of place. And it's really ridiculous how they have to make a movie to explain what happened between the time-skip. For all we know, the rise in the use of technology might be explained in the movie as well.

 

I'm still hoping that there's genjutsu plot in the movie or Kishi just released troll chapters to give us a message about piracy. But it's only a tiny hope.

 

And, one question, isn't one of the two, Naruto and Sasuke, suppose to die? How did they stop the cycle of hatred? Someone explain, please.

Edited by unhskikrforever, 08 November 2014 - 04:38 AM.

[luffyq1]

The NGE comparison was spot on.

EXACTLY! 

[narusakuotp]

that's the thing, this was never confirmed now that I think about it, all it said was "blank period" here i'll repost my idea:

 

that's not what I'm saying though, think for a second, what if the movie in fact takes place in the time period with all those the last designs, and then that villain toneri goes after hinata, and not only does he capture her but he puts her in a tsukiyomi, and this whole chapter called 700 is the genjutsu?

How will this explain the atrocity of 699 though? It is what led up to 700...

[ultranx]

"more than, and I think this is the last I’ll post on this subject until at least the movie or the “new project” if ever, anything that has bothered me the more this goes on has been the reactions and perspectives of so many of us supposed narusaku shippers and naruto fans in general. 

How quickly and easily, after all the history of the manga, all the story and character, all the logical arguments, deductions, themes, parallels, motifs, etc., the history and written for all to see track record of Kishimoto and his manga, so many of you are able to throw all logic and reason out the window and attack the writer and story without at least considering what many of you are ironically citing what makes these last two chapters so strange and out of place. 

How can you all acknowledge that it doesn’t fit his established narrative, writing style, the themes, plots, and ideas behind the story, and his track record for handling his work up until this point and NOT think that he’s simply setting up for something big in the future? How can we all acknowledge the databooks which he himself has written, his previous official (and some unofficial) intents and plans for his story and his characters and see that he hasn’t fulfilled them and immediately attack his integrity as an artist, writer and storyteller as well as attack him as a person, as opposed to even considering that he has more up his sleeves than he’s letting on?

I mean sure, maybe I’m just convinced or deluding myself that this whole thing is some human intrusmentality-type fantasy deal. But again, for a writer who’s demonstrated so much over the life of a 15 year story that he’s created, how are so many of you going this far out of your mind over these two strange chapters that supposedly “end” the story in a way that reflects none of the writers work up until this point?

I’ve already said it, so I won’t go into it entirely again, but I believe in the writer who’s spent 15 years crafting a very special story and very special relationships, themes, motifs, and symbolism amongst his characters. I don’t believe for one minute that any writer - any artist - could or seriously would, no matter how seemingly tired of their present work or projects, throw all logic and all the effort and talent and passion they’ve put into what they’ve done out just to get rid of it and move on in a manner that destroys everything they’ve done so far.

And I’m not only confused, disappointed, and disturbed with which the ease so much of this fandom has turned on the story and the writer before seeing the ultimate conclusion of what he has planned, but I’m also beginning to become disgusted. Especially considering that this fandom will give more respect, benefit of the doubt, legitimacy and passion in defence of the designs of it’s fanfiction and fanfic writers than you are to the actual writer of the source material that clearly isn’t finished - and you aren’t even doing the courtesy of waiting to see.

Now granted, certain factions of the fandom have not been helpful (namely the ones I haven’t bothered to tag as they’ve been unable to be reasoned with from the beginning so they sure as hell aren’t worth the effort now) but for crying out loud. 

To read how so many of you can pick apart the things that seem to be blatantly and obviously pointing to the fact that this thing isn’t over - and I’ll go as far as saying some sort of illusionary plot device - setting up a future pay-off and doesn’t reflect the quality and integrity of Masashi Kishimoto’s work so far and instead of thinking ahead to what that pay-off might actually be are more content, if not down right ecstatic, to abuse, attack and demean the author and his work; that you would not even try to give him the benefit of the doubt and exercise even some of the logic and reasoning power displayed in defence of the work before now, is frankly far more abhorrent and disgraceful than anything Kishimoto even could have written. 

And I say that beyond even being a fan of the Kishimoto and Naruto, but as an [aspiring] artist, myself. And considering how many of you on tumblr would identify yourselves the same way, you should bloody well know better.

Again, I don’t believe for one second that Masashi Kishimoto is just that bad of a writer, that he’s just that tired and sick of his own creation, or that this is the end he envisions for his project he’s laboured, lived and suffered with for 15 years. 

I don’t know how, when, or what the true conlcusion will look like but I’m going to bet against however many of you that disagree that this isn’t the real ending for the story or Kishimoto’s way of handing it off. And it certainly isn’t the the true resolution of the journey of Naruto Uzumaki and Sakura Haruno - individually and certainly not as far as their relationship together. 

NaruSaku is endgame and I can’t wait to see it, however long it takes. I’m keeping my backpack on and the rest of you… thank you for exemplifying perfectly why I’ve been completely uninterested in engaging the fandom like this."

I LOVE THIS POST, I AGREE!!!

[MangaReader]

In all honesty, I lost all hope.

 

LOL.

 

but for those who won't stop believing, I am so happy for you.

 

don't listen to those people who tell you to "let it go."

 

because I understand. It's hard to understand this joke of an ending and how it was possible this how it truly ended.

 

please, stay strong. (:

Lost hope? NaruSaku is already canon... because we can make it if we just believe it is. Like I posted yesterday... I see this reality, but I reject it and substitute my own

Edited by MangaReader, 08 November 2014 - 04:40 AM.

[Aizen-Sama]

"The ending is the most important part of the story...." The saying still haunts me.
Naruto is a Libra in Astrology and I read that the males tend to be indecisive and can make decisions that they'll regret when it comes to love.
Can't wait to start on my NaruSaku Rated M love affair fanfics. <3 Kikitten tearing apart the canon couple only made it more steamy forbidden and sexy.

[MangaReader]

To think a hater came on my fanfic and told me this before this sh*tty ending happened. Hurt my heart just now...

http://gyazo.com/486...0b933ccb4c8b812

Why does it seem like people like that always get rewarded no matter what they do, but people like us attempt it and it backfires hard on us?

Edited by MangaReader, 08 November 2014 - 04:43 AM.

[Raito]

Sigh*

 

You guys are being in denial. Kishi sold out, he messed up.

 

SP will control this movie making BS things. All of a sudden 699 and 700 will become a gen jutsu? Good luck, because you're in for a NH movie.

[TsukiChan ♥]

"more than, and I think this is the last I’ll post on this subject until at least the movie or the “new project” if ever, anything that has bothered me the more this goes on has been the reactions and perspectives of so many of us supposed narusaku shippers and naruto fans in general. 

How quickly and easily, after all the history of the manga, all the story and character, all the logical arguments, deductions, themes, parallels, motifs, etc., the history and written for all to see track record of Kishimoto and his manga, so many of you are able to throw all logic and reason out the window and attack the writer and story without at least considering what many of you are ironically citing what makes these last two chapters so strange and out of place. 

How can you all acknowledge that it doesn’t fit his established narrative, writing style, the themes, plots, and ideas behind the story, and his track record for handling his work up until this point and NOT think that he’s simply setting up for something big in the future? How can we all acknowledge the databooks which he himself has written, his previous official (and some unofficial) intents and plans for his story and his characters and see that he hasn’t fulfilled them and immediately attack his integrity as an artist, writer and storyteller as well as attack him as a person, as opposed to even considering that he has more up his sleeves than he’s letting on?

I mean sure, maybe I’m just convinced or deluding myself that this whole thing is some human intrusmentality-type fantasy deal. But again, for a writer who’s demonstrated so much over the life of a 15 year story that he’s created, how are so many of you going this far out of your mind over these two strange chapters that supposedly “end” the story in a way that reflects none of the writers work up until this point?

I’ve already said it, so I won’t go into it entirely again, but I believe in the writer who’s spent 15 years crafting a very special story and very special relationships, themes, motifs, and symbolism amongst his characters. I don’t believe for one minute that any writer - any artist - could or seriously would, no matter how seemingly tired of their present work or projects, throw all logic and all the effort and talent and passion they’ve put into what they’ve done out just to get rid of it and move on in a manner that destroys everything they’ve done so far.

And I’m not only confused, disappointed, and disturbed with which the ease so much of this fandom has turned on the story and the writer before seeing the ultimate conclusion of what he has planned, but I’m also beginning to become disgusted. Especially considering that this fandom will give more respect, benefit of the doubt, legitimacy and passion in defence of the designs of it’s fanfiction and fanfic writers than you are to the actual writer of the source material that clearly isn’t finished - and you aren’t even doing the courtesy of waiting to see.

Now granted, certain factions of the fandom have not been helpful (namely the ones I haven’t bothered to tag as they’ve been unable to be reasoned with from the beginning so they sure as hell aren’t worth the effort now) but for crying out loud. 

To read how so many of you can pick apart the things that seem to be blatantly and obviously pointing to the fact that this thing isn’t over - and I’ll go as far as saying some sort of illusionary plot device - setting up a future pay-off and doesn’t reflect the quality and integrity of Masashi Kishimoto’s work so far and instead of thinking ahead to what that pay-off might actually be are more content, if not down right ecstatic, to abuse, attack and demean the author and his work; that you would not even try to give him the benefit of the doubt and exercise even some of the logic and reasoning power displayed in defence of the work before now, is frankly far more abhorrent and disgraceful than anything Kishimoto even could have written. 

And I say that beyond even being a fan of the Kishimoto and Naruto, but as an [aspiring] artist, myself. And considering how many of you on tumblr would identify yourselves the same way, you should bloody well know better.

Again, I don’t believe for one second that Masashi Kishimoto is just that bad of a writer, that he’s just that tired and sick of his own creation, or that this is the end he envisions for his project he’s laboured, lived and suffered with for 15 years. 

I don’t know how, when, or what the true conlcusion will look like but I’m going to bet against however many of you that disagree that this isn’t the real ending for the story or Kishimoto’s way of handing it off. And it certainly isn’t the the true resolution of the journey of Naruto Uzumaki and Sakura Haruno - individually and certainly not as far as their relationship together. 

NaruSaku is endgame and I can’t wait to see it, however long it takes. I’m keeping my backpack on and the rest of you… thank you for exemplifying perfectly why I’ve been completely uninterested in engaging the fandom like this."

 

very interesting argument...but...shouldn't it be pretty obvious at this point that The Last is a NaruHina love story? I mean just before 699 and the epilogue, kishimoto told his fans to read the ending first before watching the movie, though not doing so wouldn't matter right?

..even the paired Naruto and Sakura animation sheets don't matter up to this point :/

[Michi]

I wish I could comfort ladyGT.

her too.

 

EVERYONE.

 

Lost hope? NaruSaku is already canon... because we can make it if we just believe it is. Like I posted yesterday... I see this reality, but I reject it and substitute my own

 VERY TRUE.

 
you should share your post as a reminder.
 
btw:

 

LOL

http://ryoshimahara....ge/102064558792

Edited by Michi, 08 November 2014 - 04:47 AM.

[ultranx]

How will this explain the atrocity of 699 though? It is what led up to 700...

well everything up to the forehead moment between sakura and sasuke was spot on, but you're right so idk, it could be closure like I thought but Idk, all I know is I'm not giving up until I know everything, once I know everything and know I'm wrong for sure, then I'll give up.  the only other idea I have is the whole naruto and sasuke fight being an illusion, but idk

Edited by ultranx, 08 November 2014 - 04:49 AM.

[MangaReader]

I was think about this at work today...

 

You know it's sad when this

The Little Engine that could

A child's story book is more true to it's message then a manga that's been going on for 15 years

Edited by MangaReader, 08 November 2014 - 04:48 AM.

[narusakuotp]

well everything up to the forehead moment between sakura and sasuke was spot on, but you're right so idk, it could be closure like I thought but Idk, all I know is I'm not giving up until I know everything, once I know everything and know I'm wrong for sure, then I'll give up. 

Not really. Sasuke was way too interested in apologizing to Sakura, but what about Kakashi? He put him through hell, too. He tried to kill him, too.

[Sakura_Haru]

Oh man The King and The Queen.....http://prntscr.com/545x9h

[SuperSilverStar]

To think a hater came on my fanfic and told me this before this sh*tty ending happened. Hurt my heart just now...

http://gyazo.com/486...0b933ccb4c8b812

Seeing something like that depresses me. I assume your fanfic is categorized Naruto and Sakura only, right? Why do these trolls look for NS specific fics just to do something like this? That's some ugly stuff.

[Luna]

Seeing something like that depresses me. I assume your fanfic is categorized Naruto and Sakura only, right? Why do these trolls look for NS specific fics just to do something like this? That's some ugly stuff.

It is categorized like that and the thing is they always does it as a guest. :(

[ultranx]

Not really. Sasuke was way too interested in apologizing to Sakura, but what about Kakashi? He put him through hell, too. He tried to kill him, too.

true, good point, I think the only other possibility for me then is if either the naruto vs sasuke fight is a genjutsu illusion or some part of it is, or here's a wild one, we're imagining a genjutsu torture of sakura and that the theory about her being caught in an IT by sasuke is spot on

[unhskikrforever]

Seems like they updated the album. We have some lurkers here. LOL.

 

http://imgur.com/a/XKwJ4/all